Re: Your Going To Find This Hard To Swallow

[Guest guest]

Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

[Guest guest]

Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

[Guest guest]

Hamish,

Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by the

pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of " burying

our heads in the sand " .

Ingrid

Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hamish,

Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by the

pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of " burying

our heads in the sand " .

Ingrid

Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hamish,

Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by the

pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of " burying

our heads in the sand " .

Ingrid

Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hamish,

Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by the

pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of " burying

our heads in the sand " .

Ingrid

Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Listen. If you dont like the facts then dont pretend that the source

is not credible. If you've done research, and read scientific data,

then you'd already have come to the same conclusions. Its called

inference. **BLINK BLINK** No one from FEMA / DHS will tell you how it

is that they intend to carry out their program to vaccinate the

population and why they need to spend billions of dollars on a flu

that has treatments readily available.

If you need citations, let me know and I'll email you the relevant

documents to support the facts. If it's beyond you or if you dont have

the time, then I understand.

HARISH

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ingrid Blank<enb1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hamish,

>

> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by the

> pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

> the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

> every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of " burying

> our heads in the sand " .

>

> Ingrid

>

> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

And precisely what evidence-based FACTS were contained in that nonsensical

article you posted to this forum? I am waiting with bated breath for the

" relevant documents to support the facts " , particularly with regard to the

following mind-boggling claims:

1.the swine flu injection needles indeed contain nano particles

in their very tip, which cannot be detected with the naked eye but

are clearly visible with as little as a 12 times magnifying microscope

like children’s toy microscopes

2.Hamer: Yes, but the objectors (death chip opposers are traitors) are

not going to be put into normal prisons but in especially prepared

concentration camps of which hundreds have been prepared all over the

country. And you can leave those only by getting chipped. And once you are

outside it is open season through the death chip. By chance these

people are then going to drop dead like flies after their release.

3.One has to consider realistically what it would be like to carry this

death chip and know that any day you can simply be switched off by the

Centre in Tel Aviv. You are completely defenceless against that and

complaining won’t do you any good: “If I only had known...” Therefore

it is really important for the ruling class to keep the people in the

dark about it as long as possible.

Once the slaves have the death chip implanted they are allowed to know

about it. Then they will be like trained poodles. Nobody will dare to

speak up. It will be like among the Masonic brethren. Everybody knows

that the moment he utters a word of dissent, he will be served poison

in the coffee by the always Jewish Grand Master and won’t survive

another day. The whole world is going to be a concentration camp full

of slaves, except for the members of one religious group. To have the

death chip implanted is the potential personal death sentence at any

given time.

How naive do you have to be to demand of Mossad and the CIA to

disclose what their real intentions are, “to table the facts”? The

mouse never believes the cat will come.

Enough said! The fact that Jane Burgermeister quickly removed this appalling

piece of drivel from her website after somebody told her that her

credibility is at stake, speaks for itself.

Our forum can likewise not afford to lose its credibility and integrity.

Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not be

posted.

Ingrid

Listen. If you dont like the facts then dont pretend that the source

is not credible. If you've done research, and read scientific data,

then you'd already have come to the same conclusions. Its called

inference. **BLINK BLINK** No one from FEMA / DHS will tell you how it

is that they intend to carry out their program to vaccinate the

population and why they need to spend billions of dollars on a flu

that has treatments readily available.

If you need citations, let me know and I'll email you the relevant

documents to support the facts. If it's beyond you or if you dont have

the time, then I understand.

HARISH

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ingrid Blank<enb1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hamish,

>

> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by

the

> pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

> the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

> every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of

" burying

> our heads in the sand " .

>

> Ingrid

>

> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

And precisely what evidence-based FACTS were contained in that nonsensical

article you posted to this forum? I am waiting with bated breath for the

" relevant documents to support the facts " , particularly with regard to the

following mind-boggling claims:

1.the swine flu injection needles indeed contain nano particles

in their very tip, which cannot be detected with the naked eye but

are clearly visible with as little as a 12 times magnifying microscope

like children’s toy microscopes

2.Hamer: Yes, but the objectors (death chip opposers are traitors) are

not going to be put into normal prisons but in especially prepared

concentration camps of which hundreds have been prepared all over the

country. And you can leave those only by getting chipped. And once you are

outside it is open season through the death chip. By chance these

people are then going to drop dead like flies after their release.

3.One has to consider realistically what it would be like to carry this

death chip and know that any day you can simply be switched off by the

Centre in Tel Aviv. You are completely defenceless against that and

complaining won’t do you any good: “If I only had known...” Therefore

it is really important for the ruling class to keep the people in the

dark about it as long as possible.

Once the slaves have the death chip implanted they are allowed to know

about it. Then they will be like trained poodles. Nobody will dare to

speak up. It will be like among the Masonic brethren. Everybody knows

that the moment he utters a word of dissent, he will be served poison

in the coffee by the always Jewish Grand Master and won’t survive

another day. The whole world is going to be a concentration camp full

of slaves, except for the members of one religious group. To have the

death chip implanted is the potential personal death sentence at any

given time.

How naive do you have to be to demand of Mossad and the CIA to

disclose what their real intentions are, “to table the facts”? The

mouse never believes the cat will come.

Enough said! The fact that Jane Burgermeister quickly removed this appalling

piece of drivel from her website after somebody told her that her

credibility is at stake, speaks for itself.

Our forum can likewise not afford to lose its credibility and integrity.

Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not be

posted.

Ingrid

Listen. If you dont like the facts then dont pretend that the source

is not credible. If you've done research, and read scientific data,

then you'd already have come to the same conclusions. Its called

inference. **BLINK BLINK** No one from FEMA / DHS will tell you how it

is that they intend to carry out their program to vaccinate the

population and why they need to spend billions of dollars on a flu

that has treatments readily available.

If you need citations, let me know and I'll email you the relevant

documents to support the facts. If it's beyond you or if you dont have

the time, then I understand.

HARISH

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ingrid Blank<enb1@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hamish,

>

> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,

> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid

> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded by

the

> pharma cartel, are constantly told " not to believe everything you read on

> the Internet " . And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and

> every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically

> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!

> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't

> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated

> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of

" burying

> our heads in the sand " .

>

> Ingrid

>

> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the " Greatest Literary Hoax of All Time " as recorded by the Guiness Book

of World Records deserves posting in light of the following information.

Still, President Lyndon B. apparently couldn't be sure that his

predecessor ( F. Kennedy) hadn't commissioned the Iron Mountain Report.

According to US News and World Report, the President " hit the roof " upon

learning of it and ordered that the report be " bottled up for all time " .'

However, it was not until five years later that the Iron Mountain Report was

confirmed to be a hoax. In 1972, fretting how the Pentagon Papers and other

documents about the Vietnam War " read like parodies of Iron Mountain rather than

the reverse " [1], Dr. Kurt Lewin confessed (he lied) in the March 19 New York

Times Book Review that he had written the entire report. It was even listed in

the Guinness Book of World Records as the " Most Successful Literary Hoax. "

On November 26, 1976, the Iron Mountain Report was reviewed in the book section

of the Washington Post by Herschel McLandress, which was the pen name for

Harvard Professor Galbraith. Galbraith, who also had been a member

of the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and an advisor to President Kennedy,

said that he knew firsthand of the report's authenticity because he had been

invited to participate in it. Although he was unable to be part of the official

group, he was consulted from time to time and had been asked to keep the project

a secret. Furthermore, while he doubted the wisdom of letting the public know

about the report, he agreed totally with its conclusions.

He wrote: 'As I would put my personal repute behind the authenticity of this

document, so would I testify to the validity of its conclusions. My reservation

relates only to the wisdom of releasing it to an obviously unconditioned

public.'[2]

TEXT: THE REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/ironmtn.html

VIDEO: Iron Mountain- The Blue Print For Tyranny

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6745627342652553091#

> Our forum can likewise not afford to lose its credibility and integrity.

Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not be posted.

[Guest guest]

Then add this to the equation...

Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government

If world government is to be achieved by consent, the world must be sold on the

idea of world government and its necessity.

http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articl...a_serves_a.htm

A description of this supposed admission can be found in the 1982 Executive

Intelligence Review Special Report " Global 2000: blueprint for genocide. "

Global 2000

The Club of Rome commissioned Cyrus Vance, Jimmy 's Secretary of State to

write The Global 2000 report. This is a Draconian plan to reduce the world's

population by means of wars, famine, diseases, and plagues. The HIV virus and

the Aids epidemic became a part of this plan.

The Club of Rome appears to base much of its important decisions affecting

mankind on the philosophy of Polish aristocrat, Felix Dzerzinski, who regarded

mankind as being slightly above the level of cattle.

In 1976, the United States Association of the Club of Rome (USACOR) was formed

for the purpose of shutting down the U.S. economy gradually.

It is being implimented under Agenda 21 as well as other sub programs such as

CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (depopulation that is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLI8UVdTzQ

The Technetronic Era

The Club of Rome commissioned Zbigniew Brzezinski, s National Security

Advisor, (who also with Rockefeller formed The Trilateral Commission in

1973), to write The Technetronic Era. This is a post-industrial zero growth plan

designed in part to cripple U.S. industry in order to prepare us for the New

World Order.

NATO-Club of Rome officials charged with urgent anti-NASA action were Harland

Cleveland, ph Slater, Claiborne K. Pell, Walter J. Levy, McGhee,

Watts, Strausz-Hupe (U.S. ambassador to NATO) and Lesh. In

May 1967 a meeting was organized by the Scientific and Technological Committee

of the North Atlantic Assembly and the Foreign Policy Research Institute. It was

called " Conference on Transatlantic Imbalance and Collabora-tion " and it was

held at Queen 's palatial property in Deauville, France.

The basic purpose and intent of the conference at Deauville was to end U.S.

technological and industrial progress.

Out of the conference came two books, one of which is mentioned herein,

Brzezinski's " Technotronic Era. " The other was written by conference chairman,

Aurellio Peccei, entitled " The Chasm Ahead. " Peccei largely agreed with

Brzezinski, but added that there would be chaos in a future world NOT RULED BY A

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

>

Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not be posted.

>

> Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Then add this to the equation...

Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government

If world government is to be achieved by consent, the world must be sold on the

idea of world government and its necessity.

http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articl...a_serves_a.htm

A description of this supposed admission can be found in the 1982 Executive

Intelligence Review Special Report " Global 2000: blueprint for genocide. "

Global 2000

The Club of Rome commissioned Cyrus Vance, Jimmy 's Secretary of State to

write The Global 2000 report. This is a Draconian plan to reduce the world's

population by means of wars, famine, diseases, and plagues. The HIV virus and

the Aids epidemic became a part of this plan.

The Club of Rome appears to base much of its important decisions affecting

mankind on the philosophy of Polish aristocrat, Felix Dzerzinski, who regarded

mankind as being slightly above the level of cattle.

In 1976, the United States Association of the Club of Rome (USACOR) was formed

for the purpose of shutting down the U.S. economy gradually.

It is being implimented under Agenda 21 as well as other sub programs such as

CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (depopulation that is)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLI8UVdTzQ

The Technetronic Era

The Club of Rome commissioned Zbigniew Brzezinski, s National Security

Advisor, (who also with Rockefeller formed The Trilateral Commission in

1973), to write The Technetronic Era. This is a post-industrial zero growth plan

designed in part to cripple U.S. industry in order to prepare us for the New

World Order.

NATO-Club of Rome officials charged with urgent anti-NASA action were Harland

Cleveland, ph Slater, Claiborne K. Pell, Walter J. Levy, McGhee,

Watts, Strausz-Hupe (U.S. ambassador to NATO) and Lesh. In

May 1967 a meeting was organized by the Scientific and Technological Committee

of the North Atlantic Assembly and the Foreign Policy Research Institute. It was

called " Conference on Transatlantic Imbalance and Collabora-tion " and it was

held at Queen 's palatial property in Deauville, France.

The basic purpose and intent of the conference at Deauville was to end U.S.

technological and industrial progress.

