The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birmingham

[Guest guest]

Yesterday I attended a public engagement meeting of the CDC in Birmingham, AL. They started by feeding us a continental breakfast with coffee and juice. They discussed the meeting goals and agenda and gave an overview of the day. They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the priority groups to receive the vaccine. They said that today we would have small group discussions as to whether the government should "go slow" or take a moderate approach, or go "full throttle" with the H1N1 vaccine. He said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1, 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net. He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept. 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009. They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine. They showed us a video and a power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group. People asked questions until lunch time. They told us to begin our small group discussions after lunch. I had brought a copy of the Dutch Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1, 2004. I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch. She seemed very surprised by the results.

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(The f must be below the link in order for the link to work.) Our group ended up taking the moderate approach. However, our facilitator included all the concerns we had discussed when she gave our group report. Then they asked us to rate the options we considered. They took up the papers and asked for a show of hands as to how people would have voted if the swine flu was more severe or less severe than expected. Then they opened it up for more questions, and finally told people they could put their questions on a note card and turn them in. They thanked everyone for coming and gave directions on getting their $50 stipend.

That is basically what happened. Sorry it is so long.

Lemoyen

[Guest guest]

Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with

live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If

they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to

push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.

At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter

should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think

?

Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as

technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from

eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their

stooges into more areas....

- Harish

They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the

> vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the

> priority groups to receive the vaccine.  They said that today we would have

> small group discussions as to whether the government should " go slow " or

> take a moderate approach, or go " full throttle " with the H1N1 vaccine.  He

> said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,

> 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.

> He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.

> 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and

> a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.

> They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people

> allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine.  They showed us a video and a

> power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.

> People asked questions until lunch time.  They told us to begin our small

> group discussions after lunch.  I had brought a copy of the Dutch

> Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,

> 2004.  I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch.  She seemed very

> surprised by the results.

>

[Guest guest]

Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with

live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If

they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to

push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.

At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter

should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think

?

Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as

technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from

eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their

stooges into more areas....

- Harish

They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the

> vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the

> priority groups to receive the vaccine.  They said that today we would have

> small group discussions as to whether the government should " go slow " or

> take a moderate approach, or go " full throttle " with the H1N1 vaccine.  He

> said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,

> 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.

> He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.

> 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and

> a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.

> They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people

> allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine.  They showed us a video and a

> power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.

> People asked questions until lunch time.  They told us to begin our small

> group discussions after lunch.  I had brought a copy of the Dutch

> Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,

> 2004.  I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch.  She seemed very

> surprised by the results.

>

[Guest guest]

Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with

live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If

they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to

push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.

At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter

should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think

?

Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as

technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from

eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their

stooges into more areas....

- Harish

They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the

> vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the

> priority groups to receive the vaccine.  They said that today we would have

> small group discussions as to whether the government should " go slow " or

> take a moderate approach, or go " full throttle " with the H1N1 vaccine.  He

> said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,

> 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.

> He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.

> 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and

> a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.

> They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people

> allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine.  They showed us a video and a

> power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.

> People asked questions until lunch time.  They told us to begin our small

> group discussions after lunch.  I had brought a copy of the Dutch

> Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,

> 2004.  I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch.  She seemed very

> surprised by the results.

>

[Guest guest]

Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with

live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If

they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to

push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.

At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter

should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think

?

Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as

technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from

eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their

stooges into more areas....

- Harish

They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the

> vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the

> priority groups to receive the vaccine.  They said that today we would have

> small group discussions as to whether the government should " go slow " or

> take a moderate approach, or go " full throttle " with the H1N1 vaccine.  He

> said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,

> 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.

> He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.

> 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and

> a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.

> They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people

> allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine.  They showed us a video and a

> power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.

> People asked questions until lunch time.  They told us to begin our small

> group discussions after lunch.  I had brought a copy of the Dutch

> Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,

> 2004.  I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch.  She seemed very

> surprised by the results.

>

[Guest guest]

No, they did not mention Baxter's big mistake, for lack of a better word. And

yes I don't think the government should do any more business with Baxter, but

they did not call any pharmaceutical company by name. They just said that the

government had ordered a batch of vaccines from one company and if that company

did not come through, they had another company as a back-up comany, but they did

not say who it was. They said that they learned their lesson during another

mass vaccination when the company that was supposed to supply the vaccines was

not able to meet their order, so they said this time they had a back-up company.

