Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I wonder how the doctors established she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain. Since there are serotonin receptors in other parts of the body, including the intestines, did she have low levels there too, one wonders? For the most part, those put on these SSRI drugs have never had any kind of chemical testing of the brain. If my cardiologist operated the way shrinks do, he would be sacked. gertie 'Seroxat saved my life' u see they have tests " Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. " A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. 'Seroxat saved my life' Emma Wallace says the drug worked for her The government's Committee on the Safety of Medicines has launched an inquiry into anti-depressant drugs such as Seroxat and Prozac following claims by patients that they had become hooked on the pills, or felt suicidal after taking them. Health Minister Hazel Blears revealed last week that between 2000 and 2002, the Department of Health's Yellow Card scheme had received eight reports of suicides and more than 1,000 reports of adverse reactions among patients who had taken Seroxat. However, the drug has been taken successfully by many thousands of people world-wide. BBC News Online's Jane Elliott spoke to one woman who believes the drug saved her life. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Emma Wallace is a bubbly, vivacious cellist. She is newly-wed and has a lovely home and a job she adores with the London Symphony Orchestra. To an impartial observer she looks to have the perfect life. But scratch the surface and the hidden problems soon become apparent. Depressed For until a year ago Emma was a chronic self-harmer. She needed hospital treatment three times after cutting herself deeply and her body still bears the scars. She has contemplated suicide and told her family she was ready to die. I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and razor blades. Emma Wallace Emma, 38, suffers from chronic insomnia and has spent most of life unable to sleep. She is a depressive after being badly abused by a babysitter as a child. But a year ago she found her salvation - the controversial antidepressant pill Seroxat. She and now wants to speak out because she feels that drug has received such a bad press that some people are not taking it. The drug has been linked to withdrawal problems, suicide and self- harm. But to Emma the drug has been a godsend. " I was very low. I could not answer the telephone to anyone I could not even talk to family. " I just had no confidence. " I used to self harm. I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and razor blades. I started doing this when I was 11 and it continued until I was 28. Sleep But then Emma was referred to the sleep disorders centre at St 's Hospital, in South London. Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. She was prescribed Seroxat to boost the serotonin levels and says she noticed a mood change immediately. " Within three weeks of taking it I was feeling like a different person. I suddenly wanted to get out of bed. " When I was playing the cello I used to think everyone was looking at me and waiting for me to make a mistake, but now I sit there and think that I am good at what I do. " When the doctor asked me how I had found the drug I told him that for my whole life I had been living in a prison and that he had opened the gates. " Nobody understood what it was like they couldn't see behind the great glittering career, the wonderful husband and the brilliant house. " Life She said that at first she had been reluctant to take the anti- depressants because of the stigma attached, but said that she was glad she had persevered. " I feel people are missing the chance to change their lives. I was in a pretty bad way a couple of years ago and it has changed my life. " Since I have taken Seroxat I have realised that I am this bubbly person that everybody loves. I have this chemical imbalance. " I have always had it and I will always take Seroxat. " But others fear the influence of the drug. A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. " Unfortunately there are an unacceptable number of patients who are suffering because they have taken Seroxat, finding themselves addicted to the drug and not infrequently overcome by suicidal ideation, resulting in the loss of life. " The Seroxat Users Group is deeply concerned about the safety of Seroxat and is calling on the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to withdraw any new prescriptions of Seroxat until the review into its safety is complete. " World Health Organisation statistics show that Seroxat has more reports of withdrawal difficulties and adverse reactions than any other prescribed drug, with twice as many reports as the next highest drug. The benzodiazepine Valium ranks 13th. " There is an urgent need for independent research into the long-term effects of Seroxat, special facilities equipped to assist patient's during withdrawal, and amendment of patient and prescriber information to reflect the dangers of treatment with Seroxat. " Maker's response A spokesperson for GlaxoKline, which makes the drug, said: " Depression is a potentially deadly disease and Seroxat is an effective treatment that since launch has helped tens of millions of patients worldwide lead fuller and more productive lives. " The majority of people do not get side effects on either taking Seroxat or on stopping. " But some people do and we have been advising patients and doctors on what to expect, when taking or stopping treatment for many years. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2932736.