Depression

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sue. The change really is amazing. He hasn't been this animated since he was about 11. He's participating in family discussions, interacting with his sister, today he entertained the ECT staff with jokes and stories, I really can't believe it. He asked his 25 year old sister to accompany him to his ECT session (something he never would have asked before).LizOn Dec 24, 2007, at 11:43 AM, suetois wrote:Liz, I don't post terribly often, but I've been following your son's situation all along. (My son with AS is 16 now and only a few years behind your son in terms of the decisions we're facing with/for him.) I am *so* glad you've found something that helped him. I hope all of you have a wonderful holiday and that your plans for him in the coming year go well.Sue C.

[Guest guest]

That is so amazing how this can change a person. It shows what a physical disability depression really is - not just emotional or mental.

RoxannaAutism Happens

Re: ( ) Re: Depression

Thanks, Sue. The change really is amazing. He hasn't been this animated since he was about 11. He's participating in family discussions, interacting with his sister, today he entertained the ECT staff with jokes and stories, I really can't believe it. He asked his 25 year old sister to accompany him to his ECT session (something he never would have asked before).

Liz

On Dec 24, 2007, at 11:43 AM, suetois wrote:

Liz, I don't post terribly often, but I've been following your son's situation all along. (My son with AS is 16 now and only a few years behind your son in terms of the decisions we're facing with/for him.) I am *so* glad you've found something that helped him. I hope all of you have a wonderful holiday and that your plans for him in the coming year go well.Sue C.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Toni. It IS a great Christmas present and Hanukkah present, all rolled up into one (we are a mixed faith marriage).LizOn Dec 27, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Toni wrote:Oh, Liz... I'm SO glad to hear that he is doing better...great Christmas present, huh?

[Guest guest]

I want to add something to this depression thread. Don't be afraid to go to a

mental health specialist because of it. Depression has lost the stigma that it

carried years ago. I had a wonderful psychologist when I was diagnosed with all

these diseases... she helped me tremendously! We became very good friends, and I

was so sad when she relocated to another town. If you need help finding one,

contact your local hospital or county. Many counties provide these services on a

pay as you can basis.

Take care,

Zazzy

[ ] Depression

After initial diagnosis of cancer, many patients are diagnosed with

depression. This is a good site to visit

because they have two webcasts by doctors who discuss it. Some patients feel

sad and seem unable to cope with their disease. You don't have to be depressed

or think you are, just listen and see what you get out of it personally.You will

need Active X control to hear, but you can download it right from the site. I

have tiny URLed it for you. http://tinyurl.com/2ow47z I found it interesting and

I thought you might benefit from it, too.

Good listening,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

Hi Zazzy,

I'd just like to second your suggestion and add some information, too. My CML

specialist referred me to a psychiatrist who works in a transplant section of my

local hospital. I'm not having a transplant but my doctor knows all about CML

which is great. So, you could ask your oncologist for a recommendation, too.

Cheers,

L

[ ] Depression

After initial diagnosis of cancer, many patients are diagnosed with

depression. This is a good site to visit

because they have two webcasts by doctors who discuss it. Some patients feel

sad and seem unable to cope with their disease. You don't have to be depressed

or think you are, just listen and see what you get out of it personally.You will

need Active X control to hear, but you can download it right from the site. I

have tiny URLed it for you. http://tinyurl.com/2ow47z I found it interesting and

I thought you might benefit from it, too.

Good listening,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I really know what you are talking about!

I was diagnosed in Oct. '03 and went through all the drugs to get to

Gleevec. It stop working for me and I went on a trial drug, AMN107,

here in Canada, known as Tasigna or Nilotinib elsewhere.

I started AMN107 in May '07 and my results are very good.

But I was feeling worse mentally and didn't really know what was going

on. It finally came to a head about 2 months ago when I saw my Dr. on

a normal 3 month check up. I asked how long I would live if I just

stopped taking all the drugs and let nature take it's course.

Although I didn't know it at the time, she took this to mean I was

suicidal! I wasn't, that is not my way, I meant exactly what I said.

It turned out to be a good thing because she had me see the mental

health group at the hospital then and there!

Since then I have found out that I had a deep depression, (I tried to

blame it on the psychiatrist, because I didn't have it till they told

me, but they would have none of it! 8-) ).

