Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

[Guest guest]

No, I cannot explain this in detail. I don't quite understand it myself,

but this is just what I was told throughout my schooling. It was explained to

me that some people have a chemical imbalance in the brain. Imbalance of

serotonin is the cause of many forms of mental illnesses including depression.

It was explained to us that neurotransmitters send chemicals back and forth

to different parts of the brain (can't name the exact parts, sorry) and that

when a chemical is off balance it can cause a form of mental illness. It was

explained that if someone has no reason to be depressed.....nice home, good

career, supportive family and friends, financially secured, no major

problems....but are depressed, then it is caused by chemical imbalance.

However, if a

person has an existing concern or problem then the depression is caused by

the problem that needs to be solved and not a chemical imbalance. This is

just what we were taught in school.

Gab

[Guest guest]

No, I cannot explain this in detail. I don't quite understand it myself,

but this is just what I was told throughout my schooling. It was explained to

me that some people have a chemical imbalance in the brain. Imbalance of

serotonin is the cause of many forms of mental illnesses including depression.

It was explained to us that neurotransmitters send chemicals back and forth

to different parts of the brain (can't name the exact parts, sorry) and that

when a chemical is off balance it can cause a form of mental illness. It was

explained that if someone has no reason to be depressed.....nice home, good

career, supportive family and friends, financially secured, no major

problems....but are depressed, then it is caused by chemical imbalance.

However, if a

person has an existing concern or problem then the depression is caused by

the problem that needs to be solved and not a chemical imbalance. This is

just what we were taught in school.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your support. Once again, you are very rude....however, I'm

not shocked at this point. Don't you get it? I'm on your side. I'm just

trying to gain more knowledge and simply answered the question as to what we

were taught in school. So why the hostility toward me? What is wrong with you

people? Instead of helping me understand the effects of SSRI, all you are

doing is putting me down and acting like a bunch of high school kids. Your

behavior is totally uncalled for.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your support. Once again, you are very rude....however, I'm

not shocked at this point. Don't you get it? I'm on your side. I'm just

trying to gain more knowledge and simply answered the question as to what we

were taught in school. So why the hostility toward me? What is wrong with you

people? Instead of helping me understand the effects of SSRI, all you are

doing is putting me down and acting like a bunch of high school kids. Your

behavior is totally uncalled for.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your support. Once again, you are very rude....however, I'm

not shocked at this point. Don't you get it? I'm on your side. I'm just

trying to gain more knowledge and simply answered the question as to what we

were taught in school. So why the hostility toward me? What is wrong with you

people? Instead of helping me understand the effects of SSRI, all you are

doing is putting me down and acting like a bunch of high school kids. Your

behavior is totally uncalled for.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your support. Once again, you are very rude....however, I'm

not shocked at this point. Don't you get it? I'm on your side. I'm just

trying to gain more knowledge and simply answered the question as to what we

were taught in school. So why the hostility toward me? What is wrong with you

people? Instead of helping me understand the effects of SSRI, all you are

doing is putting me down and acting like a bunch of high school kids. Your

behavior is totally uncalled for.

Gab

[Guest guest]

I always wondered myself how doctor's come to the conclusion that someone

has a chemical imbalance. Testing for chemical imbalance was never discussed

in school. Hmm, interesting! I will definitely read Glenmullen's book.

Thank you for making me aware of this. Okay, now I'm finally learning

something

Gab

[Guest guest]

I always wondered myself how doctor's come to the conclusion that someone

has a chemical imbalance. Testing for chemical imbalance was never discussed

in school. Hmm, interesting! I will definitely read Glenmullen's book.

Thank you for making me aware of this. Okay, now I'm finally learning

something

Gab

[Guest guest]

I always wondered myself how doctor's come to the conclusion that someone

has a chemical imbalance. Testing for chemical imbalance was never discussed

in school. Hmm, interesting! I will definitely read Glenmullen's book.

Thank you for making me aware of this. Okay, now I'm finally learning

something

Gab

[Guest guest]

I always wondered myself how doctor's come to the conclusion that someone

has a chemical imbalance. Testing for chemical imbalance was never discussed

in school. Hmm, interesting! I will definitely read Glenmullen's book.

Thank you for making me aware of this. Okay, now I'm finally learning

something

Gab

[Guest guest]

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

There is no chemical imbalance.

You've been duped.

Whatever else you were taught in that school you should toss out it out

the window and get a job driving cabs or do something else useful.

Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

> No, I cannot explain this in detail. I don't quite understand it myself,

> but this is just what I was told throughout my schooling. It was

explained to

> me that some people have a chemical imbalance in the brain. Imbalance of

> serotonin is the cause of many forms of mental illnesses including

depression.

> It was explained to us that neurotransmitters send chemicals back and

forth

> to different parts of the brain (can't name the exact parts, sorry) and

that

> when a chemical is off balance it can cause a form of mental illness. It

was

> explained that if someone has no reason to be depressed.....nice home,

good

> career, supportive family and friends, financially secured, no major

> problems....but are depressed, then it is caused by chemical imbalance.

However, if a

> person has an existing concern or problem then the depression is caused

by

> the problem that needs to be solved and not a chemical imbalance. This

is

> just what we were taught in school.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is no chemical imbalance.

