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You give your opinion, the neurosurgeon gives theirs, the IME gives theirs (most likely an adverse opinion) and the WC attorney hashes it out in a hearing. The final say will be written in the Opinion and Order by the hearings officer. This is no small case ,given the long term consequences. Make sure they have a good attorney who actually has taken WC cases to a hearing.

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-----Original Message-----From: Dr. ph Medlin D.C. [mailto:deadmed@...]Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: IME

Hey folks, have an inquiry here about IME's. Haven't dealt with them very often. I had a WC case where the guy only worked there for a week or two and SAIF is ordering an IME to determine if the injury was actually caused at work (disc herniation) Anyway, both myself and the neuro-surgeon (who is performing surgery today) concluded that the injury was a direct cause of work activity. Now If the Godly IME disagrees, is that the opinion the insurer takes and we are left holding our "you know whats"?? thanks

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Has anyone undergone an " Independent Medical Exam " ? Any tips for

survival, any tricks you encountered? This is to be at least 7 sessions, plus 8

hours of paper and pencil testing. No, it's not against a drug company, and not

specifically drug related, just what caused me to need the drugs in the first

place.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Get a good Doctor or Psychologist first. Know who you are going to go to and

know their views on psychiatry and psychology and true solutions that do not

require drugs. They need to understand the real problems with medications

and have the ability to see what the underlying cause for your travail is,

not the BS line that it's some chemical imbalance or genetic cause. More

likely it's your enviorment or a allergy or some nutritional handling, but

you want a real doctor to help you with that.

www.alternativementalhealth.com Has doctors that get people off psych drugs

and many can handle all the other thousands of real reasons that could have

got you on the drugs.

Dr. Breeding is a Psychologist and knows more like minded professionals

who may be close to your area.

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Best,

Jim

Has anyone undergone an " Independent Medical Exam " ? Any tips for

survival, any tricks you encountered? This is to be at least 7 sessions,

plus 8

hours of paper and pencil testing. No, it's not against a drug company, and

not

specifically drug related, just what caused me to need the drugs in the

first

place.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Get a good Doctor or Psychologist first. Know who you are going to go to and

know their views on psychiatry and psychology and true solutions that do not

require drugs. They need to understand the real problems with medications

and have the ability to see what the underlying cause for your travail is,

not the BS line that it's some chemical imbalance or genetic cause. More

likely it's your enviorment or a allergy or some nutritional handling, but

you want a real doctor to help you with that.

www.alternativementalhealth.com Has doctors that get people off psych drugs

and many can handle all the other thousands of real reasons that could have

got you on the drugs.

Dr. Breeding is a Psychologist and knows more like minded professionals

who may be close to your area.

www.wildestcolts.com

Best,

Jim

Has anyone undergone an " Independent Medical Exam " ? Any tips for

survival, any tricks you encountered? This is to be at least 7 sessions,

plus 8

hours of paper and pencil testing. No, it's not against a drug company, and

not

specifically drug related, just what caused me to need the drugs in the

first

place.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Get a good Doctor or Psychologist first. Know who you are going to go to and

know their views on psychiatry and psychology and true solutions that do not

require drugs. They need to understand the real problems with medications

and have the ability to see what the underlying cause for your travail is,

not the BS line that it's some chemical imbalance or genetic cause. More

likely it's your enviorment or a allergy or some nutritional handling, but

you want a real doctor to help you with that.

www.alternativementalhealth.com Has doctors that get people off psych drugs

and many can handle all the other thousands of real reasons that could have

got you on the drugs.

Dr. Breeding is a Psychologist and knows more like minded professionals

who may be close to your area.

www.wildestcolts.com

Best,

Jim

Has anyone undergone an " Independent Medical Exam " ? Any tips for

survival, any tricks you encountered? This is to be at least 7 sessions,

plus 8

hours of paper and pencil testing. No, it's not against a drug company, and

not

specifically drug related, just what caused me to need the drugs in the

first

place.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Get a good Doctor or Psychologist first. Know who you are going to go to and

know their views on psychiatry and psychology and true solutions that do not

require drugs. They need to understand the real problems with medications

and have the ability to see what the underlying cause for your travail is,

not the BS line that it's some chemical imbalance or genetic cause. More

likely it's your enviorment or a allergy or some nutritional handling, but

you want a real doctor to help you with that.

www.alternativementalhealth.com Has doctors that get people off psych drugs

and many can handle all the other thousands of real reasons that could have

got you on the drugs.

