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Hello,

I'm sorry, what is your name??? I know you're Carson's Mom!! I have had

the same feeling from time to time with my son, peck, peck, peck. Especially

at the Geneticist, where they go over them with a fine tooth comb, it seems.

One time, I got so frustrated, I said to the Doc, " Does he get credit for

good hair? "

Our sons have some similar issues, however there are so many possibilities

with regard to what " it " can be. I think I'll leave that up to the experts,

but it sounds as if they do have some suspicions that are to your advantage

to have checked out. If they can peck away, but find a diagnosis, then you

know exactly what you are dealing with. Therefore, you may be better able to

help your son.

So, hang in there!! If it helps, you can go to www.google.com and type in

the symptoms your son has and see what pops up. There are a lot of things

you could research while waiting, I always think in this situation that

knowledge is power. While researching my own problems, I found the name of

my disease way before my Docs mentioned it--I read about it online and these

light bulbs kept popping in my head!! You will find a ton of information.

I have my " standard signature " on the bottom of the page. But a little more

detail may help you. My son's heart condition--Tetrology of Fallot--includes

a VSD--hole in his heart/heart murmur. He had open heart surgery to correct

most of his problem (including a patch for the hole) while he was seven

months old. He is now missing a valve which will need to be placed sometime

in the next year or so. It is strongly believed that he has partial Di

Syndrome at this point, although we have not tested him for it. It wouldn't

really make a difference in the way we treat him (intellectually or

physically) so we haven't done it. However, he does not have learning

disabilities, most of his issues are physical. If I believed that he had

some learning problems, I would insist on having EVERY test done. Also,

Carson is at an excellent age for this testing, it could be very helpful in

school. The earlier the better!

Let me know if I can help more. If you want to e-mail me privately, please

feel free to do so.

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot,

chronic sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD.

Ten surgeries, heart surgery pending.

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Interesting....Kody has a double cowlick on the back of his head

too....poor kid's hair stands on end like Dennis the Mennis! LOL Every

barber that cuts his hair comments on it but no doctors have. Gee, I'd

like to know more about that too! I do think that I read something about

cowlicks in the past, maybe it was a vague mention on the

vela-cardio-facial syndrome website. There is alot of information on

Di Syndrome there. I'll do some digging too!!

Diane, Mom to Kody

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Hello,

I know what you are t alking about with the pecking going on. For a long

time I htought they were inventing test to put my duaghters through. It seemed

as everyday there was a new test we needed to have done. Now when we get to

duke we have to have it done all overe again.

mrschristyiii wrote:Hey Group,

I took Carson to see a Doctor yesterday to test him for learning

disabilities. Carson has ADHD .During the exam we went over his

medical history . The Doctor noticed that Carson has two cow licks or

double crown on the back top of his head.The Doctor said that was a

sign of some kind of genetic defect but he did not know which one. He

ordered a genetic test to be done to see what defect it is. Carson is

51/2 and this is the first time anyone has said he has a genetic

defect. Two months ago we found out through another Doctor that

Carson has a heart murmer for the first time also.It's like being

pecked to death by chickens! your son has this " PECK " ,your son has

that " PECK " , your son needs some more tests he may have this and that

" PECK PECK " . I wish we could just have him tested with a complete work

up all at once and findout everything at once so we can set a game

plan for his care and get on with life you know?

I was wondering if yall might know what this genetic defect could be?

The thought of waiting for the test to be done next month and then

wating for the results are going to drive me crazy!

Thank yall so much for your help! ! !

Carson:Selective IgA Deficiency ,Asthma, Heart Murmer,ADHD,

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There are 4 different types of genetic disorders. One of them is called

a single-gene disorder and it will affect 1 in every 200 babies born

here in the U.S. There are more than 6,000 known single-gene disorders!

Maybe this why the government is now collecting our newborn babies'

DNA? Not to help us of course, but maybe figure out a way to make some

money in the process? The state of Minnesota has actually been

collecting and storing this DNA illegally since 1997!!

http://tinyurl.com/cnu5ff

http://tinyurl.com/8dyv56

http://tinyurl.com/ajpw2c

I would like to see the rate of genetic disorders in the U.S. compared

to that of non-industrialized and non-vaccinated nations! This could

explain why the U.S. is giving " free " vaccines to third world countries

too.

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There are 4 different types of genetic disorders. One of them is called

a single-gene disorder and it will affect 1 in every 200 babies born

here in the U.S. There are more than 6,000 known single-gene disorders!

