Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 The new GI at Kaiser is my third in the system, and the first forthcoming one. I walked into his office with a rep for being difficult; after all I had fired 2 docs before him, men he worked with every day. I had refused to be denied treatment because of my age, [69, and 60 is the cut-off age], and I have been on Rebetron for 5 months. I gave him my list [cribbed from this web site, as you'll see], he moved his chair close to mine, and we talked for an hour. BTW, he is on the Schering hotline to answer questions. This may be why he was so down on the cheaper interferon plus Ribavarin treatment available through Fischers pharmacy services,888-347-3416. However, I carried the meds I bought from them down to the Kaiser pharmacy to have them checked over [the pen malfunctionned, and I was using that as a fall back prescription.] and they were pronounced O.K. They are 2/3 cheaper, and use an insulin needle delivery system.The doc says that the Pennsylvania pharmacy is going to be closed down by the feds. I don't think so, Schearing had no right to sequester interferon from the public... Answer [1] rhyzome therapy is not looking good. Kaiser will not call me if a cure for Hep C comes along... " the news media will let you know about that right away, A CURE FOR HEP C! " [2] I should have weekly blood tests for a while after my 6 months therapy. This is where he gave me the old graph display, showing that if I hadn't been treated, I wouldn't have gotten terminal liver disease until I was 90. This demo still doesn't move me. I take my health at age 90 very seriously. Picasso did some of his best work at that time. His graph showed ME that some treatment now would make my eventual decline come later. YEA! [3] High dose induction therapy doesn't work. [4] Doc looked over my supplement list, and registered a kind of baffled disgust.Then he came apon 2 that he recognized and approved of, calcium an hormone replacement therapy. Then he said he didn't know anything about vitamins. He mentionned that some of the supplements would raise my liver enzymes. Then he did a few minutes on the fact that my lab results weren't very important, except for the signs of anemia. That is the cause of my weakness. I told him that i had been takibg 5 a day of the Ribavirin capsules [which cause the anemia], and he told me to knock it back to 3. O.K. [My constipation was from taking one too many calcium magnesiums per day. 2 are fine, and necessary. I got this from other sources.] [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. [6] The Japanese study on licorice plus bear gall is faulty [especially for the bears. Forget it! [7] Peginterferon is not better than Rebetron. [8] He will give me opiates in a situation of liver pain. [9] All depends on that viral load test after my 6 months. If that is flat, then I will get another 6 months, if nor, I am a non-responder, and will get nothing more.He thinks that a new drug will be approved in about 3 months. [10] He recommended several top hep doctors in San Francisco for me to consult with next Fall. They are the same names that my son came up with..small world. However, he had a bias for a Hep specialist at U.C. He works with him on liver transplants, and likes him. I'm just glad that Kaiser does liver transplants! That's it. I was able to go in there with the list beacause of you fine friends on the hep list, THANKS ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 The new GI at Kaiser is my third in the system, and the first forthcoming one. I walked into his office with a rep for being difficult; after all I had fired 2 docs before him, men he worked with every day. I had refused to be denied treatment because of my age, [69, and 60 is the cut-off age], and I have been on Rebetron for 5 months. I gave him my list [cribbed from this web site, as you'll see], he moved his chair close to mine, and we talked for an hour. BTW, he is on the Schering hotline to answer questions. This may be why he was so down on the cheaper interferon plus Ribavarin treatment available through Fischers pharmacy services,888-347-3416. However, I carried the meds I bought from them down to the Kaiser pharmacy to have them checked over [the pen malfunctionned, and I was using that as a fall back prescription.] and they were pronounced O.K. They are 2/3 cheaper, and use an insulin needle delivery system.The doc says that the Pennsylvania pharmacy is going to be closed down by the feds. I don't think so, Schearing had no right to sequester interferon from the public... Answer [1] rhyzome therapy is not looking good. Kaiser will not call me if a cure for Hep C comes along... " the news media will let you know about that right away, A CURE FOR HEP C! " [2] I should have weekly blood tests for a while after my 6 