Out of the conference came two books, one of which is mentioned herein,

Brzezinski's " Technotronic Era. " The other was written by conference chairman,

Aurellio Peccei, entitled " The Chasm Ahead. " Peccei largely agreed with

Brzezinski, but added that there would be chaos in a future world NOT RULED BY A

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

>

Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not be posted.

>

> Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Poisoned Horses Excerpts

Justus's horses are found to be suffering from chronic fluoride poisoning from

drinking fluoridated water. Study published in peer reviewed scientific

literature.

Chickens Not Fooled by GM Crops

Posted by: Dr. Mercola

September 05 2009

In this case, the chicken feed turned out to contain BT1, an insecticide, plus

built-in Roundup that makes it weed resistant.

If GM Crops Harm Animals, What are They Doing to You?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/05/Chickens-Not-Foole\

d-by-GM-Crops.aspx

The well-known scientist Dr. Arpad Pusztai stated in an article last

year, " Reality really started to dawn on genetic scientists with the completion

of the human genome project showing that the dogma of genetic determinism, the

science basis of genetic engineering was untrue, as the less than 30,000 genes

could not possibly code for the about 200,000 cellular proteins.

It was also realized that the about 97 percent non-gene " junk " DNA has a

decisive role in the genome. Our primitive splicing techniques together with our

inability to direct the transgene into " safe " zones in the genome, if such zones

exist at all, were shown to lead to insertional mutagenesis with unpredictable

consequences.

Although it is impossible to forecast in advance what these consequences for

health and the environment will be, a few independent studies have already

shown… new anti-nutrients, toxins, and allergens were formed as by-products of

gene-splicing, and other, mainly unpredictable immunity-related problems also

occurred.

… the industry still hangs on to the less costly but unscientific principle of

" substantial equivalence " , i.e. the near identity of the GE crop with its parent

line, as their main " safety testing, " and only commission simple contract animal

feeding/production studies as a last resort to support their case of

human/animal safety.

In fact, there are hardly more than over two dozens of published academic animal

safety studies, and the results of only one human trial have been published, and

even that was not a full clinical study (Netherwood et al. 2004). "

Dr. Pusztai's earlier research into the effects of GM potatoes showed that rats

suffered from weakened immune systems and stunted growth of their internal

organs, including the liver, kidneys and brain, on such a diet. There is also

compelling evidence indicating GM potatoes may cause cancer.

As is frequently the case, Dr. Pusztai's disturbing findings of the human

nutritional consequences of GM foods cost him his job. The British Rowett

Research Institute fired him in 1998, as the results had far-reaching

implications for the biotech industry, which insisted that GM products would not

have any adverse effects on human health.

You are target of a Massive Depopulation Agenda.

[Guest guest]

Not to make matters worse, but "nano" particles are in the range of a nanometer , at least not too many times bigger - a nanometer is a billionth of a meter, that's 1 millionth of the size, approximately, of the letter "o" as printed in ordinary small type on a printed page. That's about 1,000 times less than the resolving power of an optical microscope at 1,000 power. A 12x magnifier is not usually considered a "microscope," but a nanometer would be about 100,000 times the less than the diameter you could see with such a magnifying glass. I really don't know what the upper limit is on what is considered a nanoparticle, but it would be far smaller than what could be seen with any optical microscope, let alone a 12x magnifying glass.

Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, but the notions conveyed in these claims do not conform to what is called science or to what is realistic, and the terminology used is homespun fantasy. Anyone with a good background in science can see that.

From: Ingrid Blank <enb1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 11:11:03 PMSubject: RE: Your Going To Find This Hard To Swallow

And precisely what evidence-based FACTS were contained in that nonsensicalarticle you posted to this forum? I am waiting with bated breath for the"relevant documents to support the facts", particularly with regard to thefollowing mind-boggling claims:1.the swine flu injection needles indeed contain nano particlesin their very tip, which cannot be detected with the naked eye butare clearly visible with as little as a 12 times magnifying microscopelike children’s toy microscopes2.Hamer: Yes, but the objectors (death chip opposers are traitors) arenot going to be put into normal prisons but in especially preparedconcentration camps of which hundreds have been prepared all over thecountry. And you can leave those only by getting chipped. And once you areoutside it is open season through the death chip. By chance thesepeople are then going to drop dead like flies after their

release.3.One has to consider realistically what it would be like to carry thisdeath chip and know that any day you can simply be switched off by theCentre in Tel Aviv. You are completely defenceless against that andcomplaining won’t do you any good: “If I only had known...†Thereforeit is really important for the ruling class to keep the people in thedark about it as long as possible.Once the slaves have the death chip implanted they are allowed to knowabout it. Then they will be like trained poodles. Nobody will dare tospeak up. It will be like among the Masonic brethren. Everybody knowsthat the moment he utters a word of dissent, he will be served poisonin the coffee by the always Jewish Grand Master and won’t surviveanother day. The whole world is going to be a concentration camp fullof slaves, except for the members of one religious group. To have thedeath chip implanted is the

potential personal death sentence at anygiven time.How naive do you have to be to demand of Mossad and the CIA todisclose what their real intentions are, “to table the facts� Themouse never believes the cat will come.Enough said! The fact that Jane Burgermeister quickly removed this appallingpiece of drivel from her website after somebody told her that hercredibility is at stake, speaks for itself.Our forum can likewise not afford to lose its credibility and integrity.Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not beposted.IngridListen. If you dont like the facts then dont pretend that the sourceis not credible. If you've done research, and read scientific data,then you'd already have come to the same conclusions. Its calledinference. **BLINK BLINK** No one from FEMA / DHS will tell you how itis that they intend to carry out their program to

vaccinate thepopulation and why they need to spend billions of dollars on a fluthat has treatments readily available.If you need citations, let me know and I'll email you the relevantdocuments to support the facts. If it's beyond you or if you dont havethe time, then I understand.HARISHOn Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ingrid Blank<enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote:>>> Hamish,>> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded bythe> pharma cartel, are constantly told "not to believe everything you read on> the Internet". And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and>

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of"burying> our heads in the sand".>> Ingrid>> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

Not to make matters worse, but "nano" particles are in the range of a nanometer , at least not too many times bigger - a nanometer is a billionth of a meter, that's 1 millionth of the size, approximately, of the letter "o" as printed in ordinary small type on a printed page. That's about 1,000 times less than the resolving power of an optical microscope at 1,000 power. A 12x magnifier is not usually considered a "microscope," but a nanometer would be about 100,000 times the less than the diameter you could see with such a magnifying glass. I really don't know what the upper limit is on what is considered a nanoparticle, but it would be far smaller than what could be seen with any optical microscope, let alone a 12x magnifying glass.

Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, but the notions conveyed in these claims do not conform to what is called science or to what is realistic, and the terminology used is homespun fantasy. Anyone with a good background in science can see that.

From: Ingrid Blank <enb1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 11:11:03 PMSubject: RE: Your Going To Find This Hard To Swallow

And precisely what evidence-based FACTS were contained in that nonsensicalarticle you posted to this forum? I am waiting with bated breath for the"relevant documents to support the facts", particularly with regard to thefollowing mind-boggling claims:1.the swine flu injection needles indeed contain nano particlesin their very tip, which cannot be detected with the naked eye butare clearly visible with as little as a 12 times magnifying microscopelike children’s toy microscopes2.Hamer: Yes, but the objectors (death chip opposers are traitors) arenot going to be put into normal prisons but in especially preparedconcentration camps of which hundreds have been prepared all over thecountry. And you can leave those only by getting chipped. And once you areoutside it is open season through the death chip. By chance thesepeople are then going to drop dead like flies after their

release.3.One has to consider realistically what it would be like to carry thisdeath chip and know that any day you can simply be switched off by theCentre in Tel Aviv. You are completely defenceless against that andcomplaining won’t do you any good: “If I only had known...†Thereforeit is really important for the ruling class to keep the people in thedark about it as long as possible.Once the slaves have the death chip implanted they are allowed to knowabout it. Then they will be like trained poodles. Nobody will dare tospeak up. It will be like among the Masonic brethren. Everybody knowsthat the moment he utters a word of dissent, he will be served poisonin the coffee by the always Jewish Grand Master and won’t surviveanother day. The whole world is going to be a concentration camp fullof slaves, except for the members of one religious group. To have thedeath chip implanted is the

potential personal death sentence at anygiven time.How naive do you have to be to demand of Mossad and the CIA todisclose what their real intentions are, “to table the facts� Themouse never believes the cat will come.Enough said! The fact that Jane Burgermeister quickly removed this appallingpiece of drivel from her website after somebody told her that hercredibility is at stake, speaks for itself.Our forum can likewise not afford to lose its credibility and integrity.Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not beposted.IngridListen. If you dont like the facts then dont pretend that the sourceis not credible. If you've done research, and read scientific data,then you'd already have come to the same conclusions. Its calledinference. **BLINK BLINK** No one from FEMA / DHS will tell you how itis that they intend to carry out their program to

vaccinate thepopulation and why they need to spend billions of dollars on a fluthat has treatments readily available.If you need citations, let me know and I'll email you the relevantdocuments to support the facts. If it's beyond you or if you dont havethe time, then I understand.HARISHOn Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ingrid Blank<enb1telkomsa (DOT) net> wrote:>>> Hamish,>> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded bythe> pharma cartel, are constantly told "not to believe everything you read on> the Internet". And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each and>

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of"burying> our heads in the sand".>> Ingrid>> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

Listen to a man who knew he was dieing and did die of cancer.

Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD and RFID Chips to Russo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

>

> Not to make matters worse, but " nano " particles are in the range of a

nanometer , at least not too many times bigger - a nanometer is a billionth of a

meter, that's 1 millionth of the size, approximately, of the letter " o " as

printed in ordinary small type on a printed page. That's about 1,000 times less

than the resolving power of an optical microscope at 1,000 power. A 12x

magnifier is not usually considered a " microscope, " but a nanometer would be

about 100,000 times the less than the diameter you could see with such a

magnifying glass. I really don't know what the upper limit is on what is

considered a nanoparticle, but it would be far smaller than what could be seen

with any optical microscope, let alone a 12x magnifying glass.

>  

> Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, but the notions conveyed in these

claims do not conform to what is called science or to what is realistic, and

the terminology used is homespun fantasy. Anyone with a good background in

science can see that.

[Guest guest]

Hi Harish,Your first link is in German but seems very interesting.Your 2nd link opens but says:  Sorry, there is nothing to be found here.... maybe they cut it out...

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Harish Singh <kumar.harish.singh@...> wrote:

Read this article to understand the roadmap that is awaiting the

people who are vaccinated. Even if you survive the deadly vaccines,

you'll remain a prisioner in your own house, city while being

monitored by the government every second of your existence. This is

the translation of the article at

http://welt-blog.ch/chip-sitzt-in-der-spritzen-spitze/

------------------------------------------------------------

The Chip is at the Tip of the Needle

By  Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer (New GermanMedicine)

Yesterday, 27 August 2009, I was giving an introductory talk about

German New Medicine (GNM) near Vienna, Austria. My wife was with me

and about 40 listeners. At the end as part of the discussion the swine

flu was mentioned and a lady got up and declared the following:

A friend of hers works for a pharmaceutical company in Vienna and told

her that the swine flu injection needles indeed contain nano particles

 in their very tip, which cannot be detected with the naked eye but

are clearly visible with as little as a 12 times magnifying microscope

like children’s toy microscopes. The staff of the pharmaceutical

company was advised that these nano particles work in the human body

like a motherboard in the computer and lots of data can be stored on

it, which will make cash cards obsolete. This measure was also

intended to do an accurate census and to protect babies, as many

mothers would simply “discard” their newborn, without knowledge of the

authorities.

This lady further disclosed that she was working in the medical field.

She had asked a lawyer who came to her as a patient, how it was

possible to avoid being chipped. He told her that he was aware of the

planned chipping of the population; in fact most upper class members

of society were aware of this plan. For this year no forced

vaccinations were planned but to rather encourage people through the

media to volunteer for the jab.

In case too few would come forward, forced vaccination was planned for

next year. Exempt from those were certain professional groups like the

police, medical personal, politicians etc. Being a lawyer, he knew

ways for himself to avoid the jab, but for the majority of the

population there was no escape.