You've been duped.

Whatever else you were taught in that school you should toss out it out

the window and get a job driving cabs or do something else useful.

Re: individuals who have a chemical imbalance

> No, I cannot explain this in detail. I don't quite understand it myself,

> but this is just what I was told throughout my schooling. It was

explained to

> me that some people have a chemical imbalance in the brain. Imbalance of

> serotonin is the cause of many forms of mental illnesses including

depression.

> It was explained to us that neurotransmitters send chemicals back and

forth

> to different parts of the brain (can't name the exact parts, sorry) and

that

> when a chemical is off balance it can cause a form of mental illness. It

was

> explained that if someone has no reason to be depressed.....nice home,

good

> career, supportive family and friends, financially secured, no major

> problems....but are depressed, then it is caused by chemical imbalance.

However, if a

> person has an existing concern or problem then the depression is caused

by

> the problem that needs to be solved and not a chemical imbalance. This

is

> just what we were taught in school.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have several questions for you ... first, it is good that you mention problems

that need to be solved other than a chemical imbalance. I think if you read

Glenmullen's book, you'll find that one of the first things he points out is

that the sarotonin imbalance is not something that can be impirically tested for

and that the pharmaceutical companies have a huge part in perpetuating this

notion. I never understood how psychiatrists or doctors could tell if someone

had a sarotonin imbalance ... there are no blood tests or brain scans run to

check if a patient with depression actually has such an imbalance. Other

contributing factors like nutrition, environmental causes, and empowering people

to face stress when it arises are often not considered in the chemical imbalance

theory ... for hmo's and general practitioners who prescribe SSRI's when

insurance companies won't pay for therapy, the belief in a chemical imbalance is

a way to medicalize conditions like depression, or anxiety.

[Guest guest]

I have several questions for you ... first, it is good that you mention problems

that need to be solved other than a chemical imbalance. I think if you read

Glenmullen's book, you'll find that one of the first things he points out is

that the sarotonin imbalance is not something that can be impirically tested for

and that the pharmaceutical companies have a huge part in perpetuating this

notion. I never understood how psychiatrists or doctors could tell if someone

had a sarotonin imbalance ... there are no blood tests or brain scans run to

check if a patient with depression actually has such an imbalance. Other

contributing factors like nutrition, environmental causes, and empowering people

to face stress when it arises are often not considered in the chemical imbalance

theory ... for hmo's and general practitioners who prescribe SSRI's when

insurance companies won't pay for therapy, the belief in a chemical imbalance is

a way to medicalize conditions like depression, or anxiety.

[Guest guest]

Well,

This won't be a popular opinion but I believe that there is a chemical

imbalance component to mental illness. I know, that for me personally,

I am much, much more relaxed and feel more like myself when I am taking

my vitamins.

[Guest guest]

Well,

This won't be a popular opinion but I believe that there is a chemical

imbalance component to mental illness. I know, that for me personally,

I am much, much more relaxed and feel more like myself when I am taking

my vitamins.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gab

I would have to ask how long it has been since they took a vacation

to somewhere they could just rest and be themselves. I also wonder

being an FBI agent if the unending stress has compromised her

endocrine system adrenal, thyroid etc. Do they eat most of their

meals out or cook at home?

Just some thoughts.

I also want to say that most people in this group have been hurt

very badly by " medications " in one way or another and from that

comes a lot of anger. There is a lot of knowlege here gained by

experience and endless hours of research.

Good Luck

Charlie

>

> I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience

depression

> when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be

depressed? Okay,

> here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good

life, but she

> states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a

beautiful big home,

> both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen

profession

> and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and

according to my

> friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels

depressed all the

> time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she

feels like

> crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that

it has

> helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't

understand where the

> depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation

than I know,

> but she claims that she does not know herself why she is

depressed. Any

> thoughts?

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gab

I would have to ask how long it has been since they took a vacation

to somewhere they could just rest and be themselves. I also wonder

being an FBI agent if the unending stress has compromised her

endocrine system adrenal, thyroid etc. Do they eat most of their

meals out or cook at home?

Just some thoughts.

I also want to say that most people in this group have been hurt

very badly by " medications " in one way or another and from that

comes a lot of anger. There is a lot of knowlege here gained by

experience and endless hours of research.

Good Luck

Charlie

>

> I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience

depression

> when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be

depressed? Okay,

> here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good

life, but she

> states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a

beautiful big home,

> both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen

profession

> and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and

according to my

> friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels

depressed all the

> time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she

feels like

> crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that

it has

> helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't

understand where the

> depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation

than I know,

> but she claims that she does not know herself why she is

depressed. Any

> thoughts?

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Terry,

You said:

<<By saying that you are taking vitamins, you are eliminating the

seratonin/norepinephrine theory. Vitamins supplement dietary intake.

