Re: Airlines and Vaccine requirements

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/23/2009 8:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

cbsunshine@... writes:

FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was only

7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a blank

form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but what

about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a dog

who needs papers.

if they don't require each passenger's immunization record, I don't see how

they can require his. that is very strange. I have never heard of it

before.

Holly

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>

>

> In a message dated 2/23/2009 8:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> cbsunshine@... writes:

>

> FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> immunization records in order for him to fly.

I have never heard of this in my life. Airlines never required this

kind of info before. Maybe your freind is mistaken?

Katarina

[Guest guest]

I've flown with my children on Southwest many times and have never

been asked to produce ANY documents for them, vaccine record, birth

record, nothing. I'd call and ask to speak to a supervisor about the

matter. I don't beleive they can legally refuse to let your child fly

because of his vax status, especially if you're staying in the states

(does Southwest even fly internationally? I don't think the do.).

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:53 PM, cassandra alls <cbsunshine@...> wrote:

> A friend of mine just sent me this message:

>

> FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was only

> 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a blank

> form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but what

> about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a dog

> who needs papers.

>

> ###

>

> Any feedback?

>

> Casey

[Guest guest]

I flew with my son once when he was about a year and it was on Southwest. I

didnt bring his birth certificate and they were like well since there so little

they dont obviously have a photo ID so they need a birth certificate or shot

record because the shot record, according to them, is as good as a birth

certificate. I at first forgot I had it then I went OH wait I do have this

little business card size shot record card is this what you accept? She was like

yes thats it I said you mean to tell me this card that has NO OFFICIAL seal is

as good as a birth certificate? She was like yeah that will work or I would have

to pay for his seat because they cant prove he's not over 3 and needs to pay for

a seat. Its all stupid really just so they can get money out of you. If they do

make you pay for a seat you can get the money back with a birth certificate

shown after the fact BUT a birth certificate is better than a shot record in my

opinion.

From: mensrea320@... <mensrea320@...>

Subject: Re: Airlines and Vaccine requirements

Vaccinations

Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 9:18 PM

In a message dated 2/23/2009 8:59:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

cbsunshinemac (DOT) com writes:

FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was only

7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a blank

form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but what

about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a dog

who needs papers.

if they don't require each passenger's immunization record, I don't see how

they can require his. that is very strange. I have never heard of it

before.

Holly

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Wow, I wonder what's up there? I have always had my kiddo's birth

certificate with us, just in case, but I've never had to produce it.

Hm...

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Heidi Bussey <trtleduv96@...> wrote:

> I flew with my son once when he was about a year and it was on Southwest. I

> didnt bring his birth certificate and they were like well since there so

> little they dont obviously have a photo ID so they need a birth certificate

> or shot record because the shot record, according to them, is as good as a

> birth certificate.

[Guest guest]

At 01:53 AM 2/24/2009, you wrote:

>A friend of mine just sent me this message:

>

>FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

>immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was only

>7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a blank

>form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but what

>about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a dog

>who needs papers.

that is ludicrous.

You just book a flight - they told her this on the phone, email, in person?

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

ah - that makes more sense - as proof of age

Sheri

At 03:29 AM 2/24/2009, you wrote:

>I flew with my son once when he was about a year and it was on

>Southwest. I didnt bring his birth certificate and they were like

>well since there so little they dont obviously have a photo ID so

>they need a birth certificate or shot record because the shot

>record, according to them, is as good as a birth certificate. I at

>first forgot I had it then I went OH wait I do have this little

>business card size shot record card is this what you accept? She was

>like yes thats it I said you mean to tell me this card that has NO

>OFFICIAL seal is as good as a birth certificate? She was like yeah

>that will work or I would have to pay for his seat because they cant

>prove he's not over 3 and needs to pay for a seat. Its all stupid

>really just so they can get money out of you. If they do make you

>pay for a seat you can get the money back with a birth certificate

>shown after the fact BUT a birth certificate is better than a shot

>record in my opinion.

