Booster Shots

August 31, 2007

Because they do admit that vaccine immunity does wear off so you have to

boost it b/c the body can’t possibly defend itself w/o their “help”

Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12,

10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1,

and due 2/08

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August 31, 2007

Ok, thanks. See, I was confused about that cause the first time I

took my little one to the doctor and I was arguing against him, one

of my main points was that even if he aquired immunity, it wouldn't

last very long. He said....oh no, it's life long immunity. So then

I asked him why booster shots were needed and he pretended not to

hear me and did not answer the question at all.

I didn't know then as much as I know now.....mostly thanks to this

group.

>

> Because they do admit that vaccine immunity does wear off so you

have to

> boost it b/c the body can't possibly defend itself w/o their " help "

>

> Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12,

> 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04),

1,

> and due 2/08

> Some minds are like concrete:

> Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.

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August 31, 2007

One of the explanations I received went as follows (try to stay with me

because there were huge holes in this vet's logic):

1 - Animals at HIGH risk of coming into contact with a disease need boosters

MORE often to keep ACTIVE immunity circulating (actual antibodies versus

memory cells which she considers INACTIVE).

2 - Animals at LOW risk for diseases can POSSIBLY get away with LESS

frequent boosters since their chances of coming into contact with the

disease are reduced by whatever means/factors.

3 - Titers are an " accurate " measure of immunity and should be used

regularly to determine if " boosters " are needed. If they are " low " (not

non-existent), the patient " needs " a booster. If it's non-existent, of

course, they need a booster.

The argument she was making is that it takes too long for memory cells to

kick into gear and start pumping out those antibodies, so you want

antibodies circulating at all times for " good " immunity to exist. She said

that the memory cells take " so long " to kick into gear that it puts the

patient at risk for a more severe infection than if they have " active "

immunity in the form of antibodies. She indicated it takes hours and even

days for memory cells to spur the production of the required antibodies, and

even hours could mean the difference between life and death from parvo or

distemper.

Needless to say, there are some serious and sizable holes in her logic, not

to mention her understanding of the immune system, and I'm sure many of you

can immediately see every huge flaw in the above statements without too much

difficulty. Unfortunately, human doctors (especially shot-happy

pediatricians) seem to have the same flawed logic. At least the ones I've

talked to. They've often made me glad hubby and I don't have children.

It's hard enough fighting the vaccine-battle with vets. I can't even

imagine how much more difficult it must be when it's your human children.

Anyway, that's how it was laid out for me. All I could do was sit and shake

my head that anyone can be SO blind and think that mess is logical, much

less in line with what IS known about how the immune system works. :-(

Dawn T

August 31, 2007

I have no proof of it but I would suspect that, in some cases, the dose they

think is required would be so toxic that they couldn't give it all at once.

Calling the rest of the poison a booster works good for them.

Joe

Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: Because they do admit that vaccine

immunity does wear off so you have to

boost it b/c the body can’t possibly defend itself w/o their “help”

Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12,

10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1,

and due 2/08

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August 31, 2007

EXCELLENT question to hit him with, Vida!! Don't you just love how

so many of the arguments in favor of vaccination have holes the size

of dump trucks in them?

Dawn

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>>>

>>> Ok, thanks. See, I was confused about that cause the first time

I took my little one to the doctor and I was arguing against him, one

of my main points was that even if he aquired immunity, it wouldn't

last very long. He said....oh no, it's life long immunity. So then

I asked him why booster shots were needed and he pretended not to

hear me and did not answer the question at all. I didn't know then as

much as I know now.....mostly thanks to this group.

August 31, 2007

Hm... I don't think I've ever thought of that one, Joe. It's a very

good point.

Dawn

's Sweet Wheeks

Abyssinian Guinea Pigs

www.turnerzoo.net/Piggies.htm

>>>

>>> I have no proof of it but I would suspect that, in some cases, the

dose they think is required would be so toxic that they couldn't give

it all at once. Calling the rest of the poison a booster works good for

them.

>>> Joe

August 31, 2007

So if booster shots are necessary to keep up immunization and adults

rarely get them, then why don't adults have all of these diseases

that are vaccinated for.