Maybe this why the government is now collecting our newborn babies'

DNA? Not to help us of course, but maybe figure out a way to make some

money in the process? The state of Minnesota has actually been

collecting and storing this DNA illegally since 1997!!

http://tinyurl.com/cnu5ff

http://tinyurl.com/8dyv56

http://tinyurl.com/ajpw2c

I would like to see the rate of genetic disorders in the U.S. compared

to that of non-industrialized and non-vaccinated nations! This could

explain why the U.S. is giving " free " vaccines to third world countries

too.

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This spin has long since been debunked.

Ingrid

" The fallacy of genetic determinism is widely recognized (18). Genuine

genetic diseases that can be attributed to single genes constitute less than

2% of all diseases. And more and more geneticists are coming around to the

view that even those are subject to so many other genetic and environmental

influences that there is simply no such thing as a single-gene condition.

For the rest, the association between the condition and the specific genes

or genetic markers reduces to tenuous ‘predispositions’ or ‘susceptibility’

(see above).

‘Predipositions’ to cancer for example, conceals the fact that important

environmental factors are left out of consideration. These include the

hundreds of acknowledged industrial carcinogens polluting our environment.

It is well-known that the incidence of cancer increases with

industrialization and with the use of pesticides. Women in

non-industrialized Asian countries have a much lower incidence of breast

cancer than the women living in the industrialized west. However, when Asian

women emigrate to Europe and the United States, their incidence of cancer

jumps to that of the white European women within a single generation.

Similarly, when DDT and other pesticides were phased out in Israel, breast

cancer mortality in pre-menopausal women dropped by 30%. The overwhelming

causes of ill-health are environmental and social. That is the conclusion of

a growing body of research findings. Environmental influences swamp even

large genetic differences.

The genetic determinist approach of the human genome programme is pernicious

because it diverts attention and resources away from addressing the real

causes of ill-health, while at the same time stigmatizing the victims and

fueling eugenic tendencies in society. The health of nations will be

infinitely better served by devoting resources to preventing environmental

pollution and to phasing out agrochemicals, rather than by identifying all

the genes that ‘predispose’ people to ill-health. The UK Royal Society

produced a report in July, calling for national and international

coordination to deal with the dangers posed to humans and wildlife by

endocrine-disrupting chemicals, substances thought to mimic or block natural

hormones in amounts too minute to trigger a conventional toxic response

(19).

But it is the inherent complexity of the human organism and the lack of a

concept of the organism as a coherent whole that will continue to frustrate

all attempts at understanding health and disease within the dominant,

reductionist framework.

Despite the almost weekly hype on cancer cures, there is none, or none that

has resulted from information on genes and gene sequences. As mentioned

earlier, some 50 000 genes have been identified that are active in one or

more cancers using the Gene Chip, which is half of the maximum number of

gene predicted in the human genome!

In principle, knowing the genes that are over-expressed or inactive in

individual cancers can allow specific genes to be targeted. But this is no

different from interventions that have previously been available to

single-gene defects such as sickle cell anaemia or cystic fibrosis, none of

which has been cured as a result; which is why gene therapy has been

attempted, equally to no avail so far. One obstacle to effective cure is

that it is impossible to avoid unintended ‘side-effects’ in a system where

proteins interact with one another and with the genes. But the main problem

is the failure to recognize that just as health is a property of the

organism as whole, so too is disease.

To try to understand disease in terms of genes and protein interactions is

worse than trying to understand how a machine works in terms of its nuts and

bolts, simply because the parts of the organism, unlike those of a machine,

are inseparably tangled up with one another. Mechanistic understanding in

terms of interacting parts is extremely unlikely to lead to the design of

better drugs. For that, we require knowledge of the design of the human

organism. And no amount of information on genes and protein interactions

will ever add up to the complex, entangled whole that is the organism.

The promise of customized medicine and prescribed lifestyle based on an

individual’s genetic makeup is a pipe-dream. The effect of each gene depends

not only on external environmental factors, but on the genetic back-ground

of all other genes in the genome. Individuals differ on average by one base

per thousand in their DNA. This amounts to three million bases over the

entire genome. As each gene is at least a thousand bases in length, it means

that every gene will most probably be different. Assuming that only two

variants exist in each gene, the number of different genotypes is already

3(100 000). In fact, hundreds of variants are typically found for each gene.