Let me also say this: I was in the minority in that room. I was saying and

voting " Go slow " every chance I was given. I did everything I could to influence

my group in that direction, and I was asking the tough questions in the large

group like Has the decision been made whether to use adjuvants in the vaccine?

The doctor said the decision had not been made. I also asked when the safety

trials would be finished. He didn't answer that one. There were about half a

dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about vaccine safety, but at

least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the vaccine (I think just out of

ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the 100 people wanted a moderate

approach.

Lemoyen

>

> Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with

> live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If

> they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to

> push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.

> At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter

> should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think

> ?

>

> Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as

> technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from

> eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their

> stooges into more areas....

>

> - Harish

>

> They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the

> > vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the

> > priority groups to receive the vaccine.  They said that today we would have

> > small group discussions as to whether the government should " go slow " or

> > take a moderate approach, or go " full throttle " with the H1N1 vaccine.  He

> > said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,

> > 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.

> > He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.

> > 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and

> > a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.

> > They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people

> > allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine.  They showed us a video and a

> > power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.

> > People asked questions until lunch time.  They told us to begin our small

> > group discussions after lunch.  I had brought a copy of the Dutch

> > Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,

> > 2004.  I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch.  She seemed very

> > surprised by the results.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, they did not mention Baxter's big mistake, for lack of a better word. And

yes I don't think the government should do any more business with Baxter, but

they did not call any pharmaceutical company by name. They just said that the

government had ordered a batch of vaccines from one company and if that company

did not come through, they had another company as a back-up comany, but they did

not say who it was. They said that they learned their lesson during another

mass vaccination when the company that was supposed to supply the vaccines was

not able to meet their order, so they said this time they had a back-up company.

Let me also say this: I was in the minority in that room. I was saying and

voting " Go slow " every chance I was given. I did everything I could to influence

my group in that direction, and I was asking the tough questions in the large

group like Has the decision been made whether to use adjuvants in the vaccine?

The doctor said the decision had not been made. I also asked when the safety

trials would be finished. He didn't answer that one. There were about half a

dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about vaccine safety, but at

least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the vaccine (I think just out of

ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the 100 people wanted a moderate

approach.

Lemoyen

>

> Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with

> live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If

> they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to

> push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.

> At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter

> should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think

> ?

>

> Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as

> technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from

> eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their

> stooges into more areas....

>

> - Harish

>

> They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the

> > vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the

> > priority groups to receive the vaccine.  They said that today we would have

> > small group discussions as to whether the government should " go slow " or

> > take a moderate approach, or go " full throttle " with the H1N1 vaccine.  He

> > said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,

> > 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.

> > He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.

> > 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and

> > a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.

> > They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people

> > allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine.  They showed us a video and a

> > power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.

> > People asked questions until lunch time.  They told us to begin our small

> > group discussions after lunch.  I had brought a copy of the Dutch

> > Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,

> > 2004.  I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch.  She seemed very

> > surprised by the results.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, there is no moderate path with killer vaccines. All vaccines

are designed to kill the natural response of the human body to disease

and are spiked,for lack of a better word, to kill, maim and debilitate

the human body.

- Harish

<clip>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:20 AM,

themiddleapostle<themiddleapostle@...> wrote:

There

> were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the

> vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

>

> Lemoyen

>

</clip>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, there is no moderate path with killer vaccines. All vaccines

are designed to kill the natural response of the human body to disease

and are spiked,for lack of a better word, to kill, maim and debilitate

the human body.

- Harish

<clip>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:20 AM,

themiddleapostle<themiddleapostle@...> wrote:

There

> were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the

> vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

>

> Lemoyen

>

</clip>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that way.

There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find a way to

fight the ignorance.

Lemoyen

>

> There

> > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the

> > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

> >

> > Lemoyen

> >

> </clip>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that way.

There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find a way to

fight the ignorance.

