Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 2:48:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > That is an opinion and not a fact in evidence and in > my opinion should be disclaimed as such. > > There are more than enough examples of credible > evidence supporting a position that paxil is not > without problems. I would respectfully suggest that > this is not one of those examples. > was far too kind. What information do YOU have that Paxil DID NOT have anything to do with this homicide? These kinds of horror stories are pretty much run-of-the-mill nowadays. And if you DON'T think that Paxil can have this kind of effect on a person, then you either haven't taken it, or you haven't gone through withdrawal. Which is it? And why are you here, if you don't think that Paxil isn't the vomit of the devil himself? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 2:48:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > That is an opinion and not a fact in evidence and in > my opinion should be disclaimed as such. > > There are more than enough examples of credible > evidence supporting a position that paxil is not > without problems. I would respectfully suggest that > this is not one of those examples. > was far too kind. What information do YOU have that Paxil DID NOT have anything to do with this homicide? These kinds of horror stories are pretty much run-of-the-mill nowadays. And if you DON'T think that Paxil can have this kind of effect on a person, then you either haven't taken it, or you haven't gone through withdrawal. Which is it? And why are you here, if you don't think that Paxil isn't the vomit of the devil himself? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 4:46:27 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > Credible scientific > studies are more persuasive, they exist....why not use > those instead of hyperbolic suggestions of " cause and > effect? " > Sorry, but I have to interject something here. THERE ARE NO CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES!!!! NONE! Scientific studies are bought and paid for by the pharmas. They're a joke, and anecdotal evidence DOES have an impact in certain cases. After all, even clinical trials are nothing but anecdotal evidence. The studies that DID implicate Paxil and Prozac in suicide and homicides was BURIED deep in the vaults. These companies have known for 20 years what these drugs could do to people, yet inthe name of greed, they proceeded to dump this toxic crap into the marketplace all in the name of money. Surely, you don't think it's about curing mental illness, do you? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 4:46:27 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > Credible scientific > studies are more persuasive, they exist....why not use > those instead of hyperbolic suggestions of " cause and > effect? " > Sorry, but I have to interject something here. THERE ARE NO CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES!!!! NONE! Scientific studies are bought and paid for by the pharmas. They're a joke, and anecdotal evidence DOES have an impact in certain cases. After all, even clinical trials are nothing but anecdotal evidence. The studies that DID implicate Paxil and Prozac in suicide and homicides was BURIED deep in the vaults. These companies have known for 20 years what these drugs could do to people, yet inthe name of greed, they proceeded to dump this toxic crap into the marketplace all in the name of money. Surely, you don't think it's about curing mental illness, do you? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Thank you for republishing the trial data. However, anyone who has done even a lick of research INTO the clinical trials will see that they were skewed. Puhlease. Don't assume that we are so stupid as to think that these trials mean anything at all because the data is routinely manipulated to produce favorable results. If you want proof of this, check into the clinical studies that were done in Yugoslavia and how they totally dismissed the withdrawals from this drug by labeling them a " reoccurence of symptoms. " The clinical trials are bullshit! Pure and simple, because if in fact they had any validity whatsoever, this god-awful drug would never have gotten the rubberstamp from the FDA! Some of us, me in particular, have done years and years of research into this topic. Most of what I uncovered about the scurrilous tactics of the pharmas is in my book. The FDA is nothing more than a handmaiden for the pharmas. They are not there to protect the public from the dastardly deed of the pharams. These facts are not open to discussion and the information you cite is stuff we've all seen and totally dismissed many moons ago. Are you the fox guarding the hen house??? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Thank you for republishing the trial data. However, anyone who has done even a lick of research INTO the clinical trials will see that they were skewed. Puhlease. Don't assume that we are so stupid as to think that these trials mean anything at all because the data is routinely manipulated to produce favorable results. If you want proof of this, check into the clinical studies that were done in Yugoslavia and how they totally dismissed the withdrawals from this drug by labeling them a " reoccurence of symptoms. " The clinical trials are bullshit! Pure and simple, because if in fact they had any validity whatsoever, this god-awful drug would never have gotten the rubberstamp from the FDA! Some of us, me in particular, have done years and years of research into this topic. Most of what I uncovered about the scurrilous tactics of the pharmas is in my book. The FDA is nothing more than a handmaiden for the pharmas. They are not there to protect the public from the dastardly deed of the pharams. These facts are not open to discussion and the information you cite is stuff we've all seen and totally dismissed many moons ago. Are you the fox guarding the hen house??? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 7:30:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > Can you say 'conflict of interest?' > HUH? A real conflict of interest is how the FDA cozied up to GSK during the early stages of the lawsuit, defending its claim that Paxil is non-addictive. And YOUR agenda is what exactly? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 7:30:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > Can you say 'conflict of interest?' > HUH? A real conflict of interest is how the FDA cozied up to GSK during the early stages of the lawsuit, defending its claim that Paxil is non-addictive. And YOUR agenda is what exactly? Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 That's fine greg, you can disregard my post...however, please be aware that many members of this group, who have been together in some cases for several years now, and have had paxil-induced violent episodes or have lost loved ones to ssri-induced violence, are actively collecting any media information we come across on any ssri/atypical-violence related events. Because of our long time together doing this, we don't preface our postings with commentary; we normally make the assumption that the intent is clear, that anytime we come across reporting of an ssri linked to bizarre behavor, we compile these, as the FDA certainly doesn't, and the drug companies deny outright that a relationship exists... If a reporter or law enforcement official goes far enough to make a statement that correlates ssri use and a crime committed, we take notice. Tim, in particular, has requested we post news clippings of this sort, as he has a database of them. Patterns do emerge; the school shooters are a case in point. Further, in our media work (letter writing, networking, contacting reporters), it is very useful to collect stories such as these, as they can provide invaluable media contacts to reporters who may in future write feature articles on ssris and violence. It helps when you contact a reporter to be able to provide background on ssri-induced violence, again, as the government nor the medical establishment, at the great risk of assuming liability, will not regard this phenomenon. We cannot criticize their rotten neuro-science in the mass marketing of psychiatric drugs, but expect them to validate this negative aspect of human behavior with their own studies. It is also be helpful down the line by culling these stories, as many who are being tried for crimes have benefitted from the testimony of anti-ssri physicians such as Dr. and Dr. Breggin. Often, a blurb in the paper is what gets the ball rolling. I hope it makes more sense why we post these types of articles...I realize they are disturbing, but it appears to be the nature of the beast! Peace, >From: greg dupre <gregdupre@...> >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Another Paxil murder... >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:47:19 -0800 (PST) > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 That's fine greg, you can disregard my post...however, please be aware that many members of this group, who have been together in some cases for several years now, and have had paxil-induced violent episodes or have lost loved ones to ssri-induced violence, are actively collecting any media information we come across on any ssri/atypical-violence related events. Because of our long time together doing this, we don't preface our postings with commentary; we normally make the assumption that the intent is clear, that anytime we come across reporting of an ssri linked to bizarre behavor, we compile these, as the FDA certainly doesn't, and the drug companies deny outright that a relationship exists... If a reporter or law enforcement official goes far enough to make a statement that correlates ssri use and a crime committed, we take notice. Tim, in particular, has requested we post news clippings of this sort, as he has a database of them. Patterns do emerge; the school shooters are a case in point. Further, in our media work (letter writing, networking, contacting reporters), it is very useful to collect stories such as these, as they can provide invaluable media contacts to reporters who may in future write feature articles on ssris and violence. It helps when you contact a reporter to be able to provide background on ssri-induced violence, again, as the government nor the medical establishment, at the great risk of assuming liability, will not regard this phenomenon. We cannot criticize their rotten neuro-science in the mass marketing of psychiatric drugs, but expect them to validate this negative aspect of human behavior with their own studies. It is also be helpful down the line by culling these stories, as many who are being tried for crimes have benefitted from the testimony of anti-ssri physicians such as Dr. and Dr. Breggin. Often, a blurb in the paper is what gets the ball rolling. I hope it makes more sense why we post these types of articles...I realize they are disturbing, but it appears to be the nature of the beast! Peace, >From: greg dupre <gregdupre@...> >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Another Paxil murder... >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:47:19 -0800 (PST) > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 8:36:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > Not true, how many patients have you treated on > pediatric wards? pediatric psyc wards? > Is that a hint????? Are you a pediatric psychiatrist? Are you one of the people responsible for killing our children with these drugs because suddenly pediatric mental illness is the cash cow du jour? How about you come and take care of my friend's son, who after getting on the psychiatric medication-merry-go-round has been destroyed, starting with some fictitious dx of ADD for which he was prescribed Wellbutrin, after which he tried to kill himself after taking only two pills. I can't even list all the medications he's been on, but he can no longer function in society. Right now he's on 5 different brain scrambling drugs and is locked up in a facility. He was only eight when they started doping him. I know dozens of people whose kids were placed on various drug cocktails, only to have these kids suffer terribly with side effects (for which more medication was passed out), then withdrawal, then permanent neurological disorders such as TD. Not to mention the number of kids who hanged or shot themselves during withdrawal from an SSRI. These drugs never cured anything! There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. It's all propaganda and marketing strategy. Now, I'm going to ask you again. What's your agenda and why are you here disputing what we have spent years finding out about the b.s. factor in psychiatry and its arsenal of weapons that do nothing but cause brain damage. And please don't quote from the PDR or some other drug company sponsored literature. And don't even quote peer-reviewed journals either. Or some bogus study that was bought and paid for by the pharmas. We've heard it all, and nothing you say will ever change my mind, or the minds of most people on this board, about whether these drugs are renting asunder the very society we live in. Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/03 8:36:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, gregdupre@... writes: > Not true, how many patients have you treated on > pediatric wards? pediatric psyc wards? > Is that a hint????? Are you a pediatric psychiatrist? Are you one of the people responsible for killing our children with these drugs because suddenly pediatric mental illness is the cash cow du jour? How about you come and take care of my friend's son, who after getting on the psychiatric medication-merry-go-round has been destroyed, starting with some fictitious dx of ADD for which he was prescribed Wellbutrin, after which he tried to kill himself after taking only two pills. I can't even list all the medications he's been on, but he can no longer function in society. Right now he's on 5 different brain scrambling drugs and is locked up in a facility. He was only eight when they started doping him. I know dozens of people whose kids were placed on various drug cocktails, only to have these kids suffer terribly with side effects (for which more medication was passed out), then withdrawal, then permanent neurological disorders such as TD. Not to mention the number of kids who hanged or shot themselves during withdrawal from an SSRI. These drugs never cured anything! There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. It's all propaganda and marketing strategy. Now, I'm going to ask you again. What's your agenda and why are you here disputing what we have spent years finding out about the b.s. factor in psychiatry and its arsenal of weapons that do nothing but cause brain damage. And please don't quote from the PDR or some other drug company sponsored literature. And don't even quote peer-reviewed journals either. Or some bogus study that was bought and paid for by the pharmas. We've heard it all, and nothing you say will ever change my mind, or the minds of most people on this board, about whether these drugs are renting asunder the very society we live in. Glitter, author of <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story155965.html Saturday, September 27, 2003 Countess says she doesn't remember how shoe prints ended up on her mother Suspect in mother's death testifies " I was feeling almost like I was not even in my own body, like it wasn't even my energy moving my own limbs, " Countess said. By LINDSEY NAIR THE ROANOKE TIMES Hahn /The Roanoke Times " I don't know how those [shoe] prints got on my mama, " Countess said Friday as she stands trial in Roanoke. ÊÊÊ Countess took the stand Friday in her murder trial in Roanoke, comparing the moments she spent with her 82-year-old mother in the bathroom on the night of her death to " a hallucination. " ÊÊÊ Edna Dooley was pronounced dead early in the morning of May 3, 2002. An autopsy showed multiple blunt force injuries, including a crushed chest and shoe prints on her face and arm. Countess is charged with first-degree murder; her trial is scheduled to conclude Monday with a verdict from Circuit Court Judge Clifford Weckstein. ÊÊÊ Weckstein asked the defendant Friday whether she recognized the white tennis shoes placed before her on the stand. ÊÊÊ " I had gotten them at a thrift store and I do believe that I was wearing them that night but I don't know how those prints got on my mama, " she said. ÊÊÊ Prosecutor Alice Ekirch asked Countess whether she remembered stomping on her mother's body. ÊÊÊ " I don't remember being in my body, much less my shoes, when it happened, " she said. ÊÊÊ Ekirch answered that Countess obviously did it because her shoe prints were on her mother. ÊÊÊ " Did you see me do it? " Countess snapped. ÊÊÊ She said she recalls flashes of time that night, including a few moments when she and her mother got into a confrontation in the bathroom and began to hit each other with their hands and other objects in the room. ÊÊÊ " I was feeling almost like I was not even in my own body, like it wasn't even my energy moving my own limbs, and it seemed like I was hallucinating, " she said. " Funny shapes in the room, feeling dizzy, not feeling in control of my very own body and mind. " ÊÊÊ The next thing she knew, she said, she could not find her mother. She looked around and found something was blocking the bathroom door. Her memory flashes to being outside the house, alerting her brother, and then to standing against a post talking to a police officer, she said. ÊÊÊ Much of Countess' testimony rambled and she periodically broke down into sobbing spells. Ekirch spent more than an hour trying to determine which medications Countess was taking at the time of her mother's death. ÊÊÊ According to testimony from the defendant and her sister, Norma Draper, Countess suffers from fibromyalgia, borderline personality disorder, hystrionic personality disorder, back problems, nerve problems, bladder problems and respiratory problems. ÊÊÊ After much questioning, Countess said that on May 2, she was taking a prescription pain medication for fibromyalgia in combination with the antidepressant Paxil, Tylenol and ibuprophen. ÊÊÊ Public defenders Bagwell and Darren Welch are arguing that Countess was " involuntarily intoxicated " because of a combination of drugs and was unable to determine right from wrong when her mother was killed. ÊÊÊ Ekirch appeared to be attempting to show that Countess did not follow doctors' orders for taking prescription drugs. For example, she traded antidepressants with her mother at one point and stopped taking some drugs without her doctor's knowledge at another time, according to testimony from Countess. ÊÊÊ Ekirch also addressed a medical examiner's findings that Dooley had a toxic level of Paxil in her blood when she died. ÊÊÊ " I don't like prescription medications myself and I would never ever give my mama something, " Countess said. " I'm not trying to medicate myself or anyone else. " _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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