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I wonder how the doctors established she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain. Since there are serotonin receptors in other parts of the body, including the intestines, did she have low levels there too, one wonders? For the most part, those put on these SSRI drugs have never had any kind of chemical testing of the brain. If my cardiologist operated the way shrinks do, he would be sacked. gertie 'Seroxat saved my life' u see they have tests " Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. " A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. 'Seroxat saved my life' Emma Wallace says the drug worked for her The government's Committee on the Safety of Medicines has launched an inquiry into anti-depressant drugs such as Seroxat and Prozac following claims by patients that they had become hooked on the pills, or felt suicidal after taking them. Health Minister Hazel Blears revealed last week that between 2000 and 2002, the Department of Health's Yellow Card scheme had received eight reports of suicides and more than 1,000 reports of adverse reactions among patients who had taken Seroxat. However, the drug has been taken successfully by many thousands of people world-wide. BBC News Online's Jane Elliott spoke to one woman who believes the drug saved her life. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Emma Wallace is a bubbly, vivacious cellist. She is newly-wed and has a lovely home and a job she adores with the London Symphony Orchestra. To an impartial observer she looks to have the perfect life. But scratch the surface and the hidden problems soon become apparent. Depressed For until a year ago Emma was a chronic self-harmer. She needed hospital treatment three times after cutting herself deeply and her body still bears the scars. She has contemplated suicide and told her family she was ready to die. I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and razor blades. Emma Wallace Emma, 38, suffers from chronic insomnia and has spent most of life unable to sleep. She is a depressive after being badly abused by a babysitter as a child. But a year ago she found her salvation - the controversial antidepressant pill Seroxat. She and now wants to speak out because she feels that drug has received such a bad press that some people are not taking it. The drug has been linked to withdrawal problems, suicide and self- harm. But to Emma the drug has been a godsend. " I was very low. I could not answer the telephone to anyone I could not even talk to family. " I just had no confidence. " I used to self harm. I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and razor blades. I started doing this when I was 11 and it continued until I was 28. Sleep But then Emma was referred to the sleep disorders centre at St 's Hospital, in South London. Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. She was prescribed Seroxat to boost the serotonin levels and says she noticed a mood change immediately. " Within three weeks of taking it I was feeling like a different person. I suddenly wanted to get out of bed. " When I was playing the cello I used to think everyone was looking at me and waiting for me to make a mistake, but now I sit there and think that I am good at what I do. " When the doctor asked me how I had found the drug I told him that for my whole life I had been living in a prison and that he had opened the gates. " Nobody understood what it was like they couldn't see behind the great glittering career, the wonderful husband and the brilliant house. " Life She said that at first she had been reluctant to take the anti- depressants because of the stigma attached, but said that she was glad she had persevered. " I feel people are missing the chance to change their lives. I was in a pretty bad way a couple of years ago and it has changed my life. " Since I have taken Seroxat I have realised that I am this bubbly person that everybody loves. I have this chemical imbalance. " I have always had it and I will always take Seroxat. " But others fear the influence of the drug. A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. " Unfortunately there are an unacceptable number of patients who are suffering because they have taken Seroxat, finding themselves addicted to the drug and not infrequently overcome by suicidal ideation, resulting in the loss of life. " The Seroxat Users Group is deeply concerned about the safety of Seroxat and is calling on the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to withdraw any new prescriptions of Seroxat until the review into its safety is complete. " World Health Organisation statistics show that Seroxat has more reports of withdrawal difficulties and adverse reactions than any other prescribed drug, with twice as many reports as the next highest drug. The benzodiazepine Valium ranks 13th. " There is an urgent need for independent research into the long-term effects of Seroxat, special facilities equipped to assist patient's during withdrawal, and amendment of patient and prescriber information to reflect the dangers of treatment with Seroxat. " Maker's response A spokesperson for GlaxoKline, which makes the drug, said: " Depression is a potentially deadly disease and Seroxat is an effective treatment that since launch has helped tens of millions of patients worldwide lead fuller and more productive lives. " The majority of people do not get side effects on either taking Seroxat or on stopping. " But some people do and we have been advising patients and doctors on what to expect, when taking or stopping treatment for many years. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2932736.