Lemoyen

>

> There

> > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the

> > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

> >

> > Lemoyen

> >

> </clip>

>

[Guest guest]

I THINK THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.I see so many individual efforts

here, and this is good! However, vast numbers of individuals plus

extremely vast public exposure is also a great advantage!Does ANYONE know about the AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE? http://www.aclj.org/This

organization is known WORLD WIDE! Yes, world wide. They stand up for

constitutional rights of the American people. Why not get THEM involved

in all this too. At the VERY LEAST, more Americans will realize THROUGH

THE MEDIA what is happening to them and thus more pressure can be

imposed on those who are trying to push these forced vaccinations. The

American Center for Law and Justice, http://www.aclj.org/ -- is ALWAYS

taking the U.S. Federal government to task on several issues such as

the new – SO CALLED "health care" bill and they are winning some cases

against the Feds. Have any American citizens actually alerted this vast

agency to help fight for their constitutional rights?! I think that

this organization can do a lot if it is asked by the American people.I’m not an American citizen so they won’t help me.Definitely worth a try if you are living in the U.S.A! The truth needs to get out – FAST!MarkFrom: themiddleapostle <themiddleapostle@...>Subject: Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birminghamno-forced-vaccination Received: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:23 PM

Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find a way to fight the ignorance.

Lemoyen

>

> There

> > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the

> > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

> >

> > Lemoyen

> >

> </clip>

>

[Guest guest]

I THINK THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.I see so many individual efforts

here, and this is good! However, vast numbers of individuals plus

extremely vast public exposure is also a great advantage!Does ANYONE know about the AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE? http://www.aclj.org/This

organization is known WORLD WIDE! Yes, world wide. They stand up for

constitutional rights of the American people. Why not get THEM involved

in all this too. At the VERY LEAST, more Americans will realize THROUGH

THE MEDIA what is happening to them and thus more pressure can be

imposed on those who are trying to push these forced vaccinations. The

American Center for Law and Justice, http://www.aclj.org/ -- is ALWAYS

taking the U.S. Federal government to task on several issues such as

the new – SO CALLED "health care" bill and they are winning some cases

against the Feds. Have any American citizens actually alerted this vast

agency to help fight for their constitutional rights?! I think that

this organization can do a lot if it is asked by the American people.I’m not an American citizen so they won’t help me.Definitely worth a try if you are living in the U.S.A! The truth needs to get out – FAST!MarkFrom: themiddleapostle <themiddleapostle@...>Subject: Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birminghamno-forced-vaccination Received: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:23 PM

Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find a way to fight the ignorance.

Lemoyen

>

> There

> > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the

> > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

> >

> > Lemoyen

> >

> </clip>

>

[Guest guest]

I THINK THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.I see so many individual efforts

here, and this is good! However, vast numbers of individuals plus

extremely vast public exposure is also a great advantage!Does ANYONE know about the AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE? http://www.aclj.org/This

organization is known WORLD WIDE! Yes, world wide. They stand up for

constitutional rights of the American people. Why not get THEM involved

in all this too. At the VERY LEAST, more Americans will realize THROUGH

THE MEDIA what is happening to them and thus more pressure can be

imposed on those who are trying to push these forced vaccinations. The

American Center for Law and Justice, http://www.aclj.org/ -- is ALWAYS

taking the U.S. Federal government to task on several issues such as

the new – SO CALLED "health care" bill and they are winning some cases

against the Feds. Have any American citizens actually alerted this vast

agency to help fight for their constitutional rights?! I think that

this organization can do a lot if it is asked by the American people.I’m not an American citizen so they won’t help me.Definitely worth a try if you are living in the U.S.A! The truth needs to get out – FAST!MarkFrom: themiddleapostle <themiddleapostle@...>Subject: Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birminghamno-forced-vaccination Received: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:23 PM

Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find a way to fight the ignorance.

Lemoyen

>

> There

> > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the

> > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

> >

> > Lemoyen

> >

> </clip>

>

[Guest guest]

I THINK THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.I see so many individual efforts

here, and this is good! However, vast numbers of individuals plus

extremely vast public exposure is also a great advantage!Does ANYONE know about the AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE? http://www.aclj.org/This

organization is known WORLD WIDE! Yes, world wide. They stand up for

constitutional rights of the American people. Why not get THEM involved

in all this too. At the VERY LEAST, more Americans will realize THROUGH

THE MEDIA what is happening to them and thus more pressure can be

imposed on those who are trying to push these forced vaccinations. The

American Center for Law and Justice, http://www.aclj.org/ -- is ALWAYS

taking the U.S. Federal government to task on several issues such as

the new – SO CALLED "health care" bill and they are winning some cases

against the Feds. Have any American citizens actually alerted this vast

agency to help fight for their constitutional rights?! I think that

this organization can do a lot if it is asked by the American people.I’m not an American citizen so they won’t help me.Definitely worth a try if you are living in the U.S.A! The truth needs to get out – FAST!MarkFrom: themiddleapostle <themiddleapostle@...>Subject: Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birminghamno-forced-vaccination Received: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 12:23 PM

Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find a way to fight the ignorance.

