Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 a good many of these college women who are " depressed " may well be suffering the effects of the contraceptive pill, combined with a deficient diet, and stress. So instead if being advised to fix what is wrong, which is very easily done, they are put on brain-impairing drugs, and given a " label " to promote a life-long dependence on the drugs AND on the idea they are defective, they have this terrible, " disease " called depression, which may most likely be genetic in origin, so they will have it forever and ever...bah, humbug, and phooey! gertie Colleges offering help to depressed students Funny how suicide is such a leading cause of death....it's pure lies if you look over the statistics. They should say: " Suicide Is A Leading Cause For My Job and For Big Profits " http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2004/10/19/Focus/Colleges.Offering.Help.To.\ Depressed.Students-772607.shtml Colleges offering help to depressed students By Molly Wardlaw Sophia, a pre-nursing sophomore at Austin Community College, expected to feel upset after the untimely death of her mother. It is the mental duress which continues to plague her three years later that catches her off-guard. After returning to school, the added pressures of coursework and issues she never had time to address while nursing her mother began to catch up to her. Once vivacious and social, Sophia found herself hard-pressed to leave her apartment, see her friends or engage in activities she once loved. She felt unable to seek help. Averse to taking medication, she said she tried to avoid it when her depression set in. At the behest of family and friends, she finally decided to see a psychiatrist, who promptly prescribed Prozac. She became increasingly more depressed and developed suicidal thoughts for the first time since her mother died. " I told him what I was feeling, and he just kept telling me that I would feel better soon, " Sophia said. " He wasn't listening to me. He didn't even try to customize a drug to my symptoms and my personality, and he didn't give me the right med. " Sophia's not alone. In September, the Food and Drug Administration officially linked some antidepressants (including Prozac and Paxil) to possible suicidal feelings in children and last week issued a statement requiring black-box warning labels stating the risk to children to be printed on the medications. But despite the ruling, many doctors feel the studies were not in-depth and may have been misinterpreted, said Will Pannabecker, director of the mental health department at St. 's University. Shiekh, assistant psychiatrist at Southern Methodist University, notes that side effects are possible in the beginning stages of treatment, but ultimately, medication is effective in preventing suicide in the majority of patients. " It is the same with any medication, " Shiekh said. " If you take a blood-pressure medicine that has a side effect, blood pressure might go up in a few patients. You do not continue to take that med. You need to try out another one. " Though many doctors oppose the FDA ruling, several patients support it, believing that certain medications made periods of their lives worse. , a Spanish senior at the University, said she's been on over 14 medications since she was first diagnosed with depression three years ago. She said her state of mind continued to plummet with each prescription until she found a doctor who eventually took her off all her medication. " I was someone who needed a mild SSRI [selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor], but they put me on such strong drugs that they gave me more medications to treat the side effects that were caused by the original drugs, " said. A leading collegiate killer Untreated depression is the most common reason for suicide, said Kerry Hope, director of Texas A & M's mental health center, and suicide is the second-leading cause of death among the college-age bracket. One out of every 12 college students has made a suicide plan, she said. One of the reasons for the high rate may be the media's attention to suicide, Shiekh said. " When a person is exposed to someone close to them who has committed suicide, they are much more likely to follow through with suicide as well. " Then there's the added pressures of college. A new and foreign environment, tight schedules and high expectations may increase a student's feelings of self-doubt and apathy, many psychologists say. But Pannabecker said the depression which college-age students face might have more to do with brain development than social pressures. A person's frontal lobe stops developing around 21, but many depressive conditions show up between 18 and 21, Pannabecker said. Most young people will outgrow their disorders when their brains are fully developed. Zoth, an Asian cultures and languages senior at the University, still suffers from some depression, but the worst of it began before the typical college-age bracket that Pannabecker noted. " High school was very regimented, and socially, it was alienating, " he said. " The classes were boring, and in general, I just didn't fit in well. I remember not being able to do anything to get out of the depressed feeling. " But Zoth said his depression actually decreased when he got to college. Different forms of treatment The most important thing for a student who feels depressed is to speak with someone, said Jane Bost, associate director of counseling, learning and career services at UT's Mental Health