Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 This argument would make sense if these drugs were only prescribed for depression. What about the 12 year old who killed herself on zoloft which was prescribed for warts? Yes, warts! What about the mother who was prescribed effexor for abdominal pain and shot herself (gallstones on autopsy). What about all those who are prescribed this drug for anxiety(0 on the famous depression scale) who have killed themselves. What about Prozac for anorexia in a 15 year old who dies from an overdose of Atarax that we prescribed for the insomnia caused by the Prozac. I'm not busting your chops here, but the " excuse " that those that you spoke to doesn't fly when you look at the reasons why these drugs are ordered. Cymbalta had a suicide IN THEIR LAB by one of their " well " participants.( ). I could list hundreds more who have committed suicide when no depression was present. My son attempted suicide on paxil. He survived and can tell me today exactly what was in his mind. I can assure you it wasn't " I have the energy to kill myself now " . It was an out of control psychotic obsession with death. A " knowing " that he would not live to see 17 years old. I appreciate you're coming here to hear the real story from real survivors. Maybe, just maybe you can make others in your profession start to see exactly what these drugs are capable of. Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 This argument would make sense if these drugs were only prescribed for depression. What about the 12 year old who killed herself on zoloft which was prescribed for warts? Yes, warts! What about the mother who was prescribed effexor for abdominal pain and shot herself (gallstones on autopsy). What about all those who are prescribed this drug for anxiety(0 on the famous depression scale) who have killed themselves. What about Prozac for anorexia in a 15 year old who dies from an overdose of Atarax that we prescribed for the insomnia caused by the Prozac. I'm not busting your chops here, but the " excuse " that those that you spoke to doesn't fly when you look at the reasons why these drugs are ordered. Cymbalta had a suicide IN THEIR LAB by one of their " well " participants.( ). I could list hundreds more who have committed suicide when no depression was present. My son attempted suicide on paxil. He survived and can tell me today exactly what was in his mind. I can assure you it wasn't " I have the energy to kill myself now " . It was an out of control psychotic obsession with death. A " knowing " that he would not live to see 17 years old. I appreciate you're coming here to hear the real story from real survivors. Maybe, just maybe you can make others in your profession start to see exactly what these drugs are capable of. Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 That was the argument when the SSRI antidepressant scandal was just heating up. I haven't heard it in a while but find it interesting that grown, happy men have been perscribed antidepressants for chest pain and committed suicide within days of starting the drug. Traci Jonhson, a healthy 19 year old God loving angel committed suicide within the Eli Lilly labratories while testing a new antidepressant called Cymbalta. The night before she was laughing on the phone with a friend and talking about what they would do when she was through with the drug study. There are too many cases where the child/adult is ho-hum depressed and then goes psychotic on the drugs and commits suicide. It's a good question Gab, if I had a dollar for every story I have read where some insane act of violence or suicide had antidepressants or other psychiatric drugs involved I'd be rich. What you are hearing is a common line but if you do the research you will see that undisclosed drug company studies showed a significant increase in suicidal tendencies in children and was kept from the public for almost 20 years. The public forced the issue because to many people were being harmed in very violent horrific ways. Yates was on antidepressants (amongst other drugs) and then cold turkeyed and sent home to her children. Dena Schlosser cut her babies arms off on an undisclosed psych drug in Houston. Columbine had psych drugs involved, Jeff Weise was given an increase from 40 to 60mg of Prozac and killed 10 including himself. I could go on all day. Exercise is as effective as Zoloft for depression. There's a study that Pfizer would like forgotten as soon as possible. What the psychiatric industry says and what the truth is are two completely different things. I bet the people you talked to don't know of any of this stuff I've mentioned but I bet they know what the detail men from the drug companies are telling them. Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 That was the argument when the SSRI antidepressant scandal was just heating up. I haven't heard it in a while but find it interesting that grown, happy men have been perscribed antidepressants for chest pain and committed suicide within days of starting the drug. Traci Jonhson, a healthy 19 year old God loving angel committed suicide within the Eli Lilly labratories while testing a new antidepressant called Cymbalta. The night before she was laughing on the phone with a friend and talking about what they would do when she was through with the drug study. There are too many cases where the child/adult is ho-hum depressed and then goes psychotic on the drugs and commits suicide. It's a good question Gab, if I had a dollar for every story I have read where some insane act of violence or suicide had antidepressants or other psychiatric drugs involved I'd be rich. What you are hearing is a common line but if you do the research you will see that undisclosed drug company studies showed a significant increase in suicidal tendencies in children and was kept from the public for almost 20 years. The public forced the issue because to many people were being harmed in very violent horrific ways. Yates was on antidepressants (amongst other drugs) and then cold turkeyed and sent home to her children. Dena Schlosser cut her babies arms off on an undisclosed psych drug in Houston. Columbine had psych drugs involved, Jeff Weise was given an increase from 40 to 60mg of Prozac and killed 10 including himself. I could go on all day. Exercise is as effective as Zoloft for depression. There's a study that Pfizer would like forgotten as soon as possible. What the psychiatric industry says and what the truth is are two completely different things. I bet the people you talked to don't know of any of this stuff I've mentioned but I bet they know what the detail men from the drug companies are telling them. Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 That was the argument when the SSRI antidepressant scandal was just heating up. I haven't heard it in a while but find it interesting that grown, happy men have been perscribed antidepressants for chest pain and committed suicide within days of starting the drug. Traci Jonhson, a healthy 19 year old God loving angel committed suicide within the Eli Lilly labratories while testing a new antidepressant called Cymbalta. The night before she was laughing on the phone with a friend and talking about what they would do when she was through with the drug study. There are too many cases where the child/adult is ho-hum depressed and then goes psychotic on the drugs and commits suicide. It's a good question Gab, if I had a dollar for every story I have read where some insane act of violence or suicide had antidepressants or other psychiatric drugs involved I'd be rich. What you are hearing is a common line but if you do the research you will see that undisclosed drug company studies showed a significant increase in suicidal tendencies in children and was kept from the public for almost 20 years. The public forced the issue because to many people were being harmed in very violent horrific ways. Yates was on antidepressants (amongst other drugs) and then cold turkeyed and sent home to her children. Dena Schlosser cut her babies arms off on an undisclosed psych drug in Houston. Columbine had psych drugs involved, Jeff Weise was given an increase from 40 to 60mg of Prozac and killed 10 including himself. I could go on all day. Exercise is as effective as Zoloft for depression. There's a study that Pfizer would like forgotten as soon as possible. What the psychiatric industry says and what the truth is are two completely different things. I bet the people you talked to don't know of any of this stuff I've mentioned but I bet they know what the detail men from the drug companies are telling them. Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 That was the argument when the SSRI antidepressant scandal was just heating up. I haven't heard it in a while but find it interesting that grown, happy men have been perscribed antidepressants for chest pain and committed suicide within days of starting the drug. Traci Jonhson, a healthy 19 year old God loving angel committed suicide within the Eli Lilly labratories while testing a new antidepressant called Cymbalta. The night before she was laughing on the phone with a friend and talking about what they would do when she was through with the drug study. There are too many cases where the child/adult is ho-hum depressed and then goes psychotic on the drugs and commits suicide. It's a good question Gab, if I had a dollar for every story I have read where some insane act of violence or suicide had antidepressants or other psychiatric drugs involved I'd be rich. What you are hearing is a common line but if you do the research you will see that undisclosed drug company studies showed a significant increase in suicidal tendencies in children and was kept from the public for almost 20 years. The public forced the issue because to many people were being harmed in very violent horrific ways. Yates was on antidepressants (amongst other drugs) and then cold turkeyed and sent home to her children. Dena Schlosser cut her babies arms off on an undisclosed psych drug in Houston. Columbine had psych drugs involved, Jeff Weise was given an increase from 40 to 60mg of Prozac and killed 10 including himself. I could go on all day. Exercise is as effective as Zoloft for depression. There's a study that Pfizer would like forgotten as soon as possible. What the psychiatric industry says and what the truth is are two completely different things. I bet the people you talked to don't know of any of this stuff I've mentioned but I bet they know what the detail men from the drug companies are telling them. Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Drug company propaganda! Ranks right up there with " the illness was there all the time the medication just exposed it " Charlie > > Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Drug company propaganda! Ranks right up there with " the illness was there all the time the medication just exposed it " Charlie > > Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Drug company propaganda! Ranks right up there with " the illness was there all the time the medication just exposed it " Charlie > > Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Drug company propaganda! Ranks right up there with " the illness was there all the time the medication just exposed it " Charlie > > Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Come spend 15 mins with my son Nick. He was bullied at school. was not doing well, and the school did not address the situation. He hated school and could not work in an unsave enviroment. We took him to a therapist, and was soon put on Prozac. 10 days later, he took an overdose. He was not suicidal prior, however, we were told to let it go, and he was left for 3 days with no medication. Remember he had taken about 20 prozac all at once, so three days later he took sleeping pills and ended up in hospital. Maybe he took the pills because he hadn't slept since the prozac. He was put on paxel and his behaviour became out of control.He was then given more and more medications to help him deal with the side effects from SSri's. But we were told his diagnoses was changing and " He has always been this way, we are just seeing it now we are dealing with his depression " (Sounds like the drugs co's). Eventualy he took a gun to school and locked himself in the bathroom he tried to shoot himself. He was arrested, and taken to a different hospital. This hospital took him off all meds, and they set him in a school that was safe, he became an A student, he nedded no medication he did not decompensate, the way the doc said he should, if he was truly depressed or bi-polar. So we have a child with medical records to prove he does better off medications than on. We even drew a timeline with the increase of drugs with his decrease in self control. I am sure you could find your own subjects to study for the same phenomonon. > Okay, this is what I was told by other > therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm > only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was > told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already > suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put > on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this > process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are > somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are > still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and > need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the > drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been > suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that > they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to > opposing view points. > > Gab > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Come spend 15 mins with my son Nick. He was bullied at school. was not doing well, and the school did not address the situation. He hated school and could not work in an unsave enviroment. We took him to a therapist, and was soon put on Prozac. 