months therapy. This is where he gave me the old graph display, showing that if I hadn't been treated, I wouldn't have gotten terminal liver disease until I was 90. This demo still doesn't move me. I take my health at age 90 very seriously. Picasso did some of his best work at that time. His graph showed ME that some treatment now would make my eventual decline come later. YEA! [3] High dose induction therapy doesn't work. [4] Doc looked over my supplement list, and registered a kind of baffled disgust.Then he came apon 2 that he recognized and approved of, calcium an hormone replacement therapy. Then he said he didn't know anything about vitamins. He mentionned that some of the supplements would raise my liver enzymes. Then he did a few minutes on the fact that my lab results weren't very important, except for the signs of anemia. That is the cause of my weakness. I told him that i had been takibg 5 a day of the Ribavirin capsules [which cause the anemia], and he told me to knock it back to 3. O.K. [My constipation was from taking one too many calcium magnesiums per day. 2 are fine, and necessary. I got this from other sources.] [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. [6] The Japanese study on licorice plus bear gall is faulty [especially for the bears. Forget it! [7] Peginterferon is not better than Rebetron. [8] He will give me opiates in a situation of liver pain. [9] All depends on that viral load test after my 6 months. If that is flat, then I will get another 6 months, if nor, I am a non-responder, and will get nothing more.He thinks that a new drug will be approved in about 3 months. [10] He recommended several top hep doctors in San Francisco for me to consult with next Fall. They are the same names that my son came up with..small world. However, he had a bias for a Hep specialist at U.C. He works with him on liver transplants, and likes him. I'm just glad that Kaiser does liver transplants! That's it. I was able to go in there with the list beacause of you fine friends on the hep list, THANKS ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 Kathlyn... great post! I'm keeping it for reference. I'm 44 and prolly entering menopause soon and am concerned about estrogen replacement therapy. I plan on doing great work when I'm 90! alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://micromagic.net/~alleypat/liver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 Kathlyn... great post! I'm keeping it for reference. I'm 44 and prolly entering menopause soon and am concerned about estrogen replacement therapy. I plan on doing great work when I'm 90! alley/ ICQ 12631861 alleypat@... http://micromagic.net/~alleypat/liver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 Dear Kathlyn, I am confused , concerning #2 am I to understand that by not being treated we will live longer? Am I reading this wrong. It says that " if I hadn't been treated I wouldn't have gotten terminal liver disease until I was 90. " This threw a chill into me when I read this. Do you have something caused by the treatment? Does your Doctor know something I don't? Please clarify this for me. Blessings Bob Patton Answers from a good guy GI > From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> > > The new GI at Kaiser is my third in the system, and the first forthcoming one. > I walked into his office with a rep for being difficult; after all I had fired 2 docs before him, men he worked with every day. I had refused to be denied treatment because of my age, [69, and 60 is the cut-off age], and I have been on Rebetron for 5 months. > > I gave him my list [cribbed from this web site, as you'll see], he moved his chair close to mine, and we talked for an hour. > > BTW, he is on the Schering hotline to answer questions. This may be why he was so down on the cheaper interferon plus Ribavarin treatment available through Fischers pharmacy services,888-347-3416. However, I carried the meds I bought from them down to the Kaiser pharmacy to have them checked over [the pen malfunctionned, and I was using that as a fall back prescription.] and they were pronounced O.K. They are 2/3 cheaper, and use an insulin needle delivery system.The doc says that the Pennsylvania pharmacy is going to be closed down by the feds. I don't think so, Schearing had no right to sequester interferon from the public... > > Answer [1] rhyzome therapy is not looking good. Kaiser will not call me if a cure for Hep C comes along... " the news media will let you know about that right away, A CURE FOR HEP C! " > > [2] I should have weekly blood tests for a while after my 6 months therapy. This is where he gave me the old graph display, showing that if I hadn't been treated, I wouldn't have gotten terminal liver disease until I > was 90. This demo still doesn't move me. I take my health at age 90 