Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

[Guest guest]

If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95% in fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in

cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind, but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound observation and common

sense.

From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PMSubject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

Nato - 101 NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic proportion of what it is were dealing with.In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.2) Abolition of private property.3) Abolition of inheritance.4) Abolition of patriotism.5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all morality, and the institution of communal education for

children.6) Abolition of all religion.The purposes of these six points are to divide the people politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion, all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be annihilated. .." Certainly there are other points that could be listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints I will only list one other.7) Massive Global Depopulation.I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite having been spoon fed the information.It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to access it.http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering

mumbles when it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.New World Order: World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/>> I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is > there

any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of > my best information from others in this group but I do not have the > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a > critical time for our cause.> > Here is an idea that could be of

use to the group. We need to figure > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated. > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a > thought. > > Peace,> a>

[Guest guest]

Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-

facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and

unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be useless if

we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to

educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be duplicated, then they

are useless to us.

Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and present

it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in order

for that information to be credible.

After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government are TO

THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then

we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,

" ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments offer no

medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may

be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to

convince the rest of the world.

I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95% in

> fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things

> like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty

> much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO

> creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in

> sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators

> have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that

> state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to

> prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later

> attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile

> act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in

> cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates

> out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a

> three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While

> some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places

> like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that

> originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered

> reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal

> elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,

> but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama

> to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG

> operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient

> if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound

> observation and common sense.

>

> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /

> PROOF OF VACCINE

>

>

> Nato - 101

>

> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in

> conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg

> Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall

> Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various

> offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less

> visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction

> with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic

> proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>

> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to

> what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>

> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>

> 2) Abolition of private property.

>

> 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>

> 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>

> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all

> morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

>

> 6) Abolition of all religion.

>

> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and

> create a one-world government. They testified that " all religion,

> all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could be

> listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints

> I will only list one other.

>

> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>

> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still

> cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite

> having been spoon fed the information.

>

> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to

> access it.

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>

> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when

> it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>

> New World Order:

> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

> http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>

>

> >

> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not

> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little

> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips

> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our

> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and

> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt

> there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of

> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have the

> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos

> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> > critical time for our cause.

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof

> of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their

> hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-

facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and

unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be useless if

we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to

educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be duplicated, then they

are useless to us.

Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and present

it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in order

for that information to be credible.

After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government are TO

THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then

we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,

" ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments offer no

medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may

be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to

convince the rest of the world.

I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95% in

> fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things

> like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty

> much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO

> creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in

> sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators

> have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that

> state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to

> prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later

> attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile

> act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in

> cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates

> out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a

> three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While

> some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places

> like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that

> originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered

> reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal

> elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,

> but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama

> to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG

> operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient

> if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound

> observation and common sense.

>

> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /

> PROOF OF VACCINE

>

>

> Nato - 101

>

> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in

> conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg

> Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall

> Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various

> offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less

> visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction

> with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic

> proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>

> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to

> what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>

> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>

> 2) Abolition of private property.

>

> 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>

> 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>

> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all

> morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

>

> 6) Abolition of all religion.

>

> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and

> create a one-world government. They testified that " all religion,

> all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could be

> listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints

> I will only list one other.

>

> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>

> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still

> cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite

> having been spoon fed the information.

>

> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to

> access it.

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>

> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when

> it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>

> New World Order:

> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

> http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>

>

> >

> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not

> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little

> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips

> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our

> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and

> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt

> there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of

> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have the

> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos

> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> > critical time for our cause.

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof

> of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their

> hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid my answer came across as curt, a bit rude, I'm sorry, in a rush lately. I actually agree with what you said, which is why I make an effort to guard against hearsay and rumor. But I'm also attempting to salute the numerous and outstanding contributions of most of the members of the group. I'm not aware of any "rants," actually. I've heard many of those and can recognize them for what they are, of course. I've been accused of "rants" myself by people who believe that vaccine effectiveness is sound logic, though most of us would not call it a rant; in fact, going by all the logic that supported graduate level research in my own work, there is no valid scientific basis for such a conclusion. One answer or the other, however, is correct and the other wrong. Some people will always

been 100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.

Then the issue of "religion." Did you notice that the secular NWO premises include a state supported "religion." A religion can be loosely defined as a set of values and beliefs that vary from religion to religion, so a state supported "religion" aims to eliminate conflicts by establishing a universal moral code. The error in such thinking hinges on the belief that neither scientific principles nor moral values can be arbitrarily determined by any institution, but that they exist independently of that. This is the basis of a universal and higher power that transcends the realm of humanity, and make no mistake, we will never win out over the NWO without that belief in a higher power. In that sense, God is anything but a religion, but a reality that must be assumed by a rational being, and for many it is an undeniable experience as well. As result, any; affirmations about the reality of God by people on this list are just as crucial to progress

as are the technical details and objective observations that determine the truth about whether or not vaccines or other pharmaceuticals meet the tests for either preventing disease or causing it. It sort of works like this, 1 and 1 is 2 because God made it that way, the NWO cannot arbitrarily decide that 1 and 1 is 3. Along the same lines, we have been endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator... no institution of man can take those away, nor can it tell us that 1+1=3, nor that vaccines work. To say that the truth is otherwise is also an assertion of valid spiritual faith, not religion.

From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 11:25:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINEAlan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non- facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and unsupported facts, though they may be "facts," tend to be useless if we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to educate and mobilize. If the "facts" cannot be duplicated, then they are useless to us.Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with the "outside," we need to be able to

duplicate information and present it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in order for that information to be credible.After all, look at how "credible" big pharma and the government are TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example, "ranting" and including religious elements to our arguments offer no medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to convince the rest of the world.I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.tOn Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95% in > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile > act.

Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full > knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind, > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for

Obama > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient > if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound > observation and common sense.>> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>> no-forced-vaccination > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / > PROOF OF VACCINE>>> Nato - 101>> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the

Bilderberg > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic > proportion of what it is were dealing with.>> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.>> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.>> 2) Abolition of private property.>> 3) Abolition of inheritance.>> 4) Abolition of patriotism.>> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all > morality, and the

institution of communal education for children.>> 6) Abolition of all religion.>> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and > create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion, > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be > annihilated. .." Certainly there are other points that could be > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints > I will only list one other.>> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.>> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite > having been spoon fed the information.>> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to

> access it.> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8>> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.>> New World Order:> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20> http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i- > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/>> > >> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable

events? Our> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have the> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a> > critical time for our cause.> >> > Here is an idea

that could be of use to the group. We need to figure> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof > of> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their > hand> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a> > thought.> >> > Peace,> > a> >>>>>> ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this, Alan. I appreciate both of your points, and it's

reassuring to hear your response.

Nevertheless, I'm not trying to open a discussion about faith; rather,

simply trying to make sure that the list maintains credibility. It

has been established in the past by members of the group, and by the

moderators, that any religious or spiritual assertions are

inappropriate to this list (in addition to a number of other types of

posts, not necessarily related to personal convictions). It has

nothing to do with your beliefs or mine.

While we all obviously have strong beliefs, religious, personal and

philosophical, and while (I believe) all of us are opposed to using

any vaccines for any purpose, even defeating the actual existence and

manufacture of vaccines themselves isn't the stated purpose of this

group. The focus needs to remain on, at least for the foreseeable

time, defeating ANY forced vaccination of any person at any time.

I am always impressed by the thought and background which you put into

your posts; it is clear that you have a body of knowledge and a

sincere intention to educate people and make our cause truly helpful

and empowering. However, I would still assert that within the stated

boundaries of this group (and they are appropriate), it is still not

ok to make religious, spiritual or personal references, BUT MOST of

all, it is actually harmful to our goals to include them, regardless

of what " the other side " is doing.

The mainstream already has credibility out the whazoo, whether they

deserve it or not. We have to not only compete with that credibility,

but we have to supersede it, and the only way to do that is to

establish an appeal and an empathy that works for large numbers of

unenlightened people.

Respectfully,

Theresa

On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> I'm afraid my answer came across as curt, a bit rude, I'm sorry, in

> a rush lately. I actually agree with what you said, which is why I

> make an effort to guard against hearsay and rumor. But I'm also

> attempting to salute the numerous and outstanding contributions of

> most of the members of the group. I'm not aware of any " rants, "

> actually. I've heard many of those and can recognize them for what

> they are, of course. I've been accused of " rants " myself by people

> who believe that vaccine effectiveness is sound logic, though most

> of us would not call it a rant; in fact, going by all the logic that

> supported graduate level research in my own work, there is no valid

> scientific basis for such a conclusion. One answer or the other,

> however, is correct and the other wrong. Some people will always

> been 100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.