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Good comments Gertie!!!! And this is exactly what Mind Freedom.org " proved " last fall (about not being able to determine serotonin levels in the brain to justify SSRI prescriptions), which then led to the February FDA investigations, which led to the further investigations on September 12 and 13, and which led to the September 24 resolutions of " black box warnings " . One will always find someone who thinks an SSRI " saved their life " . They wanted a quick fix rather than ackowledge that their body was screaming for nutrition and therefore they need to repair their bodies at the cellular level through nutritional supplementation. That takes a bit longer, kinda like healing a broken leg. So they get their quick fix and walk around like drugged zombies. They experience side-effects and get convinced from psycho-babble that another drug is needed to treat more of the " underlying depression issues " that aren't totally being taken care of with the first SSRI - drug, when in fact they are experiencing side-effects. So now enters another drug and they become really drugged .... until someone " reaches " them and they try to withdraw. Withdrawal takes courage and a strong belief that the drugs were really causing them harm, and that nutritional supplementation is the answer to healing what their bodies were screaming for in the first place and now healing what is/was cellular damage. If they can't muster the courage and belief ... well they go back to the SSRI's because that zombie feeling feels better than withdrawal and they discount those awful side-effects. But they don't comprehend that the body is saying to stop swallowing that stuff when it signals symptoms of dangerous side-effects ... because they are too zombified to comprehend the signals. Perhaps they bought into the psycho-babble, perhaps they are addicted to that zombie feeling, perhaps they don't want to go through appropriate and slow withdrawal to become whole and healthy again .... because it won't happen overnight ,and remember-- they wanted a pill to fix them " right now " . Which is better a fix or a cure/healing??? Guess it depends on who you ask and what mindset they are in at the time. Who do you want to spend your time and energy on when delivering the truth? Those who are receptive .... or those who just want to be " right and win " , whether they are right or not??? Just me....... Jan Encourage One Another ===================================== .. On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:08:20 -0400 " cateh " <ccsh@...> writes: I wonder how the doctors established she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain. Since there are serotonin receptors in other parts of the body, including the intestines, did she have low levels there too, one wonders? For the most part, those put on these SSRI drugs have never had any kind of chemical testing of the brain. If my cardiologist operated the way shrinks do, he would be sacked. gertie ============================ 'Seroxat saved my life' u see they have tests " Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. " A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. 'Seroxat saved my life' Emma Wallace says the drug worked for her The government's Committee on the Safety of Medicines has launched an inquiry into anti-depressant drugs such as Seroxat and Prozac following claims by patients that they had become hooked on the pills, or felt suicidal after taking them. Health Minister Hazel Blears revealed last week that between 2000 and 2002, the Department of Health's Yellow Card scheme had received eight reports of suicides and more than 1,000 reports of adverse reactions among patients who had taken Seroxat. However, the drug has been taken successfully by many thousands of people world-wide. BBC News Online's Jane Elliott spoke to one woman who believes the drug saved her life. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Emma Wallace is a bubbly, vivacious cellist. She is newly-wed and has a lovely home and a job she adores with the London Symphony Orchestra. To an impartial observer she looks to have the perfect life. But scratch the surface and the hidden problems soon become apparent. Depressed For until a year ago Emma was a chronic self-harmer. She needed hospital treatment three times after cutting herself deeply and her body still bears the scars. She has contemplated suicide and told her family she was ready to die. I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and razor blades. Emma Wallace Emma, 38, suffers from chronic insomnia and has spent most of life unable to sleep. She is a depressive after being badly abused by a babysitter as a child. But a year ago she found her salvation - the controversial antidepressant pill Seroxat. She and now wants to speak out because she feels that drug has received such a bad press that some people are not taking it. The drug has been linked to withdrawal problems, suicide and self- harm. But to Emma the drug has been a godsend. " I was very low. I could not answer the telephone to anyone I could not even talk to family. " I just had no confidence. " I used to self harm. I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and razor blades. I started doing this when I was 11 and it continued until I was 28. Sleep But then Emma was referred to the sleep disorders centre at St 's Hospital, in South London. Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. She was prescribed Seroxat to boost the serotonin levels and says she noticed a mood change immediately. " Within three weeks of taking it I was feeling like a different person. I suddenly wanted to get out of bed. " When I was playing the cello I used to think everyone was looking at me and waiting for me to make a mistake, but now I sit there and think that I am good at what I do. " When the doctor asked me how I had found the drug I told him that for my whole life I had been living in a prison and that he had opened the gates. " Nobody understood what it was like they couldn't see behind the great glittering career, the wonderful husband and the brilliant house. " Life She said that at first she had been reluctant to take the anti- depressants because of the stigma attached, but said that she was glad she had persevered. " I feel people are missing the chance to change their lives. I was in a pretty bad way a couple of years ago and it has changed my life. " Since I have taken Seroxat I have realised that I am this bubbly person that everybody loves. I have this chemical imbalance. " I have always had it and I will always take Seroxat. " But others fear the influence of the drug. A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. " Unfortunately there are an unacceptable number of patients who are suffering because they have taken Seroxat, finding themselves addicted to the drug and not infrequently overcome by suicidal ideation, resulting in the loss of life. " The Seroxat Users Group is deeply concerned about the safety of Seroxat and is calling on the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to withdraw any new prescriptions of Seroxat until the review into its safety is complete. " World Health Organisation statistics show that Seroxat has more reports of withdrawal difficulties and adverse reactions than any other prescribed drug, with twice as many reports as the next highest drug. The benzodiazepine Valium ranks 13th. " There is an urgent need for independent research into the long-term effects of Seroxat, special facilities equipped to assist patient's during withdrawal, and amendment of patient and prescriber information to reflect the dangers of treatment with Seroxat. " Maker's response A spokesperson for GlaxoKline, which makes the drug, said: " Depression is a potentially deadly disease and Seroxat is an effective treatment that since launch has helped tens of millions of patients worldwide lead fuller and more productive lives. " The majority of people do not get side effects on either taking Seroxat or on stopping. " But some people do and we have been advising patients and doctors on what to expect, when taking or stopping treatment for many years. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2932736.stm =========== =========== .. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Zombie?? I wish my son had been a zombie instead of the raging, violent, destructive, psychotic mad man he was when he was on Celexa. These people probably have hypomania -- generally thought to be a pleasant experience. When he was taking an SSRI we were frantically looking for a drug that would make him into a zombie. Then I learned that removing the SSRI was all we had to do. > > Good comments Gertie!!!! > > And this is exactly what Mind Freedom.org " proved " last fall (about not > being able to determine serotonin levels in the brain to justify SSRI > prescriptions), which then led to the February FDA investigations, which > led to the further investigations on September 12 and 13, and which led > to the September 24 resolutions of " black box warnings " . > > One will always find someone who thinks an SSRI " saved their life " . They > wanted a quick fix rather than ackowledge that their body was screaming > for nutrition and therefore they need to repair their bodies at the > cellular level through nutritional supplementation. That takes a bit > longer, kinda like healing a broken leg. > > So they get their quick fix and walk around like drugged zombies. They > experience side-effects and get convinced from psycho-babble that another > drug is needed to treat more of the " underlying depression issues " that > aren't totally being taken care of with the first SSRI - drug, when in > fact they are experiencing side-effects. So now enters another drug and > they become really drugged .... until someone " reaches " them and they try > to withdraw. Withdrawal takes courage and a strong belief that the drugs > were really causing them harm, and that nutritional supplementation is > the answer to healing what their bodies were screaming for in the first > place and now healing what is/was cellular damage. > > If they can't muster the courage and belief ... well they go back to the > SSRI's because that zombie feeling feels better than withdrawal and they > discount those awful side-effects. But they don't comprehend that the > body is saying to stop swallowing that stuff when it signals symptoms of > dangerous side-effects ... because they are too zombified to comprehend > the signals. Perhaps they bought into the psycho-babble, perhaps they > are addicted to that zombie feeling, perhaps they don't want to go > through appropriate and slow withdrawal to become whole and healthy again > ... because it won't happen overnight ,and remember-- they wanted a pill > to fix them " right now " . > > Which is better a fix or a cure/healing??? Guess it depends on who you > ask and what mindset they are in at the time. > > Who do you want to spend your time and energy on when delivering the > truth? Those who are receptive .... or those who just want to be " right > and win " , whether they are right or not??? > > Just me....... Jan > Encourage One Another > ===================================== > . > On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:08:20 -0400 " cateh " <ccsh@e...