Center. The worst thing to do is to keep it to yourself. Fortunately, most universities in the United States offer some form of mental health care. Two common differences between counseling at public and private schools is the size of the student body and the amount of funding available. Private schools tend to offer long-term counseling, while larger public schools such as UT usually offer only between four and six sessions. Students who wish to continue their therapy have the option of group therapy, with themes ranging from eating disorders to grievance. The University does not currently offer a group for depression, but it does offer a 24-hour hot line operated by counselors who are carefully selected and trained. Hope said A & M followed in UT's footsteps to start their own hot line in 1995, but theirs is staffed by undergraduate students and some doctors. After A & M's line was implemented, A & M's suicide rate dropped from about six a year to about two every other year, Hope said. Offering help to students in a population of more than 40,000 can be difficult, Hope said, largely because of Texas' low national ranking for mental-health coverage and outreach. To help tackle the problem, A & M started a program that trains students to understand and spot depression signs and tells them what to do to get help. And in the wake of the murder of music school professor le last May, UT has also implemented some changes. One of 's students, Fan Chun Ngai, was charged with her murder and declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. UT's new program explains the symptoms of mental disorders to professors and suggests how they should approach students suffering from these disorders. SMU has utilized a different strategy, which they refer to as " investigating, " Shiekh said. When the university receives crisis calls, the police are notified, and the dean may mandate that the student receive help from the mental health center, Shiekh said. " You would have to see someone four times, or you might not be allowed to go to school, " Shiekh said. Despite some conflict, Shiekh says he thinks it is reasonable and will ultimately help students and lower the school's suicide rate. " I don't see it as being very different from other common university regulations, " Shiekh said. While experts and schools may disagree on how to treat and handle depression, they all agree on one thing: Get help. And whether it's through antidepressants, counseling or school programs, it's important to decide which one is right for you. " I know there are people out there who could have helped me, " Sophia said. " All I can say is, think about it before you jump in. 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 a good many of these college women who are " depressed " may well be suffering the effects of the contraceptive pill, combined with a deficient diet, and stress. So instead if being advised to fix what is wrong, which is very easily done, they are put on brain-impairing drugs, and given a " label " to promote a life-long dependence on the drugs AND on the idea they are defective, they have this terrible, " disease " called depression, which may most likely be genetic in origin, so they will have it forever and ever...bah, humbug, and phooey! gertie Colleges offering help to depressed students Funny how suicide is such a leading cause of death....it's pure lies if you look over the statistics. They should say: " Suicide Is A Leading Cause For My Job and For Big Profits " http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2004/10/19/Focus/Colleges.Offering.Help.To.\ Depressed.Students-772607.shtml Colleges offering help to depressed students By Molly Wardlaw Sophia, a pre-nursing sophomore at Austin Community College, expected to feel upset after the untimely death of her mother. It is the mental duress which continues to plague her three years later that catches her off-guard. After returning to school, the added pressures of coursework and issues she never had time to address while nursing her mother began to catch up to her. Once vivacious and social, Sophia found herself hard-pressed to leave her apartment, see her friends or engage in activities she once loved. She felt unable to seek help. Averse to taking medication, she said she tried to avoid it when her depression set in. At the behest of family and friends, she finally decided to see a psychiatrist, who promptly prescribed Prozac. She became increasingly more depressed and developed suicidal thoughts for the first time since her mother died. " I told him what I was feeling, and he just kept telling me that I would feel better soon, " Sophia said. " He wasn't listening to me. He didn't even try to customize a drug to my symptoms and my personality, and he didn't give me the right med. " Sophia's not alone. In September, the Food and Drug Administration officially linked some antidepressants (including Prozac and Paxil) to possible suicidal feelings in children and last week issued a statement requiring black-box warning labels stating the risk to children to be printed on the medications. But despite the ruling, many doctors feel the studies were not in-depth and may have been misinterpreted, said Will Pannabecker, director of the mental health department at St. 