Lemoyen

>

> There

> > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

> > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the

> > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the

> > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

> >

> > Lemoyen

> >

> </clip>

>

[Guest guest]

Your efforts are much appreciated. Don't feel discouraged by the

general apathy to this issue.

- Harish

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM,

themiddleapostle<themiddleapostle@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that

> way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find

> a way to fight the ignorance.

>

> Lemoyen

>

[Guest guest]

Your efforts are much appreciated. Don't feel discouraged by the

general apathy to this issue.

- Harish

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM,

themiddleapostle<themiddleapostle@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that

> way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find

> a way to fight the ignorance.

>

> Lemoyen

>

[Guest guest]

Your efforts are much appreciated. Don't feel discouraged by the

general apathy to this issue.

- Harish

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM,

themiddleapostle<themiddleapostle@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that

> way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find

> a way to fight the ignorance.

>

> Lemoyen

>

[Guest guest]

Your efforts are much appreciated. Don't feel discouraged by the

general apathy to this issue.

- Harish

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM,

themiddleapostle<themiddleapostle@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes, I agree. But the majority of people in that room did not think that

> way. There is a lot of ignorance abourt vaccines out there. We need to find

> a way to fight the ignorance.

>

> Lemoyen

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. Getting out the word is so important. I think you have a great idea.

I am all for it!

Lemoyen

>

> >

>

> > There

>

> > > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

>

> > > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the

>

> > > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of

the

>

> > > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

>

> > >

>

> > > Lemoyen

>

> > >

>

> > </clip>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. Getting out the word is so important. I think you have a great idea.

I am all for it!

Lemoyen

>

> >

>

> > There

>

> > > were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about

>

> > > vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go " full throttle " with the

>

> > > vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of

the

>

> > > 100 people wanted a moderate approach.

>

> > >

>

> > > Lemoyen

>

> > >

>

> > </clip>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

themiddleapostle,

Regarding Baxter Labs. I have a page and some subpages dedicated to the phoney(?) pandemic at http://abomi.home.mindspring.com Click on the "pandemic" link on the main menu. Please send me your best links to articles and videos through the "E-Mail" option at the bottom of the webpage (any of the languages used there), esp. Spanish. I've just started reading the e-mail on this list, so I don't know altogether where people are coming from; but I'm a Leftist who pays close attention to the best of the Right because they often have the facts along with some exaggerated opinions. The Government strategy is to divide and rule, Left from Right and Right from Left.

There was an excellent podcast today:

welcomes to the show Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, a Chicago physician and author of Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate, available at the Infowars Store. Dr. Eisenstein has taken up the cause of protecting the public from government and big pharma schemes to vaccinate millions of people, including children, for the hyped H1N1 flu pandemic this autumn.

Copy these links into the URL strip of your audio player.

Part 1 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825093.mp3

Part 2 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825094.mp3

Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birmingham

No, they did not mention Baxter's big mistake, for lack of a better word. And yes I don't think the government should do any more business with Baxter, but they did not call any pharmaceutical company by name. They just said that the government had ordered a batch of vaccines from one company and if that company did not come through, they had another company as a back-up comany, but they did not say who it was. They said that they learned their lesson during another mass vaccination when the company that was supposed to supply the vaccines was not able to meet their order, so they said this time they had a back-up company.Let me also say this: I was in the minority in that room. I was saying and voting "Go slow" every chance I was given. I did everything I could to influence my group in that direction, and I was asking the tough questions in the large group like Has the decision been made whether to use adjuvants in the vaccine? The doctor said the decision had not been made. I also asked when the safety trials would be finished. He didn't answer that one. There were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the 100 people wanted a moderate approach.Lemoyen>> Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with> live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If> they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to> push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.> At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter> should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think> ?> > Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as> technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from> eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their> stooges into more areas....> > - Harish> > They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the> > vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the> > priority groups to receive the vaccine. They said that today we would have> > small group discussions as to whether the government should "go slow" or> > take a moderate approach, or go "full throttle" with the H1N1 vaccine. He> > said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,> > 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.> > He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.> > 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and> > a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.> > They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people> > allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine. They showed us a video and a> > power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.> > People asked questions until lunch time. They told us to begin our small> > group discussions after lunch. I had brought a copy of the Dutch> > Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,> > 2004. I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch. She seemed very> > surprised by the results.> >>

[Guest guest]

themiddleapostle,

Regarding Baxter Labs. I have a page and some subpages dedicated to the phoney(?) pandemic at http://abomi.home.mindspring.com Click on the "pandemic" link on the main menu. Please send me your best links to articles and videos through the "E-Mail" option at the bottom of the webpage (any of the languages used there), esp. Spanish. I've just started reading the e-mail on this list, so I don't know altogether where people are coming from; but I'm a Leftist who pays close attention to the best of the Right because they often have the facts along with some exaggerated opinions. The Government strategy is to divide and rule, Left from Right and Right from Left.

