Re: pinnochio awards?

[Guest guest]

a little more kindness, please!

From: tamarque@... <tamarque@...>Subject: pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

a little more kindness, please!

From: tamarque@... <tamarque@...>Subject: pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

Okay, I happened to read this reply to an earlier post (would very much like to see the original post). I must have missed it.

While I totally agree with that it is corporate greed at work not socialized medicine, I have to say as a person who believed in national health care of some sort (before I learned of the flat out genocide being waged against us through the current system). I now would be absoultely HORRIFIED to have this lying crooked murderous government in charge of a "New and Improved" health care system for all. I have to say I'd probably have to go underground to find a naturopathic doctor even if I had to pay (they very seldom are involved with any of the state health insurance programs if at all). Because they know they won't get paid, which is why many doctors won't accept these forms of coverage.

The deadly vaccine scam and all of the other genocidal attrocities being committed by the Medical Industrial Complex COULDN'T BE accomplished without a crooked government willing to allow it for whatever reason be it money or population reduction.

THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY

Yes I agree there are cracks to be fallen through and I should know. I have no insurance I'm one of those people who can't sick. There's no where for me to go. (That's why I have chosen to keep my self well through food as medicine and custom nutrition). My daughter has insurance through the state but I don't qualify. Even still we only use it in emergencies.

The bottom line I guess is that I see both sides. I COULD NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE knowing that they are intentionally killing people now and have been for decades. But that's just me.

Tiffane Coe

(410)371-0076

Customhealth4you.com

Home of Americas # 1 Ranked Custom Multivitamin "Custom Essentials"

From: tamarque@... <tamarque@...>Subject: pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

Okay, I happened to read this reply to an earlier post (would very much like to see the original post). I must have missed it.

While I totally agree with that it is corporate greed at work not socialized medicine, I have to say as a person who believed in national health care of some sort (before I learned of the flat out genocide being waged against us through the current system). I now would be absoultely HORRIFIED to have this lying crooked murderous government in charge of a "New and Improved" health care system for all. I have to say I'd probably have to go underground to find a naturopathic doctor even if I had to pay (they very seldom are involved with any of the state health insurance programs if at all). Because they know they won't get paid, which is why many doctors won't accept these forms of coverage.

The deadly vaccine scam and all of the other genocidal attrocities being committed by the Medical Industrial Complex COULDN'T BE accomplished without a crooked government willing to allow it for whatever reason be it money or population reduction.

THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY

Yes I agree there are cracks to be fallen through and I should know. I have no insurance I'm one of those people who can't sick. There's no where for me to go. (That's why I have chosen to keep my self well through food as medicine and custom nutrition). My daughter has insurance through the state but I don't qualify. Even still we only use it in emergencies.

The bottom line I guess is that I see both sides. I COULD NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE knowing that they are intentionally killing people now and have been for decades. But that's just me.

Tiffane Coe

(410)371-0076

Customhealth4you.com

Home of Americas # 1 Ranked Custom Multivitamin "Custom Essentials"

From: tamarque@... <tamarque@...>Subject: pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

The assumptions you make here are pretty bold. Starting with the

assumption that most of us here think socialized medicine is the

answer. Socialism is never driven by philanthropy. It's always the

most powerful using their illegal monopoly on money to transform

government into their own personal profit protection system. I agree

with you on your statement about education. We've slowly socialized

our school system over the past 100 years, and now we're being trained

to think socialism is benign. Socialism and state atheism is

responsible for more deaths than any other system the world has ever

known.

Socialized medicine is never, and has never been free. In fact, it

will distort cost so much more than it already is, killing and

bankrupting us, making the fed all the more powerful. It wasn't the

free market that has destroyed our medical system it has been semi

socialization that the government has tricked us into accepting

through insurance companies and costly allopathic psuedo-cures. Strip

away the regulation and the suffocating taxes that destroy

competition, and allow us to pursue justice against those who prey

upon us and who wish to kill our children and keep us sick our entire

lives, and you'll not only see an improvement in health care, but

you'll see that people will not only have the capability to help those

in need, but will also want to.

As for Fox news, I've heard this argument before. I've never taken

anything any news channel anywhere at face value. However, in the last

few months, they've actually been the ONLY news channel other than

who've offered a truly free market perspective. The same one they

mocked before the election. I can provide dozens of videos where just

like every other channel fox news literally laughed these guys off

stage. At least they give them some equal face-time without the

laughter now. I'm sure that will change a little during the next

election. Don't confuse the neoconservative's with libertarians and

anti-federalists. =)

didn't pretend that her statement wasn't political. Accusing her

of doing something she outright admitted to is creating an argument

that doesn't exist.

This particular email is not meant to be political either, but as you

said, the body-politic is an inevitable result of living in a social

environment. I think understanding economic theory based on historical

evidence is essential in understanding how we can effectively

understand wealth, ethics, human behavior, and how we can maintain our

health in spite of those who wish to make those decisions for us. This

group cannot truly accomplish anything unless we understand economics

and how the political control of money can destroy everything

including our health. If we are not united in removing the illegal

monopoly on money, then it won't matter what we do about forced

vaccinations. Our efforts will always be trumped by money.