's University. Shiekh, assistant psychiatrist at Southern Methodist University, notes that side effects are possible in the beginning stages of treatment, but ultimately, medication is effective in preventing suicide in the majority of patients. " It is the same with any medication, " Shiekh said. " If you take a blood-pressure medicine that has a side effect, blood pressure might go up in a few patients. You do not continue to take that med. You need to try out another one. " Though many doctors oppose the FDA ruling, several patients support it, believing that certain medications made periods of their lives worse. , a Spanish senior at the University, said she's been on over 14 medications since she was first diagnosed with depression three years ago. She said her state of mind continued to plummet with each prescription until she found a doctor who eventually took her off all her medication. " I was someone who needed a mild SSRI [selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor], but they put me on such strong drugs that they gave me more medications to treat the side effects that were caused by the original drugs, " said. A leading collegiate killer Untreated depression is the most common reason for suicide, said Kerry Hope, director of Texas A & M's mental health center, and suicide is the second-leading cause of death among the college-age bracket. One out of every 12 college students has made a suicide plan, she said. One of the reasons for the high rate may be the media's attention to suicide, Shiekh said. " When a person is exposed to someone close to them who has committed suicide, they are much more likely to follow through with suicide as well. " Then there's the added pressures of college. A new and foreign environment, tight schedules and high expectations may increase a student's feelings of self-doubt and apathy, many psychologists say. But Pannabecker said the depression which college-age students face might have more to do with brain development than social pressures. A person's frontal lobe stops developing around 21, but many depressive conditions show up between 18 and 21, Pannabecker said. Most young people will outgrow their disorders when their brains are fully developed. Zoth, an Asian cultures and languages senior at the University, still suffers from some depression, but the worst of it began before the typical college-age bracket that Pannabecker noted. " High school was very regimented, and socially, it was alienating, " he said. " The classes were boring, and in general, I just didn't fit in well. I remember not being able to do anything to get out of the depressed feeling. " But Zoth said his depression actually decreased when he got to college. Different forms of treatment The most important thing for a student who feels depressed is to speak with someone, said Jane Bost, associate director of counseling, learning and career services at UT's Mental Health Center. The worst thing to do is to keep it to yourself. Fortunately, most universities in the United States offer some form of mental health care. Two common differences between counseling at public and private schools is the size of the student body and the amount of funding available. Private schools tend to offer long-term counseling, while larger public schools such as UT usually offer only between four and six sessions. Students who wish to continue their therapy have the option of group therapy, with themes ranging from eating disorders to grievance. The University does not currently offer a group for depression, but it does offer a 24-hour hot line operated by counselors who are carefully selected and trained. Hope said A & M followed in UT's footsteps to start their own hot line in 1995, but theirs is staffed by undergraduate students and some doctors. After A & M's line was implemented, A & M's suicide rate dropped from about six a year to about two every other year, Hope said. Offering help to students in a population of more than 40,000 can be difficult, Hope said, largely because of Texas' low national ranking for mental-health coverage and outreach. To help tackle the problem, A & M started a program that trains students to understand and spot depression signs and tells them what to do to get help. And in the wake of the murder of music school professor le last May, UT has also implemented some changes. One of 's students, Fan Chun Ngai, was charged with her murder and declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. UT's new program explains the symptoms of mental disorders to professors and suggests how they should approach students suffering from these disorders. SMU has utilized a different strategy, which they refer to as " investigating, " Shiekh said. When the university receives crisis calls, the police are notified, and the dean may mandate that the student receive help from the mental health center, Shiekh said. " You would have to see someone four times, or you might not be allowed to go to school, " Shiekh said. Despite some conflict, Shiekh says he thinks it is reasonable and will ultimately help students and lower the school's suicide rate. " I don't see it as being very different from other common university regulations, " Shiekh said. While experts and schools may disagree on how to treat and handle depression, they all agree on one thing: Get help. And whether it's through antidepressants, counseling or school programs, it's important to decide which one is right for you. " I know there are people out there who could have helped me, " Sophia said. " All I can say is, think about it before you jump in. 