Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help > people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing > voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. My Grandmother has the " sight " . She could comunicate with people who had past. In Scotland, where I lived everyone knew Maggie, and her gift. They came to her when they needed help and she gave it. They seemed happy with her answers and her help. So I guess she was Schizophrenic? Maggs. __________________________________ - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 > > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. > > Gab ** Gab, schizophrenia was dealt with successfully without drugs a long time ago in this country. Unfortunately, this did not please Big Pharma. They stepped in and had the NIMH stop the project and discredit the very well-respected Chief of the Center for Studies of Schizophrenia, National Institutes of Mental Health who ran a successful project for years with NIMH money. http://www.moshersoteria.com/index.htm Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 > > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. > > Gab ** Gab, schizophrenia was dealt with successfully without drugs a long time ago in this country. Unfortunately, this did not please Big Pharma. They stepped in and had the NIMH stop the project and discredit the very well-respected Chief of the Center for Studies of Schizophrenia, National Institutes of Mental Health who ran a successful project for years with NIMH money. http://www.moshersoteria.com/index.htm Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't think a therapist can do anything to help someone with a neurological disorder except to help them accept that they have it and how to deal with living with it. Back in the 70's some psych major told me that if I decided not to have seizures, I wouldn't have them. Yeah. Right. I do believe that it is the therapist duty to encourage people to make sure they have complete physical examinations, including blood tests, MRIs and EEGs or whatever it takes to rule out diagnosable neurological/physiological disorders. Depression can be as simple as hypothyroidism. Allergies can cause behavioral disorders, especially for children. Learning disabilities can cause children to act in ways that teachers believe they are " mentally ill " . Wanna guess how many kids with absence seizures are teacher diagnosed as ADD because they " won't pay attention " ? Friend of mine has a son with leisons on the brain which they know are causing him multiple daily absence seizures yet he is repeatedly disciplined by the teacher for not paying attention. -- In SSRI medications , Gabdud@a... wrote: > > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't think a therapist can do anything to help someone with a neurological disorder except to help them accept that they have it and how to deal with living with it. Back in the 70's some psych major told me that if I decided not to have seizures, I wouldn't have them. Yeah. Right. I do believe that it is the therapist duty to encourage people to make sure they have complete physical examinations, including blood tests, MRIs and EEGs or whatever it takes to rule out diagnosable neurological/physiological disorders. Depression can be as simple as hypothyroidism. Allergies can cause behavioral disorders, especially for children. Learning disabilities can cause children to act in ways that teachers believe they are " mentally ill " . Wanna guess how many kids with absence seizures are teacher diagnosed as ADD because they " won't pay attention " ? Friend of mine has a son with leisons on the brain which they know are causing him multiple daily absence seizures yet he is repeatedly disciplined by the teacher for not paying attention. -- In SSRI medications , Gabdud@a... wrote: > > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't think a therapist can do anything to help someone with a neurological disorder except to help them accept that they have it and how to deal with living with it. Back in the 70's some psych major told me that if I decided not to have seizures, I wouldn't have them. Yeah. Right. I do believe that it is the therapist duty to encourage people to make sure they have complete physical examinations, including blood tests, MRIs and EEGs or whatever it takes to rule out diagnosable neurological/physiological disorders. Depression can be as simple as hypothyroidism. Allergies can cause behavioral disorders, especially for children. Learning disabilities can cause children to act in ways that teachers believe they are " mentally ill " . Wanna guess how many kids with absence seizures are teacher diagnosed as ADD because they " won't pay attention " ? Friend of mine has a son with leisons on the brain which they know are causing him multiple daily absence seizures yet he is repeatedly disciplined by the teacher for not paying attention. -- In SSRI medications , Gabdud@a... wrote: > > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't think a therapist can do anything to help someone with a neurological disorder except to help them accept that they have it and how to deal with living with it. Back in the 70's some psych major told me that if I decided not to have seizures, I wouldn't have them. Yeah. Right. I do believe that it is the therapist duty to encourage people to make sure they have complete physical examinations, including blood tests, MRIs and EEGs or whatever it takes to rule out diagnosable neurological/physiological disorders. Depression can be as simple as hypothyroidism. Allergies can cause behavioral disorders, especially for children. Learning disabilities can cause children to act in ways that teachers believe they are " mentally ill " . Wanna guess how many kids with absence seizures are teacher diagnosed as ADD because they " won't pay attention " ? Friend of mine has a son with leisons on the brain which they know are causing him multiple daily absence seizures yet he is repeatedly disciplined by the teacher for not paying attention. -- In SSRI medications , Gabdud@a... wrote: > > Thanks, Sara. So can anything be done to help people who seem to have > symptoms of " schizophrenia " .....hearing voices....seeing people who don't > exist? I couldn't imagine living like that. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I know of a situation right now where the child is diagnosed with partial temporal lobe seizures which are causing behaviorial issues. So rather than treat with an anticonvulsant -- or remove all drugs and see what's really there -- the child's doctor insists on keeping the antipsychotic on board (though finally discontinued the SSRI). Even after the child became noticibly worse when the AP was increased, the doctor refuses to discontinue it. Both SSRIs and APs lower the seizure threshold and cause the child to have more seizures and worsening behavior, possibly going into the status epilepticus state I mentioned. So, instead of treating the seizures, the doctor is treating the behaviors. The child has been removed from her home, placed in a " therapeutic " foster home and will be institutionalized in an RTC, all the time being treated for a disorder she most likely doesn't have while the disorder she does have is made worse. And the taxpayers are footing the bill because the parents' insurance has run out. > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > > > > > Okay, I admit that I'm confused, but in order for me to > fully > > understand > > > things, I do need to ask questions so hope you don't mind. For > the > > most > > > part, I do agree that a lot of the mental illness diagnosis is > > unjustified. > > > However, I have personally witness something and to this date > don't > > know what to > > > make of this situation. Maybe you can help me out. > > > > > > A few years ago, there was a woman who worked at our local > > CVS. She > > > worked the floor and would stock products on the shelves. I > would > > see her from > > > time to time and say hi to her when I went to CVS to shop. One > day, > > I stopped > > > seeing her at work and just thought maybe she quit and got > another > > job. > > > Well, a few weeks later, my friend and I went to Ram's Horn for > > dinner and this > > > woman, who used to work at CVS, came into the restaurant alone > and > > sat in the > > > booth next to us. As soon a she sat down, she started a > > conversation......with > > > no one......she sat there and talked to an imaginary person the > > entire time > > > she was there. She even ordered food for this make believe > person > > and laughed > > > with her and told her jokes and answered questions that this > > invisible person > > > supposidly asked her. I asked the waitress what was going on > with > > this woman. > > > She told me that she lost her insurance and could no longer > afford > > her > > > medication for schizophrenia. She said this woman frequently > goes > > to Ram's Horn and > > > the staff knows about her condition and how she orders food for > this > > person > > > she believes is there with her and carries on a converstion with > > this person. > > > She also lost her job as a result of her condition. Now, > here's my > > question > > > for you. Does schizophrenia exist? If not, then what the heck > was > > going on > > > with this person? Why was she talking to an imaginary person? > Why > > did she > > > appear normal and could hold a job while she was on medication > for > > schizophrenia, > > > but soon a she went off medication, she started seeing imaginary > > people and > > > could not function in society? Is schizophreina a medical > > condition? I'm a > > > bit lost here because I witnessed this with my own eyes and > > something was going > > > on with this woman. She really believed she was talking to a > person > > that " she > > > saw " but no one else saw. Also, did you see the movie " A > Beautiful > > Mind " ? I > > > heard that movie was based on a true story. Okay, help me > > understand this > > > please. Oh, I also had a patient during my practicum who came > into > > my office > > > and started to have a conversation with the coat rack. Are all > > these people > > > faking this? if they are, then they should go to Hollywood > because > > they are darn > > > good actors. > > > > > > Gab > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 I know of a situation right now where the child is diagnosed with partial temporal lobe seizures which are causing behaviorial issues. So rather than treat with an anticonvulsant -- or remove all drugs and see what's really there -- the child's doctor insists on keeping the antipsychotic on board (though finally discontinued the SSRI). Even after the child became noticibly worse when the AP was increased, the doctor refuses to discontinue it. Both SSRIs and APs lower the seizure threshold and cause the child to have more seizures and worsening behavior, possibly going into the status epilepticus state I mentioned. So, instead of treating the seizures, the doctor is treating the behaviors. The child has been removed from her home, placed in a " therapeutic " foster home and will be institutionalized in an RTC, all the time being treated for a disorder she most likely doesn't have while the disorder she does have is made worse. And the taxpayers are footing the bill because the parents' insurance has run out. > > > > > > Hi Pam, > > > > > > Okay, I admit that I'm confused, but in order for me to > fully > > understand > > > things, I do need to ask questions so hope you don't mind. For > the > > most > > > part, I do agree that a lot of the mental illness diagnosis is > > unjustified. > > > However, I have personally witness something and to this date > don't > > know what to > > > make of this situation. Maybe you can help me out. > > > > > > A few years ago, there was a woman who worked at our local > > CVS. She > > > worked the floor and would stock products on the shelves. I > would > > see her from > > > time to time and say hi to her when I went to CVS to shop. One > day, > > I stopped > > > seeing her at work and just thought maybe she quit and got > another > > job. > > > Well, a few weeks later, my friend and I went to Ram's Horn for > > dinner and this > > > woman, who used to work at CVS, came into the restaurant alone > and > > sat in the > > > booth next to us. As soon a she sat down, she started a > > conversation......with > > > no one......she sat there and talked to an imaginary person the > > entire time > > > she was there. She even ordered food for this make believe > person > > and laughed > > > with her and told her jokes and answered questions that this > > invisible person > > > supposidly asked her. I asked the waitress what was going on > with > > this woman. > > > She told me that she lost her insurance and could no longer > afford > > her > > > medication for schizophrenia. She said this woman frequently > goes > > to Ram's Horn and > > > the staff knows about her condition and how she orders food for > this > > person > > > she believes is there with her and carries on a converstion with > > this person. > > > She also lost her job as a result of her condition. Now, > here's my > > question > > > for you. Does schizophrenia exist? If not, then what the heck > was > > going on > > > with this person? Why was she talking to an imaginary person? > Why > > did she > > > appear normal and could hold a job while she was on medication > for > > schizophrenia, > > > but soon a she went off medication, she started seeing imaginary > > people and > > > could not function in society? Is schizophreina a medical > > condition? I'm a > > > bit lost here because I witnessed this with my own eyes and > > something was going > > > on with this woman. She really believed she was talking to a > person > > that " she > > > saw " but no one else saw. Also, did you see the movie " A > Beautiful > > Mind " ? I > > > heard that movie was based on a true story. Okay, help me > > understand this > > > please. Oh, I also had a patient during my practicum who came > into > > my office > > > and started to have a conversation with the coat rack. Are all > > these people > > > faking this? if they are, then they should go to Hollywood > because > > they are darn > > > good actors. > > > > > > Gab > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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