~Matt

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government

those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,

perverted it into tyranny.

~ Jefferson

Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws.

~Mater Amschel Rothschild

[Guest guest]

The assumptions you make here are pretty bold. Starting with the

assumption that most of us here think socialized medicine is the

answer. Socialism is never driven by philanthropy. It's always the

most powerful using their illegal monopoly on money to transform

government into their own personal profit protection system. I agree

with you on your statement about education. We've slowly socialized

our school system over the past 100 years, and now we're being trained

to think socialism is benign. Socialism and state atheism is

responsible for more deaths than any other system the world has ever

known.

Socialized medicine is never, and has never been free. In fact, it

will distort cost so much more than it already is, killing and

bankrupting us, making the fed all the more powerful. It wasn't the

free market that has destroyed our medical system it has been semi

socialization that the government has tricked us into accepting

through insurance companies and costly allopathic psuedo-cures. Strip

away the regulation and the suffocating taxes that destroy

competition, and allow us to pursue justice against those who prey

upon us and who wish to kill our children and keep us sick our entire

lives, and you'll not only see an improvement in health care, but

you'll see that people will not only have the capability to help those

in need, but will also want to.

As for Fox news, I've heard this argument before. I've never taken

anything any news channel anywhere at face value. However, in the last

few months, they've actually been the ONLY news channel other than

who've offered a truly free market perspective. The same one they

mocked before the election. I can provide dozens of videos where just

like every other channel fox news literally laughed these guys off

stage. At least they give them some equal face-time without the

laughter now. I'm sure that will change a little during the next

election. Don't confuse the neoconservative's with libertarians and

anti-federalists. =)

didn't pretend that her statement wasn't political. Accusing her

of doing something she outright admitted to is creating an argument

that doesn't exist.

This particular email is not meant to be political either, but as you

said, the body-politic is an inevitable result of living in a social

environment. I think understanding economic theory based on historical

evidence is essential in understanding how we can effectively

understand wealth, ethics, human behavior, and how we can maintain our

health in spite of those who wish to make those decisions for us. This

group cannot truly accomplish anything unless we understand economics

and how the political control of money can destroy everything

including our health. If we are not united in removing the illegal

monopoly on money, then it won't matter what we do about forced

vaccinations. Our efforts will always be trumped by money.

~Matt

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government

those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,

perverted it into tyranny.

~ Jefferson

Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws.

~Mater Amschel Rothschild

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the repost but the annoying little

ad is in the way and the previous post

can't be read so here it is below:)

Okay, I happened to read this reply

to an earlier post

(would very much like to see the original post).

I must have missed it.

While I totally agree with that

it is corporate greed at work not s

ocialized medicine, I have to say as

a person who believed in national health

care of some sort (before I learned of the

flat out genocide being waged against us

through the current system). I now would

be absoultely HORRIFIED to have this lying

crooked murderous government in charge of a

"New and Improved" health care system for all.

I have to say I'd probably have to go

underground to find a naturopathic doctor even

if I had to pay (they very seldom are involved

with any of the state health insurance programs if at all).

Because they know they won't get paid, which is why

many doctors won't accept these forms of coverage.

The deadly vaccine scam and all of the other genocidal

attrocities being committed by the Medical Industrial

Complex COULDN'T BE accomplished without a crooked

government willing to allow it for whatever reason be it money

or population reduction.

THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY

Yes I agree there are cracks to be fallen through and I should know. I have no insurance I'm one of those people who can't sick. There's no where for me to go. (That's why I have chosen to keep my self well through food as medicine and custom nutrition). My daughter has insurance through the state but I don't qualify. Even still we only use it in emergencies.

The bottom line I guess is that I see both sides. I COULD NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE knowing that they are intentionally killing people now and have been for decades. But that's just me.

Tiffane Coe

(410)371-0076

Customhealth4you.com

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the repost but the annoying little

ad is in the way and the previous post

can't be read so here it is below:)

Okay, I happened to read this reply

to an earlier post

(would very much like to see the original post).

I must have missed it.

While I totally agree with that

it is corporate greed at work not s

ocialized medicine, I have to say as

a person who believed in national health

care of some sort (before I learned of the

flat out genocide being waged against us

through the current system). I now would

be absoultely HORRIFIED to have this lying

crooked murderous government in charge of a

"New and Improved" health care system for all.

I have to say I'd probably have to go

underground to find a naturopathic doctor even

if I had to pay (they very seldom are involved

with any of the state health insurance programs if at all).

Because they know they won't get paid, which is why

many doctors won't accept these forms of coverage.

The deadly vaccine scam and all of the other genocidal

attrocities being committed by the Medical Industrial

Complex COULDN'T BE accomplished without a crooked

government willing to allow it for whatever reason be it money

or population reduction.

THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY

Yes I agree there are cracks to be fallen through and I should know. I have no insurance I'm one of those people who can't sick. There's no where for me to go. (That's why I have chosen to keep my self well through food as medicine and custom nutrition). My daughter has insurance through the state but I don't qualify. Even still we only use it in emergencies.

The bottom line I guess is that I see both sides. I COULD NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE knowing that they are intentionally killing people now and have been for decades. But that's just me.