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Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 You're right about the poor diet and stress .. I've experienced it when I was in college and could tell you about a lot of kids who have. I think eating better and getting more sleep, coupled with helping students through cognitive therapy like Ellison's RET to put ttheir situation with academic and social pressures (and there are loads of both) in their proper perspective could solve the problem. Like you i'm appalled at the quick rush to drug people without caring what the toxic side effects could be. Colleges offering help to depressed students > > > Funny how suicide is such a leading cause of death....it's pure lies if you look over the statistics. They should say: " Suicide Is A Leading Cause For My Job and For Big Profits " > > > http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2004/10/19/Focus/Colleges.Offering.Help ..To.Depressed.Students-772607.shtml > Colleges offering help to depressed students > By Molly Wardlaw > > > > Sophia, a pre-nursing sophomore at Austin Community College, expected to feel upset after the untimely death of her mother. It is the mental duress which continues to plague her three years later that catches her off-guard. After returning to school, the added pressures of coursework and issues she never had time to address while nursing her mother began to catch up to her. Once vivacious and social, Sophia found herself hard-pressed to leave her apartment, see her friends or engage in activities she once loved. She felt unable to seek help. > > Averse to taking medication, she said she tried to avoid it when her depression set in. At the behest of family and friends, she finally decided to see a psychiatrist, who promptly prescribed Prozac. She became increasingly more depressed and developed suicidal thoughts for the first time since her mother died. > > " I told him what I was feeling, and he just kept telling me that I would feel better soon, " Sophia said. " He wasn't listening to me. He didn't even try to customize a drug to my symptoms and my personality, and he didn't give me the right med. " > > Sophia's not alone. In September, the Food and Drug Administration officially linked some antidepressants (including Prozac and Paxil) to possible suicidal feelings in children and last week issued a statement requiring black-box warning labels stating the risk to children to be printed on the medications. > > But despite the ruling, many doctors feel the studies were not in-depth and may have been misinterpreted, said Will Pannabecker, director of the mental health department at St. 's University. > > Shiekh, assistant psychiatrist at Southern Methodist University, notes that side effects are possible in the beginning stages of treatment, but ultimately, medication is effective in preventing suicide in the majority of patients. > > " It is the same with any medication, " Shiekh said. " If you take a blood-pressure medicine that has a side effect, blood pressure might go up in a few patients. You do not continue to take that med. You need to try out another one. " > > Though many doctors oppose the FDA ruling, several patients support it, believing that certain medications made periods of their lives worse. , a Spanish senior at the University, said she's been on over 14 medications since she was first diagnosed with depression three years ago. She said her state of mind continued to plummet with each prescription until she found a doctor who eventually took her off all her medication. > > " I was someone who needed a mild SSRI [selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor], but they put me on such strong drugs that they gave me more medications to treat the side effects that were caused by the original drugs, " said. > > > A leading collegiate killer > > Untreated depression is the most common reason for suicide, said Kerry Hope, director of Texas A & M's mental health center, and suicide is the second-leading cause of death among the college-age bracket. One out of every 12 college students has made a suicide plan, she said. > > One of the reasons for the high rate may be the media's attention to suicide, Shiekh said. > > " When a person is exposed to someone close to them who has committed suicide, they are much more likely to follow through with suicide as well. " > > Then there's the added pressures of college. A new and foreign environment, tight schedules and high expectations may increase a student's feelings of self-doubt and apathy, many psychologists say. > But Pannabecker said the depression which college-age students face might have more to do with brain development than social pressures. > > A person's frontal lobe stops developing around 21, but many depressive conditions show up between 18 and 21, Pannabecker said. Most young people will outgrow their disorders when their brains are fully developed. > > Zoth, an Asian cultures and languages senior at the University, still suffers from some depression, but the worst of it began before the typical college-age bracket that Pannabecker noted. > > " High school was very regimented, and socially, it was alienating, " he said. " The classes were boring, and in general, I just didn't fit in well. I remember not being able to do anything to get out of the depressed feeling. " > > But Zoth said his depression actually decreased when he got to college. > > > Different forms of treatment > > The most important thing for a student who feels depressed is to speak with someone, said Jane Bost, associate director of counseling, learning and career services at UT's Mental Health Center. The worst thing to do is to keep it to yourself. > > Fortunately, most