Re: Alienation from family and friends?

September 14, 2009

I am old and I also take many pills - all of them food supplements. I even my own antbiotics from essential oils.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Dann Murray Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:23:36 -0400<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends? Hello,I am in a same situation and I know how it feels.I spoke with my 85 y.o. father yesterday. He has prostate cancer. Amongst all the pills he takes they give him these kind of hormones and his voice becomes like a woman. Although I do not call him often, I did last night and we had again an argument. I told him he should maybe tell the doctor about his pills since he has to make such an effort to speak louder because of his voice. He agrees so much about the medical system... he told me that when I get old I will also have to take many pills. I told him that I am against it and he told me I was stupid.Today, I was following a course for the last 5 weeks at a school. We are 15 in the class. Although I am strong at school they are all reluctant to me because I talked to them about the virus coming and the forced-vaccination. Frustrating. Today it is our last day and we are having lunch and a happy hour after school. I will not stay very long with them since these people have nothing to talk about. Unless, there was a TV show here in the province of Quebec........if everybody watched that.......then they will surely come to me and tell me I was right about the vaccination.Anyhow, this situation brings so many arguments........it is very frustrating...I understand.......On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <firefliianimail (DOT) net> wrote: Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions. Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

In many of my conversations in public I am ether preaching to the choir or I witness the turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. Very polarized.Kirk

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up'

at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

Yes..... totally.... one cousin woman (I have so little family by now) asked me not to ever mention that subject again and to stop sending her information.

My father told me I was stupid and that I was a nonsense although he is a knowledgeable person and I keep sending him articles from good newspapers.

My only sister does not talk to me anymore.

My boyfriend and I keep arguing more and more.

Some people told me that I am obsessed and that I should enjoy life more.

The worst part is the fact that the information comes always first in English.

I live in Canada in the Province of Quebec where almost everybody speaks only French.

But, suddenly, few days ago, there was this program on TV with Jean-Luc Mongrain... This program has lots of credibility.

So.. I guess the subject will start to be open by now.

I have decided to stay alone in my cage and not mention this subject anymore. When I talk, people thinks that I want to show them that I know more. So, one way or another, because I am more informed since I understand English, it just creates me more problems. Sad!

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <fireflii@...> wrote:

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

My heart goes out to all of you. I've only been studying this for 4 years or so, so I am a bit new to the game, but I have been blessed to have a family and lots of friends who stand back and try to think about how they might be influenced by the myriad of brainwashing techniques. I know that in almost every case it comes from knowing that each one of us has made the choice to seek the Truth in every situation no matter how incriminating or humiliating it might be. A majority of my friends and family have each made that decision spiritually, so it's not a huge leap to make to imagine the battle for our souls includes our health, liberty, our respect for one another, how it turns our prosperity into greed, and much much more. I still have several extremely intelligent friends with 1-4 children that are still hanging on to that final thread of the benefits outweigh the risks. I continue to pray that they do not close their eyes too far so they can save their children before it's too late.

As of the 29th of August, I am in S Korea, and I've been recieved extremely well here. They are suffering from a current leveling off of the birth rate as vaccines have become much more widely accepted here. One of my students even had a miscarriage the second day I had class with her. =/ She's very eager to learn about all this.

I know this is not a religious forum, but each of you have my prayers that your family members will open their eyes to all Truth, and that each action they take to either deny or accept it effects the quality of not only their own life, but the lives of their loved ones as well.

Be patient, logical, always support your arguments with research without losing your head, and trust God in all of this. Like I said, I know this isn't a religious forum, but without that relationship, most of the family and friends that agree and support me would not have done so.

I am thankful for everyone here and all the diligence they show in keeping us all informed. =)

Peace,

~Matt

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:13 PM, <lordeeme@...> wrote:

This has surely been an ongoing issue for me these past 24 years but I have basically learned to deal with it by believing that the TRUTH is always revealed and though I do not know when those who criticize my choices will see the light. I am just glad that I have. Now, I have to convince the court that it is in the best interest of my 11 year old not to be vaccinated regardless of what her ignorant bio Dad thinks.

