Re: First Strike questions

>From: "Joy"

>Reply-SSRI medications >"SSRI Crusaders"

>Subject: First Strike questions >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:54:19 -0600 > >Hi all, > >From the bowels (and I do mean bowels) of McHenry County Illinois, this >humble host bids you Welcome! The focus of this e-mail will be what little >I can remember from the Numerous posts it has taken me 4 hours to wade >through. Enjoy! > >Boy, this list can get a lot of posts. When I got back from downstate I had >297 posts to go through, whew. Lots of good information though! :-) > >Tim, how close are we to the strike? I will be adding the entries from the >last few weeks to my signature file(s) tomorrow. > >In regards to Steve having taken Nyquil or something along those lines, drug >interaction may not have been the same since the cold/flu medications >changed. There was a drug taken out of all these meds not long ago due to >deaths, unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the drug due to my own >SSRI/health problems. gggrrr. If he did take any of the meds it should be >noted if that drug was still in them, I believe it to have been more of a >problem. I hope this helps. > >With my current health problems I have found over the counter drugs to >interact with any drug they put me on and I have been told not to take ANY >without consulting the doc or pharmacist. > >Suffice to say from some of the web pages posted here I found that all the >drugs I have taken since leaving Prozac behind can be potential problems and >my system being down as far as it is those problems find me rather easily. >*shrug* > >Now let me tell y'all a story 'bout a middle aged gal trying to find help in >these here parts and on Medicaid. > >As I have not been in this part of Northern Illinois long my trip downstate >was to try and see my adult lifelong doctor. (Have to go back in April for >an annual, boy is he busy.) Before I left for the trip I had copies of my >entire medical file made to take down with me. From the clinic where I >see/saw all but one of the docs trying to find out what is really wrong with >me, Found some quite interesting facts on how diligent (yeah right) some >docs can be. > >I was born legally blind (with only 12% vision) and use a seeing eye dog. >(Some of you will remember my talking about 'Nari the Wonder Dog' and our >adventures in the big city of Chicago.) My second 'General Practitioner' up >here noted that the 40 year old, white, depressed female complaining of >chronic pain, came to her visit with her 'significant other' (I assume that >to be ) and her 'family pet' (that must be Nari, or the other way >around. *g*) FAMILY PET, what a 'moron', what facility would let me in >with a 'pet'. Hell I had one doc, a GI, order me not to take the dog in the >exam room even though he knew what the dog was for. And asked that I not >bring the dog even into the waiting room on my next visit. Suffice to say, >I promptly left that pr(bleep)ks office immediately. > >The observant GA then proceeded, after 2 visits and no physical contact with >me what so ever, to diagnose me with Fibromyalgia. And btw, he also said I >had a normal heartbeat but diminished breath sounds. Like I said he never >touched me, stethoscope or otherwise. The 'diminished breath sounds' must >have come from the fact that I told him I still smoke. > >Then comes the rheumatologist I was referred to for FMS. Quite >knowledgeable, did do a physical exam of me, prescribed drugs for FMS but >did not want to 'go on record' that I actually had it. He felt FMS was >being used as a 'catch all' disease for chronic pain. Even though I don't >show signs of arthritis and do have most all the symptoms for FMS. >GGGGGGEEEEEZZZZZ!!! What am I supposed to think now? > >So, long story short, I'm going back to a doc I know to be good and start >the diagnosis all over again. Having been on disability for 2 years now I >finally qualify for Medicare and don't have to pay the $667 spend down per >month for the d(bleep)mned Medicaid. (Yep another 'sufficed'.) Sufficed to >say I didn't qualify for any medical care most of the time and am still >trying to pay for what I did get. > >BTW, if anyone knows of any pools in McHenry County Illinois, besides the >overpriced YMCA in Crystal Lake, I would surely appreciate it. That is the >Only one I have found in the county. Swimming and water aerobics have been >the only real relief I have found. > >Just ranting again, have been in a lot of pain today. Thanks for listening. > >I would also like to state that since I have been on these lists (some 9 >months now) I have seen quite a bit of good information being passed along >and great improvement in sites dedicated to these problems. It seems the >crusaders ARE making a difference and helping to spread the much needed >word. As I cannot do much to help in my present condition I am very >grateful for all of you! > >Much Love and Many Hugs, >Joy > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

February 9, 2002

Hi Joy!