>

> Then the issue of " religion. " Did you notice that the secular NWO

> premises include a state supported " religion. " A religion can be

> loosely defined as a set of values and beliefs that vary from

> religion to religion, so a state supported " religion " aims to

> eliminate conflicts by establishing a universal moral code. The

> error in such thinking hinges on the belief that neither scientific

> principles nor moral values can be arbitrarily determined by any

> institution, but that they exist independently of that. This is the

> basis of a universal and higher power that transcends the realm of

> humanity, and make no mistake, we will never win out over the NWO

> without that belief in a higher power. In that sense, God is

> anything but a religion, but a reality that must be assumed by a

> rational being, and for many it is an undeniable experience as well.

> As result, any; affirmations about the reality of God by people on

> this list are just as crucial to progress as are the technical

> details and objective observations that determine the truth about

> whether or not vaccines or other pharmaceuticals meet the tests for

> either preventing disease or causing it. It sort of works like this,

> 1 and 1 is 2 because God made it that way, the NWO cannot

> arbitrarily decide that 1 and 1 is 3. Along the same lines, we have

> been endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator... no

> institution of man can take those away, nor can it tell us that

> 1+1=3, nor that vaccines work. To say that the truth is otherwise is

> also an assertion of valid spiritual faith, not religion.

>

> From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 11:25:43 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY

> THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

>

> Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-

> facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and

> unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be useless if

> we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to

> educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be duplicated, then they

> are useless to us.

>

> Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

> the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and present

> it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in order

> for that information to be credible.

>

> After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government are TO

> THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then

> we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,

> " ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments offer no

> medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

> UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may

> be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to

> convince the rest of the world.

>

> I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.

>

> t

>

>

>

> On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> >

> > If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95% in

> > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things

> > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty

> > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO

> > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in

> > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators

> > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that

> > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to

> > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later

> > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile

> > act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in

> > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full

> > knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates

> > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a

> > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While

> > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places

> > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that

> > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered

> > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal

> > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,

> > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama

> > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG

> > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient

> > if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound

> > observation and common sense.

> >

> > From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> > no-forced-vaccination

> > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> > Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /

> > PROOF OF VACCINE

> >

> >

> > Nato - 101

> >

> > NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in

> > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg

> > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall

> > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various

> > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less

> > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction

> > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic

> > proportion of what it is were dealing with.

> >

> > In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to

> > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

> >

> > 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

> >

> > 2) Abolition of private property.

> >

> > 3) Abolition of inheritance.

> >

> > 4) Abolition of patriotism.

> >

> > 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all

> > morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

> >

> > 6) Abolition of all religion.

> >

> > The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and

> > create a one-world government. They testified that " all religion,

> > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> > annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could be

> > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints

> > I will only list one other.

> >

> > 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

> >

> > I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still

> > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite

> > having been spoon fed the information.

> >

> > It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to

> > access it.

> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

> >

> > Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when

> > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

> >

> > New World Order:

> > World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

> > http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is

> not

> > > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a

> little

> > > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers,

> chips

> > > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> > > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events?

> Our

> > > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> > > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> > > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real

> and

> > > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> > > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt

> > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> > > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> > > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get

> most of

> > > my best information from others in this group but I do not have

> the

> > > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube

> videos

> > > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> > > critical time for our cause.

> > >

> > > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to

> figure

> > > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof

> > of

> > > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> > > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their

> > hand

> > > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think

> each

> > > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get

> vaccinated.

> > > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> > > thought.

> > >

> > > Peace,

> > > a

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is REALITY. NOT CONSPIRACY. This is HAPPENING NOW, LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE. The reason I DID NOT SPEAK AT RALLY because I couldnt seperate VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS AND EFFICACY with the fact that they are ABOUT to ANNIALATE MILLIONS of PEOPLE (US, MY CHILDREN) within WEEKS. or make them chipped or STERILE at the very least....SORRY, CANT SEPERATE THE TWO ANY LONGER. NOT CALLING OUT THE BILDEBERG GROUP AND ELITE ON THIS AND SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF THE MILLENIUM. TIME TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT LOOKING CRAZY..WE ARE WAY PAST THAT AND TIME IS SHORTTTTTTTTTT. I HAVE ATTACHED ...AGAIN..WAKE UP. I FOUND THE TRUCKER (IN PERSON) TRUCKING BIRD FLU FOR HOMELAND SECURITY IN ALBANY NY. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE...

NO JOKE.

Nato - 101

NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic proportion of what it is were dealing with.

In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

2) Abolition of private property.

3) Abolition of inheritance.

4) Abolition of patriotism.

5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

6) Abolition of all religion.

The purposes of these six points are to divide the people politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion, all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be annihilated..." Certainly there are other points that could be listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints I will only list one other.

7) Massive Global Depopulation.

I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite having been spoon fed the information.

It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to access it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6US0Qk5_8

Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

New World Order:

World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/new-world-order-i-world-communism-club-of-rome-tells-g20/

>

> I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not

> to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little

> crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips

> implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our

> group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and

> should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of

> my best information from others in this group but I do not have the

> time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos

> as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> critical time for our cause.

>

> Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of

> vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand

> on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> thought.

>

> Peace,

> a

>

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[Guest guest]

This is REALITY. NOT CONSPIRACY. This is HAPPENING NOW, LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE. The reason I DID NOT SPEAK AT RALLY because I couldnt seperate VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS AND EFFICACY with the fact that they are ABOUT to ANNIALATE MILLIONS of PEOPLE (US, MY CHILDREN) within WEEKS. or make them chipped or STERILE at the very least....SORRY, CANT SEPERATE THE TWO ANY LONGER. NOT CALLING OUT THE BILDEBERG GROUP AND ELITE ON THIS AND SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF THE MILLENIUM. TIME TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT LOOKING CRAZY..WE ARE WAY PAST THAT AND TIME IS SHORTTTTTTTTTT. I HAVE ATTACHED ...AGAIN..WAKE UP. I FOUND THE TRUCKER (IN PERSON) TRUCKING BIRD FLU FOR HOMELAND SECURITY IN ALBANY NY. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE...

NO JOKE.

Nato - 101

NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic proportion of what it is were dealing with.

In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

2) Abolition of private property.

3) Abolition of inheritance.

4) Abolition of patriotism.

5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

6) Abolition of all religion.

The purposes of these six points are to divide the people politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion, all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be annihilated..." Certainly there are other points that could be listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints I will only list one other.

7) Massive Global Depopulation.

I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite having been spoon fed the information.

It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to access it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6US0Qk5_8

Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

New World Order:

World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/new-world-order-i-world-communism-club-of-rome-tells-g20/

>

> I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not

> to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little

> crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips

> implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our

> group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and

> should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of

> my best information from others in this group but I do not have the

> time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos

> as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> critical time for our cause.

>

> Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of

> vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand

> on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> thought.

>

> Peace,

> a

>

3 of 3 File(s)

Illuminati.docx

12963901-The-Secrets-of-the-Mojave-by-Branton.pdf

help file.rtf

[Guest guest]

This is REALITY. NOT CONSPIRACY. This is HAPPENING NOW, LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE. The reason I DID NOT SPEAK AT RALLY because I couldnt seperate VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS AND EFFICACY with the fact that they are ABOUT to ANNIALATE MILLIONS of PEOPLE (US, MY CHILDREN) within WEEKS. or make them chipped or STERILE at the very least....SORRY, CANT SEPERATE THE TWO ANY LONGER. NOT CALLING OUT THE BILDEBERG GROUP AND ELITE ON THIS AND SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF THE MILLENIUM. TIME TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT LOOKING CRAZY..WE ARE WAY PAST THAT AND TIME IS SHORTTTTTTTTTT. I HAVE ATTACHED ...AGAIN..WAKE UP. I FOUND THE TRUCKER (IN PERSON) TRUCKING BIRD FLU FOR HOMELAND SECURITY IN ALBANY NY. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE...

NO JOKE.

Nato - 101

NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic proportion of what it is were dealing with.

In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

2) Abolition of private property.

3) Abolition of inheritance.

4) Abolition of patriotism.

5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

6) Abolition of all religion.

The purposes of these six points are to divide the people politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion, all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be annihilated..." Certainly there are other points that could be listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints I will only list one other.

7) Massive Global Depopulation.

I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite having been spoon fed the information.

It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to access it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6US0Qk5_8

Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

New World Order:

World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/new-world-order-i-world-communism-club-of-rome-tells-g20/

>

> I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not

> to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little

> crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips

> implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our

> group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and

> should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of

> my best information from others in this group but I do not have the

> time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos

> as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> critical time for our cause.