> writes: > I wonder how the doctors established she had very low levels of serotonin > in her brain. Since there are serotonin receptors in other parts of the > body, including the intestines, did she have low levels there too, one > wonders? For the most part, those put on these SSRI drugs have never had > any kind of chemical testing of the brain. If my cardiologist operated > the way shrinks do, he would be sacked. gertie > ============================ > > 'Seroxat saved my life' > > u see they have tests > > " Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in > her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. " > > A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: > > " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many > patients. > > > 'Seroxat saved my life' > > > Emma Wallace says the drug worked for her > The government's Committee on the Safety of Medicines has launched > an inquiry into anti-depressant drugs such as Seroxat and Prozac > following claims by patients that they had become hooked on the > pills, or felt suicidal after taking them. > Health Minister Hazel Blears revealed last week that between 2000 > and 2002, the Department of Health's Yellow Card scheme had received > eight reports of suicides and more than 1,000 reports of adverse > reactions among patients who had taken Seroxat. > > However, the drug has been taken successfully by many thousands of > people world-wide. BBC News Online's Jane Elliott spoke to one woman > who believes the drug saved her life. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Emma Wallace is a bubbly, vivacious cellist. > She is newly-wed and has a lovely home and a job she adores with the > London Symphony Orchestra. > > To an impartial observer she looks to have the perfect life. > > But scratch the surface and the hidden problems soon become > apparent. > > Depressed > > For until a year ago Emma was a chronic self-harmer. She needed > hospital treatment three times after cutting herself deeply and her > body still bears the scars. > > She has contemplated suicide and told her family she was ready to > die. > > I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and > razor blades. > > Emma Wallace > > Emma, 38, suffers from chronic insomnia and has spent most of life > unable to sleep. > > She is a depressive after being badly abused by a babysitter as a > child. > > But a year ago she found her salvation - the controversial > antidepressant pill Seroxat. She and now wants to speak out because > she feels that drug has received such a bad press that some people > are not taking it. > > The drug has been linked to withdrawal problems, suicide and self- > harm. > > But to Emma the drug has been a godsend. > > " I was very low. I could not answer the telephone to anyone I could > not even talk to family. > > " I just had no confidence. > > " I used to self harm. I have hideous scars where I used to cut > myself with knives and razor blades. I started doing this when I was > 11 and it continued until I was 28. > > Sleep > > But then Emma was referred to the sleep disorders centre at St > 's Hospital, in South London. > > Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her > brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. > > She was prescribed Seroxat to boost the serotonin levels and says > she noticed a mood change immediately. > > " Within three weeks of taking it I was feeling like a different > person. I suddenly wanted to get out of bed. > > " When I was playing the cello I used to think everyone was looking > at me and waiting for me to make a mistake, but now I sit there and > think that I am good at what I do. > > " When the doctor asked me how I had found the drug I told him that > for my whole life I had been living in a prison and that he had > opened the gates. > > " Nobody understood what it was like they couldn't see behind the > great glittering career, the wonderful husband and the brilliant > house. " > > Life > > She said that at first she had been reluctant to take the anti- > depressants because of the stigma attached, but said that she was > glad she had persevered. > > " I feel people are missing the chance to change their lives. I was > in a pretty bad way a couple of years ago and it has changed my > life. > > " Since I have taken Seroxat I have realised that I am this bubbly > person that everybody loves. I have this chemical imbalance. > > " I have always had it and I will always take Seroxat. " > > But others fear the influence of the drug. > > A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that > treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. > > " Unfortunately there are an unacceptable number of patients who are > suffering because they have taken Seroxat, finding themselves > addicted to the drug and not infrequently overcome by suicidal > ideation, resulting in the loss of life. > > " The Seroxat Users Group is deeply concerned about the safety of > Seroxat and is calling on the Medicines and Healthcare products > Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to withdraw any new prescriptions of > Seroxat until the review into its safety is complete. > > " World Health Organisation statistics show that Seroxat has more > reports of withdrawal difficulties and adverse reactions than any > other prescribed drug, with twice as many reports as the next > highest drug. The benzodiazepine Valium ranks 13th. > > " There is an urgent need for independent research into the long-term > effects of Seroxat, special facilities equipped to assist patient's > during withdrawal, and amendment of patient and prescriber > information to reflect the dangers of treatment with Seroxat. " > > Maker's