Dr. Breeding is a Psychologist and knows more like minded professionals

who may be close to your area.

www.wildestcolts.com

Best,

Jim

Has anyone undergone an " Independent Medical Exam " ? Any tips for

survival, any tricks you encountered? This is to be at least 7 sessions,

plus 8

hours of paper and pencil testing. No, it's not against a drug company, and

not

specifically drug related, just what caused me to need the drugs in the

first

place.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi Folks,

I must report there have been incidents where I have never received the IME report from the PIP insurance companies. The patient has had to bring their copy to me, but repeated requests to the insurers has not resulted in what I thought was their legal responsibility of informing the treating doc.

Christian Mathisen, DC

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3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, 97501

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Dr. Mathiesen, OR DCs,

I don’t think there is a “legal

responsibility” for the PIP carrier to provide an IME repot to the

attending DC (such as there is in Oregon W/C). It is however a very good idea

from a consumer protection point of view, not to mention from a professional

courtesy perspective.

Any chance this could be on the CAO legislative

agenda, Vern?

A. Simpson, DC

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christian Mathisen

Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006

8:23 AM

Subject: RE: IME

Hi Folks,

I must report there have been incidents where I have never

received the IME report from the PIP insurance companies. The patient has had

to bring their copy to me, but repeated requests to the insurers has not

resulted in what I thought was their legal responsibility of informing the

treating doc.

Christian Mathisen, DC

cmathdc@...

3650 S Pacific

Hwy

Medford, 97501

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I think there's a new OBCE administrative rule that requires the IME doctor to provide a copy of the IME report to the attending physician "upon proper authorization" (i.e. medical release authorization). The rule obviously puts a little more burden on the IME doc, but I think the rule is written that way, because the OBCE does not have jurisdiction over third-party payors. I know the administrative rules committee was working on that rule for a year or so, but I can't put my finger on it at this moment, and I can't positively confirm whether it has been officially adopted. Perhaps another member of the committee or Mr. Mcteague could clear that up. G. , Gatti et. al.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Chuck Simpson, DCSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:33 AMChristian Mathisen; Subject: RE: RE: IME

Dr. Mathiesen, OR DCs,

I don’t think there is a “legal responsibility” for the PIP carrier to provide an IME repot to the attending DC (such as there is in Oregon W/C). It is however a very good idea from a consumer protection point of view, not to mention from a professional courtesy perspective.

Any chance this could be on the CAO legislative agenda, Vern?

A. Simpson, DC

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christian MathisenSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: RE: IME

Hi Folks,

I must report there have been incidents where I have never received the IME report from the PIP insurance companies. The patient has had to bring their copy to me, but repeated requests to the insurers has not resulted in what I thought was their legal responsibility of informing the treating doc.

Christian Mathisen, DC

cmathdc@...

3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, 97501

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OR DCs, Mike, et al,

This form Dave McT of the OBCE...

A. Simpson, DC

RE: IME

Hi Folks,

I must report there have been incidents where I have never received the

IME report from the PIP insurance companies. The patient has had to

bring their copy to me, but repeated requests to the insurers has not

resulted in what I thought was their legal responsibility of informing

the treating doc.

Christian Mathisen, DC

cmathdc@...

3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, 97501

OregonDCs rules:

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In a message dated 2/8/2006 7:15:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, vsaboe@... writes:

requires IME doctors to perform a functional chiropractic examination

What tests are on a functional chiropractic exam?

Anglen

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Well , it's part of the current "Clinical Justification Rule" as is language that requires IME doctors to perform a functional chiropractic examination not just the standard ortho/neuro test which are rarely "positive/present."

.....go figure!