>

> Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of

> vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand

> on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> thought.

>

> Peace,

> a

>

3 of 3 File(s)

Illuminati.docx

12963901-The-Secrets-of-the-Mojave-by-Branton.pdf

help file.rtf

[Guest guest]

This is REALITY. NOT CONSPIRACY. This is HAPPENING NOW, LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE. The reason I DID NOT SPEAK AT RALLY because I couldnt seperate VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS AND EFFICACY with the fact that they are ABOUT to ANNIALATE MILLIONS of PEOPLE (US, MY CHILDREN) within WEEKS. or make them chipped or STERILE at the very least....SORRY, CANT SEPERATE THE TWO ANY LONGER. NOT CALLING OUT THE BILDEBERG GROUP AND ELITE ON THIS AND SCREAMING IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS IS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF THE MILLENIUM. TIME TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT LOOKING CRAZY..WE ARE WAY PAST THAT AND TIME IS SHORTTTTTTTTTT. I HAVE ATTACHED ...AGAIN..WAKE UP. I FOUND THE TRUCKER (IN PERSON) TRUCKING BIRD FLU FOR HOMELAND SECURITY IN ALBANY NY. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE...

NO JOKE.

Nato - 101

NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic proportion of what it is were dealing with.

In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

2) Abolition of private property.

3) Abolition of inheritance.

4) Abolition of patriotism.

5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

6) Abolition of all religion.

The purposes of these six points are to divide the people politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion, all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be annihilated..." Certainly there are other points that could be listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints I will only list one other.

7) Massive Global Depopulation.

I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite having been spoon fed the information.

It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to access it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6US0Qk5_8

Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

New World Order:

World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/new-world-order-i-world-communism-club-of-rome-tells-g20/

>

> I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is not

> to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a little

> crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, chips

> implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

> there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? Our

> group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

> of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

> reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real and

> should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

> government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

> but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

> constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get most of

> my best information from others in this group but I do not have the

> time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube videos

> as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

> critical time for our cause.

>

> Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of

> vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand

> on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> thought.

>

> Peace,

> a

>

3 of 3 File(s)

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12963901-The-Secrets-of-the-Mojave-by-Branton.pdf

help file.rtf

[Guest guest]

They will be dealth with as will the illuminati and THEY KNOW IT. There is a revolution brewing and it is about to spark. Get ready.

STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

> >

> >

> ...

> ...

> ...

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

They will be dealth with as will the illuminati and THEY KNOW IT. There is a revolution brewing and it is about to spark. Get ready.

STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

> >

> >

> ...

> ...

> ...

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Theresa, a....

Certain statements are (arguably) facts: but how would

you have US support them?

Jane Burgermeister discovered blatant corruption

at various levels of governments and she found

evidence of WHO.swine (mis)management.

Jane very bravely filed charges that

Baxter swine distributed vast quatities of their

patented vaccine with intentionally-potentized

live bird flu virus.

The Austrian Police CEO allotted a case number

recognizing her submission is officially-accepted.

Certain other statements which allegedly contain

the truth, may also contain literal color for impact:

The EU Soviet Politburo demanded their Austrian

Comrades demote the Station Sarge to re-education

at Berchtesgarten.

A new CEO immediately promoted receives

treble-bonus roubles for officiously discovering that

Jane's submission contains not one shred of

admissible evidence that Baxter's fine product

is not exactly in accordance with all approved

protocols, as well as completely complying

with several EU regulatory tests procedures that

are still to be formulated.

Submission filed under " F " for file.

You say " Stop the Conspiracy Theories " ....

I for one have wished that BigMedia

and the White House would kill their own

treasonous conspiracy theory about

Arab terrorists boarding hell-bent Boeings.

Or has official-sanction been updated

with alleging that Tim Osman's

box-cutting charges were actually

wielding Baxter-vaccinizing needles?

" They " are doing everything in their vast

control of power to completely conceal

their evil plan. If world domination by

psychopathic banksters seems to be

" just another conspiracy theory " , be darned sure

that's exactly what they want you to believe.

There are many still-secret classified KGB files,

proving the conspiracy between the NWO and

USSR admin to institute the present Soviet-style

Socialist-Collectivist EU.

All readily-available here online under five bucks

[No, I do not get a cut ;-)}

http://www.junepress.com/coverpic.asp?BID=741

Now the NWO have added this deadly-phony vaccine

campaign to constantly brainwashing US with

“Pth! Conspiracy Theory!” they can now go public

and finalize committing High Treason

http://bit.ly/2Peuot

MikeR

At 12:25 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

Alan, I do NOT believe a is

accusing our group of posting non-

facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts,

and

unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be

useless if

we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt

to

educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be

duplicated, then they

are useless to us.

Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and

present

it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in

order

for that information to be credible.

After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government

are TO

THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE,

then

we have to be equally credible and more credible. For

example,

" ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments

offer no

medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements

may

be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument

to

convince the rest of the world.

I believe this member's concern had validity and should be

addressed.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in

> fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with

things

> like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also

pretty

> much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the

NWO

> creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks

in

> sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such

predators

> have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in

that

> state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts

to

> prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as

later

> attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very

vile

> act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved

in

> cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the

full

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that

operates

> out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over

a

> three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum.

While

> some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that

places

> like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations

that

> originate at higher levels of government, and can be

considered

> reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and

criminal

> elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my

mind,

> but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for

Obama

> to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to

COG

> operations, including the nod for any murders considered

convenient

> if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just

sound

> observation and common sense.

>

> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES

/

> PROOF OF VACCINE

>

>

> Nato - 101

>

> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome

in

> conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the

Bilderberg

> Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the

Trilaterall

> Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its

various

> offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far

less

> visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in

conjunction

> with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the

monolithic

> proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>

> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as

to

> what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>

> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>

> 2) Abolition of private property.

>

> 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>

> 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>

> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage,

all

> morality, and the institution of communal education for

children.

>

> 6) Abolition of all religion.

>

> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries

and

> create a one-world government. They testified that " all

religion,

> all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could

be

> listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention

constraints

> I will only list one other.

>

> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>

> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you

still

> cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together

despite

> having been spoon fed the information.

>

> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort

to

> access it.

>

http://www.youtube.

com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>

> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles

when

> it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>

> New World Order:

> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

>

http://nwoobserver.

wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>

>

> >

> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is

not

> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a

little

> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers,

chips

> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah.

Is

> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable

events? Our

> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and

facilitation

> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If

we

> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real

and

> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of

a

> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no

doubt

> there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy

theories

> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to

be

> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get

most of

> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have

the

> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube

videos

> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is

a

> > critical time for our cause.

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to

figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic

proof

> of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical

community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets

their

> hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think

each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get

vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just

a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Theresa, a....

Certain statements are (arguably) facts: but how would

you have US support them?

Jane Burgermeister discovered blatant corruption

at various levels of governments and she found

evidence of WHO.swine (mis)management.

Jane very bravely filed charges that

Baxter swine distributed vast quatities of their

patented vaccine with intentionally-potentized

live bird flu virus.

The Austrian Police CEO allotted a case number

recognizing her submission is officially-accepted.

Certain other statements which allegedly contain

the truth, may also contain literal color for impact:

The EU Soviet Politburo demanded their Austrian

Comrades demote the Station Sarge to re-education

at Berchtesgarten.

A new CEO immediately promoted receives

treble-bonus roubles for officiously discovering that

Jane's submission contains not one shred of

admissible evidence that Baxter's fine product

is not exactly in accordance with all approved

protocols, as well as completely complying

with several EU regulatory tests procedures that

are still to be formulated.

Submission filed under " F " for file.

You say " Stop the Conspiracy Theories " ....

I for one have wished that BigMedia

and the White House would kill their own

treasonous conspiracy theory about

Arab terrorists boarding hell-bent Boeings.

Or has official-sanction been updated

with alleging that Tim Osman's

box-cutting charges were actually

wielding Baxter-vaccinizing needles?

" They " are doing everything in their vast

control of power to completely conceal

their evil plan. If world domination by

psychopathic banksters seems to be

" just another conspiracy theory " , be darned sure

that's exactly what they want you to believe.

There are many still-secret classified KGB files,

proving the conspiracy between the NWO and

USSR admin to institute the present Soviet-style

Socialist-Collectivist EU.

All readily-available here online under five bucks

[No, I do not get a cut ;-)}

http://www.junepress.com/coverpic.asp?BID=741

Now the NWO have added this deadly-phony vaccine

campaign to constantly brainwashing US with

“Pth! Conspiracy Theory!” they can now go public

and finalize committing High Treason

http://bit.ly/2Peuot

MikeR

At 12:25 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

Alan, I do NOT believe a is

accusing our group of posting non-

facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts,

and

unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be

useless if

we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt

to

educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be

duplicated, then they

are useless to us.

Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and

present

it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in

order

for that information to be credible.

After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government

are TO

THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE,

then

we have to be equally credible and more credible. For

example,

" ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments

offer no

medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements

may

be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument

to

convince the rest of the world.

I believe this member's concern had validity and should be

addressed.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in

> fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with

things

> like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also

pretty

> much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the

NWO

> creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks

in

> sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such

predators

> have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in

that

> state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts

to

> prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as

later

> attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very

vile

> act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved

in

> cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the

full

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that

operates

> out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over

a

> three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum.

While

> some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that

places

> like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations

that

> originate at higher levels of government, and can be

considered

> reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and

criminal

> elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my

mind,

> but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for

Obama

> to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to

COG

> operations, including the nod for any murders considered

convenient

> if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just

sound

> observation and common sense.

>

> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES

/

> PROOF OF VACCINE

>

>

> Nato - 101

>

> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome

in

> conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the

Bilderberg

> Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the

Trilaterall

> Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its

various

> offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far

less

> visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in

conjunction

> with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the

monolithic

> proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>

> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as

to

> what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>

> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>

> 2) Abolition of private property.

>

> 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>

> 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>

> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage,

all

> morality, and the institution of communal education for

children.

>

> 6) Abolition of all religion.

>

> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries

and

> create a one-world government. They testified that " all

religion,

> all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could

be

> listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention

constraints

> I will only list one other.

>

> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>

> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you

still

> cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together

despite

> having been spoon fed the information.

>

> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort

to

> access it.

>

http://www.youtube.

com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>

> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles

when

> it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>

> New World Order:

> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

>

http://nwoobserver.

wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>

>

> >

> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is

not

> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a

little

> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers,

chips

> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah.

Is

> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable

events? Our

> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and

facilitation

> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If

we

> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real

and

> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of

a

> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no

doubt

> there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy

theories

> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to

be

> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get

most of

> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have

the

> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube

videos

> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is

a

> > critical time for our cause.

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to

figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic

proof

> of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical

community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets

their

> hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think

each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get

vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just

a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Theresa, a....

Certain statements are (arguably) facts: but how would

you have US support them?

Jane Burgermeister discovered blatant corruption

at various levels of governments and she found

evidence of WHO.swine (mis)management.

Jane very bravely filed charges that

Baxter swine distributed vast quatities of their

patented vaccine with intentionally-potentized

live bird flu virus.

The Austrian Police CEO allotted a case number

recognizing her submission is officially-accepted.

Certain other statements which allegedly contain

the truth, may also contain literal color for impact:

The EU Soviet Politburo demanded their Austrian

Comrades demote the Station Sarge to re-education

at Berchtesgarten.

A new CEO immediately promoted receives

treble-bonus roubles for officiously discovering that

Jane's submission contains not one shred of

admissible evidence that Baxter's fine product

is not exactly in accordance with all approved

protocols, as well as completely complying

with several EU regulatory tests procedures that

are still to be formulated.

Submission filed under " F " for file.

You say " Stop the Conspiracy Theories " ....

I for one have wished that BigMedia

and the White House would kill their own

treasonous conspiracy theory about

Arab terrorists boarding hell-bent Boeings.

Or has official-sanction been updated

with alleging that Tim Osman's

box-cutting charges were actually

wielding Baxter-vaccinizing needles?

" They " are doing everything in their vast

control of power to completely conceal

their evil plan. If world domination by

psychopathic banksters seems to be

" just another conspiracy theory " , be darned sure

that's exactly what they want you to believe.

There are many still-secret classified KGB files,

proving the conspiracy between the NWO and

USSR admin to institute the present Soviet-style

Socialist-Collectivist EU.

All readily-available here online under five bucks

[No, I do not get a cut ;-)}

http://www.junepress.com/coverpic.asp?BID=741

Now the NWO have added this deadly-phony vaccine

campaign to constantly brainwashing US with

“Pth! Conspiracy Theory!” they can now go public

and finalize committing High Treason

http://bit.ly/2Peuot

MikeR

At 12:25 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

Alan, I do NOT believe a is

accusing our group of posting non-

facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts,

and

unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be

useless if

we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt

to

educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be

duplicated, then they

are useless to us.

Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and

present

it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in

order

for that information to be credible.

After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government

are TO

THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE,

then

we have to be equally credible and more credible. For

example,

" ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments

offer no

medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements

may

be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument

to

convince the rest of the world.

I believe this member's concern had validity and should be

addressed.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in

> fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with

things

> like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also

pretty

> much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the

NWO

> creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks

in

> sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such

predators

> have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in

that

> state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts

to

> prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as

later

> attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very

vile

> act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved

in

> cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the

full

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that

operates

> out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over

a

> three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum.

While

> some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that

places

> like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations

that

> originate at higher levels of government, and can be

considered

> reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and

criminal

> elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my

mind,

> but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for

Obama

> to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to

COG

> operations, including the nod for any murders considered

convenient

> if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just

sound

> observation and common sense.

>

> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES

/

> PROOF OF VACCINE

>

>

> Nato - 101

>

> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome

in

> conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the

Bilderberg

> Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the

Trilaterall

> Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its

various

> offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far

less

> visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in

conjunction

> with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the

monolithic

> proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>

> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as

to

> what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>

> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>

> 2) Abolition of private property.

>

> 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>

> 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>

> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage,

all

> morality, and the institution of communal education for

children.

>

> 6) Abolition of all religion.

>

> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries

and

> create a one-world government. They testified that " all

religion,

> all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could

be

> listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention

constraints

> I will only list one other.

>

> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>

> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you

still

> cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together

despite

> having been spoon fed the information.

>

> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort

to

> access it.

>

http://www.youtube.

com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>

> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles

when

> it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>

> New World Order:

> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

>

http://nwoobserver.

wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>

>

> >

> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is

not

> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a

little

> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers,

chips

> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah.

Is

> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable

events? Our

> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and

facilitation

> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If

we

> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real

and

> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of

a

> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no

doubt

> there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy

theories

> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to

be

> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get

most of

> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have

the

> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube

videos

> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is

a

> > critical time for our cause.

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to

figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic

proof

> of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical

community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets

their

> hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think

each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get

vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just

a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Theresa, a....

Certain statements are (arguably) facts: but how would

you have US support them?

Jane Burgermeister discovered blatant corruption

at various levels of governments and she found

evidence of WHO.swine (mis)management.

Jane very bravely filed charges that

Baxter swine distributed vast quatities of their

patented vaccine with intentionally-potentized

live bird flu virus.

The Austrian Police CEO allotted a case number

recognizing her submission is officially-accepted.

Certain other statements which allegedly contain

the truth, may also contain literal color for impact:

The EU Soviet Politburo demanded their Austrian

Comrades demote the Station Sarge to re-education

at Berchtesgarten.

A new CEO immediately promoted receives

treble-bonus roubles for officiously discovering that

Jane's submission contains not one shred of

admissible evidence that Baxter's fine product

is not exactly in accordance with all approved

protocols, as well as completely complying

with several EU regulatory tests procedures that

are still to be formulated.

Submission filed under " F " for file.

You say " Stop the Conspiracy Theories " ....

I for one have wished that BigMedia

and the White House would kill their own

treasonous conspiracy theory about

Arab terrorists boarding hell-bent Boeings.

Or has official-sanction been updated

with alleging that Tim Osman's

box-cutting charges were actually

wielding Baxter-vaccinizing needles?

" They " are doing everything in their vast

control of power to completely conceal

their evil plan. If world domination by

psychopathic banksters seems to be

" just another conspiracy theory " , be darned sure

that's exactly what they want you to believe.

There are many still-secret classified KGB files,

proving the conspiracy between the NWO and

USSR admin to institute the present Soviet-style

Socialist-Collectivist EU.

All readily-available here online under five bucks

[No, I do not get a cut ;-)}

http://www.junepress.com/coverpic.asp?BID=741

Now the NWO have added this deadly-phony vaccine

campaign to constantly brainwashing US with

“Pth! Conspiracy Theory!” they can now go public

and finalize committing High Treason

http://bit.ly/2Peuot

MikeR

At 12:25 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

Alan, I do NOT believe a is

accusing our group of posting non-

facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts,

and

unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be

useless if

we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt

to

educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be

duplicated, then they

are useless to us.

Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and

present

it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in

order

for that information to be credible.

