Measles ploy - use third world stats!

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Measles ploy--use third world stats:

Use third world statistics to sell vaccine in first world:

" Measles kills 1 million worldwide " ---Liam son, Chief Medical Officer,

Sunday Times Jan 28, 2001

They say that if children are not vaccinated against measles millions of

children could die during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense.

What they are using is examples taken from developing countries with poor

nutrition and poor immune function in which such epidemic death can occur.

In the United States we would not see this because of better nutrition,

better health facilities and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen

when measles outbreaks occur in the United States occur either in children

in which vaccination was contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in

children with chronic, immune-suppressing diseases. In fact, in most

studies these children catching the measles or other childhood diseases have

been either fully immunized or partially immunized. The big secret among

" vaccinologists " is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of children are not

resistant to the diseases for which they have been immunized. THE TRUTH

BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Blaylock, M.D.

http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html

Excerpt (please read the full report and start fuming with disgust)

On page 16 as well, Dr. makes an incredible statement, one that

defines the problem we have in this country with the promoters of these

vaccines. He states, " As an aside, we found a cultural difference between

vaccinologist and environmental health people in that many of us in the

vaccine arena have never thought about uncertainty factors before. We tend

to be relatively concrete in our thinking. " Then he says, " One of the big

cultural events in that meeting ---was when Dr. son repetitively

pointed out to us that we just didn't get it about uncertainty, and he was

actually quite right. "

This is an incredible admission. First, what is a vaccinologist? Do you go

to school to learn to be one? How many years of residency training are

required to be a vaccinologist? Are there board exams? It's a stupid term

used to describe people who are obsessed with vaccines, not that they

actually study the effects of the vaccines, as we shall see throughout this

meeting. Most important is the admission by Dr. that he and his

fellow " vaccinologist " are so blinded by their obsession with forcing

vaccines on society that they never even considered that there might be

factors involved that could greatly affect human health, the so-called

" uncertainties. " Further, that he and his fellow " vaccinologists " like to

think in concrete terms-that is, they are very narrow in their thinking and

wear blinders that prevent them from seeing the numerous problems occurring

with large numbers of vaccinations in infants and children. Their goal in

life is to vaccinate as many people as possible with an ever-growing number

of vaccines. On page 17 his " concrete thinking " once again takes over. He

refers to the Bethesda meeting on Thimerosal safety issues and says, " there

was no evidence of a problem, only a theoretical concern that young infants'

developing brains were being exposed to an organomercurial. " Of course, as I

shall point out later, it is a lot more than a " theoretical concern " . He

then continues by saying, " We agree that while there was no evidence of a

problem the increasing number of vaccine injections given to infants was

increasing the theoretical mercury exposure risk. "

It's hard to conceive of a true scientist not seeing the incredible irony of

these statements. The medical literature is abound with studies on the

deleterious effects of mercury on numerous enzymes, mitochondrial energy

production, synaptic function, dendritic retraction, neurotubule dissolution

and excitotoxicity, yet, he sees only a " theoretical risk " associated with

an ever increasing addition of thimerosal-containing vaccines. It is also

important to note that these geniuses never even saw a problem in the first

place, it was pressure from outside scientists, parents of affected children

and groups representing them that pointed out the problem. They were, in

essence, reacting to pressure from outside the " vaccinologist club " and not

discovering internally that a problem " might " exist.

In fact, if these outside groups had not become involved these

" vaccinologists " would have continued to add more and more

mercury-containing vaccines to the list of required vaccines. Only when the

problem became so obvious, that is of epidemic proportion (close to that

now) and the legal profession became involved would they have even noticed

there was a problem. This is a recurring theme in the government's

regulatory agencies, as witnessed with fluoride, aspartame, MSG, dioxin and

pesticides issues.

It is also interesting that Dr. did admit that the greatest risk was

among low birth weight infants and premature infants. Now why would that be

if there existed such a large margin of safety with mercury used in

vaccines? Could just a few pounds of body weight make such a dramatic

difference? In fact, it does but it also means that normal birth weight

children, especially those near the low range of normal birth weight, are

also in greater danger. It also would mean that children receiving doses of

mercury higher than the 75 ug in this study would be at high risk as well

because their dose, based on body weight, would be comparable to that of the

low birth weight child receiving the lower dose. This is never even

considered by these " vaccinologist experts " who decide policy for your

children.

Difficulties for children in the third world .

