Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

[Guest guest]

some suggestions:

1. look for envriomnmental and nutrition items, which have adverse effects on

mood

-has your friend had her hormone levels checked? e.g. low thyroid?

-some folks do not get enough B vitamins from thier food, need suppliments.

-some folks are allergic to mold in their homes and places of work.

- does she eat too much caffeine-ladened foods?

- and manh more such things.

2. emotional over-whelm from having-it-all-now-kind-kind-of- life.

3. having no spiritual life. spirtual emptiness looks, and feels like,

DEPRESSION.

4. like you said , you don't know all of her situation.

Then , too,there's the Prozac your friend is taking.

taking the Prozac in the short run can make a person feel somewhat betrer .

But in the ,long run it messes up a perosn moods. makes some folks more

depressed. See Street Magazine arlcle w/ Bob Whitaker. Bryce just posted it

here. Bob explains the " backlash " of Prozac. how it causes the brain over

produce seratonin synapses. too many seratonin synapases cause the

depresssion/mood swings which Prozac was supposed alleviate.

-pam

..

Gabdud@... wrote:

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

some suggestions:

1. look for envriomnmental and nutrition items, which have adverse effects on

mood

-has your friend had her hormone levels checked? e.g. low thyroid?

-some folks do not get enough B vitamins from thier food, need suppliments.

-some folks are allergic to mold in their homes and places of work.

- does she eat too much caffeine-ladened foods?

- and manh more such things.

2. emotional over-whelm from having-it-all-now-kind-kind-of- life.

3. having no spiritual life. spirtual emptiness looks, and feels like,

DEPRESSION.

4. like you said , you don't know all of her situation.

Then , too,there's the Prozac your friend is taking.

taking the Prozac in the short run can make a person feel somewhat betrer .

But in the ,long run it messes up a perosn moods. makes some folks more

depressed. See Street Magazine arlcle w/ Bob Whitaker. Bryce just posted it

here. Bob explains the " backlash " of Prozac. how it causes the brain over

produce seratonin synapses. too many seratonin synapases cause the

depresssion/mood swings which Prozac was supposed alleviate.

-pam

..

Gabdud@... wrote:

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

johnathan.

you wrote:<I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or

somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.>

well, at least the MH Industrial Complex should lay off calling *any amount* of

sadness/happiness a Mental Illnes.

yeah,i know, " mental illness IS a big fat cash cow " . the MI business is not

going to crash and burn just because we point out that it's fraudulent. It's

going to take something more awesome than truth-telling.

sorry, it's been a very bad day on the planet.

i gotta get some shut-eye.

'night all.

-persistantly and seriously pam

Gold <jonnygee@...> wrote:

Gab,

Nor is this anything new. Thoreau, writing in... what? The 1850s?.. said

" the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation. "

The question to me is why would anyone think that a spouse, a couple of

kids, a good income (aren't those the core of the 'American Dream'?) is a

prescription for happiness.

It's not unusual to find that people who 'seem' to have achieved the dream,

are nonetheless unhappy.

I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big

home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to

my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all

the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand

where the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I

know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

johnathan.

you wrote:<I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or

somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.>

well, at least the MH Industrial Complex should lay off calling *any amount* of

sadness/happiness a Mental Illnes.

yeah,i know, " mental illness IS a big fat cash cow " . the MI business is not

going to crash and burn just because we point out that it's fraudulent. It's

going to take something more awesome than truth-telling.

sorry, it's been a very bad day on the planet.

i gotta get some shut-eye.

'night all.

-persistantly and seriously pam

Gold <jonnygee@...> wrote:

Gab,

Nor is this anything new. Thoreau, writing in... what? The 1850s?.. said

" the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation. "

The question to me is why would anyone think that a spouse, a couple of

kids, a good income (aren't those the core of the 'American Dream'?) is a

prescription for happiness.

It's not unusual to find that people who 'seem' to have achieved the dream,

are nonetheless unhappy.

