Re: Alienation from family and friends?

[Guest guest]

I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams. Bad behaviors, character disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point,

so I protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I love my new church, but they are on balance in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of the ingredients). Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some, but my conspiracy "theories" and good education have finally paid off in terms of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly, and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late now. Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother, she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice them. Tell her that the

shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to illness.

From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AMSubject: Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs,

no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams. Bad behaviors, character disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point,

so I protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I love my new church, but they are on balance in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of the ingredients). Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some, but my conspiracy "theories" and good education have finally paid off in terms of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly, and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late now. Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother, she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice them. Tell her that the

shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to illness.

From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AMSubject: Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs,

no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams. Bad behaviors, character disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point,

so I protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I love my new church, but they are on balance in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of the ingredients). Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some, but my conspiracy "theories" and good education have finally paid off in terms of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly, and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late now. Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother, she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice them. Tell her that the

shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to illness.

From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AMSubject: Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs,

no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams. Bad behaviors, character disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point,

so I protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I love my new church, but they are on balance in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of the ingredients). Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some, but my conspiracy "theories" and good education have finally paid off in terms of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly, and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late now. Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother, she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice them. Tell her that the

shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to illness.

From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AMSubject: Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs,

no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

Yes! we have had to deal with the alienation from family and friends because our

beliefs differ and we choose to educate ourselves before making any health

decisions.

Just know that it is the majority of the people in this world who do not want to

think for themselves.

When you and I question anything i.e., the latest H1N1 and how vaccines are

excepted as the only option out there. We know different because we've chosen

to educate ourselves and thus opened our eyes to the truth behind the hype.

When the lies are being challenged most people will feel offended because they

are dealing with the fact that they blindly believe what the media tells them.

Whenever someone like you or I challenge those theories.... I believe there is a

bit of conviction on their part for not educating themselves.

The majority of people believe the white coats (allowpath doc's) are God's right

hand....so tragic!

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent

this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to

give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age

it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of

awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst

shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds

are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government,

the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

Yes! we have had to deal with the alienation from family and friends because our

beliefs differ and we choose to educate ourselves before making any health

decisions.

Just know that it is the majority of the people in this world who do not want to

think for themselves.

When you and I question anything i.e., the latest H1N1 and how vaccines are

excepted as the only option out there. We know different because we've chosen

to educate ourselves and thus opened our eyes to the truth behind the hype.

When the lies are being challenged most people will feel offended because they

are dealing with the fact that they blindly believe what the media tells them.

Whenever someone like you or I challenge those theories.... I believe there is a

bit of conviction on their part for not educating themselves.

The majority of people believe the white coats (allowpath doc's) are God's right

hand....so tragic!

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent

this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to

give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age

it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of

awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst

shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds

are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government,

the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

Yes! we have had to deal with the alienation from family and friends because our

beliefs differ and we choose to educate ourselves before making any health

decisions.

Just know that it is the majority of the people in this world who do not want to

think for themselves.

When you and I question anything i.e., the latest H1N1 and how vaccines are

excepted as the only option out there. We know different because we've chosen

to educate ourselves and thus opened our eyes to the truth behind the hype.

When the lies are being challenged most people will feel offended because they

are dealing with the fact that they blindly believe what the media tells them.

Whenever someone like you or I challenge those theories.... I believe there is a

bit of conviction on their part for not educating themselves.

The majority of people believe the white coats (allowpath doc's) are God's right

hand....so tragic!

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent

this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to

give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age

it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of

awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst

shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds

are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government,

the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

Yes! we have had to deal with the alienation from family and friends because our

beliefs differ and we choose to educate ourselves before making any health

decisions.

Just know that it is the majority of the people in this world who do not want to

think for themselves.

When you and I question anything i.e., the latest H1N1 and how vaccines are

excepted as the only option out there. We know different because we've chosen

to educate ourselves and thus opened our eyes to the truth behind the hype.