universities in the United States offer some form of mental health care. Two common differences between counseling at public and private schools is the size of the student body and the amount of funding available. Private schools tend to offer long-term counseling, while larger public schools such as UT usually offer only between four and six sessions. Students who wish to continue their therapy have the option of group therapy, with themes ranging from eating disorders to grievance. > > The University does not currently offer a group for depression, but it does offer a 24-hour hot line operated by counselors who are carefully selected and trained. > > Hope said A & M followed in UT's footsteps to start their own hot line in 1995, but theirs is staffed by undergraduate students and some doctors. After A & M's line was implemented, A & M's suicide rate dropped from about six a year to about two every other year, Hope said. > > Offering help to students in a population of more than 40,000 can be difficult, Hope said, largely because of Texas' low national ranking for mental-health coverage and outreach. > > To help tackle the problem, A & M started a program that trains students to understand and spot depression signs and tells them what to do to get help. > > And in the wake of the murder of music school professor le last May, UT has also implemented some changes. One of 's students, Fan Chun Ngai, was charged with her murder and declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. > > UT's new program explains the symptoms of mental disorders to professors and suggests how they should approach students suffering from these disorders. > > SMU has utilized a different strategy, which they refer to as " investigating, " Shiekh said. > > When the university receives crisis calls, the police are notified, and the dean may mandate that the student receive help from the mental health center, Shiekh said. > > " You would have to see someone four times, or you might not be allowed to go to school, " Shiekh said. > > Despite some conflict, Shiekh says he thinks it is reasonable and will ultimately help students and lower the school's suicide rate. > > " I don't see it as being very different from other common university regulations, " Shiekh said. > > While experts and schools may disagree on how to treat and handle depression, they all agree on one thing: Get help. And whether it's through antidepressants, counseling or school programs, it's important to decide which one is right for you. > > " I know there are people out there who could have helped me, " Sophia said. " All I can say is, think about it before you jump in. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 You're right about the poor diet and stress .. I've experienced it when I was in college and could tell you about a lot of kids who have. I think eating better and getting more sleep, coupled with helping students through cognitive therapy like Ellison's RET to put ttheir situation with academic and social pressures (and there are loads of both) in their proper perspective could solve the problem. Like you i'm appalled at the quick rush to drug people without caring what the toxic side effects could be. Colleges offering help to depressed students > > > Funny how suicide is such a leading cause of death....it's pure lies if you look over the statistics. They should say: " Suicide Is A Leading Cause For My Job and For Big Profits " > > > http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2004/10/19/Focus/Colleges.Offering.Help ..To.Depressed.Students-772607.shtml > Colleges offering help to depressed students > By Molly Wardlaw > > > > Sophia, a pre-nursing sophomore at Austin Community College, expected to feel upset after the untimely death of her mother. It is the mental duress which continues to plague her three years later that catches her off-guard. After returning to school, the added pressures of coursework and issues she never had time to address while nursing her mother began to catch up to her. Once vivacious and social, Sophia found herself hard-pressed to leave her apartment, see her friends or engage in activities she once loved. She felt unable to seek help. > > Averse to taking medication, she said she tried to avoid it when her depression set in. At the behest of family and friends, she finally decided to see a psychiatrist, who promptly prescribed Prozac. She became increasingly more depressed and developed suicidal thoughts for the first time since her mother died. > > " I told him what I was feeling, and he just kept telling me that I would feel better soon, " Sophia said. " He wasn't listening to me. He didn't even try to customize a drug to my symptoms and my personality, and he didn't give me the right med. " > > Sophia's not alone. In September, the Food and Drug Administration officially linked some antidepressants (including Prozac and Paxil) to possible suicidal feelings in children and last week issued a statement requiring black-box warning labels stating the risk to children to be printed on the medications. > > But despite the ruling, many doctors feel the studies were not in-depth and may have been misinterpreted, said Will Pannabecker, director of the mental health department at St. 