After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government

are TO

THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE,

then

we have to be equally credible and more credible. For

example,

" ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments

offer no

medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements

may

be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument

to

convince the rest of the world.

I believe this member's concern had validity and should be

addressed.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>

> If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in

> fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with

things

> like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also

pretty

> much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the

NWO

> creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks

in

> sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such

predators

> have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in

that

> state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

> attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts

to

> prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as

later

> attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very

vile

> act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved

in

> cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the

full

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that

operates

> out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over

a

> three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

> allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum.

While

> some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that

places

> like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations

that

> originate at higher levels of government, and can be

considered

> reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and

criminal

> elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my

mind,

> but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for

Obama

> to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to

COG

> operations, including the nod for any murders considered

convenient

> if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just

sound

> observation and common sense.

>

> From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

> no-forced-vaccination

> Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

> Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES

/

> PROOF OF VACCINE

>

>

> Nato - 101

>

> NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome

in

> conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the

Bilderberg

> Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the

Trilaterall

> Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its

various

> offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far

less

> visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in

conjunction

> with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the

monolithic

> proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>

> In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as

to

> what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>

> 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>

> 2) Abolition of private property.

>

> 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>

> 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>

> 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage,

all

> morality, and the institution of communal education for

children.

>

> 6) Abolition of all religion.

>

> The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

> politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries

and

> create a one-world government. They testified that " all

religion,

> all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

> annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could

be

> listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention

constraints

> I will only list one other.

>

> 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>

> I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you

still

> cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together

despite

> having been spoon fed the information.

>

> It is all right there in front of you with very little effort

to

> access it.

>

http://www.youtube.

com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>

> Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles

when

> it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>

> New World Order:

> World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

>

http://nwoobserver.

wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

> world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>

>

> >

> > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is

not

> > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a

little

> > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers,

chips

> > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah.

Is

> > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable

events? Our

> > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and

facilitation

> > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If

we

> > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real

and

> > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of

a

> > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no

doubt

> there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy

theories

> > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to

be

> > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get

most of

> > my best information from others in this group but I do not have

the

> > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube

videos

> > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is

a

> > critical time for our cause.

> >

> > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to

figure

> > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic

proof

> of

> > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical

community

> > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets

their

> hand

> > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think

each

> > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get

vaccinated.

> > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just

a

> > thought.

> >

> > Peace,

> > a

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

" Some people will always be 100% convinced of what

is 100% wrong. "

Classic comment, Alan ;-)

At 01:58 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

Some people will always been

100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.

[Guest guest]

" Some people will always be 100% convinced of what

is 100% wrong. "

Classic comment, Alan ;-)

At 01:58 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

Some people will always been

100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.

[Guest guest]

I found Jane Bergermeister and her documentation to be responsible,

convincing and credible; interesting that a great deal of her

information came directly from pharma's data keeping themselves. It

would be great if everyone were so meticulous. That's how I would

have folks support their information. She's a good model for us to

emulate.

t

On Oct 3, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Rose wrote:

> Theresa, a....

> Certain statements are (arguably) facts: but how would

> you have US support them?

> Jane Burgermeister discovered blatant corruption

> at various levels of governments and she found

> evidence of WHO.swine (mis)management.

> Jane very bravely filed charges that

> Baxter swine distributed vast quatities of their

> patented vaccine with intentionally-potentized

> live bird flu virus.

> The Austrian Police CEO allotted a case number

> recognizing her submission is officially-accepted.

>

> Certain other statements which allegedly contain

> the truth, may also contain literal color for impact:

> The EU Soviet Politburo demanded their Austrian

> Comrades demote the Station Sarge to re-education

> at Berchtesgarten.

> A new CEO immediately promoted receives

> treble-bonus roubles for officiously discovering that

> Jane's submission contains not one shred of

> admissible evidence that Baxter's fine product

> is not exactly in accordance with all approved

> protocols, as well as completely complying

> with several EU regulatory tests procedures that

> are still to be formulated.

> Submission filed under " F " for file.

>

> You say " Stop the Conspiracy Theories " ....

> I for one have wished that BigMedia

> and the White House would kill their own

> treasonous conspiracy theory about

> Arab terrorists boarding hell-bent Boeings.

>

> Or has official-sanction been updated

> with alleging that Tim Osman's

> box-cutting charges were actually

> wielding Baxter-vaccinizing needles?

>

> " They " are doing everything in their vast

> control of power to completely conceal

> their evil plan. If world domination by

> psychopathic banksters seems to be

> " just another conspiracy theory " , be darned sure

> that's exactly what they want you to believe.

>

> There are many still-secret classified KGB files,

> proving the conspiracy between the NWO and

> USSR admin to institute the present Soviet-style

> Socialist-Collectivist EU.

> All readily-available here online under five bucks

> [No, I do not get a cut ;-)}

> http://www.junepress.com/coverpic.asp?BID=741

>

> Now the NWO have added this deadly-phony vaccine

> campaign to constantly brainwashing US with

> „Pth! Conspiracy Theory!‰ they can now go public

> and finalize committing High Treason

> http://bit.ly/2Peuot

>

> MikeR

>

>

>

> At 12:25 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

>> Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-

>> facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and

>> unsupported facts, though they may be " facts, " tend to be useless if

>> we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to

>> educate and mobilize. If the " facts " cannot be duplicated, then they

>> are useless to us.

>>

>> Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with

>> the " outside, " we need to be able to duplicate information and

>> present

>> it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the information in order

>> for that information to be credible.

>>

>> After all, look at how " credible " big pharma and the government are

>> TO

>> THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE,

>> then

>> we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,

>> " ranting " and including religious elements to our arguments offer no

>> medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices

>> UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may

>> be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to

>> convince the rest of the world.

>>

>> I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.

>>

>> t

>>

>>

>>

>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95% in

>> > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things

>> > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty

>> > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO

>> > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in

>> > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators

>> > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that

>> > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent

>> > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to

>> > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later

>> > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile

>> > act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in

>> > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the

>> full

>> > knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that

>> operates

>> > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a

>> > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same

>> > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While

>> > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that

>> places

>> > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations

>> that

>> > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered

>> > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal

>> > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,

>> > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for

>> Obama

>> > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to

>> COG

>> > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient

>> > if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound

>> > observation and common sense.

>> >

>> > From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>

>> > no-forced-vaccination

>> > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM

>> > Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /

>> > PROOF OF VACCINE

>> >

>> >

>> > Nato - 101

>> >

>> > NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in

>> > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg

>> > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall

>> > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself through its various

>> > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less

>> > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in

>> conjunction

>> > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic

>> > proportion of what it is were dealing with.

>> >

>> > In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to

>> > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.

>> >

>> > 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.

>> >

>> > 2) Abolition of private property.

>> >

>> > 3) Abolition of inheritance.

>> >

>> > 4) Abolition of patriotism.

>> >

>> > 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all

>> > morality, and the institution of communal education for children.

>> >

>> > 6) Abolition of all religion.

>> >

>> > The purposes of these six points are to divide the people

>> > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and

>> > create a one-world government. They testified that " all religion,

>> > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be

>> > annihilated. .. " Certainly there are other points that could be

>> > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention

>> constraints

>> > I will only list one other.

>> >

>> > 7) Massive Global Depopulation.

>> >

>> > I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you

>> still

>> > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite

>> > having been spoon fed the information.

>> >

>> > It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to

>> > access it.

>> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_ 8

>> >

>> > Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when

>> > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.

>> >

>> > New World Order:

>> > World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20

>> > http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-

>> > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/

>> >

>> >

>> > >

>> > > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is

>> not

>> > > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a

>> little

>> > > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers,

>> chips

>> > > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is

>> > > there any chance we could keep our posting to verifiable

>> events? Our

>> > > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation

>> > > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we

>> > > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real

>> and

>> > > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a

>> > > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no

>> doubt

>> > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories

>> > > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be

>> > > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get

>> most of

>> > > my best information from others in this group but I do not have

>> the

>> > > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube

>> videos

>> > > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a

>> > > critical time for our cause.

>> > >

>> > > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to

>> figure

>> > > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic

>> proof

>> > of

>> > > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical

>> community

>> > > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their

>> > hand

>> > > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think

>> each

>> > > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get

>> vaccinated.

>> > > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a

>> > > thought.

>> > >

>> > > Peace,

>> > > a

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

In general, you are right enough, but you overlook the meaning of "religious" exemptions for vaccines. If there is a religious exemption, then the two isssues cannot be separated. There is a sound reason for that exemption, that the exercise of free moral agency under that umbrella is the only guarantee against the violation of all personal rights by the arbitary whims of government; in fact, our own government was founded with that vital consideration and protection built into it. Most relgious topics do NOT belong here, but you cannot dismiss this "religious principle" from forced vaccination issues without conceding your own right to exemption to whatever government claims authority. I'm not sure you understand how it is that ONLY the existence of a

moral agency that goes beyond human affairs is the only way to protect people such evils. It is a very vital point that remains even if the Nuremberg Code and all other legistlative safeguards vanish.

