Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it wouldn't link. There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and distributing it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the early developers of S SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri crusaders . Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was threatening not to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after having a heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT daily at approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at Northside Hospital who released her in 24 hours. Thank you, Dr. Lance, D.C. [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against the CIA in the 1980s. Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University Medical School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as follows: " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged verbal signal. (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial sensory isolation. (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the patient, after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the experiments. Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government into an active and hostile opponent. In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney said, " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right around their necks. " This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . The result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page brief concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee has investigated the lawyers who did it. The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical records, the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government investigation. The " Report " was a complete whitewash. What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, threatening even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " Report " became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same psychiatrists who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash were the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an associate in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Dr. Ewen Cameron (1901-1967) President of the: a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association c.. American Psychiatric Association d.. World Psychiatric Association e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts (1936) b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School (1938) c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal (1943) e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' Hospital, Albany (1964) Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ Nuremberg Tribunal Member Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible for Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical ethics. Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it wouldn't link. There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and distributing it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the early developers of S SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri crusaders . Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was threatening not to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after having a heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT daily at approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at Northside Hospital who released her in 24 hours. Thank you, Dr. Lance, D.C. [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against the CIA in the 1980s. Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University Medical School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as follows: " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged verbal signal. (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial sensory isolation. (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the patient, after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the experiments. Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government into an active and hostile opponent. In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney said, " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right around their necks. " This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . The result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page brief concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee has investigated the lawyers who did it. The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical records, the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government investigation. The " Report " was a complete whitewash. What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, threatening even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " Report " became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same psychiatrists who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash were the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an associate in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Dr. Ewen Cameron (1901-1967) President of the: a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association c.. American Psychiatric Association d.. World Psychiatric Association e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts (1936) b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School (1938) c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal (1943) e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' Hospital, Albany (1964) Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ Nuremberg Tribunal Member Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible for Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical ethics. Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Dr. Lance, you need to write a book about your mother's tragic murder and your horrific experiences! > Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it wouldn't > link. > There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and distributing > it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their > protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the early > developers of S > SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). > > We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri crusaders > . > Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was threatening not > to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " > objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after having a > heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT daily at > approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. > I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at Northside > Hospital who released her in 24 hours. > > Thank you, > > Dr. Lance, D.C. > > [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Dr. Lance, you need to write a book about your mother's tragic murder and your horrific experiences! > Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it wouldn't > link. > There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and distributing > it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their > protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the early > developers of S > SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). > > We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri crusaders > . > Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was threatening not > to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " > objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after having a > heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT daily at > approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. > I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at Northside > Hospital who released her in 24 hours. > > Thank you, > > Dr. Lance, D.C. > > [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Dr. Lance, you need to write a book about your mother's tragic murder and your horrific experiences! > Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it wouldn't > link. > There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and distributing > it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their > protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the early > developers of S > SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). > > We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri crusaders > . > Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was threatening not > to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " > objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after having a > heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT daily at > approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. > I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at Northside > Hospital who released her in 24 hours. > > Thank you, > > Dr. Lance, D.C. > > [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Dr. Lance, you need to write a book about your mother's tragic murder and your horrific experiences! > Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it wouldn't > link. > There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and distributing > it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their > protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the