There was an excellent podcast today:

welcomes to the show Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, a Chicago physician and author of Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate, available at the Infowars Store. Dr. Eisenstein has taken up the cause of protecting the public from government and big pharma schemes to vaccinate millions of people, including children, for the hyped H1N1 flu pandemic this autumn.

Copy these links into the URL strip of your audio player.

Part 1 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825093.mp3

Part 2 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825094.mp3

Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birmingham

No, they did not mention Baxter's big mistake, for lack of a better word. And yes I don't think the government should do any more business with Baxter, but they did not call any pharmaceutical company by name. They just said that the government had ordered a batch of vaccines from one company and if that company did not come through, they had another company as a back-up comany, but they did not say who it was. They said that they learned their lesson during another mass vaccination when the company that was supposed to supply the vaccines was not able to meet their order, so they said this time they had a back-up company.Let me also say this: I was in the minority in that room. I was saying and voting "Go slow" every chance I was given. I did everything I could to influence my group in that direction, and I was asking the tough questions in the large group like Has the decision been made whether to use adjuvants in the vaccine? The doctor said the decision had not been made. I also asked when the safety trials would be finished. He didn't answer that one. There were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the 100 people wanted a moderate approach.Lemoyen>> Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with> live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If> they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to> push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.> At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter> should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think> ?> > Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as> technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from> eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their> stooges into more areas....> > - Harish> > They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the> > vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the> > priority groups to receive the vaccine. They said that today we would have> > small group discussions as to whether the government should "go slow" or> > take a moderate approach, or go "full throttle" with the H1N1 vaccine. He> > said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,> > 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.> > He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.> > 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and> > a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.> > They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people> > allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine. They showed us a video and a> > power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.> > People asked questions until lunch time. They told us to begin our small> > group discussions after lunch. I had brought a copy of the Dutch> > Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,> > 2004. I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch. She seemed very> > surprised by the results.> >>

[Guest guest]

themiddleapostle,

Regarding Baxter Labs. I have a page and some subpages dedicated to the phoney(?) pandemic at http://abomi.home.mindspring.com Click on the "pandemic" link on the main menu. Please send me your best links to articles and videos through the "E-Mail" option at the bottom of the webpage (any of the languages used there), esp. Spanish. I've just started reading the e-mail on this list, so I don't know altogether where people are coming from; but I'm a Leftist who pays close attention to the best of the Right because they often have the facts along with some exaggerated opinions. The Government strategy is to divide and rule, Left from Right and Right from Left.

There was an excellent podcast today:

welcomes to the show Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, a Chicago physician and author of Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate, available at the Infowars Store. Dr. Eisenstein has taken up the cause of protecting the public from government and big pharma schemes to vaccinate millions of people, including children, for the hyped H1N1 flu pandemic this autumn.

Copy these links into the URL strip of your audio player.

Part 1 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825093.mp3

Part 2 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825094.mp3

Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birmingham

No, they did not mention Baxter's big mistake, for lack of a better word. And yes I don't think the government should do any more business with Baxter, but they did not call any pharmaceutical company by name. They just said that the government had ordered a batch of vaccines from one company and if that company did not come through, they had another company as a back-up comany, but they did not say who it was. They said that they learned their lesson during another mass vaccination when the company that was supposed to supply the vaccines was not able to meet their order, so they said this time they had a back-up company.Let me also say this: I was in the minority in that room. I was saying and voting "Go slow" every chance I was given. I did everything I could to influence my group in that direction, and I was asking the tough questions in the large group like Has the decision been made whether to use adjuvants in the vaccine? The doctor said the decision had not been made. I also asked when the safety trials would be finished. He didn't answer that one. There were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the 100 people wanted a moderate approach.Lemoyen>> Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with> live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If> they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to> push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.> At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter> should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think> ?> > Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as> technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from> eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their> stooges into more areas....> > - Harish> > They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the> > vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the> > priority groups to receive the vaccine. They said that today we would have> > small group discussions as to whether the government should "go slow" or> > take a moderate approach, or go "full throttle" with the H1N1 vaccine. He> > said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,> > 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.> > He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.> > 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and> > a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.> > They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people> > allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine. They showed us a video and a> > power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.> > People asked questions until lunch time. They told us to begin our small> > group discussions after lunch. I had brought a copy of the Dutch> > Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,> > 2004. I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch. She seemed very> > surprised by the results.> >>

