Re: My brother is now taking Lexapro

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I don't have any percentages for you. But I wonder if it's

enough just to count the ones who actually commit a murder or

suicide. Isn't just the urge to do so enough? If that is the case, I

strongly suspect the percentage is somewhere in the 50% bracket.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I don't have any percentages for you. But I wonder if it's

enough just to count the ones who actually commit a murder or

suicide. Isn't just the urge to do so enough? If that is the case, I

strongly suspect the percentage is somewhere in the 50% bracket.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I don't have any percentages for you. But I wonder if it's

enough just to count the ones who actually commit a murder or

suicide. Isn't just the urge to do so enough? If that is the case, I

strongly suspect the percentage is somewhere in the 50% bracket.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

[Guest guest]

Sometimes you have a choice in staying on the drug for life. If you

have a negative effect you either die, go to prison, or go through

withdrawal.

>

>

>

>

> Is your brother prepared to either a) be on it for life or

suffer

> the withdrawls when 'coming off' the drug?

>

> Are the people in his life prepared to be on the look out for mood

> and/or behavior changes encase he has a negative reaction to it?

>

> Just some questions I think someone has to answer before starting

on

> it.

[Guest guest]

Sometimes you have a choice in staying on the drug for life. If you

have a negative effect you either die, go to prison, or go through

withdrawal.

>

>

>

>

> Is your brother prepared to either a) be on it for life or

suffer

> the withdrawls when 'coming off' the drug?

>

> Are the people in his life prepared to be on the look out for mood

> and/or behavior changes encase he has a negative reaction to it?

>

> Just some questions I think someone has to answer before starting

on

> it.

[Guest guest]

Sometimes you have a choice in staying on the drug for life. If you

have a negative effect you either die, go to prison, or go through

withdrawal.

>

>

>

>

> Is your brother prepared to either a) be on it for life or

suffer

> the withdrawls when 'coming off' the drug?

>

> Are the people in his life prepared to be on the look out for mood

> and/or behavior changes encase he has a negative reaction to it?

>

> Just some questions I think someone has to answer before starting

on

> it.

[Guest guest]

Sometimes you have a choice in staying on the drug for life. If you

have a negative effect you either die, go to prison, or go through

withdrawal.

>

>

>

>

> Is your brother prepared to either a) be on it for life or

suffer

> the withdrawls when 'coming off' the drug?

>

> Are the people in his life prepared to be on the look out for mood

> and/or behavior changes encase he has a negative reaction to it?

>

> Just some questions I think someone has to answer before starting

on

> it.

[Guest guest]

And Caucasians are NOT the only ones taking them.

> > His doctor is a nureolologist.

> >

> > My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> > effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as

compared

> to

> > how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to

get

> > my

> > head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have

> side

> > effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

> and

> > kills 10, then he considers it safe.

> >

> > He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

> few

> > don't make it.

> >

> > My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you

> sat

> > on

> > the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

> from

> > it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going

on

> > the

> > market. (Percentages only).

> >

> > Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

> >

> > john

[Guest guest]

And Caucasians are NOT the only ones taking them.

> > His doctor is a nureolologist.

> >

> > My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> > effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as

compared

> to

> > how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to

get

> > my

> > head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have

> side

> > effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

> and

> > kills 10, then he considers it safe.

> >

> > He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

> few

> > don't make it.

> >

> > My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you

> sat

> > on

> > the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

> from

> > it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going

on

> > the

> > market. (Percentages only).

> >

> > Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

> >

> > john

[Guest guest]

And Caucasians are NOT the only ones taking them.

> > His doctor is a nureolologist.

> >

> > My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> > effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as

compared

> to

> > how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to

get

> > my

> > head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have

> side

> > effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

> and

> > kills 10, then he considers it safe.

> >

> > He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

> few

> > don't make it.

> >

> > My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you

> sat

> > on

> > the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

> from

> > it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going

on

> > the

> > market. (Percentages only).

> >

> > Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

> >

> > john

[Guest guest]

And Caucasians are NOT the only ones taking them.

> > His doctor is a nureolologist.

> >

> > My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> > effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as

compared

> to

> > how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to

get

> > my

> > head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have

> side

> > effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

> and

> > kills 10, then he considers it safe.

> >

> > He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

> few

> > don't make it.

> >

> > My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you

> sat

> > on

> > the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

> from

> > it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going

on

> > the

> > market. (Percentages only).

> >

> > Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

> >

> > john

[Guest guest]

Terry,

The " black hole " part is very interesting. I wonder what reason they

have had for keeping her on ADs so long.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

The " black hole " part is very interesting. I wonder what reason they

have had for keeping her on ADs so long.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

The " black hole " part is very interesting. I wonder what reason they

have had for keeping her on ADs so long.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

The " black hole " part is very interesting. I wonder what reason they

have had for keeping her on ADs so long.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I once read the percentage is higher for asians and blacks.