Interview with Dr Gert Hamer (GNM) by  Helmut Pilhar (Engineer) ,

Wednesday, 26. August 2009

Hamer:  Within a few days our worst fears were indeed superseded by

this cruel reality.

Pilhar: Geerd, are you talking about the $1000 fine and 30 day arrest

threats for refusal to take the vaccination in the US?

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/1000-per-day-fine-and-30-days-in-jail-for-refusing-the-swine-flu-vaccine-in-massachusetts

Hamer: Yes, but the objectors (death chip opposers are traitors) are

not going to be put into normal prisons but in especially prepared

concentration camps of which hundreds have been prepared all over the

country http://info.kopp-verlag.de/news/amerikanische-konzentrationslager-fertig-und-einsatzbereit.html

.. And you can leave those only by getting chipped. And once you are

outside it is open season through the death chip. By chance these

people are then going to drop dead like flies after their release.

Pilhar: Are you talking about the beginning of the great population cull?

Hamer: It can only mean that.  Otherwise it does not make any sense to

get the military and the police involved, threaten with such draconian

penalties, all just to get the people to participate in a simple

seasonal flu shot campaign. It just does not make any other sense.

Apart from the fact that there cannot even be a vaccination like that.

You vaccinate in October (northern autumn) for the next summer. That

is totally laughable. With Tamiflu you can maybe suppress typical

healing phase symptoms for 2-3 weeks and even that is totally

brainless in the light of GNM.

Pilhar: It is noteworthy that in the US there are literally many

100,000plastic coffins stock piled

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual & VideoID=39130476

 What for? And apart from that the population has been systematically

stripped of weapons and protective dogs.

Hamer: You can best understand what the intent is by what is NOT

talked about. One may talk about the vaccination, but nobody mentions

the chip implanting by name. That is really strange because the

chipping is the obvious issue in the face of these massive

governmental measures. And that the Hitachi chip works and can be

combined with the death chip we already talked about during the last

interview.

The same can be seen in how my GNM ( German New Medicine) fared. For

28 years one was only allowed to discuss Hamer, the “Unperson”, but

not whether GNM actually works and whether its claims are repeatable,

and can be proven to work, in spite of 30 verified published results.

The same applies to Tamuflu! There are endless discussions about

Tamiflu causing harm but none about the chip. Of course Tamiflu is

harmful, it is a poison.  It is also very damaging in the healing

process or in the vagotonic phase of a pregnancy (last trimester). But

the death chip adds a whole new dimension. That this death chip is

going to be used without concern can be seen in the fact that chemo

and morphine have been used without concern in spite of final

mortality rates of 98%, while 98% could have survived with GNM.

Imagine the unscrupulousness of all oncologists, as they are fully

aware that GNM adds up from a scientific perspective and works

Pilhar: It is also very strange that the Americans have created this

Marshall Law, under which critics can be easily removed by the

thousands and millions. And once you have chipped the people they

cannot run away from you anymore.

Hamer:  It is obvious that this chip battle has been under preparation

for many years. The idiotic swine flu, that does not even really

exist, was actually the wrong tool: 3 dead pigs and one child, dead

from who knows what, with that they lied and constructed a worldwide

pandemic into existence. But it goes to show what a well organised

world press is able to achieve: They can turn a mole hill into a

mountain.

Pilhar:  It started with the AIDS lie, then followed the BSE lie.

After the 9/11 lie followed the Anthrax lie. Then it was the Bird Flu

lie, now it is the Swine Flu lie. Next year we’ll have the Mice Flu

lie. It all points to the “Endloesung”, the final solution. When

everybody has a chip then that will constitute the complete slavery,

then everybody can be manipulated and assassinated arbitrarily.

Hamer: First they jump on the babies and the pregnant women. They are

first to be treated with chips and Tamiflu. Many of the pregnant women

in their last trimester are going to lose their babies, because

Tamiflu is totally toxic. But also the women themselves can die, as

their bodies are vagotonic during the last trimester.  It is a known

fact that during vagotonia one flu shot or one morphine injection can

be deadly.

In the meantime there seems to be some panic in the US. Where in the

world can you flee to, people are asking themselves, where will you

not be forcibly injected with the death chip and have one free moment

away from your enemies?

One has to consider realistically what it would be like to carry this

death chip and know that any day you can simply be switched off by the

Centre in Tel Aviv.  You are completely defenceless against that and

complaining won’t do you any good:  “If I only had known...” Therefore

it is really important for the ruling class to keep the people in the

dark about it as long as possible.

Once the slaves have the death chip implanted they are allowed to know

about it. Then they will be like trained poodles. Nobody will dare to

speak up. It will be like among the Masonic brethren.  Everybody knows

that  the moment he utters a word of dissent, he will be served poison

in the coffee by the always Jewish Grand Master and won’t survive

another day.  The whole world is going to be a concentration camp full

of slaves, except for the members of one religious group. To have the

death chip implanted is the potential personal death sentence at any

given time.

How naive do you have to be to demand of Mossad and the CIA to

disclose what their real intentions are, “to table the facts”? The

mouse never believes the cat will come.

In a company with several hundred staff, which produces, or better

fills the injection needles for the chip vaccination, it will only

need one or two “reliable” people to insert the chip at the end. Then

all the other workers can confirm that they knew nothing.  This is

called “quality control” and “final check” and appears completely

normal.

Strange is too that every single chip vaccination needle has its own

individual code number, which is added to the ID number. Why else

would the silly “summer flu shot” needle have its own individual

number and why should the passport accompany the supposed flu

vaccination? And why do the Americans not want to let anybody into the

country who does not have a chip?

Pilhar: The „Club of Rome“ declared in the 70s in one of their

publications (possibly in Mankind at the Turning Point ) in effect

that either the birth rate would have to be reduced or the death rate

increased. The Max Planck Institute believes that the world population

must be reduced to 2 billion people. In the US there is the so called

“American Stonehenge”,

http://www.igeawagu.com/news/corruption/1199237261.html  a

message engraved in 100 ton granite blocks, that the world population

has to be reduced to 500 million people, to reach an “Era of Reason”.