Now through the wonder of all things, more drugs I can see and

understand what happened and though I am not where I want to be I am

getting there.

So this long otew, or navella, is to tell you to take hope there is a

light at the end of your tunnel.

I will keep you in my prayers as I do all of our group.

Good Health to all,

Terry

>

> I'm a 29 years old male, I was diagnosed on feb 3, 2006. I have been

> in remission since October 2006 and i feel pretty bad. I do not know

> what is going on, I feel a lot of mood changes, very sad and cry with

> no reason. I don't feel like going to work. and I just want to stay

> home watching TV. Our economic situation has deteriorated and I'm

> scared if I lose my jib I will lose my insurance and I will not have

> access to gleevec, and my oncologist. I feel scared and depressed. I

> want to be normal. but it is hard to get out of this.

>

[Guest guest]

Yea another Canadian!! ...We are international!! Eva

@...: terryjeanw@...: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:41:18

+0000Subject: [ ] Re: Depression

Hi,I really know what you are talking about!I was diagnosed in Oct. '03 and went

through all the drugs to get toGleevec. It stop working for me and I went on a

trial drug, AMN107,here in Canada, known as Tasigna or Nilotinib elsewhere.I

started AMN107 in May '07 and my results are very good.But I was feeling worse

mentally and didn't really know what was goingon. It finally came to a head

about 2 months ago when I saw my Dr. ona normal 3 month check up. I asked how

long I would live if I juststopped taking all the drugs and let nature take it's

course.Although I didn't know it at the time, she took this to mean I

wassuicidal! I wasn't, that is not my way, I meant exactly what I said.It turned

out to be a good thing because she had me see the mentalhealth group at the

hospital then and there!Since then I have found out that I had a deep

depression, (I tried toblame it on the psychiatrist, because I didn't have it

till they toldme, but they would have none of it! 8-) ).Now through the wonder

of all things, more drugs I can see andunderstand what happened and though I am

not where I want to be I amgetting there.So this long otew, or navella, is to

tell you to take hope there is alight at the end of your tunnel.I will keep you

in my prayers as I do all of our group.Good Health to all,Terry >>

I'm a 29 years old male, I was diagnosed on feb 3, 2006. I have been> in

remission since October 2006 and i feel pretty bad. I do not know> what is going

on, I feel a lot of mood changes, very sad and cry with> no reason. I don't feel

like going to work. and I just want to stay> home watching TV. Our economic

situation has deteriorated and I'm> scared if I lose my jib I will lose my

insurance and I will not have> access to gleevec, and my oncologist. I feel

scared and depressed. I> want to be normal. but it is hard to get out of this.>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I got lucky when I changed oncologists. When I first started going there I

received a folder with names and numbers for a whole team of specialists.

Insurance, counselors, nutrition, you name it. It's a great place. The people

are very caring.

Take care,

Zazzy

[ ] Depression

After initial diagnosis of cancer, many patients are diagnosed with

depression. This is a good site to visit

because they have two webcasts by doctors who discuss it. Some patients feel

sad and seem unable to cope with their disease. You don't have to be depressed

or think you are, just listen and see what you get out of it personally.You will

need Active X control to hear, but you can download it right from the site. I

have tiny URLed it for you. http://tinyurl.com/2ow47z I found it interesting and

I thought you might benefit from it, too.

Good listening,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yeah, my onc's office has two counselors assigned to every patient.

Luckily, Lexapro keeps me on an even keel.

Another thought to add... not all depression meds work the same on

everyone. If you still feel the same after taking one for a while,

perhaps a change in either dose or the med itself is in order.

Take care,

Zazzy

>

> Hi Zazzy,

>

> I'd just like to second your suggestion and add some information,

too. My CML specialist referred me to a psychiatrist who works in a

transplant section of my local hospital. I'm not having a transplant

but my doctor knows all about CML which is great. So, you could ask

your oncologist for a recommendation, too.

>

> Cheers,

> L

> [ ] Depression

>

> After initial diagnosis of cancer, many patients are diagnosed

with depression. This is a good site to visit

> because they have two webcasts by doctors who discuss it. Some

patients feel sad and seem unable to cope with their disease. You

don't have to be depressed or think you are, just listen and see what

you get out of it personally.You will need Active X control to hear,

but you can download it right from the site. I have tiny URLed it for

you. http://tinyurl.com/2ow47z I found it interesting and I thought

you might benefit from it, too.