Consequently, every individual is genetically unique, except for identical

twins at the beginning of development, before different genetic mutations

can accumulate in each of the pair. That is why it is generally impossible

to give accurate prognosis of even single gene diseases unless the genetic

background is homogenous, as in an inbred laboratory strain of mice. And

even then, the mice have to be raised in a uniform environment.

It is difficult to see any definite strategy within either bioinformatics or

proteomics that can pay off, either in terms of basic understanding the

human organism as a whole, or in terms of miracle cures and wonder drugs.

There is nothing beyond the proliferation of more and more detailed

information on genes and proteins that have been spilling out of the pages

of scientific journals for the past decade. The one million proteins encoded

by the 100 000 genes interact with one another, with the genes themselves,

and small molecular weight ‘cofactors’ and ‘messengers’. Those interactions

vary in different cells and tissues at different times, subject to feedback

from the environment. Feedback from the environment can alter the genes

themselves, and hence the entire cascades of interactions involved. All that

is the reality of the fluid and adaptable genome (11), which the moguls of

genomics and bioinformatics have yet to come to grips with. The prospect of

understanding the human being by a detailed description of its molecular

parts is essentially nil. This reductionist fallacy has been exposed in

different forms, starting with the physicist Walter Elsasser (22).

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/humangenome.php

Also read " From Genomics to Epigenomics "

Decades of sequencing and dissecting the human genome have confirmed that

the real causes of ill health are environmental and social

It is not the genetic messages encoded in genomic DNA but

environmentally-induced epigenetic modifications that overwhelmingly

determine people’s health and well-being Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fromGenomicsToEpigenomics.php

The “genomics medicine” that never was nor will be

By September 2008, B. Goldstein at Duke University, a leading young

population geneticist known partly for his research into the genetic origins

of the Jews, said the effort to pin down disease susceptibility genes is not

working.

There is absolutely no question that for the whole hope of personalized

medicine, the news has been just about as bleak as it could be,” he told the

New York Times [5]. The HapMap and other techniques developed to make sense

of the human genome was a “tour de force”, but has produced only a handful

of genes accounting for very little in explaining genetic predisposition to

diseases: for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, almost nothing, for type 2

diabetes, 20 variants that explain only 2 to 3 percent of familial

clustering, and so on.

The reason for this disappointing outcome, in his view, is that natural

selection has been far more efficient at eliminating disease-causing

variants than people thought, so these variants are rare. It takes large,

expensive studies with hundreds of patients in different countries to find

even common disease variants, so rare variants are simply beyond reach.

It’s an astounding thing,” said Goldstein, “that we have cracked open the

human genome and can look at the entire complement of common genetic

variants, and what do we find? Almost nothing. That is absolutely beyond

belief.”

Goldstein is not alone in this bleak assessment of genomics. Concern has

been raised for several years over commercially available gene tests offered

to consumers, especially ‘predictive genomic profiling’ testing for variants

in different combinations of genes for risks to illnesses such as lung

cancer, type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease that are supposed to give

people personalised nutrition and other life-style health recommendations.

Recently, researchers at Erasmus MC University Medical Center Rotterdam in

The Netherlands critically appraised these genomic profiling now offered

online by at least seven companies testing for variants in 56 genes. For 24

of the genes, there were no available studies to show that the profiling was

useful in the general population. Of the remaining, only variants in 25

genes showed significant associations with risks in 28 diseases, but the

associations were generally modest, and many of associations were with

diseases unrelated to the condition for which the profiling was intended

[10].

These weak associations most certainly do not mean that people carrying

‘high’ risk variants will definitely develop the disease, nor do they give

licence to those carrying ‘low’ risk variants to adopt unhealthy lifestyles

with impunity. As one critic commented [11], the genetic information

provided by such direct to consumer genomics is “nearly all, to varying

degrees, inaccurate, misleading or merely useless.”

The real reasons genomics profiling fail, however, is not due to lack of

data, or that natural selection is so effective in eliminating deleterious

variants. It is the genomics project itself that is misguided.

There are 4 different types of genetic disorders. One of them is called

a single-gene disorder and it will affect 1 in every 200 babies born

here in the U.S. There are more than 6,000 known single-gene disorders!

Maybe this why the government is now collecting our newborn babies'

DNA? Not to help us of course, but maybe figure out a way to make some

money in the process? The state of Minnesota has actually been

collecting and storing this DNA illegally since 1997!!

http://tinyurl.com/cnu5ff

http://tinyurl.com/8dyv56

http://tinyurl.com/ajpw2c

I would like to see the rate of genetic disorders in the U.S. compared

to that of non-industrialized and non-vaccinated nations! This could

explain why the U.S. is giving " free " vaccines to third world countries

too.

