Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

June 27, 2009

It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they

make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require

them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control

over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our

Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

-dee

June 27, 2009

It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they

make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require

them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control

over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our

Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

-dee

June 27, 2009

you have to take a vaccine to leave the country???

I missed that one and/or they didn't stick me.

did you mean something else?

Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

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June 27, 2009

you have to take a vaccine to leave the country???

I missed that one and/or they didn't stick me.

did you mean something else?

Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

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there are places that you are required to take shots. yellow fever is a travel vaccine. i do not know if the religious exemption counts for that too.From: augiept@...

you have to take a vaccine to leave the country???

I missed that one and/or they didn't stick me.

did you mean something else?

Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

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there are places that you are required to take shots. yellow fever is a travel vaccine. i do not know if the religious exemption counts for that too.From: augiept@...

you have to take a vaccine to leave the country???

I missed that one and/or they didn't stick me.

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Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

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so it's not the leaving of the country that is the issue...it's the WHERE you are going

to that is important?!?

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so it's not the leaving of the country that is the issue...it's the WHERE you are going

to that is important?!?

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June 27, 2009

Some places do not require vaccinations, such as Thailand, New Zealand, Canada (well, up to now; three months ago when I did my research they said it was unconstitutional to mandate shots), Australia, and Costa Rica (all as of a few months ago, when I looked into tihis).

From: Karin halvorson <karintompkins@...>Subject: RE: Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines"no forced vaccinations" <no-forced-vaccination >Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 3:16 PM

there are places that you are required to take shots. yellow fever is a travel vaccine. i do not know if the religious exemption counts for that too.

From: augieptaol (DOT) com

you have to take a vaccine to leave the country???

I missed that one and/or they didn't stick me.

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Some places do not require vaccinations, such as Thailand, New Zealand, Canada (well, up to now; three months ago when I did my research they said it was unconstitutional to mandate shots), Australia, and Costa Rica (all as of a few months ago, when I looked into tihis).

From: Karin halvorson <karintompkins@...>Subject: RE: Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines"no forced vaccinations" <no-forced-vaccination >Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 3:16 PM

there are places that you are required to take shots. yellow fever is a travel vaccine. i do not know if the religious exemption counts for that too.

From: augieptaol (DOT) com

you have to take a vaccine to leave the country???

I missed that one and/or they didn't stick me.

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It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?-dee

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Peurto Rico has mandatory vaccination laws already. In fact, they don't have

exemptions at all as I read. Now I could be totally wrong there, just what I

read when I looked up vaccination law for there.

And if Canada is planning to do this...I am sure most other places will too,

since Canada's constitution forbids mandatory vaccination..but yet there appears

an article saying they are going to do this too.

Yes, is there an organization?? I'd join and write letters...

who would be the most effective to contact and write too in our states?

>

> It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they

make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require

them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control

over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

>

> There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our

Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

> -dee

>

June 27, 2009

Peurto Rico has mandatory vaccination laws already. In fact, they don't have

exemptions at all as I read. Now I could be totally wrong there, just what I

read when I looked up vaccination law for there.

And if Canada is planning to do this...I am sure most other places will too,

since Canada's constitution forbids mandatory vaccination..but yet there appears

an article saying they are going to do this too.

Yes, is there an organization?? I'd join and write letters...

who would be the most effective to contact and write too in our states?

>

> It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they

make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require

them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control

over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

>

> There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our

Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

> -dee

>

June 27, 2009

I had read that they are recommended but not required for travel....but

again...don't quote me.

I am wondering what those of us who don't have a pot of money sitting around to

leave the country are going to do.

>

> there are places that you are required to take shots. yellow fever is a

travel vaccine. i do not know if the religious exemption counts for that too.

>

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>

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>

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I had read that they are recommended but not required for travel....but

again...don't quote me.

I am wondering what those of us who don't have a pot of money sitting around to

leave the country are going to do.