Vern Saboe

RE: RE: IME

I think there's a new OBCE administrative rule that requires the IME doctor to provide a copy of the IME report to the attending physician "upon proper authorization" (i.e. medical release authorization). The rule obviously puts a little more burden on the IME doc, but I think the rule is written that way, because the OBCE does not have jurisdiction over third-party payors. I know the administrative rules committee was working on that rule for a year or so, but I can't put my finger on it at this moment, and I can't positively confirm whether it has been officially adopted. Perhaps another member of the committee or Mr. Mcteague could clear that up. G. , Gatti et. al.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Chuck Simpson, DCSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:33 AMChristian Mathisen; Subject: RE: RE: IME

Dr. Mathiesen, OR DCs,

I don’t think there is a “legal responsibility” for the PIP carrier to provide an IME repot to the attending DC (such as there is in Oregon W/C). It is however a very good idea from a consumer protection point of view, not to mention from a professional courtesy perspective.

Any chance this could be on the CAO legislative agenda, Vern?

A. Simpson, DC

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christian MathisenSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: RE: IME

Hi Folks,

I must report there have been incidents where I have never received the IME report from the PIP insurance companies. The patient has had to bring their copy to me, but repeated requests to the insurers has not resulted in what I thought was their legal responsibility of informing the treating doc.

Christian Mathisen, DC

cmathdc@...

3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, 97501

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The term 'IME' as in 'Independent Medical Exam' is incorrect and

completely false.

A better term is 'DME' as in 'Defense Medical Exam' or if 'IME' is to

be used the 'Insurance Medical Exam' is a more appropriate term.

, DC, DABCO, LLC

>

> As a former auto claims adjuster, I'd say the PIP IME is designed to

> achieve one goal: give the insurance company a justification for

> terminating benefits. Just in the last few weeks I've heard

through the

> vine of at least one insurance company putting certain IME docs on

the

> " bad boy list " --doctors who are no longer welcome to perform IME's

on

> insureds of this particular company, because they too often find

> treatment to be both reasonable and necessary as well as causally

> related to the injury-producing event. In the case at hand, it may

be

> that the at-fault carrier communicated " off the record " with the PIP

> carrier and notified it that it was going to contest all treatment,

and

> it may be that the PIP carrier still wants an IME to simply have a

piece

> of paper that terminates care as of the last date the insurance

company

> paid for care. Just my two cents. G. , Gatti, Gatti,

et.

> al.

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: [mailto: ]

On

> Behalf Of Chuck Simpson, DC

> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:02 AM

> bingonis@...;

> Subject: RE: [OregonDCs] IME

>

>

>

> and OR DCs,

>

> The legal beagles on the list may want to chime in here...

>

> but in my experience with so-called PIP IMEs (those IMEs called for

by

> the patient's own insurance company-not by an adverse party), the

issue

> is one of the PIP carrier wanting a second opinion on causation,

medical

> necessity, etc., for exactly the purpose that the claims examiner

> indicated to you...the PIP carrier wants additional ammo when going

into

> negotiations with the responsible party's insurance company.

>

> A. Simpson, DC

>

> Vice President, Medical Director

>

> Complementary Healthcare Plans

>

> 6600 SW 105th Avenue, Suite 115

>

> Beaverton, OR 97008

>

> 503-619-2041

>

> csimpson@... <mailto:csimpson@...>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: [mailto: ]

On

> Behalf Of bingonis@...

> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:15 PM

>

> Subject: [OregonDCs] IME

>

>

> A patient contacted me today after speaking with her insurance

company

> (Amer. Family) about her upcoming scheduled IME. She told her claims

> adjuster that she was planning to discontinue care in a couple

weeks and

> would they consider calling off the IME dogs. The claims adjuster

was

> very pleased to hear that she was discontinuing her care...

>

> She was put on hold and when the adjuster returned she told my

patient

> that she should go to the IME because it might help her settlement

> against the adverse (State Farm). When she told the adjuster that

she

> was not interested in a settlement, the adjuster told her that she

> should go to the IME to help them (Amer. Family) get their

settlement

> from State Farm...

>

> Is this just a tactic to get my patient to attend her IME?

>

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