>

> Good listening,

> Lottie

>

>

[Guest guest]

I applaud you for joining Alanon to help yourself if not your husband. Does

he attend AA meetings?

Depression goes hand-in-hand with chronic illness so rest assured that you

are not alone. You will feel better just talking about it here and there's

so much support here to help you through difficult days. You should speak

to your doctor about the depression.

Welcome, Holly :-)

Dorothy

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of hollyseeker

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:51 PM

Subject: [ ] depression

Hello;

I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

I also have other issues i live with my

Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

There are times I do get Depressed.

I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

I hope to get feed back frome you.

Thanks

Holly

[Guest guest]

Hi...

I had issues with depression before being diagnosed with RA, not major issues

mind you, but enough to do something about it. Having a incurable desease don't

help much. First and foremost in my experience was getting enough sleep, and

that can be an issue for many of us with RA because just finding a comfortable

position can at times be difficult. But I found it was greatest major issue

contributing to my depression so I put myself on a pretty strict sleep scheulde,

watched the caffine intake at a certain time of day, and got some medication

from the doctor. You don't have to get a knock out pill but something very mild

to start. By the end of the day, depending on the pain and/or medication

management, most of us are ready for some shut eye. I take something take that

basically helps me fall asleep rather than puts me out. Consider it, and I hope

this helps.

Stan

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " hollyseeker " <hollyseeker@...>

Hello;

I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

I also have other issues i live with my

Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

There are times I do get Depressed.

I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

I hope to get feed back frome you.

Thanks

Holly

[Guest guest]

(((Holly)))

Welcome to the group, but sorry for all your problems. I am not

familiar with, Alanon, but glad it's helping. Is your hubby getting

any kind of help? I know it's hard to deal with RA, and having extra

stress doesn't help. I'm here if you need to email me, Tawny

--- In , " hollyseeker " <hollyseeker@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello;

> I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

> I also have other issues i live with my

> Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

> great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

> There are times I do get Depressed.

> I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

> I hope to get feed back frome you.

> Thanks

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Welcome to the group. I honestly don't know how people live with

alcaholics. I had two brothers and a sister that were, they pushed me

to my limits. I even went as far as to block one from calling my home

phone. I just couldn't take her cursing me everytime she got some

courage from the bottle.

I think it is admirable that you joined Alanon and are surviving. If

you ever feel that you need the help, the anti-depressents are not

that bad. I have been on a couple, but I always tell my doctor to only

give me something that I can get off of when I think that I am doing

OK. I haven't had any porblems so far and am not on any now.

I hope this group is as good for you as it has been for me.

I pray that you have a good evening.

Shirley

--- In , " hollyseeker " <hollyseeker@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello;

> I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

> I also have other issues i live with my

> Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

> great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

> There are times I do get Depressed.

> I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

> I hope to get feed back frome you.

> Thanks

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

Holly and group;

WElcome hon, I am so sorry to hear you have all these things to go

through. I was married to 2 drunks. My 3 husband don't drink. I pray

that you will be ok. There are a lot of alcholics in my family. I only

drink on holidays and in moderation. RA is so aweful. I have it to and

fibro. I know how you feel. This is a wonderful group I love everyone

hehere. I hope we are helpful to you

gentle kind hugs

Clora

>

> Hello;

> I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

> I also have other issues i live with my

> Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

> great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

> There are times I do get Depressed.

> I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

> I hope to get feed back frome you.

> Thanks

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

Holly and group;

WElcome hon, I am so sorry to hear you have all these things to go

through. I was married to 2 drunks. My 3 husband don't drink. I pray

that you will be ok. There are a lot of alcholics in my family. I only

drink on holidays and in moderation. RA is so aweful. I have it to and

fibro. I know how you feel. This is a wonderful group I love everyone

hehere. I hope we are helpful to you

gentle kind hugs

Clora

>

> Hello;

> I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

> I also have other issues i live with my

> Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

> great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

> There are times I do get Depressed.

> I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

> I hope to get feed back frome you.

> Thanks

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Thanks so much for stopping by here to share your " issues " . I guess

you could call me a senior citizen as well and I guess you could say

that I also have had experience of living in an alcoholic household.