From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 2:30:10 AMSubject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINEThanks for this, Alan. I appreciate both of your points, and it's reassuring to hear your response.Nevertheless, I'm not trying to open a discussion about faith; rather, simply trying to make sure that the list maintains credibility. It has been established in the past by members of the group, and by the moderators, that any religious or spiritual assertions are inappropriate to this list (in addition to a number of other types of posts, not necessarily

related to personal convictions). It has nothing to do with your beliefs or mine.While we all obviously have strong beliefs, religious, personal and philosophical, and while (I believe) all of us are opposed to using any vaccines for any purpose, even defeating the actual existence and manufacture of vaccines themselves isn't the stated purpose of this group. The focus needs to remain on, at least for the foreseeable time, defeating ANY forced vaccination of any person at any time.I am always impressed by the thought and background which you put into your posts; it is clear that you have a body of knowledge and a sincere intention to educate people and make our cause truly helpful and empowering. However, I would still assert that within the stated boundaries of this group (and they are appropriate), it is still not

ok to make religious, spiritual or personal references, BUT MOST of all, it is actually harmful to our goals to include them, regardless of what "the other side" is doing.The mainstream already has credibility out the whazoo, whether they deserve it or not. We have to not only compete with that credibility, but we have to supersede it, and the only way to do that is to establish an appeal and an empathy that works for large numbers of unenlightened people.Respectfully,TheresaOn Oct 3, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> I'm afraid my answer came across as curt, a bit rude, I'm sorry, in > a rush lately. I actually agree with what you said, which is why I > make an effort to guard against hearsay and rumor. But I'm also >

attempting to salute the numerous and outstanding contributions of > most of the members of the group. I'm not aware of any "rants," > actually. I've heard many of those and can recognize them for what > they are, of course. I've been accused of "rants" myself by people > who believe that vaccine effectiveness is sound logic, though most > of us would not call it a rant; in fact, going by all the logic that > supported graduate level research in my own work, there is no valid > scientific basis for such a conclusion. One answer or the other, > however, is correct and the other wrong. Some people will always > been 100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.>> Then the issue of "religion." Did you notice that the secular NWO > premises include a state supported "religion." A religion can be

> loosely defined as a set of values and beliefs that vary from > religion to religion, so a state supported "religion" aims to > eliminate conflicts by establishing a universal moral code. The > error in such thinking hinges on the belief that neither scientific > principles nor moral values can be arbitrarily determined by any > institution, but that they exist independently of that. This is the > basis of a universal and higher power that transcends the realm of > humanity, and make no mistake, we will never win out over the NWO > without that belief in a higher power. In that sense, God is > anything but a religion, but a reality that must be assumed by a > rational being, and for many it is an undeniable experience as well. > As result, any; affirmations about the reality of God by people on

> this list are just as crucial to progress as are the technical > details and objective observations that determine the truth about > whether or not vaccines or other pharmaceuticals meet the tests for > either preventing disease or causing it. It sort of works like this, > 1 and 1 is 2 because God made it that way, the NWO cannot > arbitrarily decide that 1 and 1 is 3. Along the same lines, we have > been endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator... no > institution of man can take those away, nor can it tell us that > 1+1=3, nor that vaccines work. To say that the truth is otherwise is > also an assertion of valid spiritual faith, not religion.>> From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>> To:

no-forced-vaccination > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 11:25:43 PM> Subject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY > THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE>> Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-> facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and> unsupported facts, though they may be "facts," tend to be useless if> we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to> educate and mobilize. If the "facts" cannot be duplicated, then they> are useless to us.>> Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with> the "outside," we need to be able to duplicate information and present> it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the

information in order> for that information to be credible.>> After all, look at how "credible" big pharma and the government are TO> THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then> we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,> "ranting" and including religious elements to our arguments offer no> medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices> UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may> be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to> convince the rest of the world.>> I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.>> t>>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> >> > If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in> > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things> > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty> > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO> > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in> > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators> > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that> > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent> > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to> > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later> > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile> > act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in> > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full>

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates> > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a> > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same> > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While> > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places> > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that> > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered> > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal> > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,> > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama> > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG> > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient> >

if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound> > observation and common sense.> >> > From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>> > no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM> > Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /> > PROOF OF VACCINE> >> >> > Nato - 101> >> > NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in> > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg> > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall> > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself

through its various> > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less> > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction> > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic> > proportion of what it is were dealing with.> >> > In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to> > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.> >> > 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.> >> > 2) Abolition of private property.> >> > 3) Abolition of inheritance.> >> > 4) Abolition of patriotism.> >> > 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all> > morality, and the institution of communal education for children.> >> > 6) Abolition of all religion.>

>> > The purposes of these six points are to divide the people> > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and> > create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion,> > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be> > annihilated. .." Certainly there are other points that could be> > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints> > I will only list one other.> >> > 7) Massive Global Depopulation.> >> > I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still> > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite> > having been spoon fed the information.> >> > It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to> > access it.> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_

8> >> > Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when> > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.> >> > New World Order:> > World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20> > http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-> > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/> >> > > > >> > > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is > not> > > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a > little> > > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, > chips> > > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is> > > there any

chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? > Our> > > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation> > > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we> > > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real > and> > > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a> > > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt> > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories> > > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be> > > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get > most of> > > my best information from others in this group but I do not have > the> > > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube >

videos> > > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a> > > critical time for our cause.> > >> > > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to > figure> > > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof> > of> > > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community> > > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their> > hand> > > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think > each> > > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get > vaccinated.> > > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a> > > thought.> > >> > > Peace,> > > a> > >> >>

>> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

In general, you are right enough, but you overlook the meaning of "religious" exemptions for vaccines. If there is a religious exemption, then the two isssues cannot be separated. There is a sound reason for that exemption, that the exercise of free moral agency under that umbrella is the only guarantee against the violation of all personal rights by the arbitary whims of government; in fact, our own government was founded with that vital consideration and protection built into it. Most relgious topics do NOT belong here, but you cannot dismiss this "religious principle" from forced vaccination issues without conceding your own right to exemption to whatever government claims authority. I'm not sure you understand how it is that ONLY the existence of a

moral agency that goes beyond human affairs is the only way to protect people such evils. It is a very vital point that remains even if the Nuremberg Code and all other legistlative safeguards vanish.

From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 2:30:10 AMSubject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINEThanks for this, Alan. I appreciate both of your points, and it's reassuring to hear your response.Nevertheless, I'm not trying to open a discussion about faith; rather, simply trying to make sure that the list maintains credibility. It has been established in the past by members of the group, and by the moderators, that any religious or spiritual assertions are inappropriate to this list (in addition to a number of other types of posts, not necessarily

related to personal convictions). It has nothing to do with your beliefs or mine.While we all obviously have strong beliefs, religious, personal and philosophical, and while (I believe) all of us are opposed to using any vaccines for any purpose, even defeating the actual existence and manufacture of vaccines themselves isn't the stated purpose of this group. The focus needs to remain on, at least for the foreseeable time, defeating ANY forced vaccination of any person at any time.I am always impressed by the thought and background which you put into your posts; it is clear that you have a body of knowledge and a sincere intention to educate people and make our cause truly helpful and empowering. However, I would still assert that within the stated boundaries of this group (and they are appropriate), it is still not

ok to make religious, spiritual or personal references, BUT MOST of all, it is actually harmful to our goals to include them, regardless of what "the other side" is doing.The mainstream already has credibility out the whazoo, whether they deserve it or not. We have to not only compete with that credibility, but we have to supersede it, and the only way to do that is to establish an appeal and an empathy that works for large numbers of unenlightened people.Respectfully,TheresaOn Oct 3, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> I'm afraid my answer came across as curt, a bit rude, I'm sorry, in > a rush lately. I actually agree with what you said, which is why I > make an effort to guard against hearsay and rumor. But I'm also >

attempting to salute the numerous and outstanding contributions of > most of the members of the group. I'm not aware of any "rants," > actually. I've heard many of those and can recognize them for what > they are, of course. I've been accused of "rants" myself by people > who believe that vaccine effectiveness is sound logic, though most > of us would not call it a rant; in fact, going by all the logic that > supported graduate level research in my own work, there is no valid > scientific basis for such a conclusion. One answer or the other, > however, is correct and the other wrong. Some people will always > been 100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.>> Then the issue of "religion." Did you notice that the secular NWO > premises include a state supported "religion." A religion can be