early > developers of S > SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). > > We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri crusaders > . > Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was threatening not > to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " > objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after having a > heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT daily at > approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. > I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at Northside > Hospital who released her in 24 hours. > > Thank you, > > Dr. Lance, D.C. > > [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 , I fully understand and empathize with your mother's situation. You did a great thing keeping your mother from the ECT. Many psych's make a ton of money with elderly and ECT. Once you buy the machine it's just a little current to pay for and they can cash in with Medicare/medicaid. I see this kind of situation way more than I would like (which would be never). At least medicare stopped paying for multiple shocks last year. Sounds like a lot of work of cleaning up down there in my home state of Alabama. Jim [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against > the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government > into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney > said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . > The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page > brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " > Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash > were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible > for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 , I fully understand and empathize with your mother's situation. You did a great thing keeping your mother from the ECT. Many psych's make a ton of money with elderly and ECT. Once you buy the machine it's just a little current to pay for and they can cash in with Medicare/medicaid. I see this kind of situation way more than I would like (which would be never). At least medicare stopped paying for multiple shocks last year. Sounds like a lot of work of cleaning up down there in my home state of Alabama. Jim [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against > the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government > into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney > said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . > The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page > brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " > Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash > were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible > for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 , I fully understand and empathize with your mother's situation. You did a great thing keeping your mother from the ECT. Many psych's make a ton of money with elderly and ECT. Once you buy the machine it's just a little current to pay for and they can cash in with Medicare/medicaid. I see this kind of situation way more than I would like (which would be never). At least medicare stopped paying for multiple shocks last year. Sounds like a lot of work of cleaning up down there in my home state of Alabama. Jim [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against > the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government > into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney > said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . > The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page > brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " > Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash > were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible > for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 , I fully understand and empathize with your mother's situation. You did a great thing keeping your mother from the ECT. Many psych's make a ton of money with elderly and ECT. Once you buy the machine it's just a little current to pay for and they can cash in with Medicare/medicaid. I see this kind of situation way more than I would like (which would be never). At least medicare stopped paying for multiple shocks last year. Sounds like a lot of work of cleaning up down there in my home state of Alabama. Jim [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - Got HESS > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated against > the > CIA in the 1980s. > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing experiments as > follows: > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of prearranged > verbal signal. > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in partial > sensory isolation. > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 days. " > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA officials > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for the > experiments. > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the propriety of > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian government > into > an active and hostile opponent. > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA hammered > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. Attorney > said, > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron right > around their necks. " > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government completely > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. To turn > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., . > The > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred page > brief > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red herring. " > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian Justice > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear conflict of > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary committee > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing wrong. > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm to the > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now as the > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the Hague, > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. The > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that the " > Report " > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our case > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the whitewash > were > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against the > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > (1901-1967) > > > > > President of the: > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, Massachussetts > (1936) > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical School > (1938) > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, Montreal > (1943) > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " responsible > for > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save Hess' > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and apologists. > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for medical > ethics. > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and watch > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting WITHOUT > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I'll definitely second that .. and you need to let people know about the abuse and neglect of the mentally ill that goes on in these hospitals! Maybe if you get the time setting up a website where you can pool information from other family members with similar experiences to yours and pertinent news items could also be a great thing. Your story definitely needs to be known. [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - > Got HESS > > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated > against the > > CIA in the 1980s. > > > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing > experiments as > > follows: > > > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of > prearranged > > verbal signal. > > > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in > partial > > sensory isolation. > > > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 > days. " > > > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA > officials > > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for > the > > experiments. > > > > > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the > propriety of > > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian > government into > > an active and hostile opponent. > > > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA > hammered > > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. > Attorney said, > > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron > right > > around their necks. " > > > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government > completely > > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. > To turn > > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., > . The > > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred > page brief > > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red > herring. " > > > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian > Justice > > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear > conflict of > > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary > committee > > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing > wrong. > > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm > to the > > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now > as the > > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the > Hague, > > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. > The > > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that > the " Report " > > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our > case > > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the > whitewash were > > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against > the > > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > > > (1901-1967) > > > > > > > > > > President of the: > > > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, > Massachussetts > > (1936) > > > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical > School > > (1938) > > > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, > Montreal > > (1943) > > > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " > responsible for > > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save > Hess' > > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and > apologists. > > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for > medical > > ethics. > > > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and > watch > > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting > WITHOUT > > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I'll definitely second that .. and you need to let people know about the abuse and neglect of the mentally ill that goes on in these hospitals! Maybe if you get the time setting up a website where you can pool information from other family members with similar experiences to yours and pertinent news items could also be a great thing. Your story definitely needs to be known. [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - > Got HESS > > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated > against the > > CIA in the 1980s. > > > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing > experiments as > > follows: > > > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of > prearranged > > verbal signal. > > > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in > partial > > sensory isolation. > > > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 > days. " > > > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA > officials > > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for > the > > experiments. > > > > > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the > propriety of > > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian > government into > > an active and hostile opponent. > > > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA > hammered > > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. > Attorney said, > > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron > right > > around their necks. " > > > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government > completely > > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. > To turn > > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., > . The > > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred > page brief > > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red > herring. " > > > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian > Justice > > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear > conflict of > > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary > committee > > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing > wrong. > > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm > to the > > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now > as the > > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the > Hague, > > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. > The > > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that > the " Report " > > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our > case > > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the > whitewash were > > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against > the > > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > > > (1901-1967) > > > > > > > > > > President of the: > > > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, > Massachussetts > > (1936) > > > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical > School > > (1938) > > > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, > Montreal > > (1943) > > > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " > responsible for > > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save > Hess' > > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and > apologists. > > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for > medical > > ethics. > > > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and > watch > > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting > WITHOUT > > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I'll definitely second that .. and you need to let people know about the abuse and neglect of the mentally ill that goes on in these hospitals! Maybe if you get the time setting up a website where you can pool information from other family members with similar experiences to yours and pertinent news items could also be a great thing. Your story definitely needs to be known. [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - > Got HESS > > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated > against the > > CIA in the 1980s. > > > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing > experiments as > > follows: > > > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of > prearranged > > verbal signal. > > > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in > partial > > sensory isolation. > > > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 > days. " > > > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA > officials > > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for > the > > experiments. > > > > > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the > propriety of > > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian > government into > > an active and hostile opponent. > > > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA > hammered > > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. > Attorney said, > > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron > right > > around their necks. " > > > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government > completely > > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. > To turn > > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., > . The > > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred > page brief > > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red > herring. " > > > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian > Justice > > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear > conflict of > > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary > committee > > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing > wrong. > > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm > to the > > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now > as the > > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the > Hague, > > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. > The > > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that > the " Report " > > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our > case > > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the > whitewash were > > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against > the > > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > > > (1901-1967) > > > > > > > > > > President of the: > > > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, > Massachussetts > > (1936) > > > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical > School > > (1938) > > > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, > Montreal > > (1943) > > > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " > responsible for > > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save > Hess' > > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and > apologists. > > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for > medical > > ethics. > > > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and > watch > > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting > WITHOUT > > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I'll definitely second that .. and you need to let people know about the abuse and neglect of the mentally ill that goes on in these hospitals! Maybe if you get the time setting up a website where you can pool information from other family members with similar experiences to yours and pertinent news items could also be a great thing. Your story definitely needs to be known. [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - > Got HESS > > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated > against the > > CIA in the 1980s. > > > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > Institute > > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > Medical > > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing > experiments as > > follows: > > > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of > prearranged > > verbal signal. > > > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in > partial > > sensory isolation. > > > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > patient, > > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7-10 > days. " > > > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA > officials > > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for > the > > experiments. > > > > > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the > propriety of > > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian > government into > > an active and hostile opponent. > > > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA > hammered > > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. > Attorney said, > > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron > right > > around their necks. " > > > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government > completely > > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. > To turn > > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., > . The > > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred > page brief > > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red > herring. " > > > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian > Justice > > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear > conflict of > > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary > committee > > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing > wrong. > > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > records, > > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm > to the > > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now > as the > > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > investigation. > > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > threatening > > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the > Hague, > > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. > The > > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that > the " Report " > > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our > case > > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > psychiatrists > > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the > whitewash were > > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > associate > > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against > the > > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > > > (1901-1967) > > > > > > > > > > President of the: > > > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, > Massachussetts > > (1936) > > > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical > School > > (1938) > > > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, > Montreal > > (1943) > > > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > examined > > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " > responsible for > > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save > Hess' > > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and > apologists. > > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for > medical > > ethics. > > > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > ---- > > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and > watch > > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting > WITHOUT > > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 You know, I said in a previous post that 'it's not murder if they make you kill yourself,' but I was being sarcastic. Truth is, maybe it IS MURDER if they make you kill yourself!!!! > > > Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it > > wouldn't > > > link. > > > There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and > > distributing > > > it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their > > > protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the > > early > > > developers of S > > > SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). > > > > > > We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri > > crusaders > > > . > > > Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was > > threatening not > > > to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " > > > objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after > > having a > > > heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT > > daily at > > > approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. > > > I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at > > Northside > > > Hospital who released her in 24 hours. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Dr. Lance, D.C. > > > > > > [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - > > Got HESS > > > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > > > > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated > > against the > > > CIA in the 1980s. > > > > > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > > Institute > > > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > > > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > > Medical > > > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing > > experiments as > > > follows: > > > > > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > > > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > > > > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of > > prearranged > > > verbal signal. > > > > > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in > > partial > > > sensory isolation. > > > > > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > > patient, > > > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7- 10 > > days. " > > > > > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > > > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA > > officials > > > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for > > the > > > experiments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > > > > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > > > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the > > propriety of > > > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian > > government into > > > an active and hostile opponent. > > > > > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA > > hammered > > > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > > > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. > > Attorney said, > > > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron > > right > > > around their necks. " > > > > > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government > > completely > > > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. > > To turn > > > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > > > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., > > . The > > > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred > > page brief > > > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red > > herring. " > > > > > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian > > Justice > > > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > > > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear > > conflict of > > > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary > > committee > > > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > > > > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing > > wrong. > > > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > > records, > > > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm > > to the > > > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now > > as the > > > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > > investigation. > > > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > > > > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > > threatening > > > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the > > Hague, > > > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. > > The > > > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that > > the " Report " > > > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our > > case > > > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > > psychiatrists > > > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the > > whitewash were > > > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > > associate > > > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against > > the > > > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > > > > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -------- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > > > > > (1901-1967) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > President of the: > > > > > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > > > > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > > > > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > > > > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > > > > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > > > > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > > > > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, > > Massachussetts > > > (1936) > > > > > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical > > School > > > (1938) > > > > > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > > > > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, > > Montreal > > > (1943) > > > > > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > > > > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > > > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > > > > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > > > > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > > examined > > > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " > > responsible for > > > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save > > Hess' > > > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > > > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and > > apologists. > > > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for > > medical > > > ethics. > > > > > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -------- > > > ---- > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > > > > > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and > > watch > > > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > > > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > > > > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting > > WITHOUT > > > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > > > > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > > > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 You know, I said in a previous post that 'it's not murder if they make you kill yourself,' but I was being sarcastic. Truth is, maybe it IS MURDER if they make you kill yourself!!!! > > > Thank you for this information. I saw Nuremberg on a website but it > > wouldn't > > > link. > > > There is much on the internet about MKUltra developing LSD and > > distributing > > > it to Vietnam War protestors with the hope it would discourage their > > > protests. Has anyone found specific information about MKU being the > > early > > > developers of S > > > SSRI's that were introduced into the populace in 1987(?). > > > > > > We have not addressed electroshock therapy much on this ssri > > crusaders > > > . > > > Dr. Noga from the Emory Wesley Woods Geriatric Hospital was > > threatening not > > > to let me visit my Mother because I was " too involved with her care " > > > objecting to her not being able to go outside and take a walk after > > having a > > > heart attack, have her committed and recommended 6-10 weeks of ECT > > daily at > > > approximately $900/day billed to Medicare/BC/BS. > > > I help her escape by making an appointment for a 2nd opinion at > > Northside > > > Hospital who released her in 24 hours. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Dr. Lance, D.C. > > > > > > [PropagandaMatrix.com] Dr White: Mr MK- Ultra Himself - > > Got HESS > > > off at NUREMBERG!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > 1957-1961, Canada: MKULTRA Experiments in Montreal > > > > > > By ph Rauh, Jr. and , the lawyers who litigated > > against the > > > CIA in the 1980s. > > > > > > Early in 1957, Dr. D. Ewen Cameron, Director of the Allan Memorial > > Institute > > > in Montreal, formally applied for funding from the " Society for the > > > Investigation of Human Ecology, " a CIA front at Corn-ell University > > Medical > > > School, New York City. Cameron described his brainwashing > > experiments as > > > follows: > > > > > > " (i) The breaking down ongoing patterns of patient's behavior by > > > particularly intensive electroshocks (depatterning). > > > > > > (ii) Intensive repetition (16 hours a day for 6-7 days) of > > prearranged > > > verbal signal. > > > > > > (iii) During this intensive repetition the patient is kept in > > partial > > > sensory isolation. > > > > > > (iv) Repression of the driving period is carried out by putting the > > patient, > > > after the conclusion of the period, into continuous sleep for 7- 10 > > days. " > > > > > > Cameron also proposed testing " LSD and similar agents " in > > > " depat-terning " his patients. Sidney Gottlieb and other CIA > > officials > > > approved the application and over four years, provided $60,000 for > > the > > > experiments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Canada's Government Aided the CIA's Legal Defense > > > > > > In the 1980s, the CIA and State Department launched a public > > > counterattack on the Canadian government for questioning the > > propriety of > > > CIA activities. The CIA effectively converted the Canadian > > government into > > > an active and hostile opponent. > > > > > > In press briefings, interviews and Court pleadings, the CIA > > hammered > > > away at one theme - Canada funded Cameron too. Legally, this was > > > irrelevant, but politically, it was devastating. As one U.S. > > Attorney said, > > > " We're going to wrap the Canadian Government financing of Cameron > > right > > > around their necks. " > > > > > > This steady counterattack left the Canadian government > > completely > > > cowed, apparently a fairly easy thing for the U.S. to accomplish. > > To turn > > > off the public heat for supporting our case, the Mulroney government > > > commissioned an " independent study " by a former Tory M.P., > > . The > > > result was neither independent nor a study, but a several hundred > > page brief > > > concluding Canada was blameless, and CIA involvement was " a red > > herring. " > > > > > > The " Report " was compiled and written by Canadian > > Justice > > > Department lawyers, whose job was to defend Canada against claims of > > > liability based on its involvement with Cameron. A more clear > > conflict of > > > interest is difficult to imagine. No Canadian Bar disciplinary > > committee > > > has investigated the lawyers who did it. > > > > > > The " Report " asserted that Cameron had done nothing > > wrong. > > > Without interviewing any of our clients or reviewing their medical > > records, > > > the report announced there was probably little if any lasting harm > > to the > > > victims. The report reproduced the CIA's principal defenses, now > > as the > > > " independent " conclusions of an official Canadian government > > investigation. > > > The " Report " was a complete whitewash. > > > > > > What once had appeared to be our strongest potential ally, > > threatening > > > even to take the U.S. to the International Court of Justice at the > > Hague, > > > now sought to exonerate the CIA in every conceivable way possible. > > The > > > Canadian government did such a good job for the CIA that > > the " Report " > > > became the first exhibit in the CIA's final effort to defeat our > > case > > > through a motion for summary judgment. In addition, the same > > psychiatrists > > > who the Canadian government had retained to ratify the > > whitewash were > > > the CIA's expert witnesses. Canada completed the legwork that an > > associate > > > in a good law firm usually does for a senior partner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: Rauh and , " Anatomy of a Public Interest Case against > > the > > > CIA, " Hamline Journal of Public Law and Policy, Fall 1990. > > > > > > www.radix.net/~jcturner/anat-tofc.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -------- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron > > > > > > (1901-1967) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > President of the: > > > > > > a.. Quebec Psychiatric Association > > > > > > b.. Canadian Psychiatric Association > > > > > > c.. American Psychiatric Association > > > > > > d.. World Psychiatric Association > > > > > > e.. Association for Biological Psychiatry > > > > > > Source: www.datafilter.com/mc/scienceAbuse.html > > > > > > a.. Director of Research, Worcester State Hospital, > > Massachussetts > > > (1936) > > > > > > b.. Professor of Neurology and Psychiatry, Albany State Medical > > School > > > (1938) > > > > > > c.. Professor of Psychiatry, McGill (1943) > > > > > > d.. Director, Allan Memorial Institute, at McGill University, > > Montreal > > > (1943) > > > > > > e.. Professor, Albany Medical School (1964) > > > > > > f.. Director, Lab. for Research in Psychiatry & Aging, Veterans' > > > Hospital, Albany (1964) > > > > > > Source: www.archives.mcgill.ca/guide/ > > > > > > Nuremberg Tribunal Member > > > > > > Dr. Ewen Cameron was a member of the Nuremberg tribunal (1945). He > > examined > > > and diagnosed Rudolf Hess, Hitler's devoted " deputy Fuhrer " > > responsible for > > > Nazi party matters, saying that he was insane, thus helping to save > > Hess' > > > life. In 1961, Cameron became president of the World Psychiatric > > > Association, which was riddled with Nazi psychiatrists and > > apologists. > > > Cameron's mind control experiments violated the Nuremberg Code for > > medical > > > ethics. > > > > > > Source: www.mentalhealthfacts.com/blackribbon/wpanazimembers.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > -------- > > > ---- > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Movies. > > > > > > > > > Sign up for ' exclusive member site Prison Planet.tv and > > watch > > > dozens of New World Order-exposing documentaries by visiting > > > http://prisonplanet.tv/subscribe.html > > > > > > Get high speed dial-up and DSL service and top quality webhosting > > WITHOUT > > > censorship of free speech at http://www.infowars.net/front.html > > > > > > Get great anti-New World Order T-shirts and playing cards at > > > http://www.propagandamatrix.com/shop.html > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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