When you look at the supposed issue of " overpopulation " it is

interesting to note that apparently the State of Texas alone could

feed all 6 billion people.  If one piled those 6 billion bodies with

an average weight of 80kg and a volume of 80 liters on top and side by

side of each other in a cube shape, the sides of this cube would be

only 800 meters long. In Austria we could hide such a cube in the next

valley.

I don’t believe in the so called “overpopulation” but rather suppose

that the globalisation fanatics don’t need 6 billion work slaves and

therefore want to reduce the population to one tenth.

Hamer: Helmut, you were right when you said during our last interview

on 13 August 2009: „Once they have accomplished that, they have won.“

Therefore the German New Medicine had to be suppressed, because if

this awareness and knowledge had been common  place they could not

have done it. “Lewwer duad üs Slaav!“  Rather dead than slave! (from

Pidder Lueng, by Detler von Liliencron).

Cheers to the GNM, the New Biological Medicine and a world view of

freedom and truth for us all.

Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer ……………………………………………………………….

Ing. Helmut Pilhar ………………………………………………………………

[Guest guest]

Hi Harish,Your first link is in German but seems very interesting.Your 2nd link opens but says:  Sorry, there is nothing to be found here.... maybe they cut it out...

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Harish Singh <kumar.harish.singh@...> wrote:

Read this article to understand the roadmap that is awaiting the

people who are vaccinated. Even if you survive the deadly vaccines,

you'll remain a prisioner in your own house, city while being

monitored by the government every second of your existence. This is

the translation of the article at

http://welt-blog.ch/chip-sitzt-in-der-spritzen-spitze/

------------------------------------------------------------

The Chip is at the Tip of the Needle

By  Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer (New GermanMedicine)

Yesterday, 27 August 2009, I was giving an introductory talk about

German New Medicine (GNM) near Vienna, Austria. My wife was with me

and about 40 listeners. At the end as part of the discussion the swine

flu was mentioned and a lady got up and declared the following:

A friend of hers works for a pharmaceutical company in Vienna and told

her that the swine flu injection needles indeed contain nano particles

 in their very tip, which cannot be detected with the naked eye but

are clearly visible with as little as a 12 times magnifying microscope

like children’s toy microscopes. The staff of the pharmaceutical

company was advised that these nano particles work in the human body

like a motherboard in the computer and lots of data can be stored on

it, which will make cash cards obsolete. This measure was also

intended to do an accurate census and to protect babies, as many

mothers would simply “discard” their newborn, without knowledge of the

authorities.

This lady further disclosed that she was working in the medical field.

She had asked a lawyer who came to her as a patient, how it was

possible to avoid being chipped. He told her that he was aware of the

planned chipping of the population; in fact most upper class members

of society were aware of this plan. For this year no forced

vaccinations were planned but to rather encourage people through the

media to volunteer for the jab.

In case too few would come forward, forced vaccination was planned for

next year. Exempt from those were certain professional groups like the

police, medical personal, politicians etc. Being a lawyer, he knew

ways for himself to avoid the jab, but for the majority of the

population there was no escape.

Interview with Dr Gert Hamer (GNM) by  Helmut Pilhar (Engineer) ,

Wednesday, 26. August 2009

Hamer:  Within a few days our worst fears were indeed superseded by

this cruel reality.

Pilhar: Geerd, are you talking about the $1000 fine and 30 day arrest

threats for refusal to take the vaccination in the US?

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/1000-per-day-fine-and-30-days-in-jail-for-refusing-the-swine-flu-vaccine-in-massachusetts

Hamer: Yes, but the objectors (death chip opposers are traitors) are

not going to be put into normal prisons but in especially prepared

concentration camps of which hundreds have been prepared all over the

country http://info.kopp-verlag.de/news/amerikanische-konzentrationslager-fertig-und-einsatzbereit.html

.. And you can leave those only by getting chipped. And once you are

outside it is open season through the death chip. By chance these

people are then going to drop dead like flies after their release.

Pilhar: Are you talking about the beginning of the great population cull?

Hamer: It can only mean that.  Otherwise it does not make any sense to

get the military and the police involved, threaten with such draconian

penalties, all just to get the people to participate in a simple

seasonal flu shot campaign. It just does not make any other sense.

Apart from the fact that there cannot even be a vaccination like that.

You vaccinate in October (northern autumn) for the next summer. That

is totally laughable. With Tamiflu you can maybe suppress typical

healing phase symptoms for 2-3 weeks and even that is totally

brainless in the light of GNM.

Pilhar: It is noteworthy that in the US there are literally many

100,000plastic coffins stock piled

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual & VideoID=39130476

 What for? And apart from that the population has been systematically

stripped of weapons and protective dogs.

Hamer: You can best understand what the intent is by what is NOT

talked about. One may talk about the vaccination, but nobody mentions

the chip implanting by name. That is really strange because the

chipping is the obvious issue in the face of these massive

governmental measures. And that the Hitachi chip works and can be

combined with the death chip we already talked about during the last

interview.

The same can be seen in how my GNM ( German New Medicine) fared. For

28 years one was only allowed to discuss Hamer, the “Unperson”, but

not whether GNM actually works and whether its claims are repeatable,

and can be proven to work, in spite of 30 verified published results.

The same applies to Tamuflu! There are endless discussions about

Tamiflu causing harm but none about the chip. Of course Tamiflu is

harmful, it is a poison.  It is also very damaging in the healing

process or in the vagotonic phase of a pregnancy (last trimester). But

the death chip adds a whole new dimension. That this death chip is

going to be used without concern can be seen in the fact that chemo

and morphine have been used without concern in spite of final

mortality rates of 98%, while 98% could have survived with GNM.

Imagine the unscrupulousness of all oncologists, as they are fully

aware that GNM adds up from a scientific perspective and works

Pilhar: It is also very strange that the Americans have created this

Marshall Law, under which critics can be easily removed by the

thousands and millions. And once you have chipped the people they

cannot run away from you anymore.