[Guest guest]

This is very strange. I've flown at least once a year with my kids across the

country, usually on Southwest, and never been asked for a shot record. We've

brought birth certificates just to prove they are under 2, but have never been

asked for anything else. There must be more to this story.

Bronwyn

Wife to Kurt since 5/02

Mom to:

Dorian (7/04)

Faith (2/06)

Quinn (4/08)

and my faithful steed Teo (4/91) since 9/95

[Guest guest]

I always thought they ask for this kind of proof kinda as a safeguard to make

sure one didn't nab an infant and fly off somewhere!

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Re: Airlines and Vaccine requirements

ah - that makes more sense - as proof of age

Sheri

At 03:29 AM 2/24/2009, you wrote:

>I flew with my son once when he was about a year and it was on

>Southwest. I didnt bring his birth certificate and they were like

>well since there so little they dont obviously have a photo ID so

>they need a birth certificate or shot record because the shot

>record, according to them, is as good as a birth certificate. I at

>first forgot I had it then I went OH wait I do have this little

>business card size shot record card is this what you accept? She was

>like yes thats it I said you mean to tell me this card that has NO

>OFFICIAL seal is as good as a birth certificate? She was like yeah

>that will work or I would have to pay for his seat because they cant

>prove he's not over 3 and needs to pay for a seat. Its all stupid

>really just so they can get money out of you. If they do make you

>pay for a seat you can get the money back with a birth certificate

>shown after the fact BUT a birth certificate is better than a shot

>record in my opinion.

[Guest guest]

Heidi, it's NOT the airlines trying to get money from you, it's not

anybody. I've heard that from passengers time & time again & it's sickening

to hear somebody think that way. As a ticket agent & gate agent for

Continental Airlines, I can tell you a rule exists for each passenger to

have positive photo identification, except in the case of a child who may

not need one, i.e. an infant. The airline needs a birth certificate to

prove that the child is yours & to satisfy TSA requirements also. If the

ticket agent doesn't check the birth certificate & TSA requests it, well

then you're in a pickle aren't you? It's shameful to think that anything an

airline representative tells you is only to satisfy their requirements;

there are many other entities that airlines answer to, TSA, airport

authorities, etc. While we may not ask for the birth certificate each &

every time, you certainly wouldn't want to be caught w/o it, would you? We

(airline airport agents) NEVER question a parent if their child appears to

be older than age 2, not 3 as you wrote, only to charge for a seat. It's

not hospitable to the passenger, it's inconvenient for us & you, & it's just

not necessary. Granted I'm answering not for Southwest Airlines but for

Continental, the rules don't change. The individual you spoke to may have

been mistaken, as several have mentioned.

Regards,

E. Tomlinson

[Guest guest]

that's crazy. i've flown with my daughter many times (several different

airlines) since she was

9 months and i was never asked anything at all, which is good b/c i never

thought to bring

any " id " for her! were they asking for shot records just for id? or do they

really want to know

vax status?

> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Heidi Bussey <trtleduv96@...> wrote:

> > I flew with my son once when he was about a year and it was on Southwest. I

> > didnt bring his birth certificate and they were like well since there so

> > little they dont obviously have a photo ID so they need a birth certificate

> > or shot record because the shot record, according to them, is as good as a

> > birth certificate.

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for sharing that .

Where are you a gate agent - I fly Continental some.

And I book many of my tour clients on Continental - you have so many

good connections to so many places I bring tours to.

In fact I'm on Continentals webpage right now booking 3 women from

Denver to Ireland for my Ireland tour ;-)

Sheri

At 09:28 PM 2/24/2009, you wrote:

>Heidi, it's NOT the airlines trying to get money from you, it's not

>anybody. I've heard that from passengers time & time again & it's sickening

>to hear somebody think that way. As a ticket agent & gate agent for

>Continental Airlines, I can tell you a rule exists for each passenger to

>have positive photo identification, except in the case of a child who may

>not need one, i.e. an infant. The airline needs a birth certificate to

>prove that the child is yours & to satisfy TSA requirements also. If the

>ticket agent doesn't check the birth certificate & TSA requests it, well

>then you're in a pickle aren't you? It's shameful to think that anything an

>airline representative tells you is only to satisfy their requirements;