I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big

home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to

my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all

the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand

where the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I

know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

johnathan.

you wrote:<I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or

somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.>

well, at least the MH Industrial Complex should lay off calling *any amount* of

sadness/happiness a Mental Illnes.

yeah,i know, " mental illness IS a big fat cash cow " . the MI business is not

going to crash and burn just because we point out that it's fraudulent. It's

going to take something more awesome than truth-telling.

sorry, it's been a very bad day on the planet.

i gotta get some shut-eye.

'night all.

-persistantly and seriously pam

Gold <jonnygee@...> wrote:

Gab,

Nor is this anything new. Thoreau, writing in... what? The 1850s?.. said

" the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation. "

The question to me is why would anyone think that a spouse, a couple of

kids, a good income (aren't those the core of the 'American Dream'?) is a

prescription for happiness.

It's not unusual to find that people who 'seem' to have achieved the dream,

are nonetheless unhappy.

I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big

home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to

my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all

the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand

where the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I

know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

johnathan.

you wrote:<I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or

somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.>

well, at least the MH Industrial Complex should lay off calling *any amount* of

sadness/happiness a Mental Illnes.

yeah,i know, " mental illness IS a big fat cash cow " . the MI business is not

going to crash and burn just because we point out that it's fraudulent. It's

going to take something more awesome than truth-telling.

sorry, it's been a very bad day on the planet.

i gotta get some shut-eye.

'night all.

-persistantly and seriously pam

Gold <jonnygee@...> wrote:

Gab,

Nor is this anything new. Thoreau, writing in... what? The 1850s?.. said

" the mass of men live lives of quiet desperation. "

The question to me is why would anyone think that a spouse, a couple of

kids, a good income (aren't those the core of the 'American Dream'?) is a

prescription for happiness.

It's not unusual to find that people who 'seem' to have achieved the dream,

are nonetheless unhappy.

I think your comment means that you have to look deeper -- or somewhere a

little different -- to find out what makes people happy, or unhappy.

Gold

jonnygee@...

Re: Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big

home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to

my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all

the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand

where the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I

know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

Lol!

[Guest guest]

Lol!

[Guest guest]

One thing you may want to be aware of on this group is that the people here are

themselves survivors of ssri's who have been through Hell on earth, though maybe

even that term fails to adequately explain it, or people who have lost loved

ones to the drugs. I think it's great that you are here and want to learn more

about the dangers of these drugs. Please try to understand where people are

coming from and give it a little time.

[Guest guest]

One thing you may want to be aware of on this group is that the people here are

themselves survivors of ssri's who have been through Hell on earth, though maybe

even that term fails to adequately explain it, or people who have lost loved

ones to the drugs. I think it's great that you are here and want to learn more

about the dangers of these drugs. Please try to understand where people are

coming from and give it a little time.

[Guest guest]

Lol! I think you'll like the Glenmullen book, and for general reading Marcia

Angell's new book The Truth About Drug Companies which just came out this past

year.

[Guest guest]

Lol! I think you'll like the Glenmullen book, and for general reading Marcia

Angell's new book The Truth About Drug Companies which just came out this past

year.

[Guest guest]

Those are all good questions, Charlie! I zeroed in on the stress ... including

possibly the stress of keeping up appearances with the nice house and the

beautiful life when, for most folks even making ends meet is a problem. I agree

with you about the vacation, and wondered if she has considered finding outlets

other than her work, including whatever spirituality helps her and recreational

activities she enjoys, e.g. go to an amusement park, swimming, etc. I'm a true

crime buff and read all of 's books, Journey Into Darkness and

Mindhunters were too of my favorites. In both of them he describes how his work

profiling serial killers nearly killed him ... and points to the need for

finding ways of relieving stress.

[Guest guest]

Those are all good questions, Charlie! I zeroed in on the stress ... including

possibly the stress of keeping up appearances with the nice house and the

beautiful life when, for most folks even making ends meet is a problem. I agree

with you about the vacation, and wondered if she has considered finding outlets

other than her work, including whatever spirituality helps her and recreational

activities she enjoys, e.g. go to an amusement park, swimming, etc. I'm a true

crime buff and read all of 's books, Journey Into Darkness and

Mindhunters were too of my favorites. In both of them he describes how his work

profiling serial killers nearly killed him ... and points to the need for

finding ways of relieving stress.