>

> One of the explanations I received went as follows (try to stay

with me

> because there were huge holes in this vet's logic):

>

> 1 - Animals at HIGH risk of coming into contact with a disease

need boosters

> MORE often to keep ACTIVE immunity circulating (actual antibodies

versus

> memory cells which she considers INACTIVE).

>

> 2 - Animals at LOW risk for diseases can POSSIBLY get away with

LESS

> frequent boosters since their chances of coming into contact with

the

> disease are reduced by whatever means/factors.

>

> 3 - Titers are an " accurate " measure of immunity and should be

used

> regularly to determine if " boosters " are needed. If they

are " low " (not

> non-existent), the patient " needs " a booster. If it's non-

existent, of

> course, they need a booster.

>

> The argument she was making is that it takes too long for memory

cells to

> kick into gear and start pumping out those antibodies, so you want

> antibodies circulating at all times for " good " immunity to exist.

She said

> that the memory cells take " so long " to kick into gear that it

puts the

> patient at risk for a more severe infection than if they

have " active "

> immunity in the form of antibodies. She indicated it takes hours

and even

> days for memory cells to spur the production of the required

antibodies, and

> even hours could mean the difference between life and death from

parvo or

> distemper.

>

> Needless to say, there are some serious and sizable holes in her

logic, not

> to mention her understanding of the immune system, and I'm sure

many of you

> can immediately see every huge flaw in the above statements

without too much

> difficulty. Unfortunately, human doctors (especially shot-happy

> pediatricians) seem to have the same flawed logic. At least the

ones I've

> talked to. They've often made me glad hubby and I don't have

children.

> It's hard enough fighting the vaccine-battle with vets. I can't

even

> imagine how much more difficult it must be when it's your human

children.

>

> Anyway, that's how it was laid out for me. All I could do was sit

and shake

> my head that anyone can be SO blind and think that mess is

logical, much

> less in line with what IS known about how the immune system

works. :-(

>

> Dawn T

>

January 11, 2010

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm

really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will

be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get

vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he

had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the

plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER

vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch

and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first

wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and

may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better

knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

I would give them the exempt form now and not wait until they approach you with the updated vaccine info. Make sure you keep a copy for yourself as well, as many of these schools like to say that they never recieved a copy from parents who wish to have their child exempted.

no-forced-vaccination From: m_young26@...Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:19:34 +0000Subject: Booster Shots

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

I would give them the exempt form now and not wait until they approach you with the updated vaccine info. Make sure you keep a copy for yourself as well, as many of these schools like to say that they never recieved a copy from parents who wish to have their child exempted.

no-forced-vaccination From: m_young26@...Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:19:34 +0000Subject: Booster Shots

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

Some parents have gotten themselves into trouble with the governing authorities when they do not 'timely claim' their right to exempt their child from mandatory vaccines. The 'timely claim' being a letter to the institution which by law is required to tell you that your child must be vaccinated. Of course, those institutions do not tell you that you have a lawful right to exempt your child by your state's laws. Thus, the legal ease is that the parent was negligent by not staking their rightful exemption in a timely matter.

Booster Shots

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

Some parents have gotten themselves into trouble with the governing authorities when they do not 'timely claim' their right to exempt their child from mandatory vaccines. The 'timely claim' being a letter to the institution which by law is required to tell you that your child must be vaccinated. Of course, those institutions do not tell you that you have a lawful right to exempt your child by your state's laws. Thus, the legal ease is that the parent was negligent by not staking their rightful exemption in a timely matter.

Booster Shots

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

Since you have already shown proof that he has been vaccinated in the past reminds me of something I read about nurses refusing to take the swine flu shot or be fired. Those who did not get vaccines in the past weren't fried but because the ones that had been vaccinated in the past refused the H1N1 were fired.

There must be another exemption you can use...perhaps the truth??? It can harm your child. I didn't find out about the dangers until my sons were vaccinated. I had three smallpox vaccines as a child because the first 2 'didn't take'. I have had so many health issues related to it now that I look back. It is tempting to fill in the paperwork yourself or find another childcare person.

May the sounds of the universe bestow upon you HEALTH, happiness, peace and LOVE.

From: m_young26 <m_young26@...>Subject: Booster Shotsno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:19 AM

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------------

January 11, 2010

Since you have already shown proof that he has been vaccinated in the past reminds me of something I read about nurses refusing to take the swine flu shot or be fired. Those who did not get vaccines in the past weren't fried but because the ones that had been vaccinated in the past refused the H1N1 were fired.