>there are many other entities that airlines answer to, TSA, airport

>authorities, etc. While we may not ask for the birth certificate each &

>every time, you certainly wouldn't want to be caught w/o it, would you? We

>(airline airport agents) NEVER question a parent if their child appears to

>be older than age 2, not 3 as you wrote, only to charge for a seat. It's

>not hospitable to the passenger, it's inconvenient for us & you, & it's just

>not necessary. Granted I'm answering not for Southwest Airlines but for

>Continental, the rules don't change. The individual you spoke to may have

>been mistaken, as several have mentioned.

>

>Regards,

>

> E. Tomlinson

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm really surprised this post has not generated more responses. If

you think about it it's quite scary. What right does an airlines have

to ask about anyones vaccine status, or require a form from an MD. I

want to F/U on this post but don't know where to start.

>

> A friend of mine just sent me this message:

>

> FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was

only

> 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a

blank

> form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but what

> about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a

dog

> who needs papers.

>

> ###

>

> Any feedback?

>

> Casey

>

> Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> Holistic Moms Network

> AA County Natural Living Guide

> MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

>

[Guest guest]

I just posted this scenario on another group and was told that

airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth certificates as

proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

Peggy

> >

> > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> >

> > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> > immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was

> only

> > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a

> blank

> > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but

what

> > about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a

> dog

> > who needs papers.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > Any feedback?

> >

> > Casey

> >

> > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > Holistic Moms Network

> > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just posted this scenario on another group and was told that

airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth certificates as

proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

Peggy

> >

> > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> >

> > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> > immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was

> only

> > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a

> blank

> > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but

what

> > about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a

> dog

> > who needs papers.

> >

> > ###

> >

> > Any feedback?

> >

> > Casey

> >

> > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > Holistic Moms Network

> > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting -

I would use birth certificate and your own photo ID instead. I would

not want to contribute to the routine use of vaccine records, as that

acceptance would help such records to become a more widely accepted

policy. It's insidious how things can be blandly accepted by people

to the point where suddenly they've lost rights they didn't exercise

or know they had.

t

On Feb 27, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Peggy Rose wrote:

> I just posted this scenario on another group and was told that

> airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth certificates as

> proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

>

> Peggy

>

>

> > >

> > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > >

> > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> > > immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was

> > only

> > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a

> > blank

> > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but

> what

> > > about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a

> > dog

> > > who needs papers.

> > >

> > > ###

> > >

> > > Any feedback?

> > >

> > > Casey

> > >

> > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting -

I would use birth certificate and your own photo ID instead. I would

not want to contribute to the routine use of vaccine records, as that

acceptance would help such records to become a more widely accepted

policy. It's insidious how things can be blandly accepted by people

to the point where suddenly they've lost rights they didn't exercise

or know they had.

t

On Feb 27, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Peggy Rose wrote:

> I just posted this scenario on another group and was told that

> airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth certificates as

> proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

>

> Peggy

>

>

> > >

> > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > >

> > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> > > immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was

> > only

> > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a

> > blank

> > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but

> what

> > > about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is not a

> > dog

> > > who needs papers.

> > >

> > > ###

> > >

> > > Any feedback?

> > >

> > > Casey

> > >

> > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You ought to be threatening Southwest with an invasion of privacy suit! Those

are " medical records " ...they have NO BUSINESS ASKING FOR THEM.

You ask them for the written law that proves they have to have it!

How REDICULOUS!!

-Steph

>

> > I just posted this scenario on another group and was

> told that

> > airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth

> certificates as

> > proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > > >

> > > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they

> require Wyatt's

> > > > immunization records in order for him to

> fly. I told them he was

> > > only

> > > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed

> it. I had to get a

> > > blank

> > > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about

> the requirement but

> > what

> > > > about our privacy? I've never heard of

> such a thing. He is not a

> > > dog

> > > > who needs papers.

> > > >

> > > > ###

> > > >

> > > > Any feedback?