10 days later, he took an overdose. He was not suicidal prior, however, we were told to let it go, and he was left for 3 days with no medication. Remember he had taken about 20 prozac all at once, so three days later he took sleeping pills and ended up in hospital. Maybe he took the pills because he hadn't slept since the prozac. He was put on paxel and his behaviour became out of control.He was then given more and more medications to help him deal with the side effects from SSri's. But we were told his diagnoses was changing and " He has always been this way, we are just seeing it now we are dealing with his depression " (Sounds like the drugs co's). Eventualy he took a gun to school and locked himself in the bathroom he tried to shoot himself. He was arrested, and taken to a different hospital. This hospital took him off all meds, and they set him in a school that was safe, he became an A student, he nedded no medication he did not decompensate, the way the doc said he should, if he was truly depressed or bi-polar. So we have a child with medical records to prove he does better off medications than on. We even drew a timeline with the increase of drugs with his decrease in self control. I am sure you could find your own subjects to study for the same phenomonon. > Okay, this is what I was told by other > therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm > only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was > told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already > suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put > on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this > process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are > somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are > still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and > need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the > drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been > suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that > they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to > opposing view points. > > Gab > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Come spend 15 mins with my son Nick. He was bullied at school. was not doing well, and the school did not address the situation. He hated school and could not work in an unsave enviroment. We took him to a therapist, and was soon put on Prozac. 10 days later, he took an overdose. He was not suicidal prior, however, we were told to let it go, and he was left for 3 days with no medication. Remember he had taken about 20 prozac all at once, so three days later he took sleeping pills and ended up in hospital. Maybe he took the pills because he hadn't slept since the prozac. He was put on paxel and his behaviour became out of control.He was then given more and more medications to help him deal with the side effects from SSri's. But we were told his diagnoses was changing and " He has always been this way, we are just seeing it now we are dealing with his depression " (Sounds like the drugs co's). Eventualy he took a gun to school and locked himself in the bathroom he tried to shoot himself. He was arrested, and taken to a different hospital. This hospital took him off all meds, and they set him in a school that was safe, he became an A student, he nedded no medication he did not decompensate, the way the doc said he should, if he was truly depressed or bi-polar. So we have a child with medical records to prove he does better off medications than on. We even drew a timeline with the increase of drugs with his decrease in self control. I am sure you could find your own subjects to study for the same phenomonon. > Okay, this is what I was told by other > therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm > only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was > told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already > suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put > on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this > process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are > somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are > still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and > need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the > drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been > suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that > they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to > opposing view points. > > Gab > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Come spend 15 mins with my son Nick. He was bullied at school. was not doing well, and the school did not address the situation. He hated school and could not work in an unsave enviroment. We took him to a therapist, and was soon put on Prozac. 10 days later, he took an overdose. He was not suicidal prior, however, we were told to let it go, and he was left for 3 days with no medication. Remember he had taken about 20 prozac all at once, so three days later he took sleeping pills and ended up in hospital. Maybe he took the pills because he hadn't slept since the prozac. He was put on paxel and his behaviour became out of control.He was then given more and more medications to help him deal with the side effects from SSri's. But we were told his diagnoses was changing and " He has always been this way, we are just seeing it now we are dealing with his depression " (Sounds like the drugs co's). Eventualy he took a gun to school and locked himself in the bathroom he tried to shoot himself. He was arrested, and taken to a different hospital. This hospital took him off all meds, and they set him in a school that was safe, he became an A student, he nedded no medication he did not decompensate, the way the doc said he should, if he was truly depressed or bi-polar. So we have a child with medical records to prove he does better off medications than on. We even drew a timeline with the increase of drugs with his decrease in self control. I am sure you could find your own subjects to study for the