Working on that one now!!

Mavis

In a message dated 9/14/2009 8:37:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, janick2547@... writes:

Hello,

I am in a same situation and I know how it feels.

I spoke with my 85 y.o. father yesterday. He has prostate cancer. Amongst all the pills he takes they give him these kind of hormones and his voice becomes like a woman. Although I do not call him often, I did last night and we had again an argument. I told him he should maybe tell the doctor about his pills since he has to make such an effort to speak louder because of his voice. He agrees so much about the medical system... he told me that when I get old I will also have to take many pills. I told him that I am against it and he told me I was stupid.

Today, I was following a course for the last 5 weeks at a school. We are 15 in the class. Although I am strong at school they are all reluctant to me because I talked to them about the virus coming and the forced-vaccination. Frustrating. Today it is our last day and we are having lunch and a happy hour after school. I will not stay very long with them since these people have nothing to talk about. Unless, there was a TV show here in the province of Quebec........if everybody watched that.......then they will surely come to me and tell me I was right about the vaccination.

Anyhow, this situation brings so many arguments........it is very frustrating...

I understand.......

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <fireflii@...> wrote:

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

During this TV program re: forced-vaccination, there was a lawyer who was invited.

He mentioned he has looked and studied carefully at our constitution and ONLY ONE DOCTOR is needed to decide if all the Province of Quebec people should be vaccinated or NOT. That is all that is required legally meaning that they do not need a Consortium of some sort or decisions taken from high source.

This TV show will surely have an impact.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <fireflii@...> wrote:

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

Jeff & Joni and Deanne,

If you read and get information, it is because you are ahead of the other people. It means you are curious and want to know more.

Even the lawyer on this interview on TV in French said: Please, it is all over Internet, do your OWN research. I was so glad to here him say that on TV.

What I think and I could be wrong but very soon the people who think we are crazy and going to be very surprised when all this will start. Once they are forced for vaccination, some of them will definitely not like it.. I mean the fact to have to be forced.

Also, as we all know by now, the recession will not get better although the fact that, apparently, in the newspapers they mentioned that Recession was now finish (how ridicule!!!) while so many of our enterprises are closing right now. So, the recession will not get better, on the contrary it will go worst. The economy will collapse totally soon. They even talk about changing our currency for the AMERO for North America soon (this we heard about for a few years and now they are starting to talk about it).

There is also the Hyper inflation which will follow. This inflation will surely create famine and the people will not be able to pay their home and whatever bills. This famine will create big problems amongst us.

So, what I mean is that soon or later all our biological family or friends, etc. will definitely understand that we had understood what was going on long time ago. The only difference is that WE will be prepared at least mentally while THEY WILL BE ON A SHOCK and will need us.

Yep!

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Jeff & Joni <jeffnjoni@...> wrote:

Deanne, your post could have been written by me. When I warned my daughter against taking the swine flu vaccine she wrote back saying I shouldn’t believe everything I read on the internet.

Like you I wondered how could she have said that when she herself believes everything she reads or is told. She then told me ever since she can remember I’ve been telling her these type of things…..like how the banks are going to fail (starting back in the 70’s), our government is corrupt, conspiracies, etc, etc. When I mentioned concern about my two grandchildren getting the vaccine she reminded me that they have had all their vaccines. She said she hasn’t heard anything yet about the swine flu vaccine at school.

My heart breaks knowing that my two little grandchildren will be right in line to receive theirs with full approval from momma. My son-in-law is in the Coast Guard. Trained in homeland security. Isn’t that nice?

When I had my amalgams removed the first of this year she really thought I was nuts. She’s a dental hygienist. She’s been taught they are harmless of course. She has cared absolutely nothing about my interest for years in herbs and natural medicine . She’s all into her beliefs in the medical field.

And that’s just my daughter. Yes, it’s very hard having your family and loved ones look upon you as being crazy and way out there. It’s like they look at me with a hatred at times. At least that’s how I feel sometimes. I’ve been told things that have felt like a knife piercing my heart and then breaking what’s left of it. But, as a Christian I must keep telling the truth and after doing all I can, I am to stand. Stand, trusting in my Lord Jesus Christ. There’s no way I could go on without Him.