response > > A spokesperson for GlaxoKline, which makes the drug, > said: " Depression is a potentially deadly disease and Seroxat is an > effective treatment that since launch has helped tens of millions of > patients worldwide lead fuller and more productive lives. > > " The majority of people do not get side effects on either taking > Seroxat or on stopping. > > " But some people do and we have been advising patients and doctors > on what to expect, when taking or stopping treatment for many > years. " > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2932736.stm > > =========== > =========== > . > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Zombie?? I wish my son had been a zombie instead of the raging, violent, destructive, psychotic mad man he was when he was on Celexa. These people probably have hypomania -- generally thought to be a pleasant experience. When he was taking an SSRI we were frantically looking for a drug that would make him into a zombie. Then I learned that removing the SSRI was all we had to do. > > Good comments Gertie!!!! > > And this is exactly what Mind Freedom.org " proved " last fall (about not > being able to determine serotonin levels in the brain to justify SSRI > prescriptions), which then led to the February FDA investigations, which > led to the further investigations on September 12 and 13, and which led > to the September 24 resolutions of " black box warnings " . > > One will always find someone who thinks an SSRI " saved their life " . They > wanted a quick fix rather than ackowledge that their body was screaming > for nutrition and therefore they need to repair their bodies at the > cellular level through nutritional supplementation. That takes a bit > longer, kinda like healing a broken leg. > > So they get their quick fix and walk around like drugged zombies. They > experience side-effects and get convinced from psycho-babble that another > drug is needed to treat more of the " underlying depression issues " that > aren't totally being taken care of with the first SSRI - drug, when in > fact they are experiencing side-effects. So now enters another drug and > they become really drugged .... until someone " reaches " them and they try > to withdraw. Withdrawal takes courage and a strong belief that the drugs > were really causing them harm, and that nutritional supplementation is > the answer to healing what their bodies were screaming for in the first > place and now healing what is/was cellular damage. > > If they can't muster the courage and belief ... well they go back to the > SSRI's because that zombie feeling feels better than withdrawal and they > discount those awful side-effects. But they don't comprehend that the > body is saying to stop swallowing that stuff when it signals symptoms of > dangerous side-effects ... because they are too zombified to comprehend > the signals. Perhaps they bought into the psycho-babble, perhaps they > are addicted to that zombie feeling, perhaps they don't want to go > through appropriate and slow withdrawal to become whole and healthy again > ... because it won't happen overnight ,and remember-- they wanted a pill > to fix them " right now " . > > Which is better a fix or a cure/healing??? Guess it depends on who you > ask and what mindset they are in at the time. > > Who do you want to spend your time and energy on when delivering the > truth? Those who are receptive .... or those who just want to be " right > and win " , whether they are right or not??? > > Just me....... Jan > Encourage One Another > ===================================== > . > On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:08:20 -0400 " cateh " <ccsh@e...> writes: > I wonder how the doctors established she had very low levels of serotonin > in her brain. Since there are serotonin receptors in other parts of the > body, including the intestines, did she have low levels there too, one > wonders? For the most part, those put on these SSRI drugs have never had > any kind of chemical testing of the brain. If my cardiologist operated > the way shrinks do, he would be sacked. gertie > ============================ > > 'Seroxat saved my life' > > u see they have tests > > " Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in > her brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. " > > A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: > > " We acknowledge that treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many > patients. > > > 'Seroxat saved my life' > > > Emma Wallace says the drug worked for her > The government's Committee on the Safety of Medicines has launched > an inquiry into anti-depressant drugs such as Seroxat and Prozac > following claims by patients that they had become hooked on the > pills, or felt suicidal after taking them. > Health Minister Hazel Blears revealed last week that between 2000 > and 2002, the Department of Health's Yellow Card scheme had received > eight reports of suicides and more than 1,000 reports of adverse > reactions among patients who had taken Seroxat. > > However, the drug has been taken successfully by many thousands of > people world-wide. BBC News Online's Jane Elliott spoke to one woman > who believes the drug saved her life. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Emma Wallace is a bubbly, vivacious cellist. > She is newly-wed and has a lovely home and a job she adores with the > London Symphony Orchestra. > > To an impartial observer she looks to have the perfect life. > > But scratch the surface and the hidden problems soon become > apparent. > > Depressed > > For until a year ago Emma was a chronic self-harmer. She needed > hospital treatment three times after cutting herself deeply and her > body still bears the scars. > > She has contemplated suicide and told her family she was ready to > die. > > I have hideous scars where I used to cut myself with knives and > razor blades. > > Emma Wallace > > Emma, 38, suffers from chronic insomnia and has spent most of life > unable to sleep. > > She is a depressive after being badly abused by a babysitter as a > child. > > But a year ago she found her salvation - the controversial > antidepressant pill Seroxat. She and now wants to speak out because > she feels that drug has received such a bad press that some people > are not taking it. > > The drug has been linked to withdrawal problems, suicide and self- > harm. > > But to Emma the drug has been a godsend. > > " I was very low. I could not answer the telephone to anyone I could > not even talk to family. > > " I just had no confidence. > > " I used to self harm. I have hideous scars where I used to cut > myself with knives and razor blades. I started doing this when I was > 11 and it continued until I was 28. > > Sleep > > But then Emma was referred to the sleep disorders centre at St > 's Hospital, in South London. > > Doctors established that she had very low levels of serotonin in her > brain, the chemical that enhances mood and promotes sleep. > > She was prescribed Seroxat to boost the serotonin levels and says > she noticed a mood change immediately. > > " Within three weeks of taking it I was feeling like a different > person. I suddenly wanted to get out of bed. > > " When I was playing the cello I used to think everyone was looking > at me and waiting for me to make a mistake, but now I sit there and > think that I am good at what I do. > > " When the doctor asked me how I had found the drug I told him that > for my whole life I had been living in a prison and that he had > opened the gates. > > " Nobody understood what it was like they couldn't see behind the > great glittering career, the wonderful husband and the brilliant > house. " > > Life > > She said that at first she had been reluctant to take the anti- > depressants because of the stigma attached, but said that she was > glad she had persevered. > > " I feel people are missing the chance to change their lives. I was > in a pretty bad way a couple of years ago and it has changed my > life. > > " Since I have taken Seroxat I have realised that I am this bubbly > person that everybody loves. I have this chemical imbalance. > > " I have always had it and I will always take Seroxat. " > > But others fear the influence of the drug. > > A spokeswoman for the Seroxat Users Group said: " We acknowledge that > treatment with Seroxat is beneficial to many patients. > > " Unfortunately there are an unacceptable number of patients who are > suffering because they have taken Seroxat, finding themselves > addicted to the drug and not infrequently overcome by suicidal > ideation, resulting in the loss of life. > > " The Seroxat Users Group is deeply concerned about the safety of > Seroxat and is calling on the Medicines and Healthcare products > Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to withdraw any new prescriptions of > Seroxat until the review into its safety is complete. > > " World Health Organisation statistics show that Seroxat has more > reports of withdrawal difficulties and adverse reactions than any > other prescribed drug, with twice as many reports as the next > highest drug. The benzodiazepine Valium ranks 13th. > > " There is an urgent need for independent research into the long-term > effects of Seroxat, special facilities equipped to assist patient's > during withdrawal, and amendment of patient and prescriber > information to reflect the dangers of treatment with Seroxat. " > > Maker's response > > A spokesperson for GlaxoKline, which makes the drug, > said: " Depression is a potentially deadly disease and Seroxat is an > effective treatment that since launch has helped tens of millions of > patients worldwide lead fuller and more productive lives. > > " The majority of people do not get side effects on either taking > Seroxat or on stopping. > > " But some people do and we have been advising patients and doctors > on what to expect, when taking or stopping treatment for many > years. " > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2932736.stm > > =========== > =========== > . > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 .. I'd like to clarify that zombie isn't meant as only a " lethargic physical " drugged state ... but can also be lethargy of a " rational thinking state " , which can result in either physical lethargy OR lethargy in the brain's thinking abilities which result in out-of-control behaviors, rages, violence, aggressiveness, psychotic episodes, etc. The reactions depend on how the body reacts to these toxic pills. Just me.... Jan P.S> Sara .. is it possible to change your settings to " wrap text " to avoid 3 and 4 lines between sentences of the text you are replying to? That would shorten the referenced text. Thanks! ==================================== .. On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:01:51 -0000 " Sara " <Sara_at_home911@...> writes: Zombie?? I wish my son had been a zombie instead of the raging, violent, destructive, psychotic mad man he was when he was on Celexa. These people probably have hypomania -- generally thought to be a pleasant experience. When he was taking an SSRI we were frantically looking for a drug that would make him into a zombie. Then I learned that removing the SSRI was all we had to do. ======== ======== .. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 .. I'd like to clarify that zombie isn't meant as only a " lethargic physical " drugged state ... but can also be lethargy of a " rational thinking state " , which can result in either physical lethargy OR lethargy in the brain's thinking abilities which result in out-of-control behaviors, rages, violence, aggressiveness, psychotic episodes, etc. The reactions depend on how the body reacts to these toxic pills. Just me.... Jan P.S> Sara .. is it possible to change your settings to " wrap text " to avoid 3 and 4 lines between sentences of the text you are replying to? That would shorten the referenced text. Thanks! ==================================== .. On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:01:51 -0000 " Sara " <Sara_at_home911@...> writes: Zombie?? I wish my son had been a zombie instead of the raging, violent, destructive, psychotic mad man he was when he was on Celexa. These people probably have hypomania -- generally thought to be a pleasant experience. When he was taking an SSRI we were frantically looking for a drug that would make him into a zombie. Then I learned that removing the SSRI was all we had to do. ======== ======== .. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Response to PS: I wish that solved the problem but I have always had " wrap text " checked off. Any other suggestions? I bothers me too. > . > I'd like to clarify that zombie isn't meant as only > a " lethargic physical " drugged state ... but can also > be lethargy of a " rational thinking state " , which can > result in either physical lethargy OR lethargy in the > brain's thinking abilities which result in out-of-control > behaviors, rages, violence, aggressiveness, psychotic > episodes, etc. The reactions depend on how the body > reacts to these toxic pills. > > Just me.... Jan > > P.S> Sara .. is it possible to change your settings to > " wrap text " to avoid 3 and 4 lines between sentences > of the text you are replying to? That would shorten > the referenced text. Thanks! > ==================================== > . > On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:01:51 -0000 " Sara " <Sara_at_home911@h...> > writes: > > Zombie?? I wish my son had been a zombie instead of the raging, > violent, destructive, psychotic mad man he was when he was on Celexa. > These people probably have hypomania -- generally thought to be a > pleasant experience. When he was taking an SSRI we were frantically > looking for a drug that would make him into a zombie. Then I learned > that removing the SSRI was all we had to do. > > ======== > ======== > . > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Response to PS: I wish that solved the problem but I have always had " wrap text " checked off. Any other suggestions? I bothers me too. > . > I'd like to clarify that zombie isn't meant as only > a " lethargic physical " drugged state ... but can also > be lethargy of a " rational thinking state " , which can > result in either physical lethargy OR lethargy in the > brain's thinking abilities which result in out-of-control > behaviors, rages, violence, aggressiveness, psychotic > episodes, etc. The reactions depend on how the body > reacts to these toxic pills. > > Just me.... Jan > > P.S> Sara .. is it possible to change your settings to > " wrap text " to avoid 3 and 4 lines between sentences > of the text you are replying to? That would shorten > the referenced text. Thanks! > ==================================== > . > On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:01:51 -0000 " Sara " <Sara_at_home911@h...> > writes: > > Zombie?? I wish my son had been a zombie instead of the raging, > violent, destructive, psychotic mad man he was when he was on Celexa. > These people probably have hypomania -- generally thought to be a > pleasant experience. When he was taking an SSRI we were frantically > looking for a drug that would make him into a zombie. Then I learned > that removing the SSRI was all we had to do. > > ======== > ======== > . > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 The last time he > went the Dr changed his Elavil to Lexapro he did not > do well so she added Seroquel. Due to side effects of Paxil, Seroquel and Triliptal was added. He was not sleeping so Trazadone was scripted. Paxil should have been removed, and the side effects would have not needed to be delt with. I took my son to a new therapist yesterday, This guy was wonderful. After hearing our story he looked at my son and said " You have been through hell " . He also said " I am not hear to analyze you, I am your sounding board. If you want to talk we will, if not we will listen to your music together " . My son left the office and said he was happy with this guy. Since this is court ordered therapy, wh realy have no choice, to it is good to find the right fix. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 The last time he > went the Dr changed his Elavil to Lexapro he did not > do well so she added Seroquel. Due to side effects of Paxil, Seroquel and Triliptal was added. He was not sleeping so Trazadone was scripted. Paxil should have been removed, and the side effects would have not needed to be delt with. I took my son to a new therapist yesterday, This guy was wonderful. After hearing our story he looked at my son and said " You have been through hell " . He also said " I am not hear to analyze you, I am your sounding board. If you want to talk we will, if not we will listen to your music together " . My son left the office and said he was happy with this guy. Since this is court ordered therapy, wh realy have no choice, to it is good to find the right fix. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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