My father was an alcoholic and I watched for years what it did to my

mother and not to mention my sisters and I. Unfortunately she never

found Alanon, a wonderful support system, so she ended up dying never

knowing peace of mind. My father ultimately succumbed to the disease

dying of cirrhosis at 82. An of course, after remarrying another

alcoholic.

Hopefully you have someone in Alanon who you trust and that you can

call and speak to whenever you need to. I believe they call that

a " sponsor " . If not, you should. Another thing that concerns me is

your attempt to " self control " your depression. Alcoholics as well as

those family members affected by the disease can often have major

control issues. I guess that's why you often hear " Let Go and Let God " .

You really need to share your issues with depression with your Rheumy

or your GP. RA in itself is a very serious disease that needs the care

and compassion of your support group which should include your Rheumy

and GP. If your husband isn't giving you the support you need, which I

doubt he is, you really need to take an honest look at yourself and

with the help of your Alanon group make the necessary changes to get

well. Your disease needs to come first. I suspect your husband won't

like that.

Talk to your doctor about your depression, your home situation and what

it is doing to you. It is a very important part of your treatment

plan. I'll pray for you and I'll also pray that your husband hits his

bottom so he can find recovery.

By the way, after seeing what alcohol did to my family and after seeing

that I stood a very good chance of following the same path, I made a

decision to not drink. That was 25 years ago.

Hang in there. Hope to hear from you again. If my posting seemed a

bit harsh, I am sorry for that, but if only someone had shared this

with my mother long ago, she may have found peace as well.

Bob

" hollyseeker " <hollyseeker@...> wrote:

>

> Hello;

> I have severe RA I am A senior citizen

> I also have other issues i live with my

> Alacholic hubsand I am A memember of Alanon that program has been A

> great help for my PEACE OF MIND<

> There are times I do get Depressed.

> I havent told my Doc, because I try to controll myself,

> I hope to get feed back frome you.

> Thanks

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

..> I've sent her some information about diet - cholesterol, probiotics,

> etc, but I know many of you here could offer more concrete

suggestions.

>

> I told her I would ask, and she said to thank you in advance for any

> advice you could offer.

Dr. Neil Nedley, who is veg friendly and wrote " Depression: The Way

Out. " I have not read it but the reviews talk about the omega3:6

situation, B-12, and adequate tryptophan, which I do know about and

which I believe work.

radiantrecovery.com and Dr. Kathleen DesMaisons' " Potatoes Not

Prozac. " Treating depression and food addiction via diet. I read this

and healed my own diagnosed medium depression, and know dozens of

others personally who did it too.

noarthritis.com on the link between nightshades and arthritis. I

personally know people who have relief from some kinds of arthritis

with this, but not me personally since I never had arthritis.

Good luck!

Connie >

[Guest guest]

My opinion would be that she has little chance while remaining vegetarian

(been there, done that, twice and both times resulted in depression).

www.rebuild-from-depression.com is the website for a book written by a

follower of Price's nutritional principals.

Your friend should also be aware that depression is the number one

presenting symptom of gluten intolerance, and arthritis is a symptom of

the same. The book Dangerous Grains is an eye-opener.

Desh

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[Guest guest]

Raw milk is very rich in B vitamins that will help with depression, as well

as tryptophan which is used to make serotonin. Making a significant portion

of her diet raw milk and raw cheese would likely help and keep her

vegetarian. I'm talking 1/2 gallon per day kind of significant.

A good active B complex, like one from Thorne (their B Complex #3 would be

most appropriate, given the niacin/tryptophan connection - the site states

it is " vegetarian capsules " ), would also help as would supplemental

Tryptophan or 5-HTP (generally cheaper than tryptophan and acquired from a

shrub called griffonia simplicifolia).

-Lana

" There is nothing more useful than sun and salt. " - Latin proverb

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've heard 5-HTP really works.

They probably have it at Whole Foods.

Jo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP

I have a friend who is going through some serious depression right

now. She's early 50s and has been a vegetarian for many years. She

takes antidepressants, though I don't know what type, and has recently

had to have her dose increased, but still not feeling very well. She

also has arthritis in her knees that has lately required her to walk

with a cane.

I've sent her some information about diet - cholesterol, probiotics,

etc, but I know many of you here could offer more concrete suggestions.

I told her I would ask, and she said to thank you in advance for any

advice you could offer.