Now this next statement should shock everyone, but especially the poor who

in any way think that these " vaccinologists " experts have their best

interest in mind. Dr. says on page 17, " We agree that it would be

desirable to remove mercury from U.S. licensed vaccines, but we did not

agree that this was a universal recommendation that we would make because of

the issue concerning preservatives for delivering vaccines to other

countries, particularly developing countries, in the absence of hard data

that implied that there was in fact a problem. "

So, here you have it. The data is convincing enough that the American

Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Family Practice, as well

as the regulatory agencies and the CDC along with these organizations all

recommend its removal as quickly as possible because of concerns of adverse

effects of mercury on brain development, but not for the children in the

developing countries. I thought the whole idea of child health programs in

the United States directed toward the developing world was to give poor

children a better chance in an increasingly competitive world. This policy

being advocated would increase the neurodevelopmental problems seen in poor

children (also in this country) of developing countries, impairing their

ability to learn and develop competitive minds. Remember, there was a

representative of the World Health Organization (WHO), Dr. Clements,

serving on this panel of " experts " . He never challenged this statement made

by Dr. .

It also needs to be appreciated that children in developing countries are at

a much greater risk of complications from vaccinations and from mercury

toxicity than children in developed countries. This is because of poor

nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high

incidence of low birth weight in these children. We are now witnessing a

disaster in African countries caused by the use of older live virus polio

vaccines that has now produced an epidemic of vaccine related polio, that

is, polio caused by the vaccine itself. In, fact, in some African countries,

polio was not seen until the vaccine was introduced.

The WHO and the " vaccinologist experts " from this country now justify a

continued polio vaccination program with this dangerous vaccine on the basis

that now that they have created the epidemic of polio, they cannot stop the

program. In a recent article it was pointed out that this is the most

deranged reasoning, since more vaccines will mean more vaccine-related cases

of polio. But then, " vaccinologist " have difficulty with these

" uncertainties " . ( JT. A developing country perspective on

vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis. Bulletin WHO 2004; 82: 53-58.

See commentary by D.M. Salisbury at the end of the article.)

Then he again emphasizes the philosophy that the health of children is

secondary to " the program " when he says, " We saw some compelling data that

delaying the birth dose of HepB vaccine would lead to significant disease

burden as a consequence of missed opportunity to immunize. " This implies

that our children would be endangered from the risk of hepatitis B should

the vaccine program stop vaccinating newborns with the HepB vaccine.

In fact, this statement is not based on any risk to U.S. children at all and

he makes that plain when he states, " that the potential impact on countries

that have 10% to 15% newborn hepatitis B exposure risk was very distressing

to consider. " (page 18) In other words the risk is not to normal U.S.

children but to children in developing countries. In fact, hepatitis B is

not a risk until the teenage years and after in this country. The only

at-risk group among children is with children born to drug using parents;

mothers infected with hepatitis B or HIV infected parents. The reason for

vaccinating the newborns is to capture them before they can escape the

" vaccinologist's " vaccine program. This is a tactic often used to scare

mothers into having their children vaccinated. For example, they say that if

children are not vaccinated against measles millions of children could die

during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense. What they are using

is examples taken from developing countries with poor nutrition and poor

immune function in which such epidemic death can occur. In the United States

we would not see this because of better nutrition, better health facilities

and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen when measles outbreaks

occur in the United States occur either in children in which vaccination was

contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in children with chronic,

immune-suppressing diseases.

In fact, in most studies these children catching the measles or other

childhood diseases have been either fully immunized or partially immunized.

The big secret among " vaccinologists " is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of

children are not resistant to the diseases for which they have been

immunized.

Also on page 18, Dr. tells the committee that it was Dr. Walt

Orenstein who " asked the most provocative question which introduced a great

deal of discussion. That was, should we try to seek neurodevelopmental

outcomes from children exposed to varying doses of mercury by utilizing the

Vaccine Safety Datalink data from one or more sites? " (page 18)

I take from this no one had ever even thought of looking at the data that

had just been sitting there all these years un-reviewed. Children could have

been dropping like flies or suffering from terrible neurodevelopmental

defects caused by the vaccine program and no one in the government would

have known. In fact, that is exactly what the data suggested was happening,

at least as regards neurodevelopmental delays.

We should also appreciate that the government sponsored two conferences on

the possible role of metals, aluminum and mercury, being use in vaccines

without any change in vaccine policy occurring after the meetings. These

meetings were held a year before this meeting and before any examination of

the data which was being held tightly by the CDC, (which was denied to other

independent, highly qualified researchers). I will talk more about what was

discussed in the aluminum conference later. It is very important and is only

briefly referred to in this conference for a very good reason. If the public

knew what was discussed at the aluminum meeting no one would ever get a

vaccination using the presently manufactured types of vaccines again.