>

> there are places that you are required to take shots. yellow fever is a

travel vaccine. i do not know if the religious exemption counts for that too.

>

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>

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Although I have not checked, my gut hunch is that much of this has changed within the last three months. I suspect that Canada and possibly Australia are considering mandating vaccinations and may have already done so. If any one has done more recent research into this, it might be worth posting. ~~Ruth

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Although I have not checked, my gut hunch is that much of this has changed within the last three months. I suspect that Canada and possibly Australia are considering mandating vaccinations and may have already done so. If any one has done more recent research into this, it might be worth posting. ~~Ruth

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i will be punished and not take it. From: mercurybabies2@...

I had read that they are recommended but not required for travel....but again...don't quote me.

I am wondering what those of us who don't have a pot of money sitting around to leave the country are going to do.

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i will be punished and not take it. From: mercurybabies2@...

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June 28, 2009

I am glad we are having this discussion.

To answer the last question first, yes, the Natural Solutions Foundation is

asking you all to go to our home page, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org and take the

Action Step at the top of the list on the right hand side,

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275, to

demand the right to self quarantine as opposed to being forced to either take

the vaccine OR accept quarantine for an indefinite period.

Then get all your contacts to do the same, taking this concept viral.

Next, Puerto Rico IS part of the US so going there is not leaving the country.

Next, most of the places that you go to outside of the country do not make you

take vaccines to get there. For example, although Ghana would like you to have a

yellow fever shot, when I presented my application for a visa to their consulate

along with my exemption letter, they approved the visa without an injection.

The same is true for most countries: there are few vaccine requirements for

travel to most places in the world

I personally did not leave the US because of the vaccine threat, but I

certainly would: there is no way of knowing what is in the vaccine against the

bioengineered Swine Flu - since there is no reason to give a vaccine other than

money or population control, why would I take one?

I distrust both the government's " Health " policies and the pharmaceutical

interests profoundly.

I will not accept incarcertaion, nor will I accept mandatory vacciation.

It seems to me that we have exactly two choices here:

1. accept the vaccine or incarceration (totally unacceptable) or

2. Demand, yes, demand, the right to self-shield in the event that a Pandemic

Flu Vaccine is made mandatory.

Now would be the time to take Option No. 2 --BEFORE Baxter or the other drug

companies actualy have their vaccine ready and it is coming at us in a syringe

with a gun behind it.

Think it cannot happen in the US? Think again.

This week Obama made it quite clear that he is about to issue and extra legal

Executive Order for " Prolonged preventive detention " . What might you have to do

to be detained indefinitely without any legal proceedings? Oh, maybe refuse

vaccines. Maybe have " terrorist sympathies " which, perhaps, the out-of-control

government will decide are really the same thing.

You see, what we are talking about is the redefinition of your personal rights

into dust unless we take charge of what we want and make sure that we get it.

I cannot urge you in any stronger terms- this IS your battle, it IS you greatest

fight and probably the most important battle you will ever wage.Your First

Freedom.

Go to http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275

and take the action step now, then viralize it.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

> >

> > It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they

make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require

them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control

over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

> >

> > There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our

Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

> > -dee

> >

>

June 28, 2009

I am glad we are having this discussion.

To answer the last question first, yes, the Natural Solutions Foundation is

asking you all to go to our home page, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org and take the

Action Step at the top of the list on the right hand side,

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275, to

demand the right to self quarantine as opposed to being forced to either take

the vaccine OR accept quarantine for an indefinite period.

Then get all your contacts to do the same, taking this concept viral.

Next, Puerto Rico IS part of the US so going there is not leaving the country.

Next, most of the places that you go to outside of the country do not make you

take vaccines to get there. For example, although Ghana would like you to have a

yellow fever shot, when I presented my application for a visa to their consulate

along with my exemption letter, they approved the visa without an injection.