Tiffane Coe

(410)371-0076

Customhealth4you.com

[Guest guest]

Tiffane,

I totally agree. Our government doesn't need to control anything else!

From: tiffane coe <imacajunqueen2@...>Subject: Re: pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 1:55 PM

Sorry for the repost but the annoying little

ad is in the way and the previous post

can't be read so here it is below:)

Okay, I happened to read this reply

to an earlier post

(would very much like to see the original post).

I must have missed it.

While I totally agree with that

it is corporate greed at work not s

ocialized medicine, I have to say as

a person who believed in national health

care of some sort (before I learned of the

flat out genocide being waged against us

through the current system). I now would

be absoultely HORRIFIED to have this lying

crooked murderous government in charge of a

"New and Improved" health care system for all.

I have to say I'd probably have to go

underground to find a naturopathic doctor even

if I had to pay (they very seldom are involved

with any of the state health insurance programs if at all).

Because they know they won't get paid, which is why

many doctors won't accept these forms of coverage.

The deadly vaccine scam and all of the other genocidal

attrocities being committed by the Medical Industrial

Complex COULDN'T BE accomplished without a crooked

government willing to allow it for whatever reason be it money

or population reduction.

THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY

Yes I agree there are cracks to be fallen through and I should know. I have no insurance I'm one of those people who can't sick. There's no where for me to go. (That's why I have chosen to keep my self well through food as medicine and custom nutrition). My daughter has insurance through the state but I don't qualify. Even still we only use it in emergencies.

The bottom line I guess is that I see both sides. I COULD NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE knowing that they are intentionally killing people now and have been for decades. But that's just me.

Tiffane Coe

(410)371-0076

Customhealth4you. com

[Guest guest]

Tiffane,

I totally agree. Our government doesn't need to control anything else!

From: tiffane coe <imacajunqueen2@...>Subject: Re: pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 1:55 PM

Sorry for the repost but the annoying little

ad is in the way and the previous post

can't be read so here it is below:)

Okay, I happened to read this reply

to an earlier post

(would very much like to see the original post).

I must have missed it.

While I totally agree with that

it is corporate greed at work not s

ocialized medicine, I have to say as

a person who believed in national health

care of some sort (before I learned of the

flat out genocide being waged against us

through the current system). I now would

be absoultely HORRIFIED to have this lying

crooked murderous government in charge of a

"New and Improved" health care system for all.

I have to say I'd probably have to go

underground to find a naturopathic doctor even

if I had to pay (they very seldom are involved

with any of the state health insurance programs if at all).

Because they know they won't get paid, which is why

many doctors won't accept these forms of coverage.

The deadly vaccine scam and all of the other genocidal

attrocities being committed by the Medical Industrial

Complex COULDN'T BE accomplished without a crooked

government willing to allow it for whatever reason be it money

or population reduction.

THIS IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST MONEY

Yes I agree there are cracks to be fallen through and I should know. I have no insurance I'm one of those people who can't sick. There's no where for me to go. (That's why I have chosen to keep my self well through food as medicine and custom nutrition). My daughter has insurance through the state but I don't qualify. Even still we only use it in emergencies.

The bottom line I guess is that I see both sides. I COULD NEVER TRUST GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE knowing that they are intentionally killing people now and have been for decades. But that's just me.

Tiffane Coe

(410)371-0076

Customhealth4you. com

[Guest guest]

I'm a little confused at that response. Socialism basically means if you don't like what the majority and government does, your out of luck.......including vaccinations or forced vaccinations. I'm sorry but to me that was harsh. I don't think we are here to talk politics in this manner. Personally Socialism is government control and I see it as a violation of my rights.

From: tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net <tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net>Subject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

I'm a little confused at that response. Socialism basically means if you don't like what the majority and government does, your out of luck.......including vaccinations or forced vaccinations. I'm sorry but to me that was harsh. I don't think we are here to talk politics in this manner. Personally Socialism is government control and I see it as a violation of my rights.

From: tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net <tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net>Subject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

Seems like I'm prone to getting into hot water by getting involved, but I really have to say that 's message did not seem extreme (hyperbole) at all, though perhaps a well understood vent of emotion over the state of world affairs and maybe not perfectly accurate. Bonnie makes many similar points of her own, so let's be tolerant of one another's personal style. I just recently became aware of a man whose face was cut off before he was killed with a bullet. This was a former CIA agent who knew of the gov's involvement in cocaine running, murder and COG operations. He's far from being the first. These are the kinds of things going on big time in our country today, and they are difficult to face up to or do anything about. Nor are they separate from issues like vaccinations, because all of these things are part of rampant fraud, misrepresentation

and exploitation in government and industry (esp medicine/pharmaceutical). The drug running the gov does is on a massive scale, involving large banks and even the pharmaceutical companies profiting from vaccines and nasty stuff like Vioxx, and it preys mostly on young people. All of us here are on the same side, I hope, naive enough not to deserve immediate termination but enough aware to offer meaningful resistance. Thanks for letting me rant!