> > > >

> > > > Casey

> > > >

> > > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

You ought to be threatening Southwest with an invasion of privacy suit! Those

are " medical records " ...they have NO BUSINESS ASKING FOR THEM.

You ask them for the written law that proves they have to have it!

How REDICULOUS!!

-Steph

>

> > I just posted this scenario on another group and was

> told that

> > airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth

> certificates as

> > proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > > >

> > > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they

> require Wyatt's

> > > > immunization records in order for him to

> fly. I told them he was

> > > only

> > > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed

> it. I had to get a

> > > blank

> > > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about

> the requirement but

> > what

> > > > about our privacy? I've never heard of

> such a thing. He is not a

> > > dog

> > > > who needs papers.

> > > >

> > > > ###

> > > >

> > > > Any feedback?

> > > >

> > > > Casey

> > > >

> > > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whoa Whoa Whoa. There is no airline policy that requires proof of vaccines for children or anyone else to fly. Some *reserve the right* to ask for identification, given the horrible incident of kidnappings and such, to prove the child is yours, or of the age you have said they are, esp. for lap age passengers not buying a seat. IF they do, you can provide such proof by Birth Certificate, vaccine records, baptism record, SS card, etc, as children do not have driver's licenses, of course, or other adult forms of ID. They do not routinely request these, to the best of my knowledge. JetBlue has a stricter policy, but even they seldom request them. THEY ARE NOT screening passengers or children for proof of vaccinations!!!

My daughter and her unvaccinated 13 mo. old son flew out yesterday morning via Frontier, from Chicago to Denver with no such request, and no problems.

Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

> I just posted this scenario on another group and was told that

> airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth certificates as

> proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

>

> Peggy

>

>

> > >

> > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > >

> > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they require Wyatt's

> > > immunization records in order for him to fly. I told them he was

> > only

> > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed it. I had to get a

> > blank

> > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about the requirement but

> what

> > > about our privacy? I've never heard of such a thing. He is

not a

> > dog

> > > who needs papers.

> > >

> > > ###

> > >

> > > Any feedback?

> > >

> > > Casey

> > >

> > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > >

> >

>

>

> ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

here's what they say....medical release form under the 14 days old. under 2

years old, they would need birth certificate.

>

> > I just posted this scenario on another group and was

> told that

> > airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth

> certificates as

> > proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > > >

> > > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they

> require Wyatt's

> > > > immunization records in order for him to

> fly. I told them he was

> > > only

> > > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed

> it. I had to get a

> > > blank

> > > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about

> the requirement but

> > what

> > > > about our privacy? I've never heard of

> such a thing. He is not a

> > > dog

> > > > who needs papers.

> > > >

> > > > ###

> > > >

> > > > Any feedback?

> > > >

> > > > Casey

> > > >

> > > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

here's what they say....medical release form under the 14 days old. under 2

years old, they would need birth certificate.

>

> > I just posted this scenario on another group and was

> told that

> > airlines will ask for imuunization records, or birth

> certificates as

> > proof the child does infact belong to the parent.

> >

> > Peggy

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > A friend of mine just sent me this message:

> > > >

> > > > FYI: Southwest airlines told me that they

> require Wyatt's

> > > > immunization records in order for him to

> fly. I told them he was

> > > only

> > > > 7 weeks old but they said they still needed

> it. I had to get a

> > > blank

> > > > form from the dr. Not only am I mad about

> the requirement but

> > what

> > > > about our privacy? I've never heard of

> such a thing. He is not a

> > > dog

> > > > who needs papers.

> > > >

> > > > ###

> > > >

> > > > Any feedback?

> > > >

> > > > Casey

> > > >

> > > > Sunshine Organics - Live Well, Be Well

> > > > Holistic Moms Network

> > > > AA County Natural Living Guide

> > > > MD Coalition for Vaccine Choice

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The medical release form bothers me. What about those of us that have

our children at home? I know it is off topic. SZ

>

>

> here's what they say....medical release form under the 14 days old.

under 2 years old, they would need birth certificate.

>

>

>