Re: Re: anger and grief... Deb

[Guest guest]

When a person has no insurance and they need to see a doctor

sometimes there is no other choice. Free clinics may take two

months just to get in and they really are not equipped to handle

most of the cases like us. They are good for colds, etc, not

24/7 pain from neck or back issues.

ine

Re: anger and grief... Deb

Folks go to the ER all the time where I live. I havent heard anyone say its

dr. shopping. cindy

>

> well when you have no insurance it is called " STAYIN ALIVE "

> But you have a point so... what was your recommendation ??

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/24/2010 7:39:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> i_ownaberner@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Going er to er is called dr shopping and it's not good to be labeled as

> such.

> Deb rn

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:35 PM, _tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...)

> wrote:

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23@...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't see where ERs are equipped for us either. I don't have insurance nor

even an income because I am trying to get disability social security. I have

been to the ER when the pain would become so extreme or I would be so swollen I

couldn't breathe deeply. I was given tests I didn't need and told to see my

doctor, which I can't afford.

 

On the topic of going to multiple ERs: Our local ER's are very suspicious of

people that they see frequently for pain issues because of the rampant abuse and

street dealing of narcotic pain medications. Why would someone go to an ER that

is not near where they live ( travelers not included)? The main reason for ERs

is being near you so you can get help quickly. By going to one not near to you

as a walk in you are raising suspicion by the people you are wanting to treat

you. It is getting increasingly hard for people who honestly need these

medications to get them because of so many that don't.

 

Jane H.

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If seeking ER care for a chronic problem in search of pain medicine is called

doctor shopping......from 10 years in hospital administrationand 12 years of

patient care (ICU/ER/recover room) once a patient is determined to be a

" frequent flyer " they find it difficult to find medical care.  Before HIPA laws

ERs would communicate drug seeking behavior of patients. by name..now they still

do they just dont use the patients name......doctor shopping is usually done

with patients complaining of migraines, back pain, etc.

It was always strange when patients " hit " one ER the others in the area were hit

as well.

Find a health clinic that offers care according to sliding scale.  The best

place to find them is in urban/cities....if you want to tell me the city and

state you live in I can find a couple for you....

Deb RN

 Debra

________________________________

From: grasshopperx_10 <woody1014@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 1:59:07 PM

Subject: Re: anger and grief... Deb

 

Folks go to the ER all the time where I live. I havent heard anyone say its dr.

shopping. cindy

>

> well when you have no insurance it is called " STAYIN ALIVE "

> But you have a point so... what was your recommendation ??

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/24/2010 7:39:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> i_ownaberner@ ... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Going er to er is called dr shopping and it's not good to be labeled as

> such.

> Deb rn

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:35 PM, _tomhfsu@... _ (mailto:tomhfsu@ ...)

> wrote:

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If seeking ER care for a chronic problem in search of pain medicine is called

doctor shopping......from 10 years in hospital administrationand 12 years of

patient care (ICU/ER/recover room) once a patient is determined to be a

" frequent flyer " they find it difficult to find medical care.  Before HIPA laws

ERs would communicate drug seeking behavior of patients. by name..now they still

do they just dont use the patients name......doctor shopping is usually done

with patients complaining of migraines, back pain, etc.

It was always strange when patients " hit " one ER the others in the area were hit

as well.

Find a health clinic that offers care according to sliding scale.  The best

place to find them is in urban/cities....if you want to tell me the city and

state you live in I can find a couple for you....

Deb RN

 Debra

________________________________

From: grasshopperx_10 <woody1014@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 1:59:07 PM

Subject: Re: anger and grief... Deb

 

Folks go to the ER all the time where I live. I havent heard anyone say its dr.

shopping. cindy

>

> well when you have no insurance it is called " STAYIN ALIVE "

> But you have a point so... what was your recommendation ??

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/24/2010 7:39:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> i_ownaberner@ ... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Going er to er is called dr shopping and it's not good to be labeled as

> such.

> Deb rn

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:35 PM, _tomhfsu@... _ (mailto:tomhfsu@ ...)

> wrote:

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are clinics that are equipped to take care of ALL but a few very

specialized medical problems.  It will not be immediate gratification

however.  Every time a patient goes to an ER they are referred to a physician

on call.   Even if you dont have insurance the doc still has to see you and

you will be expected to pay for the services.  i compare going from ER to ER

for care, if its in fact so no bill is paid, to taking your car from shop to

shop to see who will fix it for free.....many ER's now ask for money when you

go to leave

Another idea, is to search for clinical trials for headaches...there is never a

cost, if the treatment is successfull often you can stay on the med for 1 years

after the study at no cost to you...

Another good place to look is Catholic institutions of health care such as the

Sisters of Mercy, St 's, and the ian Brothers.......Another good way to

search is to contact a social worker at a local hospital....they often can find

referrals and reduced cost care that the average person doesnt know about......

If none of these work, let me know and I can give you some other avenues.....

Deb RN

 Debra

________________________________

From: rosedragon <rosedragon@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 2:16:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: anger and grief... Deb

 

When a person has no insurance and they need to see a doctor

sometimes there is no other choice. Free clinics may take two

months just to get in and they really are not equipped to handle

most of the cases like us. They are good for colds, etc, not

24/7 pain from neck or back issues.

ine

[PainInTheNeck- Back] Re: anger and grief... Deb

Folks go to the ER all the time where I live. I havent heard anyone say its dr.

shopping. cindy

>

> well when you have no insurance it is called " STAYIN ALIVE "

> But you have a point so... what was your recommendation ??