Joni

September 14, 2009

Hi Deanne,

Oh yeah, I can just see my families and

friends rolling their eyes just by my saying the word chemtrails….LOL!

I guess we are what you could call thorns in their sides huh? Ouch.

We don’t talk about what most people want to hear. They want to

talk about who the next American Idol will be. I can’t contribute

to that conversation….we haven’t had TV hook up for over 11 years.

Which right there makes me REALLY weird! “You DON’T have

TV?? I couldn’t live without TV!!” That’s too

bad. I actually have a life. I don’t live someone else’s

life in some stupid sitcom….ha!

I won’t keep quiet about what our

government is doing to us though. I haven’t since the early 70’s,

why should I stop now? I’m telling everyone I meet about this swine

flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and then that leads to a bunch

of other truths.

For all those that are Christians,

remember Ephesians 5:11….And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works

of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful

works of darkness. If we are commanded to reprove them and have no

fellowship with them, we certainly are not to have them injected into our

bodies!!

I make it a point to mention to Christians

when telling them about what’s in the swine flu vaccine, that aborted

fetus is an ingredient. That perks them up. That gets them

thinking. I pray it will make a change.

Joni

September 14, 2009

Hi Deanne,

Oh yeah, I can just see my families and

friends rolling their eyes just by my saying the word chemtrails….LOL!

I guess we are what you could call thorns in their sides huh? Ouch.

We don’t talk about what most people want to hear. They want to

talk about who the next American Idol will be. I can’t contribute

to that conversation….we haven’t had TV hook up for over 11 years.

Which right there makes me REALLY weird! “You DON’T have

TV?? I couldn’t live without TV!!” That’s too

bad. I actually have a life. I don’t live someone else’s

life in some stupid sitcom….ha!

I won’t keep quiet about what our

government is doing to us though. I haven’t since the early 70’s,

why should I stop now? I’m telling everyone I meet about this swine

flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and then that leads to a bunch

of other truths.

For all those that are Christians,

remember Ephesians 5:11….And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works

of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful

works of darkness. If we are commanded to reprove them and have no

fellowship with them, we certainly are not to have them injected into our

bodies!!

I make it a point to mention to Christians

when telling them about what’s in the swine flu vaccine, that aborted

fetus is an ingredient. That perks them up. That gets them

thinking. I pray it will make a change.

Joni

September 14, 2009

I have to say ditto to all who commented on this thread. I know I am in good company now

C.

September 14, 2009

I have to say ditto to all who commented on this thread. I know I am in good company now

C.

September 14, 2009

You are fighting experts that program the subconscious.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_BernaysPerhaps if you could put your finger on what enabled you to see the lack of the emperors new clothes. In all truth they are entranced. Really truly - they are.It is one of the major tools they rule with.KirkFrom: Deanne <anniedee@...>Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends?no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:50 PM

My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream' . It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her!

I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET....with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here!

Deanne

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

AMEN to all of your responses!

>

> Hi Deanne,

>

> Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by

> my saying the word chemtrails..LOL! I guess we are what you could call

> thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don't talk about what most people want

> to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I

> can't contribute to that conversation..we haven't had TV hook up for over 11

> years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! " You DON'T have TV?? I

> couldn't live without TV!! " That's too bad. I actually have a life. I

> don't live someone else's life in some stupid sitcom..ha!

>

> I won't keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I

> haven't since the early 70's, why should I stop now? I'm telling everyone I

> meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and

> then that leads to a bunch of other truths.

>

> For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11..And have no

> fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

>

> Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are

> commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are

> not to have them injected into our bodies!!

>

> I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what's in

> the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them

> up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change.

>

> Joni

>

September 14, 2009

AMEN to all of your responses!