There must be another exemption you can use...perhaps the truth??? It can harm your child. I didn't find out about the dangers until my sons were vaccinated. I had three smallpox vaccines as a child because the first 2 'didn't take'. I have had so many health issues related to it now that I look back. It is tempting to fill in the paperwork yourself or find another childcare person.

May the sounds of the universe bestow upon you HEALTH, happiness, peace and LOVE.

From: m_young26 <m_young26@...>Subject: Booster Shotsno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 8:19 AM

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------------

January 11, 2010

I vote for "beat 'em to the punch." Put them on notice - specifically,

that THEY will be held accountable if THEIR actions result in harm, in

any way, to your son! ...phil/qd36

m_young26 wrote:

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this

situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the

end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his

daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I

didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on

the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on

the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate

my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and

give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I

first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very

busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway,

but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in

advance!

-- Phil Frederick ;-) ID: quickdraw3650

Paltalk ID: Quickdraw36

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January 11, 2010

THIS PAST THURS JAN 6TH 2010 I WENT TO VACCLIB.ORG (ALL KINDS OF FORMS) DR.MERCOLA .COM HAS THEM TOO DOWNLOADED DECLARATION OF VACCINATION EXEMPTIONWENT TO THE NOTARY AND FOR TEN BUCKS A PIECE MY DAUGHTER AND SON (4 IN APR ) THE NEXT MMR DUE I DONT THINK SO ARE TAKEN CARE OF I WILL NEVER VACCINATE AGAIN THANKS IRENEFrom: Bascombe <cbascombetrack@...>To:

no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 8:40:12 AMSubject: RE: Booster Shots

I would give them the exempt form now and not wait until they approach you with the updated vaccine info. Make sure you keep a copy for yourself as well, as many of these schools like to say that they never recieved a copy from parents who wish to have their child exempted.

no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comFrom: m_young26 (DOT) comDate: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:19:34 +0000Subject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Booster Shots

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

THIS PAST THURS JAN 6TH 2010 I WENT TO VACCLIB.ORG (ALL KINDS OF FORMS) DR.MERCOLA .COM HAS THEM TOO DOWNLOADED DECLARATION OF VACCINATION EXEMPTIONWENT TO THE NOTARY AND FOR TEN BUCKS A PIECE MY DAUGHTER AND SON (4 IN APR ) THE NEXT MMR DUE I DONT THINK SO ARE TAKEN CARE OF I WILL NEVER VACCINATE AGAIN THANKS IRENEFrom: Bascombe <cbascombetrack@...>To:

no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 8:40:12 AMSubject: RE: Booster Shots

I would give them the exempt form now and not wait until they approach you with the updated vaccine info. Make sure you keep a copy for yourself as well, as many of these schools like to say that they never recieved a copy from parents who wish to have their child exempted.

no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comFrom: m_young26 (DOT) comDate: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:19:34 +0000Subject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Booster Shots

Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm really needing some advice. My son will be 4 at the end of this month and will be due for booster shots I believe, and his daycare will probably ask to get vaccines updated. Unfortunately, I didn't become educated on vaccines until he had already gotten all on the schedule through 15 mos. old, but thanks to the plethora of info on the internet I was able to get educated and I plan to NEVER vaccinate my son again. So my question is, do I beat the daycare to the punch and give them a letter citing my state law for religious exemption or do I first wait for them to bring up the updates? I think they're a very busy daycare and may forget to mention the updates on vaccines anyway, but I would feel better knowing what some of you recommend. Thanks in advance!

January 11, 2010

Does your state have an exemption form or do you need to write a letter?

Complete this on your own. Do not go in to defend your position or go in for

discussion---it is your child after all and while you may feel the need to

explain your ideas, they make consider it a legal conversation later. Just

give the daycare the exemption form (whatever your state process is) and watch

them place it in her file and leave. If they want to push your rights, contact

a lawyer who fights vaccine cases. These are my suggestions---if the staff

isn't on some wild goose chase, they should be fine.

>

> Hi, everyone. I'm sure a lot of you have gone through this situation, so I'm