Great to have you back! As far as the "First Strike", it begins this very week, however, don't go gung ho on collecting any more addresses from the signatures just yet... have you taken a look? All the signatures are gone...yep! Can you believe it? One of our most powerful weapons... gone. I'm just hoping it is due to some technical difficulty at their end, as I noticed the signatures are now also missing on the Effexor petition, yet there were 57 as of this morning. I haven't yet checked the Paxil petition to see if the petitions are intact or not. Anyway, I have written to Owens - the guy who handles questions directed to their support line, so hopefully we'll hear something soon. We need that petition available for public viewing with signatures intact by Monday!

Can you help me with something else, though? I've been notified by a couple of the group members that receive the daily digest mode that my messages are not coming through in that format. I'm not sure why, but Lynn N sent me a copy of her daily digest, and messages posted by everyone else showed up, but mine can't be read. Do you know if this is something that I need to correct from my end, or could this be a problem originating from ? I usually send messages to the Crusaders from my MSN mail account, but I failed to check to see if any of those messages which I wrote came from my mail. Hope this is making sense to you. Anyway, I did keep a copy of Lynn's message to me, so I could forward it to you, if you need to see how the daily digest messages are coming through.

If you need any more information on the strike, let me know -I've got a file with all the details outlined. Take care now.

The Avenging Angel

Please sign the petitions at

>From: "Joy"

>Reply-SSRI medications >"SSRI Crusaders"

>Subject: First Strike questions >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:54:19 -0600 > >Hi all, > >From the bowels (and I do mean bowels) of McHenry County Illinois, this >humble host bids you Welcome! The focus of this e-mail will be what little >I can remember from the Numerous posts it has taken me 4 hours to wade >through. Enjoy! > >Boy, this list can get a lot of posts. When I got back from downstate I had >297 posts to go through, whew. Lots of good information though! :-) > >Tim, how close are we to the strike? I will be adding the entries from the >last few weeks to my signature file(s) tomorrow. > >In regards to Steve having taken Nyquil or something along those lines, drug >interaction may not have been the same since the cold/flu medications >changed. There was a drug taken out of all these meds not long ago due to >deaths, unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the drug due to my own >SSRI/health problems. gggrrr. If he did take any of the meds it should be >noted if that drug was still in them, I believe it to have been more of a >problem. I hope this helps. > >With my current health problems I have found over the counter drugs to >interact with any drug they put me on and I have been told not to take ANY >without consulting the doc or pharmacist. > >Suffice to say from some of the web pages posted here I found that all the >drugs I have taken since leaving Prozac behind can be potential problems and >my system being down as far as it is those problems find me rather easily. >*shrug* > >Now let me tell y'all a story 'bout a middle aged gal trying to find help in >these here parts and on Medicaid. > >As I have not been in this part of Northern Illinois long my trip downstate >was to try and see my adult lifelong doctor. (Have to go back in April for >an annual, boy is he busy.) Before I left for the trip I had copies of my >entire medical file made to take down with me. From the clinic where I >see/saw all but one of the docs trying to find out what is really wrong with >me, Found some quite interesting facts on how diligent (yeah right) some >docs can be. > >I was born legally blind (with only 12% vision) and use a seeing eye dog. >(Some of you will remember my talking about 'Nari the Wonder Dog' and our >adventures in the big city of Chicago.) My second 'General Practitioner' up >here noted that the 40 year old, white, depressed female complaining of >chronic pain, came to her visit with her 'significant other' (I assume that >to be ) and her 'family pet' (that must be Nari, or the other way >around. *g*) FAMILY PET, what a 'moron', what facility would let me in >with a 'pet'. Hell I had one doc, a GI, order me not to take the dog in the >exam room even though he knew what the dog was for. And asked that I not >bring the dog even into the waiting room on my next visit. Suffice to say, >I promptly left that pr(bleep)ks office immediately. > >The observant GA then proceeded, after 2 visits and no physical contact with >me what so ever, to diagnose me with Fibromyalgia. And btw, he also said I >had a normal heartbeat but diminished breath sounds. Like I said he never >touched me, stethoscope or otherwise. The 'diminished breath sounds' must >have come from the fact that I told him I still smoke. > >Then comes the rheumatologist I was referred to for FMS. Quite >knowledgeable, did do a physical exam of me, prescribed drugs for FMS but >did not want to 'go on record' that I actually had it. He felt FMS was >being used as a 'catch all' disease for chronic pain. Even though I don't >show signs of arthritis and do have most all the symptoms for FMS. >GGGGGGEEEEEZZZZZ!!! What am I supposed to think now? > >So, long story short, I'm going back to a doc I know to be good and start >the diagnosis all over again. Having been on disability for 2 years now I >finally qualify for Medicare and don't have to pay the $667 spend down per >month for the d(bleep)mned Medicaid. (Yep another 'sufficed'.) Sufficed to >say I didn't qualify for any medical care most of the time and am still >trying to pay for what I did get. > >BTW, if anyone knows of any pools in McHenry County Illinois, besides the >overpriced YMCA in Crystal Lake, I would surely appreciate it. That is the >Only one I have found in the county. Swimming and water aerobics have been >the only real relief I have found. > >Just ranting again, have been in a lot of pain today. Thanks for listening. > >I would also like to state that since I have been on these lists (some 9 >months now) I have seen quite a bit of good information being passed along >and great improvement in sites dedicated to these problems. It seems the >crusaders ARE making a difference and helping to spread the much needed >word. As I cannot do much to help in my present condition I am very >grateful for all of you! > >Much Love and Many Hugs, >Joy > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