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This spin has long since been debunked.

Ingrid

" The fallacy of genetic determinism is widely recognized (18). Genuine

genetic diseases that can be attributed to single genes constitute less than

2% of all diseases. And more and more geneticists are coming around to the

view that even those are subject to so many other genetic and environmental

influences that there is simply no such thing as a single-gene condition.

For the rest, the association between the condition and the specific genes

or genetic markers reduces to tenuous ‘predispositions’ or ‘susceptibility’

(see above).

‘Predipositions’ to cancer for example, conceals the fact that important

environmental factors are left out of consideration. These include the

hundreds of acknowledged industrial carcinogens polluting our environment.

It is well-known that the incidence of cancer increases with

industrialization and with the use of pesticides. Women in

non-industrialized Asian countries have a much lower incidence of breast

cancer than the women living in the industrialized west. However, when Asian

women emigrate to Europe and the United States, their incidence of cancer

jumps to that of the white European women within a single generation.

Similarly, when DDT and other pesticides were phased out in Israel, breast

cancer mortality in pre-menopausal women dropped by 30%. The overwhelming

causes of ill-health are environmental and social. That is the conclusion of

a growing body of research findings. Environmental influences swamp even

large genetic differences.

The genetic determinist approach of the human genome programme is pernicious

because it diverts attention and resources away from addressing the real

causes of ill-health, while at the same time stigmatizing the victims and

fueling eugenic tendencies in society. The health of nations will be

infinitely better served by devoting resources to preventing environmental

pollution and to phasing out agrochemicals, rather than by identifying all

the genes that ‘predispose’ people to ill-health. The UK Royal Society

produced a report in July, calling for national and international

coordination to deal with the dangers posed to humans and wildlife by

endocrine-disrupting chemicals, substances thought to mimic or block natural

hormones in amounts too minute to trigger a conventional toxic response

(19).

But it is the inherent complexity of the human organism and the lack of a

concept of the organism as a coherent whole that will continue to frustrate

all attempts at understanding health and disease within the dominant,

reductionist framework.

Despite the almost weekly hype on cancer cures, there is none, or none that

has resulted from information on genes and gene sequences. As mentioned

earlier, some 50 000 genes have been identified that are active in one or

more cancers using the Gene Chip, which is half of the maximum number of

gene predicted in the human genome!

In principle, knowing the genes that are over-expressed or inactive in

individual cancers can allow specific genes to be targeted. But this is no

different from interventions that have previously been available to

single-gene defects such as sickle cell anaemia or cystic fibrosis, none of

which has been cured as a result; which is why gene therapy has been

attempted, equally to no avail so far. One obstacle to effective cure is

that it is impossible to avoid unintended ‘side-effects’ in a system where

proteins interact with one another and with the genes. But the main problem

is the failure to recognize that just as health is a property of the

organism as whole, so too is disease.

To try to understand disease in terms of genes and protein interactions is

worse than trying to understand how a machine works in terms of its nuts and

bolts, simply because the parts of the organism, unlike those of a machine,

are inseparably tangled up with one another. Mechanistic understanding in

terms of interacting parts is extremely unlikely to lead to the design of

better drugs. For that, we require knowledge of the design of the human

organism. And no amount of information on genes and protein interactions

will ever add up to the complex, entangled whole that is the organism.

The promise of customized medicine and prescribed lifestyle based on an

individual’s genetic makeup is a pipe-dream. The effect of each gene depends

not only on external environmental factors, but on the genetic back-ground

of all other genes in the genome. Individuals differ on average by one base

per thousand in their DNA. This amounts to three million bases over the

entire genome. As each gene is at least a thousand bases in length, it means

that every gene will most probably be different. Assuming that only two

variants exist in each gene, the number of different genotypes is already

3(100 000). In fact, hundreds of variants are typically found for each gene.

Consequently, every individual is genetically unique, except for identical

twins at the beginning of development, before different genetic mutations

can accumulate in each of the pair. That is why it is generally impossible

to give accurate prognosis of even single gene diseases unless the genetic

background is homogenous, as in an inbred laboratory strain of mice. And

even then, the mice have to be raised in a uniform environment.