> loosely defined as a set of values and beliefs that vary from > religion to religion, so a state supported "religion" aims to > eliminate conflicts by establishing a universal moral code. The > error in such thinking hinges on the belief that neither scientific > principles nor moral values can be arbitrarily determined by any > institution, but that they exist independently of that. This is the > basis of a universal and higher power that transcends the realm of > humanity, and make no mistake, we will never win out over the NWO > without that belief in a higher power. In that sense, God is > anything but a religion, but a reality that must be assumed by a > rational being, and for many it is an undeniable experience as well. > As result, any; affirmations about the reality of God by people on

> this list are just as crucial to progress as are the technical > details and objective observations that determine the truth about > whether or not vaccines or other pharmaceuticals meet the tests for > either preventing disease or causing it. It sort of works like this, > 1 and 1 is 2 because God made it that way, the NWO cannot > arbitrarily decide that 1 and 1 is 3. Along the same lines, we have > been endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator... no > institution of man can take those away, nor can it tell us that > 1+1=3, nor that vaccines work. To say that the truth is otherwise is > also an assertion of valid spiritual faith, not religion.>> From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>> To:

no-forced-vaccination > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 11:25:43 PM> Subject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY > THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE>> Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-> facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and> unsupported facts, though they may be "facts," tend to be useless if> we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to> educate and mobilize. If the "facts" cannot be duplicated, then they> are useless to us.>> Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with> the "outside," we need to be able to duplicate information and present> it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the

information in order> for that information to be credible.>> After all, look at how "credible" big pharma and the government are TO> THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then> we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,> "ranting" and including religious elements to our arguments offer no> medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices> UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may> be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to> convince the rest of the world.>> I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.>> t>>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> >> > If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in> > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things> > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty> > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO> > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in> > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators> > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that> > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent> > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to> > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later> > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile> > act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in> > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full>

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates> > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a> > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same> > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While> > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places> > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that> > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered> > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal> > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,> > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama> > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG> > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient> >

if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound> > observation and common sense.> >> > From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>> > no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM> > Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /> > PROOF OF VACCINE> >> >> > Nato - 101> >> > NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in> > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg> > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall> > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself

through its various> > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less> > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction> > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic> > proportion of what it is were dealing with.> >> > In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to> > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.> >> > 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.> >> > 2) Abolition of private property.> >> > 3) Abolition of inheritance.> >> > 4) Abolition of patriotism.> >> > 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all> > morality, and the institution of communal education for children.> >> > 6) Abolition of all religion.>

>> > The purposes of these six points are to divide the people> > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and> > create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion,> > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be> > annihilated. .." Certainly there are other points that could be> > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints> > I will only list one other.> >> > 7) Massive Global Depopulation.> >> > I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still> > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite> > having been spoon fed the information.> >> > It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to> > access it.> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_

8> >> > Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when> > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.> >> > New World Order:> > World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20> > http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-> > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/> >> > > > >> > > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is > not> > > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a > little> > > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, > chips> > > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is> > > there any

chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? > Our> > > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation> > > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we> > > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real > and> > > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a> > > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt> > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories> > > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be> > > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get > most of> > > my best information from others in this group but I do not have > the> > > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube >

videos> > > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a> > > critical time for our cause.> > >> > > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to > figure> > > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof> > of> > > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community> > > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their> > hand> > > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think > each> > > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get > vaccinated.> > > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a> > > thought.> > >> > > Peace,> > > a> > >> >>

>> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

In general, you are right enough, but you overlook the meaning of "religious" exemptions for vaccines. If there is a religious exemption, then the two isssues cannot be separated. There is a sound reason for that exemption, that the exercise of free moral agency under that umbrella is the only guarantee against the violation of all personal rights by the arbitary whims of government; in fact, our own government was founded with that vital consideration and protection built into it. Most relgious topics do NOT belong here, but you cannot dismiss this "religious principle" from forced vaccination issues without conceding your own right to exemption to whatever government claims authority. I'm not sure you understand how it is that ONLY the existence of a

moral agency that goes beyond human affairs is the only way to protect people such evils. It is a very vital point that remains even if the Nuremberg Code and all other legistlative safeguards vanish.

From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 2:30:10 AMSubject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINEThanks for this, Alan. I appreciate both of your points, and it's reassuring to hear your response.Nevertheless, I'm not trying to open a discussion about faith; rather, simply trying to make sure that the list maintains credibility. It has been established in the past by members of the group, and by the moderators, that any religious or spiritual assertions are inappropriate to this list (in addition to a number of other types of posts, not necessarily

related to personal convictions). It has nothing to do with your beliefs or mine.While we all obviously have strong beliefs, religious, personal and philosophical, and while (I believe) all of us are opposed to using any vaccines for any purpose, even defeating the actual existence and manufacture of vaccines themselves isn't the stated purpose of this group. The focus needs to remain on, at least for the foreseeable time, defeating ANY forced vaccination of any person at any time.I am always impressed by the thought and background which you put into your posts; it is clear that you have a body of knowledge and a sincere intention to educate people and make our cause truly helpful and empowering. However, I would still assert that within the stated boundaries of this group (and they are appropriate), it is still not

ok to make religious, spiritual or personal references, BUT MOST of all, it is actually harmful to our goals to include them, regardless of what "the other side" is doing.The mainstream already has credibility out the whazoo, whether they deserve it or not. We have to not only compete with that credibility, but we have to supersede it, and the only way to do that is to establish an appeal and an empathy that works for large numbers of unenlightened people.Respectfully,TheresaOn Oct 3, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> I'm afraid my answer came across as curt, a bit rude, I'm sorry, in > a rush lately. I actually agree with what you said, which is why I > make an effort to guard against hearsay and rumor. But I'm also >

attempting to salute the numerous and outstanding contributions of > most of the members of the group. I'm not aware of any "rants," > actually. I've heard many of those and can recognize them for what > they are, of course. I've been accused of "rants" myself by people > who believe that vaccine effectiveness is sound logic, though most > of us would not call it a rant; in fact, going by all the logic that > supported graduate level research in my own work, there is no valid > scientific basis for such a conclusion. One answer or the other, > however, is correct and the other wrong. Some people will always > been 100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.>> Then the issue of "religion." Did you notice that the secular NWO > premises include a state supported "religion." A religion can be

> loosely defined as a set of values and beliefs that vary from > religion to religion, so a state supported "religion" aims to > eliminate conflicts by establishing a universal moral code. The > error in such thinking hinges on the belief that neither scientific > principles nor moral values can be arbitrarily determined by any > institution, but that they exist independently of that. This is the > basis of a universal and higher power that transcends the realm of > humanity, and make no mistake, we will never win out over the NWO > without that belief in a higher power. In that sense, God is > anything but a religion, but a reality that must be assumed by a > rational being, and for many it is an undeniable experience as well. > As result, any; affirmations about the reality of God by people on

> this list are just as crucial to progress as are the technical > details and objective observations that determine the truth about > whether or not vaccines or other pharmaceuticals meet the tests for > either preventing disease or causing it. It sort of works like this, > 1 and 1 is 2 because God made it that way, the NWO cannot > arbitrarily decide that 1 and 1 is 3. Along the same lines, we have > been endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator... no > institution of man can take those away, nor can it tell us that > 1+1=3, nor that vaccines work. To say that the truth is otherwise is > also an assertion of valid spiritual faith, not religion.>> From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>> To:

no-forced-vaccination > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 11:25:43 PM> Subject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY > THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE>> Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-> facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and> unsupported facts, though they may be "facts," tend to be useless if> we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to> educate and mobilize. If the "facts" cannot be duplicated, then they> are useless to us.>> Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with> the "outside," we need to be able to duplicate information and present> it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the

information in order> for that information to be credible.>> After all, look at how "credible" big pharma and the government are TO> THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then> we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,> "ranting" and including religious elements to our arguments offer no> medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices> UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may> be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to> convince the rest of the world.>> I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.>> t>>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> >> > If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in> > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things> > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty> > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO> > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in> > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators> > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that> > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent> > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to> > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later> > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile> > act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in> > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full>

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates> > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a> > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same> > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While> > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places> > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that> > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered> > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal> > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,> > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama> > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG> > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient> >

if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound> > observation and common sense.> >> > From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>> > no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM> > Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /> > PROOF OF VACCINE> >> >> > Nato - 101> >> > NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in> > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg> > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall> > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself

through its various> > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less> > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction> > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic> > proportion of what it is were dealing with.> >> > In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to> > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.> >> > 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.> >> > 2) Abolition of private property.> >> > 3) Abolition of inheritance.> >> > 4) Abolition of patriotism.> >> > 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all> > morality, and the institution of communal education for children.> >> > 6) Abolition of all religion.>