February 9, 2002

Hi Joy!

Great to have you back! As far as the "First Strike", it begins this very week, however, don't go gung ho on collecting any more addresses from the signatures just yet... have you taken a look? All the signatures are gone...yep! Can you believe it? One of our most powerful weapons... gone. I'm just hoping it is due to some technical difficulty at their end, as I noticed the signatures are now also missing on the Effexor petition, yet there were 57 as of this morning. I haven't yet checked the Paxil petition to see if the petitions are intact or not. Anyway, I have written to Owens - the guy who handles questions directed to their support line, so hopefully we'll hear something soon. We need that petition available for public viewing with signatures intact by Monday!

Can you help me with something else, though? I've been notified by a couple of the group members that receive the daily digest mode that my messages are not coming through in that format. I'm not sure why, but Lynn N sent me a copy of her daily digest, and messages posted by everyone else showed up, but mine can't be read. Do you know if this is something that I need to correct from my end, or could this be a problem originating from ? I usually send messages to the Crusaders from my MSN mail account, but I failed to check to see if any of those messages which I wrote came from my mail. Hope this is making sense to you. Anyway, I did keep a copy of Lynn's message to me, so I could forward it to you, if you need to see how the daily digest messages are coming through.

If you need any more information on the strike, let me know -I've got a file with all the details outlined. Take care now.

The Avenging Angel

Please sign the petitions at

>From: "Joy"

>Reply-SSRI medications >"SSRI Crusaders"