From: tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net <tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net>Subject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

Seems like I'm prone to getting into hot water by getting involved, but I really have to say that 's message did not seem extreme (hyperbole) at all, though perhaps a well understood vent of emotion over the state of world affairs and maybe not perfectly accurate. Bonnie makes many similar points of her own, so let's be tolerant of one another's personal style. I just recently became aware of a man whose face was cut off before he was killed with a bullet. This was a former CIA agent who knew of the gov's involvement in cocaine running, murder and COG operations. He's far from being the first. These are the kinds of things going on big time in our country today, and they are difficult to face up to or do anything about. Nor are they separate from issues like vaccinations, because all of these things are part of rampant fraud, misrepresentation

and exploitation in government and industry (esp medicine/pharmaceutical). The drug running the gov does is on a massive scale, involving large banks and even the pharmaceutical companies profiting from vaccines and nasty stuff like Vioxx, and it preys mostly on young people. All of us here are on the same side, I hope, naive enough not to deserve immediate termination but enough aware to offer meaningful resistance. Thanks for letting me rant!

From: tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net <tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net>Subject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] pinnochio awards?no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:48 AM

,I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for theemotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias withouttaking responsibility for doing just that.Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everythingin our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The political social institution is simply the way people organize the way theylive together as a society. So as long as people live together incommunity,they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head insand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activismis the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are neveras 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves. We are all the products of our environment and the type of education wereceive. In our country, as in others, people are given the

type of education thatsupportsthe economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is aprocess of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense ofentitlements.At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not takeaction.So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained tobe.The education system was very successful. People don't researchinformation.A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primarynews information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of thefacts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those whoread independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, provedto be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want toshut down the internet's free access!As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

What isgoing on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medicalfascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine isbeyond me except for your lack of real understanding. As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicineis the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health systemfor almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed bythe Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health buildingprotocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyoneread the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drugzyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it hadno positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approvedthe off limits selling of this

multi-billion dollar profit drug. If thatisn't cynicism at work ............ ..And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccinationprogram is a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An article read recently indicated that the government has refused to questiontheimpact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study wouldcause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrificneurological,particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of thevaccines. Thisis not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedyCapitalismdoing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your factsstraight and question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can onlybefuddle any real

discussion.tamarqueearthlink (DOT) net

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for the

> emotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias without

> taking responsibility for doing just that.

>

> Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everything

> in our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The

> political social institution is simply the way people organize the way they

> live together as a society. So as long as people live together in

> community,

> they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head in

> sand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activism

> is the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are never

> as 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves.

>

> We are all the products of our environment and the type of education we

> receive.

> In our country, as in others, people are given the type of education that

> supports

> the economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is a

> process of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense of

> entitlements.

> At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not take

> action.

> So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained to

> be.

> The education system was very successful. People don't research

> information.

> A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primary

> news information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of the

> facts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those who

> read independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, proved

> to be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want to

> shut down the internet's free access!

>

> As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

> What is

> going on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medical

> fascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine is

> beyond

> me except for your lack of real understanding.

>

> As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicine

> is

> the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health system

> for almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed by

> the Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health building

> protocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being

> pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyone

> read the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drug

> zyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it had

> no positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approved

> the off limits selling of this multi-billion dollar profit drug. If that

> isn't

> cynicism at work .............

>

> .And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccination

> program is

> a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An

> article read recently indicated that the government has refused to question

> the

> impact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study would

> cause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrific

> neurological,

> particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of the

> vaccines. This

> is not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedy

> Capitalism

> doing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!

>

> So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your facts

> straight and

> question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can only

> befuddle any real discussion.

>

>

>

>

> tamarque@...

>

You should also be made aware of the conspiracy of COAL/URANIUM miners,to

deprive the WORLD of the best SOLAR POWER invented so far!Catchup with ABC,s

" The new inventors " Ep.38 oct.2005,where you will see the " SOLAR-BALL " the size

of a basketball,it can power your whole house! Imagine NO

pollution,contamination,global warming,WARS over OIL! Once you have paid for

your unit,NO MORE POWER BILLS!

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for the

> emotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias without

> taking responsibility for doing just that.

>

> Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everything

> in our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The

> political social institution is simply the way people organize the way they

> live together as a society. So as long as people live together in

> community,

> they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head in

> sand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activism

> is the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are never

> as 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves.

>

> We are all the products of our environment and the type of education we

> receive.

> In our country, as in others, people are given the type of education that

> supports

> the economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is a

> process of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense of

> entitlements.

> At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not take

> action.

> So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained to

> be.

> The education system was very successful. People don't research

> information.

> A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primary

> news information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of the

> facts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those who

> read independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, proved

> to be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want to

> shut down the internet's free access!

>

> As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

> What is

> going on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medical

> fascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine is

> beyond

> me except for your lack of real understanding.

>

> As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicine

> is

> the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health system

> for almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed by

> the Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health building

> protocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being

> pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyone

> read the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drug

> zyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it had

> no positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approved

> the off limits selling of this multi-billion dollar profit drug. If that

> isn't

> cynicism at work .............

>

> .And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccination

> program is

> a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An

> article read recently indicated that the government has refused to question

> the

> impact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study would

> cause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrific

> neurological,

> particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of the

> vaccines. This

> is not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedy

> Capitalism

> doing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!

>

> So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your facts

> straight and

> question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can only

> befuddle any real discussion.