same phenomonon. > Okay, this is what I was told by other > therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm > only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was > told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already > suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put > on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this > process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are > somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are > still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and > need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the > drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been > suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that > they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to > opposing view points. > > Gab > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 If this were true, the suicidality wouldn't be there when the drug was prescribed for people using the medication for reasons other than depression. Would you believe an increase in suicidal thinking in women being give Cymbalta for incontinence? http://www.fda.gov/cder/ drug/InfoSheets/HCP/duloxetineHCP.htm Check the last few paragraphs. > > Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 If this were true, the suicidality wouldn't be there when the drug was prescribed for people using the medication for reasons other than depression. Would you believe an increase in suicidal thinking in women being give Cymbalta for incontinence? http://www.fda.gov/cder/ drug/InfoSheets/HCP/duloxetineHCP.htm Check the last few paragraphs. > > Okay, this is what I was told by other therapists at our facility. > Please don't shoot the messanger....that's me! I'm only relaying what I was told. > Some of you may have already heard this, but I was told that many > individuals who are in deep depression are already suicidal but they don't have the > strength to cary out the act. So, when they are put on medication, their mood is > slowly elevated. There is a point during this process when they have not yet > reached peak elevation from the medication, but are somewhere in mid > range....giving them more energy, but yet they are still suicidal. This is the time > frame that some people carry out suicidal acts and need to be under close > observation. In other words, it is thought that the drug is not causing the > suicidal act, because these individuals have been suicidal, so the drug is only > increasing their mood elevation to the degree that they now have enough strangth to > cary out the act. Any thoughts? I'm open to opposing view points. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Wow, okay, that's a good point......people who committed suicide when the drugs were prescribed for other reasons then depression. See, I didn't even think about that possibility. Thank you for opening my eyes to that fact. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Wow, okay, that's a good point......people who committed suicide when the drugs were prescribed for other reasons then depression. See, I didn't even think about that possibility. Thank you for opening my eyes to that fact. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Wow, okay, that's a good point......people who committed suicide when the drugs were prescribed for other reasons then depression. See, I didn't even think about that possibility. Thank you for opening my eyes to that fact. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Wow, okay, that's a good point......people who committed suicide when the drugs were prescribed for other reasons then depression. See, I didn't even think about that possibility. Thank you for opening my eyes to that fact. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Oh my gosh, it sounds to me like your son did not need medication at all. There was an existing problem.....beying bullied at school and an unsafe environment.....that needed to be addressed. Not drugging him up. Why any doctor would put him on drugs is beyond me. See, this is what bothers me. Instead of dealing with the issue to solve the problem, doctors are so quick to just prescribe drugs instead. I'm really sorry to hear what your son went through. What a horrific experience. I'm glad to hear he is now doing better. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Joh, Please read my earlier emails. I don't have the energy to argue and defend myself anymore on this list. I am NOT with a drug company! I am a bran new mental health therapist who is AGAINST using drugs in therapy. I'm on this list because I want to gain knowledge in the effects of SSRI medication. If I'm NOT going to advocate using drugs in therapy, then I better have solid reasons for my decision. Just saying that I don't believe in using drugs and not being able to back up my decision with facts will not fly. That will make me look like an idiot! So, I'm presenting questions to the group based on what I have been taught in school and at work in order to hear the other side of the story. This is the only way I will gain knowledge. If I only consult with other therapists, then I'm not getting YOUR side of the story. Telling me to get educated somewhere else and not on this group may not be the best advice as I feel that people on this group have a wealth of information to share that exposes the truth. You're basically telling someone who cares to take a hike! How about helping me gain knowledge so that I can do things the right way? That way I can help my patients without sending them to the shrink to dope them up. As for me not being educated, I graduated from the master's LPC program with a 3.97 GPA and will be starting the doctoral program next fall. I'm just not satisfied with my eduation and would like to further my knowledge the unconventional way.....listening to stories that real people have to share. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Thank you for sharing your story. This is what I need to hear to back up my decision for not using drugs in therapy. I'm sure I'm going to be rather unpopular with other therapists in how I treat patients, but oh well. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Thank you for sharing your story. This is what I need to hear to back up my decision for not using drugs in therapy. I'm sure I'm going to be rather unpopular with other therapists in how I treat patients, but oh well. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 You're absolutely right! I agree that street drugs causes insanity. A topic I want to further research. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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