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

http://www.whale.to/m/measles1.html

Measles ploy--use third world stats:

Use third world statistics to sell vaccine in first world:

" Measles kills 1 million worldwide " ---Liam son, Chief Medical Officer,

Sunday Times Jan 28, 2001

They say that if children are not vaccinated against measles millions of

children could die during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense.

What they are using is examples taken from developing countries with poor

nutrition and poor immune function in which such epidemic death can occur.

In the United States we would not see this because of better nutrition,

better health facilities and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen

when measles outbreaks occur in the United States occur either in children

in which vaccination was contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in

children with chronic, immune-suppressing diseases. In fact, in most

studies these children catching the measles or other childhood diseases have

been either fully immunized or partially immunized. The big secret among

" vaccinologists " is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of children are not

resistant to the diseases for which they have been immunized. THE TRUTH

BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP By Blaylock, M.D.

http://www.whale.to/a/blaylock.html

Excerpt (please read the full report and start fuming with disgust)

On page 16 as well, Dr. makes an incredible statement, one that

defines the problem we have in this country with the promoters of these

vaccines. He states, " As an aside, we found a cultural difference between

vaccinologist and environmental health people in that many of us in the

vaccine arena have never thought about uncertainty factors before. We tend

to be relatively concrete in our thinking. " Then he says, " One of the big

cultural events in that meeting ---was when Dr. son repetitively

pointed out to us that we just didn't get it about uncertainty, and he was

actually quite right. "

This is an incredible admission. First, what is a vaccinologist? Do you go

to school to learn to be one? How many years of residency training are

required to be a vaccinologist? Are there board exams? It's a stupid term

used to describe people who are obsessed with vaccines, not that they

actually study the effects of the vaccines, as we shall see throughout this

meeting. Most important is the admission by Dr. that he and his

fellow " vaccinologist " are so blinded by their obsession with forcing

vaccines on society that they never even considered that there might be

factors involved that could greatly affect human health, the so-called

" uncertainties. " Further, that he and his fellow " vaccinologists " like to

think in concrete terms-that is, they are very narrow in their thinking and

wear blinders that prevent them from seeing the numerous problems occurring

with large numbers of vaccinations in infants and children. Their goal in

life is to vaccinate as many people as possible with an ever-growing number

of vaccines. On page 17 his " concrete thinking " once again takes over. He

refers to the Bethesda meeting on Thimerosal safety issues and says, " there

was no evidence of a problem, only a theoretical concern that young infants'

developing brains were being exposed to an organomercurial. " Of course, as I

shall point out later, it is a lot more than a " theoretical concern " . He

then continues by saying, " We agree that while there was no evidence of a

problem the increasing number of vaccine injections given to infants was

increasing the theoretical mercury exposure risk. "

It's hard to conceive of a true scientist not seeing the incredible irony of

these statements. The medical literature is abound with studies on the

deleterious effects of mercury on numerous enzymes, mitochondrial energy

production, synaptic function, dendritic retraction, neurotubule dissolution

and excitotoxicity, yet, he sees only a " theoretical risk " associated with

an ever increasing addition of thimerosal-containing vaccines. It is also

important to note that these geniuses never even saw a problem in the first

place, it was pressure from outside scientists, parents of affected children

and groups representing them that pointed out the problem. They were, in

essence, reacting to pressure from outside the " vaccinologist club " and not

discovering internally that a problem " might " exist.

In fact, if these outside groups had not become involved these

" vaccinologists " would have continued to add more and more

mercury-containing vaccines to the list of required vaccines. Only when the

problem became so obvious, that is of epidemic proportion (close to that

now) and the legal profession became involved would they have even noticed

there was a problem. This is a recurring theme in the government's

regulatory agencies, as witnessed with fluoride, aspartame, MSG, dioxin and

pesticides issues.

It is also interesting that Dr. did admit that the greatest risk was

among low birth weight infants and premature infants. Now why would that be

if there existed such a large margin of safety with mercury used in

vaccines? Could just a few pounds of body weight make such a dramatic

difference? In fact, it does but it also means that normal birth weight

children, especially those near the low range of normal birth weight, are

also in greater danger. It also would mean that children receiving doses of

mercury higher than the 75 ug in this study would be at high risk as well

because their dose, based on body weight, would be comparable to that of the

low birth weight child receiving the lower dose. This is never even

considered by these " vaccinologist experts " who decide policy for your

children.

Difficulties for children in the third world .