very seriously. Picasso did some of his best work at that time. His graph showed ME that some treatment now would make my eventual decline come later. YEA! > > [3] High dose induction therapy doesn't work. > > [4] Doc looked over my supplement list, and registered a kind of baffled disgust.Then he came apon 2 that he recognized and approved of, calcium an hormone replacement therapy. Then he said he didn't know anything about vitamins. He mentionned that some of the supplements would raise my liver enzymes. Then he did a few minutes on the fact that my lab results weren't very important, except for the signs of anemia. That is the cause of my weakness. I told him that i had been takibg 5 a day of the Ribavirin capsules [which cause the anemia], and he told me to knock it back to 3. O.K. > [My constipation was from taking one too many calcium magnesiums per day. 2 are fine, and necessary. I got this from other sources.] > > [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. > > [6] The Japanese study on licorice plus bear gall is faulty [especially for the bears. Forget it! > > [7] Peginterferon is not better than Rebetron. > > [8] He will give me opiates in a situation of liver pain. > > [9] All depends on that viral load test after my 6 months. If that is flat, then I will get another 6 months, if nor, I am a non-responder, and will get nothing more.He thinks that a new drug will be approved in about 3 months. > > [10] He recommended several top hep doctors in San Francisco for me to consult with next Fall. They are the same names that my son came up with..small world. However, he had a bias for a Hep specialist at U.C. He works with him on liver transplants, and likes him. I'm just glad that Kaiser does liver transplants! > > That's it. I was able to go in there with the list beacause of you fine friends on the hep list, THANKS ALL! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 Dear Kathlyn, I am confused , concerning #2 am I to understand that by not being treated we will live longer? Am I reading this wrong. It says that " if I hadn't been treated I wouldn't have gotten terminal liver disease until I was 90. " This threw a chill into me when I read this. Do you have something caused by the treatment? Does your Doctor know something I don't? Please clarify this for me. Blessings Bob Patton Answers from a good guy GI > From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> > > The new GI at Kaiser is my third in the system, and the first forthcoming one. > I walked into his office with a rep for being difficult; after all I had fired 2 docs before him, men he worked with every day. I had refused to be denied treatment because of my age, [69, and 60 is the cut-off age], and I have been on Rebetron for 5 months. > > I gave him my list [cribbed from this web site, as you'll see], he moved his chair close to mine, and we talked for an hour. > > BTW, he is on the Schering hotline to answer questions. This may be why he was so down on the cheaper interferon plus Ribavarin treatment available through Fischers pharmacy services,888-347-3416. However, I carried the meds I bought from them down to the Kaiser pharmacy to have them checked over [the pen malfunctionned, and I was using that as a fall back prescription.] and they were pronounced O.K. They are 2/3 cheaper, and use an insulin needle delivery system.The doc says that the Pennsylvania pharmacy is going to be closed down by the feds. I don't think so, Schearing had no right to sequester interferon from the public... > > Answer [1] rhyzome therapy is not looking good. Kaiser will not call me if a cure for Hep C comes along... " the news media will let you know about that right away, A CURE FOR HEP C! " > > [2] I should have weekly blood tests for a while after my 6 months therapy. This is where he gave me the old graph display, showing that if I hadn't been treated, I wouldn't have gotten terminal liver disease until I > was 90. This demo still doesn't move me. I take my health at age 90 very seriously. Picasso did some of his best work at that time. His graph showed ME that some treatment now would make my eventual decline come later. YEA! > > [3] High dose induction therapy doesn't work. > > [4] Doc looked over my supplement list, and registered a kind of baffled disgust.Then he came apon 2 that he recognized and approved of, calcium an hormone replacement therapy. Then he said he didn't know anything about vitamins. He mentionned that some of the supplements would raise my liver enzymes. Then he did a few minutes on the fact that my lab results weren't very important, except for the signs of anemia. That is the cause of my weakness. I told him that i had been takibg 5 a day of the Ribavirin capsules [which cause the anemia], and he told me to knock it back to 3. O.K. > [My constipation was from