When the lies are being challenged most people will feel offended because they

are dealing with the fact that they blindly believe what the media tells them.

Whenever someone like you or I challenge those theories.... I believe there is a

bit of conviction on their part for not educating themselves.

The majority of people believe the white coats (allowpath doc's) are God's right

hand....so tragic!

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent

this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to

give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age

it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of

awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst

shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds

are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government,

the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

AMEN !

>

> I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most

of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams.  Bad behaviors, character

disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in

themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the

family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are

people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own

efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work

record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having

gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things

like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point, so I

protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer

daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I

love my new church, but they are on balance

> in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of

the ingredients).  Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some,

but my conspiracy " theories " and good education have finally paid off in terms

of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant

family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly,

and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late

now.  Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them

with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother,

she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice

them. Tell her that the shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to

illness.

>  

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AM

> Subject: Alienation from family and friends?

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My

biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this

summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give

her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it

will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness

in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up'

at the top of my lungs, no

> one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the

facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream'. It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her!

I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET...with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here!

Deanne

Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

AMEN !

>

> I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most

of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams.  Bad behaviors, character

disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in

themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the

family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are

people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own

efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work

record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having

gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things

like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point, so I

protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer

daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I

love my new church, but they are on balance

> in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of

the ingredients).  Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some,

but my conspiracy " theories " and good education have finally paid off in terms

of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant

family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly,

and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late

now.  Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them

with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother,

she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice

them. Tell her that the shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to

illness.

>  

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AM

> Subject: Alienation from family and friends?

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My

biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this

summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give

her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it

will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness

in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up'

at the top of my lungs, no

> one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the

facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream'. It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her!

I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET...with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here!

Deanne

Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

AMEN !

>

> I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most

of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams.  Bad behaviors, character

disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in

themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the

family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are

people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own

efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work

record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having

gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things

like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point, so I

protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer

daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I

love my new church, but they are on balance

> in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of

the ingredients).  Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some,

but my conspiracy " theories " and good education have finally paid off in terms

of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant

family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly,

and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late

now.  Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them

with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother,

she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice

them. Tell her that the shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to

illness.

>  

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AM

> Subject: Alienation from family and friends?

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My

biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this

summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give

her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it

will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness

in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up'

at the top of my lungs, no

> one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the

facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream'. It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her!

I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET...with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here!

Deanne

Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

AMEN !

>

> I've pretty much lost my biological family for the same reasons, though most

of them have been casualties of vacc/amalscams.  Bad behaviors, character

disorders and mental confusion are symptoms that most people can't admit to in

themselves and others can't forgive. I almost laughed when I was told that the

family had mostly written me off due to my wacky conspiracy notions. These are

people who have been on disability for years, lived mostly off my own

efforts, and haven't managed much in the way of a quality education or work

record. What hurt me today is that my disabled daughter (MS) announced having

gotten a series of vaccinations recently, no doubt in part to defy me. Things

like that a person has to get used to. I have my own breaking point, so I

protect myself by living far away and committing myself to fervent prayer

daily. I'm social and outgoing, but living away from such trouble is a relief. I

love my new church, but they are on balance

> in favor of vaccinations (though against the abortions used to obtain some of

the ingredients).  Still, I've won some of them over. You win some, lose some,

but my conspiracy " theories " and good education have finally paid off in terms

of very good health, tons of great friends and a great life, while my indignant

family members are in various stages of decomposition inwardly and outwardly,

and sometimes express regrets over the way they've treated me, but it's too late

now.  Take care of yourself, let them go, let the government take care of them

with your tax dollars in accord with their own wishes. As for your mother,

she may be 96, but her wishes should be respected if she's at all able to voice

them. Tell her that the shots contain toxins that impair judgement and lead to

illness.

>  

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: moxnyx <fireflii@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:11:56 AM

> Subject: Alienation from family and friends?