>

> Hi Deanne,

>

> Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by

> my saying the word chemtrails..LOL! I guess we are what you could call

> thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don't talk about what most people want

> to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I

> can't contribute to that conversation..we haven't had TV hook up for over 11

> years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! " You DON'T have TV?? I

> couldn't live without TV!! " That's too bad. I actually have a life. I

> don't live someone else's life in some stupid sitcom..ha!

>

> I won't keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I

> haven't since the early 70's, why should I stop now? I'm telling everyone I

> meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and

> then that leads to a bunch of other truths.

>

> For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11..And have no

> fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

>

> Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are

> commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are

> not to have them injected into our bodies!!

>

> I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what's in

> the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them

> up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change.

>

> Joni

>

September 14, 2009

AMEN to all of your responses!

>

> Hi Deanne,

>

> Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by

> my saying the word chemtrails..LOL! I guess we are what you could call

> thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don't talk about what most people want

> to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I

> can't contribute to that conversation..we haven't had TV hook up for over 11

> years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! " You DON'T have TV?? I

> couldn't live without TV!! " That's too bad. I actually have a life. I

> don't live someone else's life in some stupid sitcom..ha!

>

> I won't keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I

> haven't since the early 70's, why should I stop now? I'm telling everyone I

> meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and

> then that leads to a bunch of other truths.

>

> For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11..And have no

> fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

>

> Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are

> commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are

> not to have them injected into our bodies!!

>

> I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what's in

> the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them

> up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change.

>

> Joni

>

September 14, 2009

AMEN to all of your responses!

>

> Hi Deanne,

>

> Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by

> my saying the word chemtrails..LOL! I guess we are what you could call

> thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don't talk about what most people want

> to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I

> can't contribute to that conversation..we haven't had TV hook up for over 11

> years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! " You DON'T have TV?? I

> couldn't live without TV!! " That's too bad. I actually have a life. I

> don't live someone else's life in some stupid sitcom..ha!

>

> I won't keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I

> haven't since the early 70's, why should I stop now? I'm telling everyone I

> meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and

> then that leads to a bunch of other truths.

>

> For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11..And have no

> fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

>

> Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are

> commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are

> not to have them injected into our bodies!!

>

> I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what's in

> the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them

> up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change.

>

> Joni

>

September 14, 2009

Hoo Hah Joni. I quit TV too but can't remember the year. Long years ago though. I was watching law and order and it was one long govt propaganda piece. I thought who needs this baloney and turned it off permanently. So since I am not hypnotized by the propaganda I still have my own mind.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Jeff Joni" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:54:15 -0700<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: RE: Alienation from family and friends? Hi Deanne, Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by my saying the word chemtrails….LOL! I guess we are what you could call thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don’t talk about what most people want to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I can’t contribute to that conversation….we haven’t had TV hook up for over 11 years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! “You DON’T have TV?? I couldn’t live without TV!!” That’s too bad. I actually have a life. I don’t live someone else’s life in some stupid sitcom….ha! I won’t keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I haven’t since the early 70’s, why should I stop now? I’m telling everyone I meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and then that leads to a bunch of other truths. For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11….And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are not to have them injected into our bodies!! I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what’s in the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change. Joni

September 14, 2009

Hoo Hah Joni. I quit TV too but can't remember the year. Long years ago though. I was watching law and order and it was one long govt propaganda piece. I thought who needs this baloney and turned it off permanently. So since I am not hypnotized by the propaganda I still have my own mind.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Jeff Joni" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:54:15 -0700<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: RE: Alienation from family and friends? Hi Deanne, Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by my saying the word chemtrails….LOL! I guess we are what you could call thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don’t talk about what most people want to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I can’t contribute to that conversation….we haven’t had TV hook up for over 11 years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! “You DON’T have TV?? I couldn’t live without TV!!” That’s too bad. I actually have a life. I don’t live someone else’s life in some stupid sitcom….ha! I won’t keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I haven’t since the early 70’s, why should I stop now? I’m telling everyone I meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and then that leads to a bunch of other truths. For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11….And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are not to have them injected into our bodies!! I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what’s in the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change. Joni