[Guest guest]

Those are all good questions, Charlie! I zeroed in on the stress ... including

possibly the stress of keeping up appearances with the nice house and the

beautiful life when, for most folks even making ends meet is a problem. I agree

with you about the vacation, and wondered if she has considered finding outlets

other than her work, including whatever spirituality helps her and recreational

activities she enjoys, e.g. go to an amusement park, swimming, etc. I'm a true

crime buff and read all of 's books, Journey Into Darkness and

Mindhunters were too of my favorites. In both of them he describes how his work

profiling serial killers nearly killed him ... and points to the need for

finding ways of relieving stress.

[Guest guest]

Those are all good questions, Charlie! I zeroed in on the stress ... including

possibly the stress of keeping up appearances with the nice house and the

beautiful life when, for most folks even making ends meet is a problem. I agree

with you about the vacation, and wondered if she has considered finding outlets

other than her work, including whatever spirituality helps her and recreational

activities she enjoys, e.g. go to an amusement park, swimming, etc. I'm a true

crime buff and read all of 's books, Journey Into Darkness and

Mindhunters were too of my favorites. In both of them he describes how his work

profiling serial killers nearly killed him ... and points to the need for

finding ways of relieving stress.

[Guest guest]

I'll second that, . Even, no maybe especially people who have won the

gold metal in the Olympics have ended up being severely depressed, a waking up

and wondering if this is all there is. I agree with you that looking beyond the

outward appearance to find things that can make her truly happy, e.g.

spirituality, learning to unwind and enjoy time with her children, are both

important. I like the Thoreau quote too ... lives of quiet desperation, will

keep that one in mind.

[Guest guest]

I'll second that, . Even, no maybe especially people who have won the

gold metal in the Olympics have ended up being severely depressed, a waking up

and wondering if this is all there is. I agree with you that looking beyond the

outward appearance to find things that can make her truly happy, e.g.

spirituality, learning to unwind and enjoy time with her children, are both

important. I like the Thoreau quote too ... lives of quiet desperation, will

keep that one in mind.

[Guest guest]

I'll second that, . Even, no maybe especially people who have won the

gold metal in the Olympics have ended up being severely depressed, a waking up

and wondering if this is all there is. I agree with you that looking beyond the

outward appearance to find things that can make her truly happy, e.g.

spirituality, learning to unwind and enjoy time with her children, are both

important. I like the Thoreau quote too ... lives of quiet desperation, will

keep that one in mind.

[Guest guest]

I'll second that, . Even, no maybe especially people who have won the

gold metal in the Olympics have ended up being severely depressed, a waking up

and wondering if this is all there is. I agree with you that looking beyond the

outward appearance to find things that can make her truly happy, e.g.

spirituality, learning to unwind and enjoy time with her children, are both

important. I like the Thoreau quote too ... lives of quiet desperation, will

keep that one in mind.

[Guest guest]

I'll second that, . Even, no maybe especially people who have won the

gold metal in the Olympics have ended up being severely depressed, a waking up

and wondering if this is all there is. I agree with you that looking beyond the

outward appearance to find things that can make her truly happy, e.g.

spirituality, learning to unwind and enjoy time with her children, are both

important. I like the Thoreau quote too ... lives of quiet desperation, will

keep that one in mind.

[Guest guest]

I'll second that, . Even, no maybe especially people who have won the

gold metal in the Olympics have ended up being severely depressed, a waking up

and wondering if this is all there is. I agree with you that looking beyond the

outward appearance to find things that can make her truly happy, e.g.

spirituality, learning to unwind and enjoy time with her children, are both

important. I like the Thoreau quote too ... lives of quiet desperation, will

keep that one in mind.