The same is true for most countries: there are few vaccine requirements for

travel to most places in the world

I personally did not leave the US because of the vaccine threat, but I

certainly would: there is no way of knowing what is in the vaccine against the

bioengineered Swine Flu - since there is no reason to give a vaccine other than

money or population control, why would I take one?

I distrust both the government's " Health " policies and the pharmaceutical

interests profoundly.

I will not accept incarcertaion, nor will I accept mandatory vacciation.

It seems to me that we have exactly two choices here:

1. accept the vaccine or incarceration (totally unacceptable) or

2. Demand, yes, demand, the right to self-shield in the event that a Pandemic

Flu Vaccine is made mandatory.

Now would be the time to take Option No. 2 --BEFORE Baxter or the other drug

companies actualy have their vaccine ready and it is coming at us in a syringe

with a gun behind it.

Think it cannot happen in the US? Think again.

This week Obama made it quite clear that he is about to issue and extra legal

Executive Order for " Prolonged preventive detention " . What might you have to do

to be detained indefinitely without any legal proceedings? Oh, maybe refuse

vaccines. Maybe have " terrorist sympathies " which, perhaps, the out-of-control

government will decide are really the same thing.

You see, what we are talking about is the redefinition of your personal rights

into dust unless we take charge of what we want and make sure that we get it.

I cannot urge you in any stronger terms- this IS your battle, it IS you greatest

fight and probably the most important battle you will ever wage.Your First

Freedom.

Go to http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275

and take the action step now, then viralize it.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

> >

> > It sounds good in theory, but everyone knows when you leave the country they

make you take vaccines. It would have to be somewhere where they don't require

them...like the Bahamas (versus somewhere like Africa) Would the US have control

over Puerto Rico regarding enforcement of taking the flu vaccine?

> >

> > There is strength in numbers. Has anyone organized to address our

Representatives NOW to allow us the freedom to choose self-quarantine?

> > -dee

> >

>

June 28, 2009

My question would be, why do we have to obey laws made by criminals? Contacting our representative? Our representatives and senators have followed along like sheep, the "leaders" being the WHO, UN, CDC, FDA, HHS, etc., etc. Every agency simply lies their way out of senate "hearings", or won't even testify; the committee hearings are a joke. Nothing is ever done at those hearings or afterward. Therefore, the U.S. government has basically agreed to go along with mass murder, which criminalizes them and their laws.

June 28, 2009

My question would be, why do we have to obey laws made by criminals? Contacting our representative? Our representatives and senators have followed along like sheep, the "leaders" being the WHO, UN, CDC, FDA, HHS, etc., etc. Every agency simply lies their way out of senate "hearings", or won't even testify; the committee hearings are a joke. Nothing is ever done at those hearings or afterward. Therefore, the U.S. government has basically agreed to go along with mass murder, which criminalizes them and their laws.

June 28, 2009

because presently the criminals are in power.

Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

My question would be, why do we have to obey laws made by criminals?Â Contacting our representative?Â Our representatives and senators have followed along like sheep, the "leaders" being theÂ WHO, UN, CDC,Â FDA, HHS, etc., etc.Â Every agency simply lies their way out of senateÂ "hearings", or won't even testify; the committee hearings are a joke.Â Nothing is ever done at those hearings or afterward.Â Therefore, the U.S. government has basically agreed to go along with mass murder, which criminalizes them and their laws.Â

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June 28, 2009

because presently the criminals are in power.

Re: Leaving the country to avoid vaccines

My question would be, why do we have to obey laws made by criminals?Â Contacting our representative?Â Our representatives and senators have followed along like sheep, the "leaders" being theÂ WHO, UN, CDC,Â FDA, HHS, etc., etc.Â Every agency simply lies their way out of senateÂ "hearings", or won't even testify; the committee hearings are a joke.Â Nothing is ever done at those hearings or afterward.Â Therefore, the U.S. government has basically agreed to go along with mass murder, which criminalizes them and their laws.Â

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