Guest guest Posted June 25, 2000 Report Share Posted June 25, 2000 Hi Harold, I was in contact with a lady whose husband had PC. We emailed one another on a different cancer board that is now no longer in service. Like you, our family has been taking " Greens " for a long time, and I still take them. However, our daughter does not anymore. She emailed me excerpts from a few studies that showed that the breakdown of alfalfa in our system had a negative impact (to a certain extent) on NK (natural killer cell) activity. I'd be lying if I told you anything further - I just do not remember the specifics. Additionally, I remember reading (recently) something about alfalfa potentially interfering with a supplement (again, I do not remember which one (IP-6, CoQ10, laetrile ????) that has been shown to weaken cancer cell membranes. Obviously, weakening cancer cell membranes is good - preventing this from happening is, well, bad. I am truly sorry I do not remember the specific information for you. The past six months have been an endless pursuit of information for alternative supplements and treatments for our daughter to compliment her chemo. However, it has been overwhelming and it is hard to remember all the facts. Good luck, and best wishes! If I come accross anything, I will immediately contact you. Bell Alfalfa > > Dear Friend Bell: > " Having said that, Greens+ contains Alfalfa. > Numerous > recent studies (the > most recent from s Hopkins Cancer Centre), > have > shown that Alfalfa is an > absolute no-no (for lack of a better phrase) for > cancer patients. " Tha above statement is out of > your letter. I have been trying to find any > reference to alfalfa being an absolute no no for > cancer patients. I have been using a green drink > , Green Magma, for a long time which does not have > alfalfa in it but have recently switched to one > that contains it. The information you have given > me makes me want to switch back. I have been > searching archives of john hopkins cancer center > but have been unable to find anything mentioning > the subject. You said " Numerous, recent studies " > Would you please give me the name of any of those > studies. I hve lymphoma and want to learn as much > as I can, as soon as I can > Harold > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Air purifiers, bedding, household cleaning & more! gazoontite.com! > 1/5492/13/_/378/_/961972057/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2000 Report Share Posted June 25, 2000 Hi, Because of the last two statements in this message, I will give an account that is very recent. About 12 weeks ago a 15 year old girl in our area was diagnosed with non Hodgkins Lymphoma. She weighed about 150 lbs. She had two lumps on her neck and a mass in her chest. The doctors immediately started her on chemo. Which one I have no idea. At the same time they learned of flaxseed oil from a friend of ours who has business relationships with her father. Her father immediately started her on six tablespoons of flaxseed oil in a cup of cottage cheese per day. Within two weeks the lumps were gone and the chest tumor reduced by 42%. Three weeks or so later there was only a shadow on the x-rays. About three weeks ago there no detectable cancer cells. The doctors are very pleased with the results of the chemo and her parents and she are ecstatic about the flaxseed oil. They never told the doctors they were doing that which may be a mistake. Cliff Alfalfa > >Dear Friend Bell: > " Having said that, Greens+ contains Alfalfa. >Numerous >recent studies (the >most recent from s Hopkins Cancer Centre), >have >shown that Alfalfa is an >absolute no-no (for lack of a better phrase) for >cancer patients. " Tha above statement is out of >your letter. I have been trying to find any >reference to alfalfa being an absolute no no for >cancer patients. I have been using a green drink >, Green Magma, for a long time which does not have >alfalfa in it but have recently switched to one >that contains it. The information you have given >me makes me want to switch back. I have been >searching archives of john hopkins cancer center >but have been unable to find anything mentioning >the subject. You said " Numerous, recent studies " >Would you please give me the name of any of those >studies. I hve lymphoma and want to learn as much >as I can, as soon as I can >Harold > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Air purifiers, bedding, household cleaning & more! gazoontite.com! >1/5492/13/_/378/_/961972057/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 I freely admit that I don't know everything there is to know about this diet or any diet, or any subject, for that matter. what I do know is that to diagnose somebody that you have never seen is difficult at best. Are there generalities? Of course. But do we know for sure? I doubt it. ;-) Ellen Alfalfa >> Assuming that Carolyn's nutritionist knows more about her general and >> specific health than we do... > > But possibly less about the science behind food and blood type right? > >> and she is benefitting from the specific health >> benefits of alfalfa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Alfalfa >> Assuming that Carolyn's nutritionist knows more about her general and >> specific health than we do... > > But possibly less about the science behind food and blood type right? Since the nutritionist was the one that pointed her at the blood type diet, quiet possible he or she *does* know about the science. I surely wouldn't want to put money on it. ;-) Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 My, what controversy. My nutritionist does know the science behind the meal plan, and actually follows it herself (and is an O). The alfalfa is meant to help with fatigue and general achiness. So far, so good. What does alfalfa do to an O that makes it an avoid? If it can be explained, perhaps I can pass that along to her. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 You mentioned needing reasons. Did you see these reasons before you answered? I know I seem to get some of my e-mails later, which makes me wonder what the conversation is about at times, until I get the key e-mail that started it, or go back to e-grops and find out what I haven't received yet. Some reasons alfalfa does not suit carnivores like cats (and type O's are like carnivores): * It contains cyanogenic glycosides and carnivores tend to have less ability in the liver to break down and detoxify these - especially from raw alfalfa. If not broken down these are cyanide producing compounds, and cause indigestion, vomiting, abdominal pain and/or diarrhea. In cats alfalfa also causes birth defects, undersize offspring, poor condition in general, and hair falling out. (Yet it is in a lot of cat foods!) * It contains Coumarin glycosides and Saponic glycoside. (As type O bleeds too easily to start with, why add a coumarin compound to aggravate that.) * It alkalizes the body, making meat harder to digest as type O needs their acid for digestion. Re: Alfalfa > > My, what controversy. > > My nutritionist does know the science behind the meal plan, and actually > follows it herself (and is an O). > > The alfalfa is meant to help with fatigue and general achiness. So far, so > good. > > What does alfalfa do to an O that makes it an avoid? If it can be > explained, perhaps I can pass that along to her. > > Carolyn > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Ellen wrote: > what I do know is that to diagnose somebody that you have never seen is > difficult at best. Oh I agree Ellen. I would not presume to diagnose. I do not do that even in my work as a homeopath. My information on alfalfa had nothing to do with diagnosis however, only to do with potential toxicity and nutrient content. Those are quite separate from diagnosis and the information could be worth considering in any diagnosis. A diagnosis is merely a decision about what disease exists. The handling/treatment of the disease is a separate issue and for this, some information about alfalfa may be relevant to consider. It never hurts to have extra information towards deciding on a course of action. Nor in my opinion does it hurt to play safe when a substance may do more harm than good as shown by research which the doctor or nutritionist may not have known about before. So it's information offered for consideration in that light - it's not " diagnosis " and it's not " treatment " . > Are there generalities? Of course. What I posted was more than generality as it applied specifically to alfalfa and the substances it contains. > But do we know for sure? I doubt it. If we do not know for sure whether alfalfa does harm, but the research suggests that is does and proves it is 70% of type O's - is that not worth considering? I'd want to know about that *information* if it were me, and my nutritionist would also want to know. (If she did not, I'd change to one who did!) Maybe Carolyn's nutritionist knows something we do not - but if she has this additional information she can combine what she knows with this potentially new info and *then* make a more informed decision for her client than can be made without the extra information. So extra information can only be a benefit. That would be my perspective, as well as the one that people are responsible for their own health care - not their doctors and nutritionists. The doctors and nutritionists are advisors who we hope have more infromation than we do but who are *not* responsible for the result. We as individuals are responsible for our health: It's a hard lesson some of us have not yet learned. Personally I have been learning this the hard way. Doctors do not know what is best for me in all cases, and I consider all their advice and look into it to see how well it fits for me. If I followed their advice blindly I'd have been dead long ago. I do not blame them - they do their best - but this is *my* health and that posessive pronoun " my " is really important - it is also *my* responsibility to do the best I can about it, bearing in mind I know things about me that the doctors do not. It's becuase I *need* to look after my health, and not rely on doctors that I tend to look up details of what works how more than most. Information is a very valuable tool - as valuable as any stethoscope or MRI machine. But it's a tool - not a diagnosis or treatment. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Hi Carolyn - there is no controversy. According to , Alfalfa is an avoid for O types. Alfalfa is an immune system stimulant. That is the last thing an O needs! Os already have an overacting immune system. That is like giving ma huang to someone with ADD. The reason why one would use alfalfa is due to its high potassium sodium content. Sure it may be " " so far so good " " but there is a reason why it is an avoid. Consuming it daily will harm you more in the long run. Switch to chlorella or make your own organic carrot/celery juice. Guaranteed that your aches will go away. As far as your ND is concerned - there is a well known MD in the DC area who is listed on 's site under " practitioners " who puts EVERYONE on a vegetarian diet. I can see people playing around with macronutrient ratios.. Hay I know I do! But to use an Avoid like Alfalfa when you can use Chlorella which is Beneficial - I don't see the wisdom behind it. M2C <<My, what controversy. The alfalfa is meant to help with fatigue and general achiness. >> ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Ask Dr. D'Adamo ALFALFA AND TYPE O http://www.dadamo.com/ask/ask2.pl?20040507.txt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 What is Harmonia? RE: Alfalfa Hi Carolyn - there is no controversy. According to , Alfalfa is an avoid for O types. Alfalfa is an immune system stimulant. That is the last thing an O needs! Os already have an overacting immune system. That is like giving ma huang to someone with ADD. The reason why one would use alfalfa is due to its high potassium sodium content. Sure it may be " " so far so good " " but there is a reason why it is an avoid. Consuming it daily will harm you more in the long run. Switch to chlorella or make your own organic carrot/celery juice. Guaranteed that your aches will go away. As far as your ND is concerned - there is a well known MD in the DC area who is listed on 's site under " practitioners " who puts EVERYONE on a vegetarian diet. I can see people playing around with macronutrient ratios.. Hay I know I do! But to use an Avoid like Alfalfa when you can use Chlorella which is Beneficial - I don't see the wisdom behind it. M2C <<My, what controversy. The alfalfa is meant to help with fatigue and general achiness. >> ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 NAP's green drink. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Alfalfa What is Harmonia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 I wrote to my nutritionist to ask her about the alfalfa she recommends, and this is what she replied: >Yes, I'm aware that Alfalfa is not for us O's. >I keep it in the program to balance the level of electrolytes, as it is >the best ratio to do so. /and it works... I've not had any problems with it, nor has she, nor has she run into any problems with it in her clients. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 >>Yes I am aware that alfalfa is not for us Os, but I haven't had any problems with it.<< if it stimulates the O immune system which is already overactive - how would she know that it is not causing any problems? Listen Carolyn - it is your hard earned money that you give this person, and ultimately it is your health that will suffer from it, so I shouldn't even say anything, but I'll tell you that she would NEVER see my money. Ever! There are other ways to balance the electrolyte level. M2c ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Alfalfa I wrote to my nutritionist to ask her about the alfalfa she recommends, and this is what she replied: >Yes, I'm aware that Alfalfa is not for us O's. >I keep it in the program to balance the level of electrolytes, as it is >the best ratio to do so. /and it works... I've not had any problems with it, nor has she, nor has she run into any problems with it in her clients. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hi Mark, I buy everything from Sprout People. Steve --- " mhorina@... " <mhorina@...> wrote: > >but they should not be able to dogmatically press > it on others or > >even worse, make money off of it. > > >Steve in St. Louis > > > Hello Steve in St. Louis, > > Do you know of any retail sources of Alfalfa seeds > in St. Louis? I am having trouble finding a supply? > > Mark (Foley MO) > _____________________________________________________________ > Dreaming of getting away? Click here for an island > experience in Hawaii. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nKLOYuUzcE9BDYIm28a3YAQrHPyHc\ vizFDvyMh1XcJ7lzUv/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I also get all my sprouting seeds, nuts, beans from Sproutpeople.com I have plentiful crops and an assurance that what is labeled organic, is. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Is one of the most nutritious foods known to man and I juice it and consume it fresh from the field. I believe it can help undo the damage vaccines do to us. Kraulik , Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Is one of the most nutritious foods known to man and I juice it and consume it fresh from the field. I believe it can help undo the damage vaccines do to us. Kraulik , Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yes, a great food - but - people who think they can escape the jab unharmed are smoking something. Nutrients enable healing. Healing is a slow process. It is not a shield. The only shield is to refuse the jab.KirkFrom: Kraulik <tarzanhomecash@...>Subject: alfalfano-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:47 PM Is one of the most nutritious foods known to man and I juice it and consume it fresh from the field. I believe it can help undo the damage vaccines do to us. Kraulik , Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Yes, a great food - but - people who think they can escape the jab unharmed are smoking something. Nutrients enable healing. Healing is a slow process. It is not a shield. The only shield is to refuse the jab.KirkFrom: Kraulik <tarzanhomecash@...>Subject: alfalfano-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 11:47 PM Is one of the most nutritious foods known to man and I juice it and consume it fresh from the field. I believe it can help undo the damage vaccines do to us. Kraulik , Minnesota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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