Hence, you probably feel much more relaxed and more like yourself when

you have maintained a proper DIETARY balance...not brain chemical

balance, although mental alertness, physical well-being, etc. are all

effected by nutritional intake. Make sense? It's like treating a

hormonal imbalance (post-partum depression) with an SSRI - wouldn't it

make more sense to balance the hormones - not the brain chemicals?>>

** Nutrients are the fuel used to make neurotransmitters. If

there is a nutritional imbalance or deficit, there will be a chemical

imbalance or deficit. But they are addressed, and in most cases,

cured by the nutritional protocol appropriate for each individual

(biochemical individuality).

It is not uncommon for people to have difficulty metabolizing one

or more nutrients. The easily corrected reason for this is when a

person is not getting an appropriate amount of a few nutrients that

are required, they have difficulty assimilating certain other

nutrients.

A more chronic problem, so to speak, is the difficulty metabolizing

certain nutrients due to an absence of appropriate amounts of specific

P450 enzymes required to metabolize certain nutrients. Again, in this

case, one nutrient depletion leads to others as the nutrient(s) not

available are almost always needed as co-factors in the process of

assimilating other nutrients.

Pharmaceutical drugs also cause nutrient depletions.

For example, to take just one group of vitamins -- the brain needs

a good supply of B vitamins to act as coenzymes for many functions,

including converting nutrients from food to fuel that our bodies can

use. Glucose is the brain's primary fuel. If glucose levels fall, we

may feel depressed, tired, agressive, angry, and/or unable to think

clearly.

B vitamins are needed to help the brain make neurotransmitters,

the " messengers " that enable brain cells to communicate with each

other. Vitamin B6 is needed to manufacture serotonin, a

neurotransmitter that produces feelings of well-being. Without proper

supplies of vitamin B12, the brain could not make acetylcholine, an

important neurotransmitter involved in learning and memory. The B

vitamin known as folate (folic acid) is needed to make an important

group of mood-regulating chemicals called catecholamines, including

dopamine, norepinephrine, and epinephrine. (Bukreev 1978; Carney et

al. 1990; Carney 1995; Fujii et al. 1996; Masuda et al. 1998;

Bottiglieri et al. 2000; Zhao et al. 2001).

Psychotropic drugs create chemical imbalance through the

manipulation of hormones/neurotransmitters, and nutrient depletions.

They are much more harmful than helpful, and will someday be known for

what they really are -- one of the biggest pharmaceutical drug frauds

perpetrated on patients by the drug industry and those who make

significant money from the crimes of the drug industry.

Regards,

--

Regards,

[Guest guest]

some suggestions:

1. look for envriomnmental and nutrition items, which have adverse effects on

mood

-has your friend had her hormone levels checked? e.g. low thyroid?

-some folks do not get enough B vitamins from thier food, need suppliments.

-some folks are allergic to mold in their homes and places of work.

- does she eat too much caffeine-ladened foods?

- and manh more such things.

2. emotional over-whelm from having-it-all-now-kind-kind-of- life.

3. having no spiritual life. spirtual emptiness looks, and feels like,

DEPRESSION.

4. like you said , you don't know all of her situation.

Then , too,there's the Prozac your friend is taking.

taking the Prozac in the short run can make a person feel somewhat betrer .

But in the ,long run it messes up a perosn moods. makes some folks more

depressed. See Street Magazine arlcle w/ Bob Whitaker. Bryce just posted it

here. Bob explains the " backlash " of Prozac. how it causes the brain over

produce seratonin synapses. too many seratonin synapases cause the

depresssion/mood swings which Prozac was supposed alleviate.

-pam

..

Gabdud@... wrote:

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab

[Guest guest]

some suggestions:

1. look for envriomnmental and nutrition items, which have adverse effects on

mood

-has your friend had her hormone levels checked? e.g. low thyroid?

-some folks do not get enough B vitamins from thier food, need suppliments.

-some folks are allergic to mold in their homes and places of work.

- does she eat too much caffeine-ladened foods?

- and manh more such things.

2. emotional over-whelm from having-it-all-now-kind-kind-of- life.

3. having no spiritual life. spirtual emptiness looks, and feels like,

DEPRESSION.

4. like you said , you don't know all of her situation.

Then , too,there's the Prozac your friend is taking.

taking the Prozac in the short run can make a person feel somewhat betrer .

But in the ,long run it messes up a perosn moods. makes some folks more

depressed. See Street Magazine arlcle w/ Bob Whitaker. Bryce just posted it

here. Bob explains the " backlash " of Prozac. how it causes the brain over

produce seratonin synapses. too many seratonin synapases cause the

depresssion/mood swings which Prozac was supposed alleviate.

-pam

..

Gabdud@... wrote:

I guess what I don't understand is why do some people experience depression

when there is no evidence (obvious reason) for them to be depressed? Okay,

here is an example. My friend appears to have a pretty good life, but she

states that she is very depressed all the time. She has a beautiful big home,

both her and her husband are FBI agents. They love their chosen profession

and earn a nice income. They have two beautiful children and according to my

friend, they are happily married. I asked her why she feels depressed all the

time and she said she did not know. She cannot explain why she feels like

crying all the time. She is currently on Prozac and claims that it has

helped her. However, I am worried about her. I just don't understand where

the

depression stems from. I'm sure there is more to her situation than I know,

but she claims that she does not know herself why she is depressed. Any

thoughts?

Gab