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My

biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren) , this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this

summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give

her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it

will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness

in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up'

at the top of my lungs, no

> one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the

facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

My family also thinks I am a nut case! I have completely stopped talking to them about anything 'mainstream'. It just does no good! They are ALL going to get the swine vaccine, and are beginning to pressure me about getting it! That will NEVER happen! Here's the kicker...because of my beliefs (I call it having my eyes WIDE OPEN), they have the nerve to tell me that I should not believe everything I read and hear! Can you believe that?! They are ALL so brainwashed it sickens me, and all from what they have read and heard! They don't even realize they are victims of the very thing they tell me not to believe! It's incredible! MY PARENTS WATCH AND HAVE 100% FAITH IN FOX NEWS! What does that tell you? Wanna know another one? My sister has an 11 year old son with autism, and she firmly believes that he developed it from vaccinations, and yet she pushes and pushes my kids, who are young parents, to make sure they get their babies vaccinated! She wants to be first in line for the flu shot, and wants all of us right behind her!

I don't even know what to think anymore. They can't make me change my mind and I can't make them change theirs, so I just leave it at that. They talk about me behind my back like I am some kind of a freak and it just boggles my mind. I never realized brainwashing was like it really is...AN ENTIRE PLANET...with the exception of a few. They really think something is wrong with me! I just refuse to talk to them about ANYTHING political or medical or religous. I tell them I don't want to talk about it because they are really only trying to see if I am still "into that stuff", and then ridicule me. Maybe they will "wake up" someday, but I doubt it. They seem to be happy where they are, having their lives controlled in every way. I'm sure they will be first in line for the verichip (or whatever it's called) too. This site is where I find relief, keep coming here!

Deanne

Alienation from family and friends?

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

---I took ti upon myself to move to the country, 40 minutes away from my

homeplace, and use the computer to discuss, things.

** note

My Dad went to the ER sat with dehydration, he had since wed, and as weak. He

is 79 years old.. The nurse came in his room [they kept him over night] and ask

if he wanted his flu shot, while in the hospital. He started to say yes, and I

spoke up and said he is compromised enough, and a flu shot might make him

symptomatic, so no thank you. The youngish nurse had just told me one on

one,that she did not take flu shots... HELLO>>>>>

For those who do not liten nor think beyond getting these shot like rote, even

when warned.. I speak up and if they don't get it.. I say God Bless ..and let it

go.In no-forced-vaccination , " moxnyx " <fireflii@...> wrote:

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent

this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to

give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age

it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of

awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst

shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds

are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government,

the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

---I took ti upon myself to move to the country, 40 minutes away from my

homeplace, and use the computer to discuss, things.

** note

My Dad went to the ER sat with dehydration, he had since wed, and as weak. He

is 79 years old.. The nurse came in his room [they kept him over night] and ask

if he wanted his flu shot, while in the hospital. He started to say yes, and I

spoke up and said he is compromised enough, and a flu shot might make him

symptomatic, so no thank you. The youngish nurse had just told me one on

one,that she did not take flu shots... HELLO>>>>>

For those who do not liten nor think beyond getting these shot like rote, even

when warned.. I speak up and if they don't get it.. I say God Bless ..and let it

go.In no-forced-vaccination , " moxnyx " <fireflii@...> wrote:

>

> Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs?

My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it...

however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical,

insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero

contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to

take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent

this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to

give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine

unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age

it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me,

enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of

awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst

shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds

are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government,

the medical community and the religions.

>

> Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of

events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues,

it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support

each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting

harder as this thing heats up...

>

[Guest guest]

Deanne, your post could have been written

by me. When I warned my daughter against taking the swine flu vaccine she

wrote back saying I shouldn’t believe everything I read on the internet.

Like you I wondered how could she have

said that when she herself believes everything she reads or is told. She

then told me ever since she can remember I’ve been telling her these type

of things…..like how the banks are going to fail (starting back in the 70’s),

our government is corrupt, conspiracies, etc, etc. When I mentioned

concern about my two grandchildren getting the vaccine she reminded me that

they have had all their vaccines. She said she hasn’t heard

anything yet about the swine flu vaccine at school.