Hamer:  It is obvious that this chip battle has been under preparation

for many years. The idiotic swine flu, that does not even really

exist, was actually the wrong tool: 3 dead pigs and one child, dead

from who knows what, with that they lied and constructed a worldwide

pandemic into existence. But it goes to show what a well organised

world press is able to achieve: They can turn a mole hill into a

mountain.

Pilhar:  It started with the AIDS lie, then followed the BSE lie.

After the 9/11 lie followed the Anthrax lie. Then it was the Bird Flu

lie, now it is the Swine Flu lie. Next year we’ll have the Mice Flu

lie. It all points to the “Endloesung”, the final solution. When

everybody has a chip then that will constitute the complete slavery,

then everybody can be manipulated and assassinated arbitrarily.

Hamer: First they jump on the babies and the pregnant women. They are

first to be treated with chips and Tamiflu. Many of the pregnant women

in their last trimester are going to lose their babies, because

Tamiflu is totally toxic. But also the women themselves can die, as

their bodies are vagotonic during the last trimester.  It is a known

fact that during vagotonia one flu shot or one morphine injection can

be deadly.

In the meantime there seems to be some panic in the US. Where in the

world can you flee to, people are asking themselves, where will you

not be forcibly injected with the death chip and have one free moment

away from your enemies?

One has to consider realistically what it would be like to carry this

death chip and know that any day you can simply be switched off by the

Centre in Tel Aviv.  You are completely defenceless against that and

complaining won’t do you any good:  “If I only had known...” Therefore

it is really important for the ruling class to keep the people in the

dark about it as long as possible.

Once the slaves have the death chip implanted they are allowed to know

about it. Then they will be like trained poodles. Nobody will dare to

speak up. It will be like among the Masonic brethren.  Everybody knows

that  the moment he utters a word of dissent, he will be served poison

in the coffee by the always Jewish Grand Master and won’t survive

another day.  The whole world is going to be a concentration camp full

of slaves, except for the members of one religious group. To have the

death chip implanted is the potential personal death sentence at any

given time.

How naive do you have to be to demand of Mossad and the CIA to

disclose what their real intentions are, “to table the facts”? The

mouse never believes the cat will come.

In a company with several hundred staff, which produces, or better

fills the injection needles for the chip vaccination, it will only

need one or two “reliable” people to insert the chip at the end. Then

all the other workers can confirm that they knew nothing.  This is

called “quality control” and “final check” and appears completely

normal.

Strange is too that every single chip vaccination needle has its own

individual code number, which is added to the ID number. Why else

would the silly “summer flu shot” needle have its own individual

number and why should the passport accompany the supposed flu

vaccination? And why do the Americans not want to let anybody into the

country who does not have a chip?

Pilhar: The „Club of Rome“ declared in the 70s in one of their

publications (possibly in Mankind at the Turning Point ) in effect

that either the birth rate would have to be reduced or the death rate

increased. The Max Planck Institute believes that the world population

must be reduced to 2 billion people. In the US there is the so called

“American Stonehenge”,

http://www.igeawagu.com/news/corruption/1199237261.html  a

message engraved in 100 ton granite blocks, that the world population

has to be reduced to 500 million people, to reach an “Era of Reason”.

When you look at the supposed issue of " overpopulation " it is

interesting to note that apparently the State of Texas alone could

feed all 6 billion people.  If one piled those 6 billion bodies with

an average weight of 80kg and a volume of 80 liters on top and side by

side of each other in a cube shape, the sides of this cube would be

only 800 meters long. In Austria we could hide such a cube in the next

valley.

I don’t believe in the so called “overpopulation” but rather suppose

that the globalisation fanatics don’t need 6 billion work slaves and

therefore want to reduce the population to one tenth.

Hamer: Helmut, you were right when you said during our last interview

on 13 August 2009: „Once they have accomplished that, they have won.“

Therefore the German New Medicine had to be suppressed, because if

this awareness and knowledge had been common  place they could not

have done it. “Lewwer duad üs Slaav!“  Rather dead than slave! (from

Pidder Lueng, by Detler von Liliencron).

Cheers to the GNM, the New Biological Medicine and a world view of

freedom and truth for us all.

Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer ……………………………………………………………….

Ing. Helmut Pilhar ………………………………………………………………

[Guest guest]

I think was referring to the rf id, the cashless society. Reminds me of what the Bible calls "the mark of the beast".Handy table here of needle sizeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_gauge_comparison_chartKirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.From: mentalalchemist <mentalalchemist@...>Subject: Re: Your Going To Find This Hard To Swallowno-forced-vaccination Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:30 AM

Listen to a man who knew he was dieing and did die of cancer.

Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD and RFID Chips to Russo

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=7nD7dbkkBIA

>

> Not to make matters worse, but "nano" particles are in the range of a nanometer , at least not too many times bigger - a nanometer is a billionth of a meter, that's 1 millionth of the size, approximately, of the letter "o" as printed in ordinary small type on a printed page. That's about 1,000 times less than the resolving power of an optical microscope at 1,000 power. A 12x magnifier is not usually considered a "microscope, " but a nanometer would be about 100,000 times the less than the diameter you could see with such a magnifying glass. I really don't know what the upper limit is on what is considered a nanoparticle, but it would be far smaller than what could be seen with any optical microscope, let alone a 12x magnifying glass.

> Â

> Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, but the notions conveyed in these claims do not conform to what is called science or to what is realistic, and the terminology used is homespun fantasy. Anyone with a good background in science can see that.

[Guest guest]

I think was referring to the rf id, the cashless society. Reminds me of what the Bible calls "the mark of the beast".Handy table here of needle sizeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_gauge_comparison_chartKirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.From: mentalalchemist <mentalalchemist@...>Subject: Re: Your Going To Find This Hard To Swallowno-forced-vaccination Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 6:30 AM

Listen to a man who knew he was dieing and did die of cancer.

Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD and RFID Chips to Russo

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=7nD7dbkkBIA

>

> Not to make matters worse, but "nano" particles are in the range of a nanometer , at least not too many times bigger - a nanometer is a billionth of a meter, that's 1 millionth of the size, approximately, of the letter "o" as printed in ordinary small type on a printed page. That's about 1,000 times less than the resolving power of an optical microscope at 1,000 power. A 12x magnifier is not usually considered a "microscope, " but a nanometer would be about 100,000 times the less than the diameter you could see with such a magnifying glass. I really don't know what the upper limit is on what is considered a nanoparticle, but it would be far smaller than what could be seen with any optical microscope, let alone a 12x magnifying glass.