September 14, 2009

Hoo Hah Joni. I quit TV too but can't remember the year. Long years ago though. I was watching law and order and it was one long govt propaganda piece. I thought who needs this baloney and turned it off permanently. So since I am not hypnotized by the propaganda I still have my own mind.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Jeff Joni" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:54:15 -0700<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: RE: Alienation from family and friends? Hi Deanne, Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by my saying the word chemtrails….LOL! I guess we are what you could call thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don’t talk about what most people want to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I can’t contribute to that conversation….we haven’t had TV hook up for over 11 years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! “You DON’T have TV?? I couldn’t live without TV!!” That’s too bad. I actually have a life. I don’t live someone else’s life in some stupid sitcom….ha! I won’t keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I haven’t since the early 70’s, why should I stop now? I’m telling everyone I meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and then that leads to a bunch of other truths. For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11….And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are not to have them injected into our bodies!! I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what’s in the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change. Joni

September 14, 2009

Hoo Hah Joni. I quit TV too but can't remember the year. Long years ago though. I was watching law and order and it was one long govt propaganda piece. I thought who needs this baloney and turned it off permanently. So since I am not hypnotized by the propaganda I still have my own mind.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Jeff Joni" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:54:15 -0700<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: RE: Alienation from family and friends? Hi Deanne, Oh yeah, I can just see my families and friends rolling their eyes just by my saying the word chemtrails….LOL! I guess we are what you could call thorns in their sides huh? Ouch. We don’t talk about what most people want to hear. They want to talk about who the next American Idol will be. I can’t contribute to that conversation….we haven’t had TV hook up for over 11 years. Which right there makes me REALLY weird! “You DON’T have TV?? I couldn’t live without TV!!” That’s too bad. I actually have a life. I don’t live someone else’s life in some stupid sitcom….ha! I won’t keep quiet about what our government is doing to us though. I haven’t since the early 70’s, why should I stop now? I’m telling everyone I meet about this swine flu vaccine and then that leads to all vaccines and then that leads to a bunch of other truths. For all those that are Christians, remember Ephesians 5:11….And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Vaccines are certainly the unfruitful works of darkness. If we are commanded to reprove them and have no fellowship with them, we certainly are not to have them injected into our bodies!! I make it a point to mention to Christians when telling them about what’s in the swine flu vaccine, that aborted fetus is an ingredient. That perks them up. That gets them thinking. I pray it will make a change. Joni

September 14, 2009

The flicker rate of tv puts people In a helpless mental state of suggestibility and the new hdtv is even worse and induces a stronger trance.Ann Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Kirk McLoren Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:02:50 -0700 (PDT)<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends? You are fighting experts that program the subconscious.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_BernaysPerhaps if you could put your finger on what enabled you to see the lack of the emperors new clothes. In all truth they are entranced. Really truly - they are.It is one of the major tools they rule with.KirkFrom: Deanne <anniedeemchsi>Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends?no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:50 PM My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream' . It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her! I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET....with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here! Deanne [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Alienation from family and friends? Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 14, 2009

The flicker rate of tv puts people In a helpless mental state of suggestibility and the new hdtv is even worse and induces a stronger trance.Ann Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Kirk McLoren Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:02:50 -0700 (PDT)<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends? You are fighting experts that program the subconscious.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_BernaysPerhaps if you could put your finger on what enabled you to see the lack of the emperors new clothes. In all truth they are entranced. Really truly - they are.It is one of the major tools they rule with.KirkFrom: Deanne <anniedeemchsi>Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends?no-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:50 PM My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream' . It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her! I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET....with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here! Deanne [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Alienation from family and friends? Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

September 16, 2009

There is a wonderful new film in French/English

will forward the flyer next in this thread.

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> > Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

> > My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to

> > it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a

> > radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to

> > me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this

> > is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared

> > incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to

> > allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance

> > over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets

> > the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she

> > is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the

> > lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in

> > their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening,

> > and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all

> > trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

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> > Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn

> > of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar

> > issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need

> > to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will

> > only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

> >

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September 16, 2009