's University. > > Shiekh, assistant psychiatrist at Southern Methodist University, notes that side effects are possible in the beginning stages of treatment, but ultimately, medication is effective in preventing suicide in the majority of patients. > > " It is the same with any medication, " Shiekh said. " If you take a blood-pressure medicine that has a side effect, blood pressure might go up in a few patients. You do not continue to take that med. You need to try out another one. " > > Though many doctors oppose the FDA ruling, several patients support it, believing that certain medications made periods of their lives worse. , a Spanish senior at the University, said she's been on over 14 medications since she was first diagnosed with depression three years ago. She said her state of mind continued to plummet with each prescription until she found a doctor who eventually took her off all her medication. > > " I was someone who needed a mild SSRI [selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor], but they put me on such strong drugs that they gave me more medications to treat the side effects that were caused by the original drugs, " said. > > > A leading collegiate killer > > Untreated depression is the most common reason for suicide, said Kerry Hope, director of Texas A & M's mental health center, and suicide is the second-leading cause of death among the college-age bracket. One out of every 12 college students has made a suicide plan, she said. > > One of the reasons for the high rate may be the media's attention to suicide, Shiekh said. > > " When a person is exposed to someone close to them who has committed suicide, they are much more likely to follow through with suicide as well. " > > Then there's the added pressures of college. A new and foreign environment, tight schedules and high expectations may increase a student's feelings of self-doubt and apathy, many psychologists say. > But Pannabecker said the depression which college-age students face might have more to do with brain development than social pressures. > > A person's frontal lobe stops developing around 21, but many depressive conditions show up between 18 and 21, Pannabecker said. Most young people will outgrow their disorders when their brains are fully developed. > > Zoth, an Asian cultures and languages senior at the University, still suffers from some depression, but the worst of it began before the typical college-age bracket that Pannabecker noted. > > " High school was very regimented, and socially, it was alienating, " he said. " The classes were boring, and in general, I just didn't fit in well. I remember not being able to do anything to get out of the depressed feeling. " > > But Zoth said his depression actually decreased when he got to college. > > > Different forms of treatment > > The most important thing for a student who feels depressed is to speak with someone, said Jane Bost, associate director of counseling, learning and career services at UT's Mental Health Center. The worst thing to do is to keep it to yourself. > > Fortunately, most universities in the United States offer some form of mental health care. Two common differences between counseling at public and private schools is the size of the student body and the amount of funding available. Private schools tend to offer long-term counseling, while larger public schools such as UT usually offer only between four and six sessions. Students who wish to continue their therapy have the option of group therapy, with themes ranging from eating disorders to grievance. > > The University does not currently offer a group for depression, but it does offer a 24-hour hot line operated by counselors who are carefully selected and trained. > > Hope said A & M followed in UT's footsteps to start their own hot line in 1995, but theirs is staffed by undergraduate students and some doctors. After A & M's line was implemented, A & M's suicide rate dropped from about six a year to about two every other year, Hope said. > > Offering help to students in a population of more than 40,000 can be difficult, Hope said, largely because of Texas' low national ranking for mental-health coverage and outreach. > > To help tackle the problem, A & M started a program that trains students to understand and spot depression signs and tells them what to do to get help. > > And in the wake of the murder of music school professor le last May, UT has also implemented some changes. One of 's students, Fan Chun Ngai, was charged with her murder and declared mentally incompetent to stand trial. > > UT's new program explains the symptoms of mental disorders to professors and suggests how they should approach students suffering from these disorders. > > SMU has utilized a different strategy, which they refer to as " investigating, " Shiekh said. > > When the university receives crisis calls, the police are notified, and the dean may mandate that the student receive help from the mental health center, Shiekh said. > > " You would have to see someone four times, or you might not be allowed to go to school, " Shiekh said. > > Despite some conflict, Shiekh says he thinks it is reasonable and will ultimately help students and lower the school's suicide rate. > > " I don't see it as being very different from other common university regulations, " Shiekh said. > > While experts and schools may disagree on how to treat and handle depression, they all agree on one thing: Get help. And whether it's through antidepressants, counseling or school programs, it's important to decide which one is right for you. > > " I know there are people out there who could have helped me, " Sophia said. " All I can say is, think about it before you jump in. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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