[Guest guest]

, your remarks about the B vitamins are well-stated and not widely

known. My question is: does dosing with one or two of the B vitamins not do

more harm than good? I was told years ago, they all need to be supplied at

once, in the proper proportion to each other.

Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

Dear Terry,

You said:

<<By saying that you are taking vitamins, you are eliminating the

seratonin/norepinephrine theory. Vitamins supplement dietary intake.

Hence, you probably feel much more relaxed and more like yourself when

you have maintained a proper DIETARY balance...not brain chemical

balance, although mental alertness, physical well-being, etc. are all

effected by nutritional intake. Make sense? It's like treating a

hormonal imbalance (post-partum depression) with an SSRI - wouldn't it

make more sense to balance the hormones - not the brain chemicals?>>

** Nutrients are the fuel used to make neurotransmitters. If

there is a nutritional imbalance or deficit, there will be a chemical

imbalance or deficit. But they are addressed, and in most cases,

cured by the nutritional protocol appropriate for each individual

(biochemical individuality).

It is not uncommon for people to have difficulty metabolizing one

or more nutrients. The easily corrected reason for this is when a

person is not getting an appropriate amount of a few nutrients that

are required, they have difficulty assimilating certain other

nutrients.

A more chronic problem, so to speak, is the difficulty metabolizing

certain nutrients due to an absence of appropriate amounts of specific

P450 enzymes required to metabolize certain nutrients. Again, in this

case, one nutrient depletion leads to others as the nutrient(s) not

available are almost always needed as co-factors in the process of

assimilating other nutrients.

Pharmaceutical drugs also cause nutrient depletions.

For example, to take just one group of vitamins -- the brain needs

a good supply of B vitamins to act as coenzymes for many functions,

including converting nutrients from food to fuel that our bodies can

use. Glucose is the brain's primary fuel. If glucose levels fall, we

may feel depressed, tired, agressive, angry, and/or unable to think

clearly.

B vitamins are needed to help the brain make neurotransmitters,

the " messengers " that enable brain cells to communicate with each

other. Vitamin B6 is needed to manufacture serotonin, a

neurotransmitter that produces feelings of well-being. Without proper

supplies of vitamin B12, the brain could not make acetylcholine, an

important neurotransmitter involved in learning and memory. The B

vitamin known as folate (folic acid) is needed to make an important

group of mood-regulating chemicals called catecholamines, including

dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine. (Bukreev 1978; Carney et

al. 1990; Carney 1995; Fujii et al. 1996; Masuda et al. 1998;

Bottiglieri et al. 2000; Zhao et al. 2001).

Psychotropic drugs create chemical imbalance through the

manipulation of hormones/neurotransmitters, and nutrient depletions.

They are much more harmful than helpful, and will someday be known for

what they really are -- one of the biggest pharmaceutical drug frauds

perpetrated on patients by the drug industry and those who make

significant money from the crimes of the drug industry.

Regards,

--

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Cate,

You said:

<<, your remarks about the B vitamins are well-stated and not

widely known. My question is: does dosing with one or two of the B

vitamins not do more harm than good? I was told years ago, they all

need to be supplied at once, in the proper proportion to each other.>>

** I think that applies to vitamins and minerals overall. I'd

much rather see a foundation of full spectrum nutrition with

additional doses of supplements on top of that than the piecemeal

supplementing often done. For instance, Vit C in the absence of

appropriate Vit E is poorly absorbed while low zinc will prevent

magnesium absorption.

--

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Cate,

You said:

<<, your remarks about the B vitamins are well-stated and not

widely known. My question is: does dosing with one or two of the B

vitamins not do more harm than good? I was told years ago, they all

need to be supplied at once, in the proper proportion to each other.>>

** I think that applies to vitamins and minerals overall. I'd

much rather see a foundation of full spectrum nutrition with

additional doses of supplements on top of that than the piecemeal

supplementing often done. For instance, Vit C in the absence of

appropriate Vit E is poorly absorbed while low zinc will prevent

magnesium absorption.

--

Regards,