>

>

>

>

> tamarque@...

>

You should also be made aware of the conspiracy of COAL/URANIUM miners,to

deprive the WORLD of the best SOLAR POWER invented so far!Catchup with ABC,s

" The new inventors " Ep.38 oct.2005,where you will see the " SOLAR-BALL " the size

of a basketball,it can power your whole house! Imagine NO

pollution,contamination,global warming,WARS over OIL! Once you have paid for

your unit,NO MORE POWER BILLS!

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for the

> emotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias without

> taking responsibility for doing just that.

>

> Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everything

> in our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The

> political social institution is simply the way people organize the way they

> live together as a society. So as long as people live together in

> community,

> they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head in

> sand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activism

> is the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are never

> as 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves.

>

> We are all the products of our environment and the type of education we

> receive.

> In our country, as in others, people are given the type of education that

> supports

> the economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is a

> process of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense of

> entitlements.

> At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not take

> action.

> So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained to

> be.

> The education system was very successful. People don't research

> information.

> A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primary

> news information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of the

> facts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those who

> read independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, proved

> to be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want to

> shut down the internet's free access!

>

> As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

> What is

> going on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medical

> fascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine is

> beyond

> me except for your lack of real understanding.

>

> As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicine

> is

> the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health system

> for almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed by

> the Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health building

> protocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being

> pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyone

> read the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drug

> zyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it had

> no positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approved

> the off limits selling of this multi-billion dollar profit drug. If that

> isn't

> cynicism at work .............

>

> .And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccination

> program is

> a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An

> article read recently indicated that the government has refused to question

> the

> impact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study would

> cause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrific

> neurological,

> particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of the

> vaccines. This

> is not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedy

> Capitalism

> doing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!

>

> So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your facts

> straight and

> question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can only

> befuddle any real discussion.

>

>

>

>

> tamarque@...

>

You should also be made aware of the conspiracy of COAL/URANIUM miners,to

deprive the WORLD of the best SOLAR POWER invented so far!Catchup with ABC,s

" The new inventors " Ep.38 oct.2005,where you will see the " SOLAR-BALL " the size

of a basketball,it can power your whole house! Imagine NO

pollution,contamination,global warming,WARS over OIL! Once you have paid for

your unit,NO MORE POWER BILLS!

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for the

> emotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias without

> taking responsibility for doing just that.

>

> Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everything

> in our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The

> political social institution is simply the way people organize the way they

> live together as a society. So as long as people live together in

> community,

> they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head in

> sand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activism

> is the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are never

> as 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves.

>

> We are all the products of our environment and the type of education we

> receive.

> In our country, as in others, people are given the type of education that

> supports

> the economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is a

> process of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense of

> entitlements.

> At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not take

> action.

> So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained to

> be.

> The education system was very successful. People don't research

> information.

> A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primary

> news information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of the

> facts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those who

> read independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, proved

> to be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want to

> shut down the internet's free access!

>

> As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

> What is

> going on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medical

> fascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine is

> beyond

> me except for your lack of real understanding.

>

> As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicine

> is

> the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health system

> for almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed by

> the Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health building

> protocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being

> pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyone

> read the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drug

> zyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it had

> no positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approved

> the off limits selling of this multi-billion dollar profit drug. If that

> isn't

> cynicism at work .............

>

> .And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccination

> program is

> a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An

> article read recently indicated that the government has refused to question

> the

> impact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study would

> cause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrific

> neurological,

> particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of the

> vaccines. This

> is not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedy

> Capitalism

> doing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!

>

> So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your facts

> straight and

> question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can only

> befuddle any real discussion.

>

>

>

>

> tamarque@...

>

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[Guest guest]

I just have a comment on 's post. You quoted the following: " I think

socialized medicine is the only way to go. " . I just have one question for you.

Do you know what the definition is for socialized medicine? The definition for

Socialized medicine is as follows: Socialized Medicine is a term used primarly

in the US to refer to certain kinds of publicly funded health care. The term can

refer to any system of medical care that is publicly financed, government

administered, or both.

Is that what you meant? If so, I one word for you: INSANITY. You must be out of

your tree if you think that is the solution to the health care problem in the

U.S.

I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think you

crossed a line when you replied to 's post. Such harsh words.

Hosea 4:6

" My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge "

>

> ,

>

> I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for the

> emotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias without

> taking responsibility for doing just that.

>

> Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everything

> in our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The

> political social institution is simply the way people organize the way they

> live together as a society. So as long as people live together in

> community,

> they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head in

> sand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activism

> is the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are never

> as 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves.

>

> We are all the products of our environment and the type of education we

> receive.

> In our country, as in others, people are given the type of education that

> supports

> the economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is a

> process of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense of

> entitlements.

> At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not take

> action.

> So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained to

> be.

> The education system was very successful. People don't research

> information.

> A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primary

> news information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of the

> facts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those who

> read independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, proved

> to be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want to

> shut down the internet's free access!

>

> As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

> What is

> going on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medical

> fascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine is

> beyond

> me except for your lack of real understanding.