On 7/13/05, magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

> And Caucasians are NOT the only ones taking them.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I once read the percentage is higher for asians and blacks.

On 7/13/05, magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

> And Caucasians are NOT the only ones taking them.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<Subject: Re: My brother is now taking Lexapro

Sorry, I don't have any percentages for you. But I wonder if it's

enough just to count the ones who actually commit a murder or

suicide. Isn't just the urge to do so enough? If that is the case, I

strongly suspect the percentage is somewhere in the 50% bracket.>>

** I think that's a very high estimate. There would be many more

suicides and much more violence if this were so.

The danger, since the FDA hearings on children and SSRIs, is that

people are focusing only on suicide and homicide. The bigger problems

with these drugs are that they potentially damage ALL brains via the

severe withdrawal syndrome caused by rebound hyperactivity of the

cholinergic system. Cholinergic nerves are parasympathetic nerves.

These are part of the autonomic nervous system. These affect all

smooth muscles and act in opposition to the sympathetic nerves

(adrenergic nerves). This hyperexcitement neurotransmitters (caused

by the cholinergic rebound) can last years, with some symptoms never

abating, especially with long term exposure to these drugs as is

common today unless proper treatment is given.

The pharmaceutical companies have been given permission by the

FDA to forge ahead with drugs that show no more efficacy than the

previous generation of antidepressants ( tricyclics -- with the

efficacy appearing to be about 30%) and that pose danger to a person's

overall health and mental well-being. Because there is no lab test to

scientifically define the efficacy of these drugs, the drug companies

have been able to create drugs that dull the senses and say that they

are efficacious. When a person stops taking these according to the

instructions of his/her physician (who received the instructions from

the drug company) and begins having the cholinergic rebound, the

mental symptoms that are produced are said to be evidence that the

person still needs the drug(s). It's a beautiful system -- if you're

a stockholder in one of these drug companies.

I would hope that people don't lose track of this, focusing

instead on the much easier to understand, explain, and be horrified by

SSRI-induced violence against the self or others.

If all those prone to this violence were sorted out and not

given one of these drugs, the problem will not have been solved. It

won't be solved until it is recognized that going after depression

with one of these drugs is like going after a deer with an Uzi.

Virtually all depression can be addressed either through therapy

(exogenous depression) or orthomolecular treatment (endogenous

depression). No noe needs to suffer the brain-disabling effects of

antidepressant drugs. But that message will have to be delivered by

word of mouth and example because the frighteningly powerful

pharmaceutical industry is not about to lose one of its finest cash

cows.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I have only known these people for about 4 years, but the diagnoses for my boss'

mother-in-law have bounced all around depending on who her doctor is at the

time. She was diagnosed with some form of mental illness about 35 - 40 years

ago; they have said paranoid schizophrenia, catatonic schizophrenia, major

depressive disorder, and now they call it something like " long-term major

depressive disorder with psychotic manifestations " and she is institutionalized

for the 3rd time in her life. I'm not sure what the first drugs used were but

since the 60's or 70's she has been on all kinds of stuff - Ellavil, Lithium,

Thorazine, something like Melloril (?), Haldol, amitryptaline, Prozac, Zoloft,

Wellbutrin and Effexor - plus other psych drugs and meds for ulcers, high blood

pressure and insomnia. If it was out there, her doctors put her on it. She has

been moved from Illinois to Colorado to Illinois to Florida to Arkansas and back

to Florida to ease the stress on her kids as they have

tried to keep her at home with one of them as much as possible and still have

lives of their own. Her latest doctor ordered her meds continued while he tried

to reassess her situation. Hence the MRI and some specialized PET scan that

they did which literally shows a hole about the size of a lime where brain

matter should be --- but isn't. Too Dr. enstein for me. Poor soul.

Terry

magnoliaig <LEstill491@...> wrote:

Terry,

The " black hole " part is very interesting. I wonder what reason they

have had for keeping her on ADs so long.

> His doctor is a nureolologist.

>

> My brother, after telling him about possible suicide and violent

> effects, asked me, how many people does this drug help as compared

to

> how many it hurt. He is taking it for pain. He also told me to get

> my

> head out of the computer and face the fact that all drugs have side

> effects. The main issue with him is if it helps a million people

and

> kills 10, then he considers it safe.

>

> He also said that every operation is a risk. Most succeed, but a

few

> don't make it.

>

> My question to fellow members is where is the line drawn. If you sat

> on

> the FDA, what percent of people taking a drug, would have to die

from

> it, before you took it off the market or prevented it from going on

> the

> market. (Percentages only).

>

> Two of his doctors said no to Prozac and Paxil.

>

> john

>

>

>

>

>