>Subject: First Strike questions >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:54:19 -0600 > >Hi all, > >From the bowels (and I do mean bowels) of McHenry County Illinois, this >humble host bids you Welcome! The focus of this e-mail will be what little >I can remember from the Numerous posts it has taken me 4 hours to wade >through. Enjoy! > >Boy, this list can get a lot of posts. When I got back from downstate I had >297 posts to go through, whew. Lots of good information though! :-) > >Tim, how close are we to the strike? I will be adding the entries from the >last few weeks to my signature file(s) tomorrow. > >In regards to Steve having taken Nyquil or something along those lines, drug >interaction may not have been the same since the cold/flu medications >changed. There was a drug taken out of all these meds not long ago due to >deaths, unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the drug due to my own >SSRI/health problems. gggrrr. If he did take any of the meds it should be >noted if that drug was still in them, I believe it to have been more of a >problem. I hope this helps. > >With my current health problems I have found over the counter drugs to >interact with any drug they put me on and I have been told not to take ANY >without consulting the doc or pharmacist. > >Suffice to say from some of the web pages posted here I found that all the >drugs I have taken since leaving Prozac behind can be potential problems and >my system being down as far as it is those problems find me rather easily. >*shrug* > >Now let me tell y'all a story 'bout a middle aged gal trying to find help in >these here parts and on Medicaid. > >As I have not been in this part of Northern Illinois long my trip downstate >was to try and see my adult lifelong doctor. (Have to go back in April for >an annual, boy is he busy.) Before I left for the trip I had copies of my >entire medical file made to take down with me. From the clinic where I >see/saw all but one of the docs trying to find out what is really wrong with >me, Found some quite interesting facts on how diligent (yeah right) some >docs can be. > >I was born legally blind (with only 12% vision) and use a seeing eye dog. >(Some of you will remember my talking about 'Nari the Wonder Dog' and our >adventures in the big city of Chicago.) My second 'General Practitioner' up >here noted that the 40 year old, white, depressed female complaining of >chronic pain, came to her visit with her 'significant other' (I assume that >to be ) and her 'family pet' (that must be Nari, or the other way >around. *g*) FAMILY PET, what a 'moron', what facility would let me in >with a 'pet'. Hell I had one doc, a GI, order me not to take the dog in the >exam room even though he knew what the dog was for. And asked that I not >bring the dog even into the waiting room on my next visit. Suffice to say, >I promptly left that pr(bleep)ks office immediately. > >The observant GA then proceeded, after 2 visits and no physical contact with >me what so ever, to diagnose me with Fibromyalgia. And btw, he also said I >had a normal heartbeat but diminished breath sounds. Like I said he never >touched me, stethoscope or otherwise. The 'diminished breath sounds' must >have come from the fact that I told him I still smoke. > >Then comes the rheumatologist I was referred to for FMS. Quite >knowledgeable, did do a physical exam of me, prescribed drugs for FMS but >did not want to 'go on record' that I actually had it. He felt FMS was >being used as a 'catch all' disease for chronic pain. Even though I don't >show signs of arthritis and do have most all the symptoms for FMS. >GGGGGGEEEEEZZZZZ!!! What am I supposed to think now? > >So, long story short, I'm going back to a doc I know to be good and start >the diagnosis all over again. Having been on disability for 2 years now I >finally qualify for Medicare and don't have to pay the $667 spend down per >month for the d(bleep)mned Medicaid. (Yep another 'sufficed'.) Sufficed to >say I didn't qualify for any medical care most of the time and am still >trying to pay for what I did get. > >BTW, if anyone knows of any pools in McHenry County Illinois, besides the >overpriced YMCA in Crystal Lake, I would surely appreciate it. That is the >Only one I have found in the county. Swimming and water aerobics have been >the only real relief I have found. > >Just ranting again, have been in a lot of pain today. Thanks for listening. > >I would also like to state that since I have been on these lists (some 9 >months now) I have seen quite a bit of good information being passed along >and great improvement in sites dedicated to these problems. It seems the >crusaders ARE making a difference and helping to spread the much needed >word. As I cannot do much to help in my present condition I am very >grateful for all of you! > >Much Love and Many Hugs, >Joy > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here

February 9, 2002

Hi Joy!

Great to have you back! As far as the "First Strike", it begins this very week, however, don't go gung ho on collecting any more addresses from the signatures just yet... have you taken a look? All the signatures are gone...yep! Can you believe it? One of our most powerful weapons... gone. I'm just hoping it is due to some technical difficulty at their end, as I noticed the signatures are now also missing on the Effexor petition, yet there were 57 as of this morning. I haven't yet checked the Paxil petition to see if the petitions are intact or not. Anyway, I have written to Owens - the guy who handles questions directed to their support line, so hopefully we'll hear something soon. We need that petition available for public viewing with signatures intact by Monday!

Can you help me with something else, though? I've been notified by a couple of the group members that receive the daily digest mode that my messages are not coming through in that format. I'm not sure why, but Lynn N sent me a copy of her daily digest, and messages posted by everyone else showed up, but mine can't be read. Do you know if this is something that I need to correct from my end, or could this be a problem originating from ? I usually send messages to the Crusaders from my MSN mail account, but I failed to check to see if any of those messages which I wrote came from my mail. Hope this is making sense to you. Anyway, I did keep a copy of Lynn's message to me, so I could forward it to you, if you need to see how the daily digest messages are coming through.

If you need any more information on the strike, let me know -I've got a file with all the details outlined. Take care now.

The Avenging Angel

Please sign the petitions at