>

> As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicine

> is

> the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health system

> for almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed by

> the Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health building

> protocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being

> pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyone

> read the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drug

> zyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it had

> no positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approved

> the off limits selling of this multi-billion dollar profit drug. If that

> isn't

> cynicism at work .............

>

> .And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccination

> program is

> a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An

> article read recently indicated that the government has refused to question

> the

> impact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study would

> cause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrific

> neurological,

> particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of the

> vaccines. This

> is not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedy

> Capitalism

> doing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!

>

> So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your facts

> straight and

> question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can only

> befuddle any real discussion.

>

>

>

>

> tamarque@...

>

[Guest guest]

I just have a comment on 's post. You quoted the following: " I think

socialized medicine is the only way to go. " . I just have one question for you.

Do you know what the definition is for socialized medicine? The definition for

Socialized medicine is as follows: Socialized Medicine is a term used primarly

in the US to refer to certain kinds of publicly funded health care. The term can

refer to any system of medical care that is publicly financed, government

administered, or both.

Is that what you meant? If so, I one word for you: INSANITY. You must be out of

your tree if you think that is the solution to the health care problem in the

U.S.

I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think you

crossed a line when you replied to 's post. Such harsh words.

Hosea 4:6

" My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge "

>

> ,

>

> I am not sure that your post doesn't deserve the Pinocchio award for the

> emotional hyperbole and attempt to insert your political bias without

> taking responsibility for doing just that.

>

> Some basic definitions seem to be in order here. First of all everything

> in our public life is political and people have not choice about it. The

> political social institution is simply the way people organize the way they

> live together as a society. So as long as people live together in

> community,

> they will be political. Whether people try to play ostrich with head in

> sand or attempt to stay conscious or apply their awareness to activism

> is the choice that we make as individuals. However, our choices are never

> as 'free and independent' as we may like to credit ourselves.

>

> We are all the products of our environment and the type of education we

> receive.

> In our country, as in others, people are given the type of education that

> supports

> the economic system that exists. We are educated to not think. There is a

> process of dumbing down the public's understanding and sense of

> entitlements.

> At the very least the public is trained to follow the leader and not take

> action.

> So your cohorts are being exactly the kinds of people they were trained to

> be.

> The education system was very successful. People don't research

> information.

> A study during the invasion of Iraq showed that people who get their primary

> news information from sources like Fox 5 Tv were the most ignorant of the

> facts about that invasion. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those who

> read independent news sources such as one can find on the internet, proved

> to be the best informed people in the public. Is it any wonder they want to

> shut down the internet's free access!

>

> As for socialized medicine, I am appalled at your lack of information.

> What is

> going on in the UK is the same development that is ongoing here: medical

> fascism. How you can liken enforced vaccines to socialized medicine is

> beyond

> me except for your lack of real understanding.

>

> As for like-minded people here in this group--I think socialized medicine

> is

> the only way to go. Homeopathy has survived under the UK health system

> for almost 100 yrs. However, the fascist creep ongoing, spear-headed by

> the Codex alimentarius is supporting the attack on this real health building

> protocol and other holistic protocols. Vaccines there, as here, are being

> pushed onto people in the most unhealthy and cynical manner. Has anyone

> read the article on Bloomberg.com (6-12-09) that describes the Lilly drug

> zyprexa being sold to senior citizens for dementia when they knew it had

> no positive impact and is responsible for deaths? But the FDA approved

> the off limits selling of this multi-billion dollar profit drug. If that

> isn't

> cynicism at work .............

>

> .And everyone on this list seems to agree that the enforced vaccination

> program is

> a form of corporate, via the government, coercion and medical fascism. An

> article read recently indicated that the government has refused to question

> the

> impact of numerous vaccines, given many at a time because a real study would

> cause the program to falter once the public got wind of the horrific

> neurological,

> particularly brain damage that is caused by the ingredients of the

> vaccines. This

> is not socialized medicine at work--it is good old self-centered, greedy

> Capitalism

> doing exactly what that economic system does best--STEAL!

>

> So, please when you start to rail against socialism, get your facts

> straight and

> question your belief/prejudice systems before making comments that can only

> befuddle any real discussion.

>

>

>

>

> tamarque@...

>

[Guest guest]

,

I apologize that I got a bit emotional with my last posting to this group. I don't have the opportunity to take part nearly as much as I'd like in here.

I am also sorry that you deduced so much from my e-mail that was not there. E-mails are basically just words, but emotions can, indeed, be portrayed through words-- and emotions can cause false assumptions to be made, especially when one doesn't fully agree with what the first party emotionally presented.

I know nothing about you personally, , except that, like me, you are against forced vaccinations-- at least I am assuming that because of your membership on this list.

It can be hurtful, to think that, not knowing me except for what I shared in my e-mail here, you assume the only place I get my information is from Fox News. We do not have cable or satellite in our home-- we do not watch tv. Nor is our radio on much. Shall I defend where I do my research? I don't know if that will matter at all-- besides, I'll say it again, this is not a political forum.

We homeschool. We work hard to educate our children so that they will know for themselves the freedoms they will need to defend, as we are working so hard to preserve them today.