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/24/2010 7:39:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> i_ownaberner@ ... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Going er to er is called dr shopping and it's not good to be labeled as

> such.

> Deb rn

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:35 PM, _tomhfsu@... _ (mailto:tomhfsu@ ...)

> wrote:

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are clinics that are equipped to take care of ALL but a few very

specialized medical problems.  It will not be immediate gratification

however.  Every time a patient goes to an ER they are referred to a physician

on call.   Even if you dont have insurance the doc still has to see you and

you will be expected to pay for the services.  i compare going from ER to ER

for care, if its in fact so no bill is paid, to taking your car from shop to

shop to see who will fix it for free.....many ER's now ask for money when you

go to leave

Another idea, is to search for clinical trials for headaches...there is never a

cost, if the treatment is successfull often you can stay on the med for 1 years

after the study at no cost to you...

Another good place to look is Catholic institutions of health care such as the

Sisters of Mercy, St 's, and the ian Brothers.......Another good way to

search is to contact a social worker at a local hospital....they often can find

referrals and reduced cost care that the average person doesnt know about......

If none of these work, let me know and I can give you some other avenues.....

Deb RN

 Debra

________________________________

From: rosedragon <rosedragon@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 2:16:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: anger and grief... Deb

 

When a person has no insurance and they need to see a doctor

sometimes there is no other choice. Free clinics may take two

months just to get in and they really are not equipped to handle

most of the cases like us. They are good for colds, etc, not

24/7 pain from neck or back issues.

ine

[PainInTheNeck- Back] Re: anger and grief... Deb

Folks go to the ER all the time where I live. I havent heard anyone say its dr.

shopping. cindy

>

> well when you have no insurance it is called " STAYIN ALIVE "

> But you have a point so... what was your recommendation ??

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/24/2010 7:39:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> i_ownaberner@ ... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Going er to er is called dr shopping and it's not good to be labeled as

> such.

> Deb rn

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:35 PM, _tomhfsu@... _ (mailto:tomhfsu@ ...)

> wrote:

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jane

well put....

Deb Rn

 Debra

________________________________

From: Jane <borlan9191962@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 2:48:59 PM

Subject: Re: Re: anger and grief... Deb

 

I don't see where ERs are equipped for us either. I don't have insurance nor

even an income because I am trying to get disability social security. I have

been to the ER when the pain would become so extreme or I would be so swollen I

couldn't breathe deeply. I was given tests I didn't need and told to see my

doctor, which I can't afford.

 

On the topic of going to multiple ERs: Our local ER's are very suspicious of

people that they see frequently for pain issues because of the rampant abuse and

street dealing of narcotic pain medications. Why would someone go to an ER that

is not near where they live ( travelers not included)? The main reason for ERs

is being near you so you can get help quickly. By going to one not near to you

as a walk in you are raising suspicion by the people you are wanting to treat

you. It is getting increasingly hard for people who honestly need these

medications to get them because of so many that don't.

 

Jane H.

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jane

well put....

Deb Rn

 Debra

________________________________

From: Jane <borlan9191962@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 2:48:59 PM

Subject: Re: Re: anger and grief... Deb

 

I don't see where ERs are equipped for us either. I don't have insurance nor

even an income because I am trying to get disability social security. I have

been to the ER when the pain would become so extreme or I would be so swollen I

couldn't breathe deeply. I was given tests I didn't need and told to see my

doctor, which I can't afford.

 

On the topic of going to multiple ERs: Our local ER's are very suspicious of

people that they see frequently for pain issues because of the rampant abuse and

street dealing of narcotic pain medications. Why would someone go to an ER that

is not near where they live ( travelers not included)? The main reason for ERs

is being near you so you can get help quickly. By going to one not near to you

as a walk in you are raising suspicion by the people you are wanting to treat

you. It is getting increasingly hard for people who honestly need these

medications to get them because of so many that don't.

 

Jane H.

>

> Darn... I feel bad for you.. Really...

> Can you go to an ER. for help??

> It is an unfortunate fact of life that Social Security will deny you if

> able.. Without a doctor who is willing to say you are disabled you are in

> a

> bad place..

> Maybe the thing you have to do is go from ER to ER until you find a

> sympathetic doctor, who is willing to help...

> One thing that will be really hard but you have to do is present a mild

> mannered approach that gathers sympathy...

> Gosh, I hope you get help..

> : (

> T

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2010 11:49:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,

> _verbascum23@ verbascum_ (mailto:verbascum23 @...) writes:

>

> I want to apologize for the angry version of myself that posted a few days

> ago. It's not how I like to present myself to the world.

>

> It feels sometimes that I am going through the grieving process whenever I

> have a severe migraine:

>

> a. It's not really getting severe, right? If I close my eyes and shut it

> out of my mind I won't get worse....

>

> b. OH NO! I'm angry that I'm in so much pain and I have no way to reduce

> it!

>

> c. Please just let me be, migraine! I would give anything to be rid of

> this life-constricting pain!

>

> d. I can't continue any further like this, please kill me now.

>

> e. Well, I don't really ever accept this. The severe migraines never last

> more than a month at a time, and I guess that's not long enough for me to

> accept my lot in life.

>

>