[Guest guest]

themiddleapostle,

Regarding Baxter Labs. I have a page and some subpages dedicated to the phoney(?) pandemic at http://abomi.home.mindspring.com Click on the "pandemic" link on the main menu. Please send me your best links to articles and videos through the "E-Mail" option at the bottom of the webpage (any of the languages used there), esp. Spanish. I've just started reading the e-mail on this list, so I don't know altogether where people are coming from; but I'm a Leftist who pays close attention to the best of the Right because they often have the facts along with some exaggerated opinions. The Government strategy is to divide and rule, Left from Right and Right from Left.

There was an excellent podcast today:

welcomes to the show Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, a Chicago physician and author of Don't Vaccinate Before You Educate, available at the Infowars Store. Dr. Eisenstein has taken up the cause of protecting the public from government and big pharma schemes to vaccinate millions of people, including children, for the hyped H1N1 flu pandemic this autumn.

Copy these links into the URL strip of your audio player.

Part 1 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825093.mp3

Part 2 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast//alex/0825094.mp3

Re: The Public Engagement Project on the H1N1 Vaccination Program 8/15/09-Birmingham

No, they did not mention Baxter's big mistake, for lack of a better word. And yes I don't think the government should do any more business with Baxter, but they did not call any pharmaceutical company by name. They just said that the government had ordered a batch of vaccines from one company and if that company did not come through, they had another company as a back-up comany, but they did not say who it was. They said that they learned their lesson during another mass vaccination when the company that was supposed to supply the vaccines was not able to meet their order, so they said this time they had a back-up company.Let me also say this: I was in the minority in that room. I was saying and voting "Go slow" every chance I was given. I did everything I could to influence my group in that direction, and I was asking the tough questions in the large group like Has the decision been made whether to use adjuvants in the vaccine? The doctor said the decision had not been made. I also asked when the safety trials would be finished. He didn't answer that one. There were about half a dozen of us in the room that kept hammering them about vaccine safety, but at least 24 who wanted to go "full throttle" with the vaccine (I think just out of ignorance about vaccines). The majority of the 100 people wanted a moderate approach.Lemoyen>> Did they say anything about the contamination of flu vaccines with> live birdflu virus by companies ( Baxter ) licensed in the U.S. If> they did NOTHING then, its worrying in itself that they are trying to> push vaccines outside of the issues with vaccine caused illness.> At the very least, the license to manufacture vaccines by Baxter> should be pulled until the safety measures are reviewed dont you think> ?> > Dont fall for this people, they have used contamination and disease as> technique to conquer and subdue the people all over the world from> eons. This is just the latest case of them trying to muscle in their> stooges into more areas....> > - Harish> > They said that some desicions had already been made, such as the> > vaccine is not mandatory, the amountof vaccine being manufactured, and the> > priority groups to receive the vaccine. They said that today we would have> > small group discussions as to whether the government should "go slow" or> > take a moderate approach, or go "full throttle" with the H1N1 vaccine. He> > said there would be web dialogues on August 26-27 and August 31-September 1,> > 2009 at www.keystone.org/H1N1, www.ppc.unl.edu, and www.webdialogues.net.> > He said there would be stakeholder meetings in Washington, D.C. on Sept.> > 10th and 11th, 2009, and that the University of Nebraska had a pre-test and> > a post-test for us and would compose a final report on September 30, 2009.> > They said the vaccine was made from eggs (not green monkeys?) and people> > allergice to eggs could not take the vaccine. They showed us a video and a> > power point and then they opened it up for questions from the whole group.> > People asked questions until lunch time. They told us to begin our small> > group discussions after lunch. I had brought a copy of the Dutch> > Association for Conscientious Vaccination independent study in December 1,> > 2004. I shared it with our group facilitator during lunch. She seemed very> > surprised by the results.> >>