My heart breaks knowing that my two little

grandchildren will be right in line to receive theirs with full approval from

momma. My son-in-law is in the Coast Guard. Trained in homeland

security. Isn’t that nice?

When I had my amalgams removed the first

of this year she really thought I was nuts. She’s a dental hygienist.

She’s been taught they are harmless of course. She has cared absolutely

nothing about my interest for years in herbs and natural medicine . She’s

all into her beliefs in the medical field.

And that’s just my daughter. Yes,

it’s very hard having your family and loved ones look upon you as being

crazy and way out there. It’s like they look at me with a hatred at

times. At least that’s how I feel sometimes. I’ve been told

things that have felt like a knife piercing my heart and then breaking what’s

left of it. But, as a Christian I must keep telling the truth and after

doing all I can, I am to stand. Stand, trusting in my Lord Jesus Christ.

There’s no way I could go on without Him.

Joni

[Guest guest]

Deanne, your post could have been written

by me. When I warned my daughter against taking the swine flu vaccine she

wrote back saying I shouldn’t believe everything I read on the internet.

Like you I wondered how could she have

said that when she herself believes everything she reads or is told. She

then told me ever since she can remember I’ve been telling her these type

of things…..like how the banks are going to fail (starting back in the 70’s),

our government is corrupt, conspiracies, etc, etc. When I mentioned

concern about my two grandchildren getting the vaccine she reminded me that

they have had all their vaccines. She said she hasn’t heard

anything yet about the swine flu vaccine at school.

My heart breaks knowing that my two little

grandchildren will be right in line to receive theirs with full approval from

momma. My son-in-law is in the Coast Guard. Trained in homeland

security. Isn’t that nice?

When I had my amalgams removed the first

of this year she really thought I was nuts. She’s a dental hygienist.

She’s been taught they are harmless of course. She has cared absolutely

nothing about my interest for years in herbs and natural medicine . She’s

all into her beliefs in the medical field.

And that’s just my daughter. Yes,

it’s very hard having your family and loved ones look upon you as being

crazy and way out there. It’s like they look at me with a hatred at

times. At least that’s how I feel sometimes. I’ve been told

things that have felt like a knife piercing my heart and then breaking what’s

left of it. But, as a Christian I must keep telling the truth and after

doing all I can, I am to stand. Stand, trusting in my Lord Jesus Christ.

There’s no way I could go on without Him.

Joni

[Guest guest]

RE: Alienation from family and friends?

My heart goes out to you also Joni! If you think what happens to me over the whole immunization deal is bad, you ought to see and hear what I go through when I bring up the subject of CHEMTRAILS!

Deanne

[Guest guest]

RE: Alienation from family and friends?

My heart goes out to you also Joni! If you think what happens to me over the whole immunization deal is bad, you ought to see and hear what I go through when I bring up the subject of CHEMTRAILS!

Deanne

[Guest guest]

This has surely been an ongoing issue for me these past 24 years but I have basically learned to deal with it by believing that the TRUTH is always revealed and though I do not know when those who criticize my choices will see the light. I am just glad that I have. Now, I have to convince the court that it is in the best interest of my 11 year old not to be vaccinated regardless of what her ignorant bio Dad thinks.

Working on that one now!!

Mavis

In a message dated 9/14/2009 8:37:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, janick2547@... writes:

Hello,

I am in a same situation and I know how it feels.

I spoke with my 85 y.o. father yesterday. He has prostate cancer. Amongst all the pills he takes they give him these kind of hormones and his voice becomes like a woman. Although I do not call him often, I did last night and we had again an argument. I told him he should maybe tell the doctor about his pills since he has to make such an effort to speak louder because of his voice. He agrees so much about the medical system... he told me that when I get old I will also have to take many pills. I told him that I am against it and he told me I was stupid.