I have studied and used homeopathy for years in my family-- it is my first medical choice. This is where my biggest worries lie-- the gov't's influence by the pharmaceuticals, etc. and what this influence will result in, once the gov't manages to take health care out of our hands here. Yes, homeopathy has been used successfully not only in the UK but throughout Europe. That is not under the threat of being taken away there as I predict it will be here, under a government-controlled health care system.

I have a son with autism I know he got as a result of vaccinations. Homeopathy has brought him very far in his comeback. But he still requires a lot of my time.

You seem also to assume that I don't know socialism. My dear, I have lived in two countries besides the United States, both of which run under socialism. I have seen it in practise first-hand. This is not what the United States was built on-- it is what it was built against. The very words of our Founding Fathers confirm this.

In short, I have studied vaccines-- read documents from all sides of this issue (the only way conclusions can be drawn fairly). I have drawn my conclusion that I want no part of these, for myself or for my family. This is why I joined this list-- to be among like-minded people, to learn from you, to share with you, to feel companionship and strength when things happen. I hope not to convey such emotion when I have a chance to post again. I meant not to offend anyone.

This is all I will say here.

- Lemmon

[Guest guest]

,

I apologize that I got a bit emotional with my last posting to this group. I don't have the opportunity to take part nearly as much as I'd like in here.

I am also sorry that you deduced so much from my e-mail that was not there. E-mails are basically just words, but emotions can, indeed, be portrayed through words-- and emotions can cause false assumptions to be made, especially when one doesn't fully agree with what the first party emotionally presented.

I know nothing about you personally, , except that, like me, you are against forced vaccinations-- at least I am assuming that because of your membership on this list.

It can be hurtful, to think that, not knowing me except for what I shared in my e-mail here, you assume the only place I get my information is from Fox News. We do not have cable or satellite in our home-- we do not watch tv. Nor is our radio on much. Shall I defend where I do my research? I don't know if that will matter at all-- besides, I'll say it again, this is not a political forum.

We homeschool. We work hard to educate our children so that they will know for themselves the freedoms they will need to defend, as we are working so hard to preserve them today.

I have studied and used homeopathy for years in my family-- it is my first medical choice. This is where my biggest worries lie-- the gov't's influence by the pharmaceuticals, etc. and what this influence will result in, once the gov't manages to take health care out of our hands here. Yes, homeopathy has been used successfully not only in the UK but throughout Europe. That is not under the threat of being taken away there as I predict it will be here, under a government-controlled health care system.

I have a son with autism I know he got as a result of vaccinations. Homeopathy has brought him very far in his comeback. But he still requires a lot of my time.

You seem also to assume that I don't know socialism. My dear, I have lived in two countries besides the United States, both of which run under socialism. I have seen it in practise first-hand. This is not what the United States was built on-- it is what it was built against. The very words of our Founding Fathers confirm this.

In short, I have studied vaccines-- read documents from all sides of this issue (the only way conclusions can be drawn fairly). I have drawn my conclusion that I want no part of these, for myself or for my family. This is why I joined this list-- to be among like-minded people, to learn from you, to share with you, to feel companionship and strength when things happen. I hope not to convey such emotion when I have a chance to post again. I meant not to offend anyone.

This is all I will say here.

- Lemmon

[Guest guest]

Lemmon wrote:

>

>

> ,

>

> I apologize that I got a bit emotional with my last posting to this

> group. I don't have the opportunity to take part nearly as much as

> I'd like in here.

>

> I am also sorry that you deduced so much from my e-mail that was not

> there. E-mails are basically just words, but emotions can, indeed, be

> portrayed through words-- and emotions can cause false assumptions to

> be made, especially when one doesn't fully agree with what the first

> party emotionally presented.

>

> I know nothing about you personally, , except that, like me, you

> are against forced vaccinations-- at least I am assuming that because

> of your membership on this list.

>

> It can be hurtful, to think that, not knowing me except for what I

> shared in my e-mail here, you assume the only place I get my

> information is from Fox News. We do not have cable or satellite in

> our home-- we do not watch tv. Nor is our radio on much. Shall I

> defend where I do my research? I don't know if that will matter at

> all-- besides, I'll say it again, this is not a political forum.

>

> We homeschool. We work hard to educate our children so that they will

> know for themselves the freedoms they will need to defend, as we are

> working so hard to preserve them today.

>

> I have studied and used homeopathy for years in my family-- it is my

> first medical choice. This is where my biggest worries lie-- the

> gov't's influence by the pharmaceuticals, etc. and what this influence

> will result in, once the gov't manages to take health care out of our

> hands here. Yes, homeopathy has been used successfully not only in

> the UK but throughout Europe. That is not under the threat of being

> taken away there as I predict it will be here, under a

> government-controlled health care system.

>

> I have a son with autism I know he got as a result of vaccinations.

> Homeopathy has brought him very far in his comeback. But he still

> requires a lot of my time.

>

> You seem also to assume that I don't know socialism. My dear, I have

> lived in two countries besides the United States, both of which run

> under socialism. I have seen it in practise first-hand. This is not

> what the United States was built on-- it is what it was built

> against. The very words of our Founding Fathers confirm this.

