Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccination.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions! Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. RimaOn Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1@...> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. " We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights, " Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is " the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, " and she later lamented " the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all. " Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. " The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth, " she said. " They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent. " The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, " warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent, " Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as " screening " requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would " include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions. " Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. " Fortunately, " he said at the time, " some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs... " His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in " relevant technologies, " and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, " researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors. " " This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer, " she said. " It's also about behavioral issues. " " In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals, " she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. " If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large, " Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. " You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society. " The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen " as a step towards a police state. " But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. " Not all research is great, " she said. " There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives. " It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. " It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice, " she said. " People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are. " Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. " This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's, " she said. " It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government. " Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. " It's like they're collecting information on the whole family, " she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts " every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods... " Further, every individual should share information about " personal and family health histories " as well as " gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism " with the " other parent of their future children. " Still further, it seeks " ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness. " " They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child, " Brase said. " They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. " Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles, " she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, " We don't want your expensive children, " she said. " I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics, " she said. " This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening, " she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccination.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions! Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. RimaOn Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1@...> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. " We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights, " Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is " the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, " and she later lamented " the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all. " Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. " The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth, " she said. " They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent. " The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, " warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent, " Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as " screening " requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would " include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions. " Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. " Fortunately, " he said at the time, " some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs... " His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in " relevant technologies, " and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, " researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors. " " This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer, " she said. " It's also about behavioral issues. " " In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals, " she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. " If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large, " Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. " You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society. " The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen " as a step towards a police state. " But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. " Not all research is great, " she said. " There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives. " It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. " It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice, " she said. " People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are. " Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. " This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's, " she said. " It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government. " Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. " It's like they're collecting information on the whole family, " she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts " every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods... " Further, every individual should share information about " personal and family health histories " as well as " gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism " with the " other parent of their future children. " Still further, it seeks " ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness. " " They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child, " Brase said. " They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. " Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles, " she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, " We don't want your expensive children, " she said. " I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics, " she said. " This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening, " she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Please provide link to "Say No to GMO" -- thanks. Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccinatio n.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions!Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnet daily.com/ index.php? fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. "We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights," Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is "the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems," and she later lamented "the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. "The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth," she said. "They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent." The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, "warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent," Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as "screening" requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would "include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions." Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. "Fortunately," he said at the time, "some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs..." His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in "relevant technologies," and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, "researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors." "This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer," she said. "It's also about behavioral issues." "In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals," she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. "If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large," Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. "You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society." The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen "as a step towards a police state." But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. "Not all research is great," she said. "There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives." It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. "It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice," she said. "People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are." Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. "This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's," she said. "It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government." Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. "It's like they're collecting information on the whole family," she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts "every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods..." Further, every individual should share information about "personal and family health histories" as well as "gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism" with the "other parent of their future children." Still further, it seeks "ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness." "They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child," Brase said. "They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. "Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles," she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, "We don't want your expensive children," she said. "I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics," she said. "This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening," she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Please provide link to "Say No to GMO" -- thanks. Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccinatio n.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions!Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnet daily.com/ index.php? fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. "We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights," Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is "the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems," and she later lamented "the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. "The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth," she said. "They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent." The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, "warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent," Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as "screening" requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would "include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions." Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. "Fortunately," he said at the time, "some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs..." His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in "relevant technologies," and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, "researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors." "This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer," she said. "It's also about behavioral issues." "In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals," she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. "If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large," Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. "You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society." The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen "as a step towards a police state." But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. "Not all research is great," she said. "There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives." It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. "It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice," she said. "People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are." Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. "This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's," she said. "It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government." Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. "It's like they're collecting information on the whole family," she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts "every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods..." Further, every individual should share information about "personal and family health histories" as well as "gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism" with the "other parent of their future children." Still further, it seeks "ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness." "They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child," Brase said. "They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. "Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles," she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, "We don't want your expensive children," she said. "I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics," she said. "This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening," she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Heaven Help Us!! I know that MN is ahead in some areas (First in the Nation to ban Mercury from cosmetics!!); but I also know that in recent years it has become very "lemming-like." I will contact those withing the state, with whom I network, informing them of this ghastly situation. Thank you for alerting me to this. ~~Ruth Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. "We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights," Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is "the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems," and she later lamented "the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. "The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth," she said. "They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent." The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, "warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent," Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as "screening" requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would "include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions." Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. "Fortunately," he said at the time, "some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs..." His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in "relevant technologies," and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, "researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors." "This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer," she said. "It's also about behavioral issues." "In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals," she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. "If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large," Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. "You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society." The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen "as a step towards a police state." But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. "Not all research is great," she said. "There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives." It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. "It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice," she said. "People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are." Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. "This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's," she said. "It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government." Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. "It's like they're collecting information on the whole family," she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts "every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods..." Further, every individual should share information about "personal and family health histories" as well as "gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism" with the "other parent of their future children." Still further, it seeks "ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness." "They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child," Brase said. "They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. "Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles," she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, "We don't want your expensive children," she said. "I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics," she said. "This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening," she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Heaven Help Us!! I know that MN is ahead in some areas (First in the Nation to ban Mercury from cosmetics!!); but I also know that in recent years it has become very "lemming-like." I will contact those withing the state, with whom I network, informing them of this ghastly situation. Thank you for alerting me to this. ~~Ruth Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. "We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights," Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is "the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems," and she later lamented "the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. "The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth," she said. "They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent." The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, "warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent," Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as "screening" requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would "include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions." Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. "Fortunately," he said at the time, "some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs..." His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in "relevant technologies," and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, "researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors." "This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer," she said. "It's also about behavioral issues." "In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals," she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. "If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large," Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. "You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society." The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen "as a step towards a police state." But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. "Not all research is great," she said. "There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives." It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. "It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice," she said. "People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are." Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. "This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's," she said. "It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government." Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. "It's like they're collecting information on the whole family," she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts "every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods..." Further, every individual should share information about "personal and family health histories" as well as "gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism" with the "other parent of their future children." Still further, it seeks "ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness." "They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child," Brase said. "They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. "Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles," she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, "We don't want your expensive children," she said. "I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics," she said. "This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening," she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Oops! Sorry!no-genetically-modified-foods/joinYours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote: Please provide link to " Say No to GMO " -- thanks. Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccinatio n.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions! Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnet daily.com/ index.php? fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. " We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights, " Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is " the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, " and she later lamented " the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all. " Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. " The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth, " she said. " They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent. " The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, " warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent, " Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as " screening " requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would " include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions. " Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. " Fortunately, " he said at the time, " some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs... " His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in " relevant technologies, " and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, " researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors. " " This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer, " she said. " It's also about behavioral issues. " " In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals, " she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. " If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large, " Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. " You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society. " The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen " as a step towards a police state. " But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. " Not all research is great, " she said. " There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives. " It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. " It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice, " she said. " People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are. " Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. " This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's, " she said. " It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government. " Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. " It's like they're collecting information on the whole family, " she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts " every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods... " Further, every individual should share information about " personal and family health histories " as well as " gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism " with the " other parent of their future children. " Still further, it seeks " ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness. " " They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child, " Brase said. " They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. " Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles, " she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, " We don't want your expensive children, " she said. " I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics, " she said. " This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening, " she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Oops! Sorry!no-genetically-modified-foods/joinYours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote: Please provide link to " Say No to GMO " -- thanks. Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccinatio n.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions! Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnet daily.com/ index.php? fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. " We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights, " Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is " the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, " and she later lamented " the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all. " Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. " The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth, " she said. " They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent. " The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, " warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent, " Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as " screening " requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would " include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions. " Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. " Fortunately, " he said at the time, " some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs... " His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in " relevant technologies, " and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, " researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors. " " This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer, " she said. " It's also about behavioral issues. " " In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals, " she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. " If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large, " Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. " You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society. " The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen " as a step towards a police state. " But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. " Not all research is great, " she said. " There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives. " It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. " It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice, " she said. " People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are. " Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. " This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's, " she said. " It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government. " Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. " It's like they're collecting information on the whole family, " she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts " every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods... " Further, every individual should share information about " personal and family health histories " as well as " gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism " with the " other parent of their future children. " Still further, it seeks " ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness. " " They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child, " Brase said. " They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. " Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles, " she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, " We don't want your expensive children, " she said. " I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics, " she said. " This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening, " she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Oops! Sorry!no-genetically-modified-foods/joinYours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote: Please provide link to " Say No to GMO " -- thanks. Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccinatio n.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions! Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnet daily.com/ index.php? fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. " We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights, " Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is " the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, " and she later lamented " the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all. " Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. " The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth, " she said. " They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent. " The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, " warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent, " Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as " screening " requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would " include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions. " Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. " Fortunately, " he said at the time, " some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs... " His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in " relevant technologies, " and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, " researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors. " " This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer, " she said. " It's also about behavioral issues. " " In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals, " she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. " If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large, " Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. " You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society. " The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen " as a step towards a police state. " But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. " Not all research is great, " she said. " There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives. " It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. " It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice, " she said. " People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are. " Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. " This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's, " she said. " It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government. " Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. " It's like they're collecting information on the whole family, " she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts " every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods... " Further, every individual should share information about " personal and family health histories " as well as " gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism " with the " other parent of their future children. " Still further, it seeks " ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness. " " They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child, " Brase said. " They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. " Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles, " she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, " We don't want your expensive children, " she said. " I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics, " she said. " This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening, " she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Oops! Sorry!no-genetically-modified-foods/joinYours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote: Please provide link to " Say No to GMO " -- thanks. Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA Great post, Ingrid.Could you please post this on the Say NO! to GMO Forum as well? This is at the interface of GM and Forced drugging/vaccinatio n.Brave New World, indeed.A question for the members of this post (now over 450 strong): are you all on the distribution list of the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom eAlerts? And have you put some considerable effort into getting everyone you know on that distribution list as well? The most important tool we have is our collective voice and the way to make that loud and effective is to have eveyone who cares about any of these issues for any reason whatsoever on the list so that we can roar when we need to in the ears of decision makers and create a grass roots movement of huge proportions! Thanks for your activism.Yours in health and freedom,Dr. Rima On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 3:22 AM, Ingrid Blank <enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote: See Minn Stat 144.651-this is also wrongul taking under the 5th Amend & illegal taking w/o a warrant based on probable cause-is this the type of gov't YOU trust http://www.worldnet daily.com/ index.php? fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA'We now are considered guinea pigs, instead of human beings with rights' April 03, 2008 By Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily An Orwellian plan that has state and federal governments staking claim to the ownership of every newborn's DNA in perpetuity is advancing under the radar of most privacy rights activists, but would turn the United States' citizenry into a huge pool of subjects for involuntary scientific experimentation, according to one organization alarmed over the issue. " We now are considered guinea pigs, as opposed to human beings with rights, " Twila Brase, president of the the Citizens' Council on Health Care, a Minnesota-based organization familiar with the progress in that state. She warned ultimately, such DNA databases could spark the next wave of demands for eugenics, the concept of improving the human race through the control of various inherited traits. Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, advocated for eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is " the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems, " and she later lamented " the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all. " Lawmakers in Minnesota recently endorsed a proposal that would exempt stockpiles of DNA information already being collected from every newborn there from any sort of consent requirements, meaning researchers could utilize the DNA of more than 780,000 Minnesota children for any sort of research project whatsover, Brase said. " The Senate just voted to strip citizens of parental rights, privacy rights, patient rights and DNA property rights. They voted to make every citizen a research subject of the state government, starting at birth, " she said. " They voted to let the government create genetic profiles of every citizen without their consent. " The result will be that every newborn's DNA will be collected at birth, " warehoused in a state genomic biobank, and given away to genetic researchers without parent consent - or in adulthood, without the individual's consent. Already, the health department reports that 42, 210 children have been subjected to genetic research without their consent, " Brase told WND. She said although her organization works with Minnesota issues, similar laws or rules and regulations already are in use pretty much all across the nation. The National Conference of State Legislatures, in fact, lists for all 50 states as well as the District of Columbia the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns' DNA is being collected. Such programs are offered as " screening " requirements to detect treatable illnesses. They vary as to exactly what tests are done but the Health Resources and Services Administration has requested a report that would " include a recommendation for a uniform panel of conditions. " Further, Sen. Dodd, D-Conn., is on record proposing a plan that would turn the program into a consolidated nationwide effort. " Fortunately, " he said at the time, " some newborn screening occurs in every state but fewer than half of the states, including Connecticut, actually tests for all disorders that are detectable. ... This legislation will provide resources for states to expand their newborn screening programs... " His plan specifically would provide millions of dollars for educating and training health care professionals in " relevant technologies, " and set up standards for updating tests and maintaining the quality of test results. So what's the big deal about looking into DNA to hunt for various disease possibilities? Nothing, said Brase, if that's where the hunt would end. However, she said, " researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors. " " This isn't just about diabetes, asthma and cancer, " she said. " It's also about behavioral issues. " " In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals, " she said. In fact, published reports in the United Kingdom note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age five. " If we have a primary means of identifying people before they offend, then in the long-term the benefits of targeting younger people are extremely large, " Pugh, director of forensics at Scotland Yard, was quoted saying. " You could argue the younger the better. Criminologists say some people will grow out of crime; others won't. We have to find who are possibly going to be the biggest threat to society. " The United Kingdom database already has 4.5 million genetic samples and reportedly is the largest in Europe, but activists want to expand it. Pugh said that it is not possible right now to demand everyone provide a DNA sample, but only because of the costs and logistics. One published report cited the Institute for Public Policy Research, which is suggesting children from 5-12 in the United Kingdom be targeted with cognitive behavioral therapy and Pugh has suggested adding the children in primary schools, even if they have not offended, to the database. There, of the National Primary Headteachers' Association warned the move could be seen " as a step towards a police state. " But Pugh said the UK's annual cost of $26 billion from violent crime makes it well worth the effort. Brase said such efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered. " Not all research is great, " she said. " There is research that is highly objectionable into the genetic propensities of an individual. Not all research should be hailed as wonderful initiatives. " It can identify some tendencies for potential problems, and that is one of its downfalls, she said. " It lends itself to be the beginning of discrimination and prejudice, " she said. " People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are. " Further, the invasion of privacy is huge. DNA is the most intimate identifier that exists, she said. " This, however, says our DNA is not ours but the government's, " she said. " It says our values, our ethics, belief systems have to be [subjected] to the interests of the government. " Right now various states obtain DNA under different plans, and keep the information for varying time periods. In Minnesota, the legislature is working on legal authorization for the state government to take it without consent, keep it forever, and use it for whatever purposes the state desires - all without obtaining consent or even letting people know. A mandatory sample of a newborn's DNA also pulls back the veil on information about the parents as well, Brase told WND. " It's like they're collecting information on the whole family, " she said. The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates for more screening and research. It proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts " every student ... with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods... " Further, every individual should share information about " personal and family health histories " as well as " gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism " with the " other parent of their future children. " Still further, it seeks " ecogenetic research that could improve health, lessen disability, and lower costs for sickness. " " They want to test every child for 200 conditions, take the child's history and a brain image, and genetics, and come up with a plan for that child, " Brase said. " They want to learn their weaknesses and defects. " Nobody including and especially the government should be allowed to create such extensive profiles, " she said. The next step is obvious: The government, with information about potential health weaknesses, could say to couples, " We don't want your expensive children, " she said. " I think people have forgotten about eugenics, the fact of the matter is that the eugenicists have not gone away. Newborn genetic testing is the entry into the 21st Century version of eugenics, " she said. " This is in every state, but nobody is talking about it. Parents have no idea this is happening, " she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? WOW!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? WOW!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Listen to he was talking about this last week. infowars.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Soneile <elienos@...> wrote: I wish there were references to some of the information in this article. Does anyone know where to get more information or where I can find where this person got their information? __________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Listen to he was talking about this last week. infowars.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Soneile <elienos@...> wrote: I wish there were references to some of the information in this article. Does anyone know where to get more information or where I can find where this person got their information? __________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Listen to he was talking about this last week. infowars.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Soneile <elienos@...> wrote: I wish there were references to some of the information in this article. Does anyone know where to get more information or where I can find where this person got their information? __________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Government stakes claim to every newborn's DNA http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view & pageId=60643 Listen to he was talking about this last week. infowars.com On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Soneile <elienos@...> wrote: I wish there were references to some of the information in this article. Does anyone know where to get more information or where I can find where this person got their information? __________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi Jo That was a long film but admit i watched it all and really it confirmed to me that the path that I am following is correct that is Kundalini Yoga tricia no-forced-vaccination From: jocanas@...Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:24:26 -0700Subject: Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? WOW!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! A prize an hour, 24 hours a day. Try Big Snap now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi Jo That was a long film but admit i watched it all and really it confirmed to me that the path that I am following is correct that is Kundalini Yoga tricia no-forced-vaccination From: jocanas@...Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:24:26 -0700Subject: Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? WOW!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! A prize an hour, 24 hours a day. Try Big Snap now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi Jo That was a long film but admit i watched it all and really it confirmed to me that the path that I am following is correct that is Kundalini Yoga tricia no-forced-vaccination From: jocanas@...Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:24:26 -0700Subject: Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? WOW!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! A prize an hour, 24 hours a day. Try Big Snap now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi Jo That was a long film but admit i watched it all and really it confirmed to me that the path that I am following is correct that is Kundalini Yoga tricia no-forced-vaccination From: jocanas@...Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:24:26 -0700Subject: Re: Government Stakes Claim To Every Child's DNA HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? WOW!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! A prize an hour, 24 hours a day. Try Big Snap now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? Click on the link you can watch it online. If you watch anything I send.. this is some important stuff.. just be open when you watch this!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! Watch it to the end.. and Make your decision at the END of the SHOW.. Don't make your decision until you watch the whole thing. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! Codex is coming Dec 2009 .. if you are not familiar with this .. You need to watch this! This is very upsetting. I am looking for a group of people to get the word out what our Gov. plans are for the US population.. Any takers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? Click on the link you can watch it online. If you watch anything I send.. this is some important stuff.. just be open when you watch this!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! Watch it to the end.. and Make your decision at the END of the SHOW.. Don't make your decision until you watch the whole thing. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! Codex is coming Dec 2009 .. if you are not familiar with this .. You need to watch this! This is very upsetting. I am looking for a group of people to get the word out what our Gov. plans are for the US population.. Any takers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 HI all, Have you all seen Esoteric Agenda? Click on the link you can watch it online. If you watch anything I send.. this is some important stuff.. just be open when you watch this!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS!! Watch it to the end.. and Make your decision at the END of the SHOW.. Don't make your decision until you watch the whole thing. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1131942400352901009 Talk about Control!! Codex is coming Dec 2009 .. if you are not familiar with this .. You need to watch this! This is very upsetting. I am looking for a group of people to get the word out what our Gov. plans are for the US population.. Any takers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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