Today, I was following a course for the last 5 weeks at a school. We are 15 in the class. Although I am strong at school they are all reluctant to me because I talked to them about the virus coming and the forced-vaccination. Frustrating. Today it is our last day and we are having lunch and a happy hour after school. I will not stay very long with them since these people have nothing to talk about. Unless, there was a TV show here in the province of Quebec........if everybody watched that.......then they will surely come to me and tell me I was right about the vaccination.

Anyhow, this situation brings so many arguments........it is very frustrating...

I understand.......

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <firefliianimail (DOT) net> wrote:

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

[Guest guest]

Hello,I am in a same situation and I know how it feels.I spoke with my 85 y.o. father yesterday.  He has prostate cancer.  Amongst all the pills he takes they give him these kind of hormones and his voice becomes like a woman.  Although I do not call him often, I did last night and we had again an argument.  I told him he should maybe tell the doctor about his pills since he has to make such an effort to speak louder because of his voice.  He agrees so much about the medical system... he told me that when I get old I will also have to take many pills.  I told him that I am against it and he told me I was stupid.

Today, I was following a course for the last 5 weeks at a school.  We are 15 in the class.  Although I am strong at school they are all reluctant to me because I talked to them about the virus coming and the forced-vaccination.  Frustrating.  Today it is our last day and we are having lunch and a happy hour after school.  I will not stay very long with them since these people have nothing to talk about.  Unless, there was a TV show here in the province of Quebec........if everybody watched that.......then they will surely come to me and tell me I was right about the vaccination.

Anyhow, this situation brings so many arguments........it is very frustrating...I understand.......On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <fireflii@...> wrote:

 

Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions.

Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...

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I am old and I also take many pills - all of them food supplements. I even my own antbiotics from essential oils.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Dann Murray Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:23:36 -0400<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Re: Alienation from family and friends? Hello,I am in a same situation and I know how it feels.I spoke with my 85 y.o. father yesterday.  He has prostate cancer.  Amongst all the pills he takes they give him these kind of hormones and his voice becomes like a woman.  Although I do not call him often, I did last night and we had again an argument.  I told him he should maybe tell the doctor about his pills since he has to make such an effort to speak louder because of his voice.  He agrees so much about the medical system... he told me that when I get old I will also have to take many pills.  I told him that I am against it and he told me I was stupid.Today, I was following a course for the last 5 weeks at a school.  We are 15 in the class.  Although I am strong at school they are all reluctant to me because I talked to them about the virus coming and the forced-vaccination.  Frustrating.  Today it is our last day and we are having lunch and a happy hour after school.  I will not stay very long with them since these people have nothing to talk about.  Unless, there was a TV show here in the province of Quebec........if everybody watched that.......then they will surely come to me and tell me I was right about the vaccination.Anyhow, this situation brings so many arguments........it is very frustrating...I understand.......On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:11 PM, moxnyx <firefliianimail (DOT) net> wrote:   Are any of you experiencing alienation from loved ones due to your beliefs? My biological family has long considered me a 'nut case' and I am used to it... however, this vaccine issue has pushed them over the top. I am now a radical, insane, unpatriotic, etc etc, and none of them are even speaking to me. Zero contact is available with my 3 children (and 9 grandchildren), this is hard to take. My 96 yr old mother is in a nursing home and was declared incompetent this summer, and I am her medical POA. I have flatly refused to allow them to give her the seasonal flu, and intend to take the same stance over the swine unpandemic. My sisters position is now that if my mom gets the flu at her age it will kill her, and that I am endangering her life, she is furious with me, enlisting the support of everyone else. I feel like the lone ranger of awareness in a family of sleep walking sheep. As I stand in their midst shouting 'wake up' at the top of my lungs, no one is listening, and their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts. They all trust the government, the medical community and the religions. Of course they cannot budge me, but I guess I didn't anticipate this turn of events, although I should have. If any of you are experiencing similar issues, it would be helpful to know how you are coping with them... we need to support each other in every way we can in this.. it isn't easy, and will only be getting harder as this thing heats up...