[Guest guest]

--- " threehearts0o0 " <threehearts0o0@...> wrote:

> I have a friend who is going through some serious depression right

> now. She's early 50s and has been a vegetarian for many years. She

> takes antidepressants, though I don't know what type, and has

> recently had to have her dose increased, but still not feeling very

> well. She also has arthritis in her knees that has lately required

> her to walk with a cane.

I'd suggest getting her to at least try adding raw dairy and eggs.

As far as depression, Kresser has an excellent 3-part blog post

on " Treating depression without drugs " :

Part I

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/treating-depression-without-drugs-part-i/

Part II

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/treating-depression-without-drugs-part-ii/

Part III

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/treating-depression-without-drugs-part-iii/

Also, Rose wrote a book on depression and has some good info on

her web site:

http://www.rebuild-from-depression.com/

HTH,

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone. I will send these along to her. I hope she finds

something in here that will make a difference.

-- In , " " <oz4caster@...> wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

--- This is what I was trying to tell a vegan friend of mine too.

Thanks for the link. Kathy

In , De Bell-Frantz <deshabell@...> wrote:

>

> My opinion would be that she has little chance while remaining

vegetarian

> (been there, done that, twice and both times resulted in depression).

>

> www.rebuild-from-depression.com is the website for a book written by a

> follower of Price's nutritional principals.

>

> Your friend should also be aware that depression is the number one

> presenting symptom of gluten intolerance, and arthritis is a symptom of

> the same. The book Dangerous Grains is an eye-opener.

>

> Desh

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Lorna. I'm sorry to hear that you are depressed.

Do you have a physician you can call to ask for help? Maybe he/she

could refer you to someone who can assist you.

Of course, you can vent here anytime.

Not an MD

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:38 AM, lornadrury50 <lornakobus@...> wrote:

> Please Help

> With the new year came another problem that I am not sure if can handle

> Maybe someone can tell me hw to handle depression. Usally I cope very

> well but for some reason it is some thing that I can't cope with at

> this stage.I am not on any pills at this stage and would prefer not to

> use pills for this as well I am just sick of pills.

> At this stage I think I need a shoulder or two to cry on

> Thanks for reading this

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorna:

I do know how you are feeling, and it is not fun. I have gone through

several bouts of depression, and thought for sure I was losing my mind.

I have a very loving, supportive family, and wonderful caring, and

loving friends. I did talk with all of them so they knew what I was

going through. It really helped me through those terrible times. I

too, did not want to take anymore pills. But, I did talk with my dr.

and did take some meds. for a short time. That got me through the worst

of it.

Just remember, you are not alone, although you might feel that way. It

helps to talk about whatever is bothering you. Sharing makes all the

difference in the world. I use to feel I was in a big, dark, hole, and

slowly sinking, and I couldn't get out. Those were terrible days for

me, and I thank God, that part of my life is over.

Right now I am going through a painful divorce, I didn't want it, and it

is tearing me apart. I am 68, making a life change and it is so hard.

I never thought anything like this would happen to me. It has been so

rough, and I have spent too many days crying my heart out. Last Tuesday

was the breaking time for me. My husband was relentless with his mouth,

ugly words, and such a verbal assault, that I thought I would die from

it all. After 27 years of marriage, it has come down to this. I made

up my mind that day, I was done, and could take no more.

I am drawing strength from myself, and going froward to my new life.

I am moving out of all this insanity soon, and going to live with my son

and his family. I am excited about all this. I need time to heal from

all this. I thought I would lose my mind due to all this stress and

strife.

I hope this letter helps you Lorna. It is always darkest, before it

gets brighter. I pray you will feel better soon, and talk with your dr.

about what you are feeling. You are not alone. Just remember, we have

all been through depression at some time in our lives. I pray you will

get help, so you can start to heal. Remember, I care, and God Bless you

always.

Feel free to write to me anytime.

Hugs,

Barbara

--- In , " lornadrury50 " <lornakobus@...>

wrote:

>

> Please Help

> With the new year came another problem that I am not sure if can

handle

> Maybe someone can tell me hw to handle depression. Usally I cope very

> well but for some reason it is some thing that I can't cope with at

> this stage.I am not on any pills at this stage and would prefer not to

> use pills for this as well I am just sick of pills.

> At this stage I think I need a shoulder or two to cry on

> Thanks for reading this

>