Now this next statement should shock everyone, but especially the poor who

in any way think that these " vaccinologists " experts have their best

interest in mind. Dr. says on page 17, " We agree that it would be

desirable to remove mercury from U.S. licensed vaccines, but we did not

agree that this was a universal recommendation that we would make because of

the issue concerning preservatives for delivering vaccines to other

countries, particularly developing countries, in the absence of hard data

that implied that there was in fact a problem. "

So, here you have it. The data is convincing enough that the American

Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Family Practice, as well

as the regulatory agencies and the CDC along with these organizations all

recommend its removal as quickly as possible because of concerns of adverse

effects of mercury on brain development, but not for the children in the

developing countries. I thought the whole idea of child health programs in

the United States directed toward the developing world was to give poor

children a better chance in an increasingly competitive world. This policy

being advocated would increase the neurodevelopmental problems seen in poor

children (also in this country) of developing countries, impairing their

ability to learn and develop competitive minds. Remember, there was a

representative of the World Health Organization (WHO), Dr. Clements,

serving on this panel of " experts " . He never challenged this statement made

by Dr. .

It also needs to be appreciated that children in developing countries are at

a much greater risk of complications from vaccinations and from mercury

toxicity than children in developed countries. This is because of poor

nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high

incidence of low birth weight in these children. We are now witnessing a

disaster in African countries caused by the use of older live virus polio

vaccines that has now produced an epidemic of vaccine related polio, that

is, polio caused by the vaccine itself. In, fact, in some African countries,

polio was not seen until the vaccine was introduced.

The WHO and the " vaccinologist experts " from this country now justify a

continued polio vaccination program with this dangerous vaccine on the basis

that now that they have created the epidemic of polio, they cannot stop the

program. In a recent article it was pointed out that this is the most

deranged reasoning, since more vaccines will mean more vaccine-related cases

of polio. But then, " vaccinologist " have difficulty with these

" uncertainties " . ( JT. A developing country perspective on

vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis. Bulletin WHO 2004; 82: 53-58.

See commentary by D.M. Salisbury at the end of the article.)

Then he again emphasizes the philosophy that the health of children is

secondary to " the program " when he says, " We saw some compelling data that

delaying the birth dose of HepB vaccine would lead to significant disease

burden as a consequence of missed opportunity to immunize. " This implies

that our children would be endangered from the risk of hepatitis B should

the vaccine program stop vaccinating newborns with the HepB vaccine.

In fact, this statement is not based on any risk to U.S. children at all and

he makes that plain when he states, " that the potential impact on countries

that have 10% to 15% newborn hepatitis B exposure risk was very distressing

to consider. " (page 18) In other words the risk is not to normal U.S.

children but to children in developing countries. In fact, hepatitis B is

not a risk until the teenage years and after in this country. The only

at-risk group among children is with children born to drug using parents;

mothers infected with hepatitis B or HIV infected parents. The reason for

vaccinating the newborns is to capture them before they can escape the

" vaccinologist's " vaccine program. This is a tactic often used to scare

mothers into having their children vaccinated. For example, they say that if

children are not vaccinated against measles millions of children could die

during a measles epidemic. They know this is nonsense. What they are using

is examples taken from developing countries with poor nutrition and poor

immune function in which such epidemic death can occur. In the United States

we would not see this because of better nutrition, better health facilities

and better sanitation. In fact, most deaths seen when measles outbreaks

occur in the United States occur either in children in which vaccination was

contraindicated, the vaccine did not work or in children with chronic,

immune-suppressing diseases.

In fact, in most studies these children catching the measles or other

childhood diseases have been either fully immunized or partially immunized.

The big secret among " vaccinologists " is that anywhere from 20 to 50% of

children are not resistant to the diseases for which they have been

immunized.

Also on page 18, Dr. tells the committee that it was Dr. Walt

Orenstein who " asked the most provocative question which introduced a great

deal of discussion. That was, should we try to seek neurodevelopmental

outcomes from children exposed to varying doses of mercury by utilizing the

Vaccine Safety Datalink data from one or more sites? " (page 18)

I take from this no one had ever even thought of looking at the data that

had just been sitting there all these years un-reviewed. Children could have

been dropping like flies or suffering from terrible neurodevelopmental

defects caused by the vaccine program and no one in the government would

have known. In fact, that is exactly what the data suggested was happening,

at least as regards neurodevelopmental delays.

We should also appreciate that the government sponsored two conferences on

the possible role of metals, aluminum and mercury, being use in vaccines

without any change in vaccine policy occurring after the meetings. These

meetings were held a year before this meeting and before any examination of

the data which was being held tightly by the CDC, (which was denied to other

independent, highly qualified researchers). I will talk more about what was

discussed in the aluminum conference later. It is very important and is only

briefly referred to in this conference for a very good reason. If the public

knew what was discussed at the aluminum meeting no one would ever get a

vaccination using the presently manufactured types of vaccines again.

Ingrid