>

> In short, I have studied vaccines-- read documents from all sides of

> this issue (the only way conclusions can be drawn fairly). I have

> drawn my conclusion that I want no part of these, for myself or for my

> family. This is why I joined this list-- to be among like-minded

> people, to learn from you, to share with you, to feel companionship

> and strength when things happen. I hope not to convey such emotion

> when I have a chance to post again. I meant not to offend anyone.

>

> This is all I will say here.

>

> - Lemmon

>

>

In this environment we are all a bit sensitive!

[Guest guest]

Lemmon wrote:

>

>

> ,

>

> I apologize that I got a bit emotional with my last posting to this

> group. I don't have the opportunity to take part nearly as much as

> I'd like in here.

>

> I am also sorry that you deduced so much from my e-mail that was not

> there. E-mails are basically just words, but emotions can, indeed, be

> portrayed through words-- and emotions can cause false assumptions to

> be made, especially when one doesn't fully agree with what the first

> party emotionally presented.

>

> I know nothing about you personally, , except that, like me, you

> are against forced vaccinations-- at least I am assuming that because

> of your membership on this list.

>

> It can be hurtful, to think that, not knowing me except for what I

> shared in my e-mail here, you assume the only place I get my

> information is from Fox News. We do not have cable or satellite in

> our home-- we do not watch tv. Nor is our radio on much. Shall I

> defend where I do my research? I don't know if that will matter at

> all-- besides, I'll say it again, this is not a political forum.

>

> We homeschool. We work hard to educate our children so that they will

> know for themselves the freedoms they will need to defend, as we are

> working so hard to preserve them today.

>

> I have studied and used homeopathy for years in my family-- it is my

> first medical choice. This is where my biggest worries lie-- the

> gov't's influence by the pharmaceuticals, etc. and what this influence

> will result in, once the gov't manages to take health care out of our

> hands here. Yes, homeopathy has been used successfully not only in

> the UK but throughout Europe. That is not under the threat of being

> taken away there as I predict it will be here, under a

> government-controlled health care system.

>

> I have a son with autism I know he got as a result of vaccinations.

> Homeopathy has brought him very far in his comeback. But he still

> requires a lot of my time.

>

> You seem also to assume that I don't know socialism. My dear, I have

> lived in two countries besides the United States, both of which run

> under socialism. I have seen it in practise first-hand. This is not

> what the United States was built on-- it is what it was built

> against. The very words of our Founding Fathers confirm this.

>

> In short, I have studied vaccines-- read documents from all sides of

> this issue (the only way conclusions can be drawn fairly). I have

> drawn my conclusion that I want no part of these, for myself or for my

> family. This is why I joined this list-- to be among like-minded

> people, to learn from you, to share with you, to feel companionship

> and strength when things happen. I hope not to convey such emotion

> when I have a chance to post again. I meant not to offend anyone.

>

> This is all I will say here.

>

> - Lemmon

>

>

In this environment we are all a bit sensitive!

[Guest guest]

Lemmon wrote:

>

>

> ,

>

> I apologize that I got a bit emotional with my last posting to this

> group. I don't have the opportunity to take part nearly as much as

> I'd like in here.

>

> I am also sorry that you deduced so much from my e-mail that was not

> there. E-mails are basically just words, but emotions can, indeed, be

> portrayed through words-- and emotions can cause false assumptions to

> be made, especially when one doesn't fully agree with what the first

> party emotionally presented.

>

> I know nothing about you personally, , except that, like me, you

> are against forced vaccinations-- at least I am assuming that because

> of your membership on this list.

>

> It can be hurtful, to think that, not knowing me except for what I

> shared in my e-mail here, you assume the only place I get my

> information is from Fox News. We do not have cable or satellite in

> our home-- we do not watch tv. Nor is our radio on much. Shall I

> defend where I do my research? I don't know if that will matter at

> all-- besides, I'll say it again, this is not a political forum.

>

> We homeschool. We work hard to educate our children so that they will

> know for themselves the freedoms they will need to defend, as we are

> working so hard to preserve them today.

>

> I have studied and used homeopathy for years in my family-- it is my

> first medical choice. This is where my biggest worries lie-- the

> gov't's influence by the pharmaceuticals, etc. and what this influence

> will result in, once the gov't manages to take health care out of our

> hands here. Yes, homeopathy has been used successfully not only in

> the UK but throughout Europe. That is not under the threat of being

> taken away there as I predict it will be here, under a

> government-controlled health care system.

>

> I have a son with autism I know he got as a result of vaccinations.

> Homeopathy has brought him very far in his comeback. But he still

> requires a lot of my time.

>

> You seem also to assume that I don't know socialism. My dear, I have

> lived in two countries besides the United States, both of which run

> under socialism. I have seen it in practise first-hand. This is not

> what the United States was built on-- it is what it was built

> against. The very words of our Founding Fathers confirm this.

>

> In short, I have studied vaccines-- read documents from all sides of

> this issue (the only way conclusions can be drawn fairly). I have

> drawn my conclusion that I want no part of these, for myself or for my

> family. This is why I joined this list-- to be among like-minded

> people, to learn from you, to share with you, to feel companionship

> and strength when things happen. I hope not to convey such emotion

> when I have a chance to post again. I meant not to offend anyone.

>

> This is all I will say here.

>

> - Lemmon

>

>

In this environment we are all a bit sensitive!