taking one too many calcium magnesiums per day. 2 are fine, and necessary. I got this from other sources.] > > [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. > > [6] The Japanese study on licorice plus bear gall is faulty [especially for the bears. Forget it! > > [7] Peginterferon is not better than Rebetron. > > [8] He will give me opiates in a situation of liver pain. > > [9] All depends on that viral load test after my 6 months. If that is flat, then I will get another 6 months, if nor, I am a non-responder, and will get nothing more.He thinks that a new drug will be approved in about 3 months. > > [10] He recommended several top hep doctors in San Francisco for me to consult with next Fall. They are the same names that my son came up with..small world. However, he had a bias for a Hep specialist at U.C. He works with him on liver transplants, and likes him. I'm just glad that Kaiser does liver transplants! > > That's it. I was able to go in there with the list beacause of you fine friends on the hep list, THANKS ALL! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Have you tried B12 sublingual for your anemia? I did Infergen for a year. Got very anemic, my optic nerve started malfunctioning due to lack of oxygen. B12 sublingual (one daily under the tongue) brought my RBC back to a level where the nerve no longer malfunctioned. I was still anemic, but I could see again! Actually, I did not lose my sight, there were those after-images (like looking at a bright light and then away, but you see a floating image of the light) in my line of vision all the time. I was constantly squinting and closing my eyes tightly and rolling them to try to clear my vision. Twinlab Dots are good. Gail ---------- >From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> ><Hepatitis Conelist> >Subject: Answers from a good guy GI >Date: Sun, Feb 20, 2000, 5:53 AM > > From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> > > > [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Have you tried B12 sublingual for your anemia? I did Infergen for a year. Got very anemic, my optic nerve started malfunctioning due to lack of oxygen. B12 sublingual (one daily under the tongue) brought my RBC back to a level where the nerve no longer malfunctioned. I was still anemic, but I could see again! Actually, I did not lose my sight, there were those after-images (like looking at a bright light and then away, but you see a floating image of the light) in my line of vision all the time. I was constantly squinting and closing my eyes tightly and rolling them to try to clear my vision. Twinlab Dots are good. Gail ---------- >From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> ><Hepatitis Conelist> >Subject: Answers from a good guy GI >Date: Sun, Feb 20, 2000, 5:53 AM > > From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> > > > [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Have you tried B12 sublingual for your anemia? I did Infergen for a year. Got very anemic, my optic nerve started malfunctioning due to lack of oxygen. B12 sublingual (one daily under the tongue) brought my RBC back to a level where the nerve no longer malfunctioned. I was still anemic, but I could see again! Actually, I did not lose my sight, there were those after-images (like looking at a bright light and then away, but you see a floating image of the light) in my line of vision all the time. I was constantly squinting and closing my eyes tightly and rolling them to try to clear my vision. Twinlab Dots are good. Gail ---------- >From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> ><Hepatitis Conelist> >Subject: Answers from a good guy GI >Date: Sun, Feb 20, 2000, 5:53 AM > > From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> > > > [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Have you tried B12 sublingual for your anemia? I did Infergen for a year. Got very anemic, my optic nerve started malfunctioning due to lack of oxygen. B12 sublingual (one daily under the tongue) brought my RBC back to a level where the nerve no longer malfunctioned. I was still anemic, but I could see again! Actually, I did not lose my sight, there were those after-images (like looking at a bright light and then away, but you see a floating image of the light) in my line of vision all the time. I was constantly squinting and closing my eyes tightly and rolling them to try to clear my vision. Twinlab Dots are good. Gail ---------- >From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> ><Hepatitis Conelist> >Subject: Answers from a good guy GI >Date: Sun, Feb 20, 2000, 5:53 AM > > From: " Kathlyn Free " <k_k_free@...> > > > [[5] My potassium level is fine. The weakness is from anemia. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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