Re: Carbs and weight gain Was:My Butcher and heart disease

[Guest guest]

It depends ... bread and pasta have the highest concentrations of carbs,

and they are the foods that are most likely to fool your appestat (i.e. you

can really pig out on them: they don't trigger the " I'm full " switch fast

enough). Fruit sugar is the most likely to be stored as fat though

(fructose is known for it), though a lot of fruits don't really have all

that much fructose and the fiber in a whole fruit will fill you up fast.

Vegies -- not to worry, it probably takes more calories to digest them than

they give.

If the concern is insulin response, then bread and pasta are still not

good, neither are potatoes. But fruits don't trigger insulin much. And

non-starchy vegies are fine. But for insulin, you also have to avoid

coffee, alchohol, most pharmacuticals (I'm not saying I buy all this, but

this is what is written about it).

There are varying schools of thought on the whole carb/insulin thing so it

depends who you listen to. It DOES seem to be the case that men and women

differ in this regard. In America, the poorer people are, the more likely

that A) the women will be fat and the men will be skinny and short. The

reverse is true for rich people -- for richer people the women are likely

to be skinny and the men taller and fatter. The difference is thought to be

the amount of starch eaten -- so a lot of starch seems to make women fat

and men skinny and short.

(I live in a rather economically depressed area and it's amazing how true

this is! In this area there are lots of really fat women and really skinny

short guys!).

-- Heidi

At 11:40 AM 6/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>I thought the carbs one should watch for weight gain were bread, pasta,

>potatoes, etc. Less so fruits and veggies. Am I wrong here?

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Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

> There are varying schools of thought on the whole carb/insulin thing so it

> depends who you listen to. It DOES seem to be the case that men and women

> differ in this regard. In America, the poorer people are, the more likely

> that A) the women will be fat and the men will be skinny and short. The

> reverse is true for rich people -- for richer people the women are likely

> to be skinny and the men taller and fatter. The difference is thought to

be

> the amount of starch eaten -- so a lot of starch seems to make women fat

> and men skinny and short.

>

> (I live in a rather economically depressed area and it's amazing how true

> this is! In this area there are lots of really fat women and really skinny

> short guys!).

Interesting observation. " Life without Bread " has a before/after picture of

a skinny man who looks much better after switching to a high fat, low carb

diet.

Kris

[Guest guest]

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I got the bread machine tuned up again yesterday and the bread sure is

good today. Made another batch today. Don't know that I'm allergic

to the stuff but it sure tastes good and meets my convenience

requirement. Guess I'm not adapting to NT very fast! Where did you get

the Life w/o Bread book? Dennis, still craveing (and eating) wheat

in Kansas but thinking of switching to grain sorghum and xanthan gum

In @y..., " Kris " <Kris.@a...>

wrote:

> > There are varying schools of thought on the whole carb/insulin

thing so it

> > depends who you listen to. It DOES seem to be the case that men

and women

> > differ in this regard. In America, the poorer people are, the more

likely

> > that A) the women will be fat and the men will be skinny and

short. The

> > reverse is true for rich people -- for richer people the women are

likely

> > to be skinny and the men taller and fatter. The difference is

thought to

> be

> > the amount of starch eaten -- so a lot of starch seems to make

women fat

> > and men skinny and short.

> >

> > (I live in a rather economically depressed area and it's amazing

how true

> > this is! In this area there are lots of really fat women and

really skinny

> > short guys!).

>

> Interesting observation. " Life without Bread " has a before/after

picture of

> a skinny man who looks much better after switching to a high fat,

low carb

> diet.

>

> Kris

[Guest guest]

Heidi--

Is this a study, or just your observation? I would agree from my own travels

and observations, but I'm curious about your source.

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In America, the poorer people are, the more likely

that A) the women will be fat and the men will be skinny and short. The

reverse is true for rich people -- for richer people the women are likely

to be skinny and the men taller and fatter. The difference is thought to be

the amount of starch eaten -- so a lot of starch seems to make women fat

and men skinny and short.

[Guest guest]

It was a study. Actually a couple of them, I think. I read about it in

Health or Discover or one of those magazines: they correlated economic

status with health status (that's been done a lot), focusing on weight.

They didn't seem to have any data on diet: in what ways do poorer people

eat different, in our society? I don't think the answer is strictly

economic -- in a modern grocery store, the foods that are the worst for you

are often the most expensive (potato chips cost more than raw potatoes).

There was another one in Health a few months ago about athletes. They found

that after a workout, men recover better if they are given carbs. But women

recover better on fat, which surprised the researchers. They recommended

peanuts for an after-workout snack for women. Which might have something to

do with why so many women do Atkins.

I have no idea what any of this means. But it is interesting. I was at a

party for HP programmers one night. Out of about 30 people (almost all

white males, I might add), there were about 5 guys that were 6'4 " or 6'5 " .

(my husband being one of them). OK -- so do really tall guys like to

program? Do the guys that get more protein end up being taller and also

smarter? (Programming at that level requires a lot of math, so you figure

the group was at least a bunch of " math-brains " ).

-- Heidi

At 10:16 AM 6/19/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Heidi--

>

>Is this a study, or just your observation? I would agree from my own

>travels and observations, but I'm curious about your source.

>

>

>

>***********

> In America, the poorer people are, the more likely

> that A) the women will be fat and the men will be skinny and short. The

> reverse is true for rich people -- for richer people the women are likely

> to be skinny and the men taller and fatter. The difference is thought

> to be

> the amount of starch eaten -- so a lot of starch seems to make women fat

> and men skinny and short.

>

>

>

Heidi Schuppenhauer

Trillium Custom Software Inc.

heidis@...

[Guest guest]

> I got the bread machine tuned up again yesterday and the bread sure is

> good today. Made another batch today. Don't know that I'm allergic

> to the stuff but it sure tastes good and meets my convenience

> requirement. Guess I'm not adapting to NT very fast! Where did you get

> the Life w/o Bread book? Dennis, still craveing (and eating) wheat

> in Kansas but thinking of switching to grain sorghum and xanthan gum

From Amazon.com

Peace,

Kris , gardening in northwest Ohio