It is difficult to see any definite strategy within either bioinformatics or

proteomics that can pay off, either in terms of basic understanding the

human organism as a whole, or in terms of miracle cures and wonder drugs.

There is nothing beyond the proliferation of more and more detailed

information on genes and proteins that have been spilling out of the pages

of scientific journals for the past decade. The one million proteins encoded

by the 100 000 genes interact with one another, with the genes themselves,

and small molecular weight ‘cofactors’ and ‘messengers’. Those interactions

vary in different cells and tissues at different times, subject to feedback

from the environment. Feedback from the environment can alter the genes

themselves, and hence the entire cascades of interactions involved. All that

is the reality of the fluid and adaptable genome (11), which the moguls of

genomics and bioinformatics have yet to come to grips with. The prospect of

understanding the human being by a detailed description of its molecular

parts is essentially nil. This reductionist fallacy has been exposed in

different forms, starting with the physicist Walter Elsasser (22).

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/humangenome.php

Also read " From Genomics to Epigenomics "

Decades of sequencing and dissecting the human genome have confirmed that

the real causes of ill health are environmental and social

It is not the genetic messages encoded in genomic DNA but

environmentally-induced epigenetic modifications that overwhelmingly

determine people’s health and well-being Dr. Mae-Wan Ho

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fromGenomicsToEpigenomics.php

The “genomics medicine” that never was nor will be

By September 2008, B. Goldstein at Duke University, a leading young

population geneticist known partly for his research into the genetic origins

of the Jews, said the effort to pin down disease susceptibility genes is not

working.

There is absolutely no question that for the whole hope of personalized

medicine, the news has been just about as bleak as it could be,” he told the

New York Times [5]. The HapMap and other techniques developed to make sense

of the human genome was a “tour de force”, but has produced only a handful

of genes accounting for very little in explaining genetic predisposition to

diseases: for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, almost nothing, for type 2

diabetes, 20 variants that explain only 2 to 3 percent of familial

clustering, and so on.

The reason for this disappointing outcome, in his view, is that natural

selection has been far more efficient at eliminating disease-causing

variants than people thought, so these variants are rare. It takes large,

expensive studies with hundreds of patients in different countries to find

even common disease variants, so rare variants are simply beyond reach.

It’s an astounding thing,” said Goldstein, “that we have cracked open the

human genome and can look at the entire complement of common genetic

variants, and what do we find? Almost nothing. That is absolutely beyond

belief.”

Goldstein is not alone in this bleak assessment of genomics. Concern has

been raised for several years over commercially available gene tests offered

to consumers, especially ‘predictive genomic profiling’ testing for variants

in different combinations of genes for risks to illnesses such as lung

cancer, type 2 diabetes or cardiovascular disease that are supposed to give

people personalised nutrition and other life-style health recommendations.

Recently, researchers at Erasmus MC University Medical Center Rotterdam in

The Netherlands critically appraised these genomic profiling now offered

online by at least seven companies testing for variants in 56 genes. For 24

of the genes, there were no available studies to show that the profiling was

useful in the general population. Of the remaining, only variants in 25

genes showed significant associations with risks in 28 diseases, but the

associations were generally modest, and many of associations were with

diseases unrelated to the condition for which the profiling was intended

[10].

These weak associations most certainly do not mean that people carrying

‘high’ risk variants will definitely develop the disease, nor do they give

licence to those carrying ‘low’ risk variants to adopt unhealthy lifestyles

with impunity. As one critic commented [11], the genetic information

provided by such direct to consumer genomics is “nearly all, to varying

degrees, inaccurate, misleading or merely useless.”

The real reasons genomics profiling fail, however, is not due to lack of

data, or that natural selection is so effective in eliminating deleterious

variants. It is the genomics project itself that is misguided.

There are 4 different types of genetic disorders. One of them is called

a single-gene disorder and it will affect 1 in every 200 babies born

here in the U.S. There are more than 6,000 known single-gene disorders!

Maybe this why the government is now collecting our newborn babies'

DNA? Not to help us of course, but maybe figure out a way to make some

money in the process? The state of Minnesota has actually been

collecting and storing this DNA illegally since 1997!!

http://tinyurl.com/cnu5ff

http://tinyurl.com/8dyv56

http://tinyurl.com/ajpw2c

I would like to see the rate of genetic disorders in the U.S. compared

to that of non-industrialized and non-vaccinated nations! This could

explain why the U.S. is giving " free " vaccines to third world countries

too.

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