> Â

> Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, but the notions conveyed in these claims do not conform to what is called science or to what is realistic, and the terminology used is homespun fantasy. Anyone with a good background in science can see that.

[Guest guest]

I think people are being misled by terms such as "nanobots" which are obviously larger than a nanometer. English majors write the news not engineers and physicists.The nano rfid would be impossible with physics as we understand it. An id has to transmit a unique number which it has to store along with circuitry to hear the request to transmit. Saving the biggest obstacle for last - we dont have a power supply that small. Typical rf id are 8mm by 1 mm. A small object for a lot of complex stuff.(stuff is a technical term ;-) )Kirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.>>> Hamish,>> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded bythe> pharma cartel, are constantly told "not to believe everything you read on> the Internet". And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each

and>

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of"burying> our heads in the sand".>> Ingrid>> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

I think people are being misled by terms such as "nanobots" which are obviously larger than a nanometer. English majors write the news not engineers and physicists.The nano rfid would be impossible with physics as we understand it. An id has to transmit a unique number which it has to store along with circuitry to hear the request to transmit. Saving the biggest obstacle for last - we dont have a power supply that small. Typical rf id are 8mm by 1 mm. A small object for a lot of complex stuff.(stuff is a technical term ;-) )Kirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.>>> Hamish,>> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded bythe> pharma cartel, are constantly told "not to believe everything you read on> the Internet". And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each

and>

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of"burying> our heads in the sand".>> Ingrid>> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

I think people are being misled by terms such as "nanobots" which are obviously larger than a nanometer. English majors write the news not engineers and physicists.The nano rfid would be impossible with physics as we understand it. An id has to transmit a unique number which it has to store along with circuitry to hear the request to transmit. Saving the biggest obstacle for last - we dont have a power supply that small. Typical rf id are 8mm by 1 mm. A small object for a lot of complex stuff.(stuff is a technical term ;-) )Kirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.>>> Hamish,>> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded bythe> pharma cartel, are constantly told "not to believe everything you read on> the Internet". And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each

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every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of"burying> our heads in the sand".>> Ingrid>> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

[Guest guest]

I think people are being misled by terms such as "nanobots" which are obviously larger than a nanometer. English majors write the news not engineers and physicists.The nano rfid would be impossible with physics as we understand it. An id has to transmit a unique number which it has to store along with circuitry to hear the request to transmit. Saving the biggest obstacle for last - we dont have a power supply that small. Typical rf id are 8mm by 1 mm. A small object for a lot of complex stuff.(stuff is a technical term ;-) )Kirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.>>> Hamish,>> Those of us spending an enormous amount of time conducting research,> perusing scientific publications, writing papers substantiated by solid> evidence provided by reputable researchers and scientists not funded bythe> pharma cartel, are constantly told "not to believe everything you read on> the Internet". And that's exactly what we adhere to, namely check each

and>

every source for its credibility before presenting scientifically> nonsensical drivel as FACTS!> Naturally, it is your prerogative to buy into this hype, but please don't> accuse those who recognize this garbage as yet another unsubstantiated> conspiracy theory disseminated by a clearly anti-semitic source of"burying> our heads in the sand".>> Ingrid>> Right on. Bury your head in sand and pretend that this will blow over>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>

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perhaps if we referred to them as planning theories instead of conspiracy theories.I think the difference between planning and conspiracy is the planning is kept a secret in the latter. Still planning though.Kirk"Your talent is God’s gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God"The human brain should be used for processing, not storage.From: mentalalchemist <mentalalchemist@...>Subject: Re: Your Going To Find This Hard To Swallowno-forced-vaccination Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 4:46 AM

Then add this to the equation...

Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government

If world government is to be achieved by consent, the world must be sold on the idea of world government and its necessity.

http://www.oldthink ernews.com/ Articl... a_serves_ a.htm

A description of this supposed admission can be found in the 1982 Executive Intelligence Review Special Report "Global 2000: blueprint for genocide.."

Global 2000

The Club of Rome commissioned Cyrus Vance, Jimmy 's Secretary of State to write The Global 2000 report. This is a Draconian plan to reduce the world's population by means of wars, famine, diseases, and plagues. The HIV virus and the Aids epidemic became a part of this plan.

The Club of Rome appears to base much of its important decisions affecting mankind on the philosophy of Polish aristocrat, Felix Dzerzinski, who regarded mankind as being slightly above the level of cattle.

In 1976, the United States Association of the Club of Rome (USACOR) was formed for the purpose of shutting down the U.S. economy gradually.

It is being implimented under Agenda 21 as well as other sub programs such as

CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (depopulation that is)

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lyLI8UVdTzQ

The Technetronic Era

The Club of Rome commissioned Zbigniew Brzezinski, s National Security Advisor, (who also with Rockefeller formed The Trilateral Commission in 1973), to write The Technetronic Era. This is a post-industrial zero growth plan designed in part to cripple U.S. industry in order to prepare us for the New World Order.

NATO-Club of Rome officials charged with urgent anti-NASA action were Harland Cleveland, ph Slater, Claiborne K. Pell, Walter J. Levy, McGhee, Watts, Strausz-Hupe (U.S. ambassador to NATO) and Lesh. In May 1967 a meeting was organized by the Scientific and Technological Committee of the North Atlantic Assembly and the Foreign Policy Research Institute. It was called "Conference on Transatlantic Imbalance and Collabora-tion" and it was held at Queen 's palatial property in Deauville, France.

The basic purpose and intent of the conference at Deauville was to end U.S. technological and industrial progress..

Out of the conference came two books, one of which is mentioned herein, Brzezinski's "Technotronic Era." The other was written by conference chairman, Aurellio Peccei, entitled "The Chasm Ahead." Peccei largely agreed with Brzezinski, but added that there would be chaos in a future world NOT RULED BY A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

> Accordingly, conspiracy theories are not welcome here and will not be posted.

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> Ingrid