>> > The purposes of these six points are to divide the people> > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and> > create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion,> > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be> > annihilated. .." Certainly there are other points that could be> > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints> > I will only list one other.> >> > 7) Massive Global Depopulation.> >> > I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still> > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite> > having been spoon fed the information.> >> > It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to> > access it.> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_

8> >> > Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when> > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.> >> > New World Order:> > World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20> > http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-> > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/> >> > > > >> > > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is > not> > > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a > little> > > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, > chips> > > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is> > > there any

chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? > Our> > > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation> > > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we> > > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real > and> > > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a> > > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt> > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories> > > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be> > > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get > most of> > > my best information from others in this group but I do not have > the> > > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube >

videos> > > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a> > > critical time for our cause.> > >> > > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to > figure> > > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof> > of> > > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community> > > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their> > hand> > > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think > each> > > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get > vaccinated.> > > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a> > > thought.> > >> > > Peace,> > > a> > >> >>

>> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

In general, you are right enough, but you overlook the meaning of "religious" exemptions for vaccines. If there is a religious exemption, then the two isssues cannot be separated. There is a sound reason for that exemption, that the exercise of free moral agency under that umbrella is the only guarantee against the violation of all personal rights by the arbitary whims of government; in fact, our own government was founded with that vital consideration and protection built into it. Most relgious topics do NOT belong here, but you cannot dismiss this "religious principle" from forced vaccination issues without conceding your own right to exemption to whatever government claims authority. I'm not sure you understand how it is that ONLY the existence of a

moral agency that goes beyond human affairs is the only way to protect people such evils. It is a very vital point that remains even if the Nuremberg Code and all other legistlative safeguards vanish.

From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 2:30:10 AMSubject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINEThanks for this, Alan. I appreciate both of your points, and it's reassuring to hear your response.Nevertheless, I'm not trying to open a discussion about faith; rather, simply trying to make sure that the list maintains credibility. It has been established in the past by members of the group, and by the moderators, that any religious or spiritual assertions are inappropriate to this list (in addition to a number of other types of posts, not necessarily

related to personal convictions). It has nothing to do with your beliefs or mine.While we all obviously have strong beliefs, religious, personal and philosophical, and while (I believe) all of us are opposed to using any vaccines for any purpose, even defeating the actual existence and manufacture of vaccines themselves isn't the stated purpose of this group. The focus needs to remain on, at least for the foreseeable time, defeating ANY forced vaccination of any person at any time.I am always impressed by the thought and background which you put into your posts; it is clear that you have a body of knowledge and a sincere intention to educate people and make our cause truly helpful and empowering. However, I would still assert that within the stated boundaries of this group (and they are appropriate), it is still not

ok to make religious, spiritual or personal references, BUT MOST of all, it is actually harmful to our goals to include them, regardless of what "the other side" is doing.The mainstream already has credibility out the whazoo, whether they deserve it or not. We have to not only compete with that credibility, but we have to supersede it, and the only way to do that is to establish an appeal and an empathy that works for large numbers of unenlightened people.Respectfully,TheresaOn Oct 3, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> I'm afraid my answer came across as curt, a bit rude, I'm sorry, in > a rush lately. I actually agree with what you said, which is why I > make an effort to guard against hearsay and rumor. But I'm also >

attempting to salute the numerous and outstanding contributions of > most of the members of the group. I'm not aware of any "rants," > actually. I've heard many of those and can recognize them for what > they are, of course. I've been accused of "rants" myself by people > who believe that vaccine effectiveness is sound logic, though most > of us would not call it a rant; in fact, going by all the logic that > supported graduate level research in my own work, there is no valid > scientific basis for such a conclusion. One answer or the other, > however, is correct and the other wrong. Some people will always > been 100% convinced of what is 100% wrong.>> Then the issue of "religion." Did you notice that the secular NWO > premises include a state supported "religion." A religion can be

> loosely defined as a set of values and beliefs that vary from > religion to religion, so a state supported "religion" aims to > eliminate conflicts by establishing a universal moral code. The > error in such thinking hinges on the belief that neither scientific > principles nor moral values can be arbitrarily determined by any > institution, but that they exist independently of that. This is the > basis of a universal and higher power that transcends the realm of > humanity, and make no mistake, we will never win out over the NWO > without that belief in a higher power. In that sense, God is > anything but a religion, but a reality that must be assumed by a > rational being, and for many it is an undeniable experience as well. > As result, any; affirmations about the reality of God by people on

> this list are just as crucial to progress as are the technical > details and objective observations that determine the truth about > whether or not vaccines or other pharmaceuticals meet the tests for > either preventing disease or causing it. It sort of works like this, > 1 and 1 is 2 because God made it that way, the NWO cannot > arbitrarily decide that 1 and 1 is 3. Along the same lines, we have > been endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator... no > institution of man can take those away, nor can it tell us that > 1+1=3, nor that vaccines work. To say that the truth is otherwise is > also an assertion of valid spiritual faith, not religion.>> From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>> To:

no-forced-vaccination > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 11:25:43 PM> Subject: Re: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY > THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE>> Alan, I do NOT believe a is accusing our group of posting non-> facts. The concern is that folks are posting UNSUPPORTED facts, and> unsupported facts, though they may be "facts," tend to be useless if> we want to take these facts to the community at large and attempt to> educate and mobilize. If the "facts" cannot be duplicated, then they> are useless to us.>> Since one of the missions of the group is to share information with> the "outside," we need to be able to duplicate information and present> it in a fashion that outsiders can duplicate the

information in order> for that information to be credible.>> After all, look at how "credible" big pharma and the government are TO> THE GENERAL POPULATION. If we want to be as convincing AND MORE, then> we have to be equally credible and more credible. For example,> "ranting" and including religious elements to our arguments offer no> medical information that can be duplicated, and these practices> UTTERLY DESTROY our credibility as a group. While these elements may> be important to some of us, they are not relevant to the argument to> convince the rest of the world.>> I believe this member's concern had validity and should be addressed.>> t>>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Alan Foossolvesunified.com wrote:>> >> > If you've been here long, you'll know that this group deals 95%

in> > fact, not in theories. Sometimes we get a bit off track with things> > like the dead sailors, and the Hardin Montana flap is also pretty> > much small town nonsense, though it is true enough that the NWO> > creeps all the way up to the White House are up to their necks in> > sleaze. Note that Hardin is near a reservation where such predators> > have always been rooted. An example is my own experiences in that> > state. On the Ft Peck, two well known FBI agents and prominent> > attorneys did in fact murder two children in 92, but my efforts to> > prevent that were ignored deliberately by the AG, aas well as later> > attempts to bring about awareness of that very real and very vile> > act. Nor is it theory that these same people have been involved in> > cocaine distribution and numerous murders for decades, with the full>

> knowledge and consent of Clinton and Bush. The hub for that operates> > out of Missoula next to the DOJ, and I witnessed the same over a> > three month period in 2004, the MO fitting exactly the same> > allegations made a decade earlier by now murdered Chip Tatum. While> > some of this is small town trouble as usual, the fact is that places> > like Montana are particularly vulnerable to criminal operations that> > originate at higher levels of government, and can be considered> > reliable indicators of the degree to which treasonous and criminal> > elements have taken over. Bush wasn't such a great liar in my mind,> > but Clinton was a real snake, and it would not be possible for Obama> > to avoid being in the loop on the cocaine racket and its link to COG> > operations, including the nod for any murders considered convenient> >

if necessary to avoid too much exposure. Not theories, just sound> > observation and common sense.> >> > From: Tom <mentalalchemist@...>> > no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Fri, October 2, 2009 12:55:01 PM> > Subject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES /> > PROOF OF VACCINE> >> >> > Nato - 101> >> > NATO's political agenda is in fact directed by the Club of Rome in> > conjuction and collusion with its sister bodies of the Bilderberg> > Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, the Trilaterall> > Commission, and yes the United Nations itself

through its various> > offices of UNESCO, and the WHO, and many other of the UN's far less> > visible bodies. Add in the multitude of NGO's working in conjunction> > with the agenda and you will eventually comprehend the monolithic> > proportion of what it is were dealing with.> >> > In case your time constraints neccesitate a short synopsis as to> > what they are up to I will give you a quick rundown.> >> > 1) Abolition of the Monarchy and all ordered government.> >> > 2) Abolition of private property.> >> > 3) Abolition of inheritance.> >> > 4) Abolition of patriotism.> >> > 5) Abolition of the family, through the abolition of marriage, all> > morality, and the institution of communal education for children.> >> > 6) Abolition of all religion.>

>> > The purposes of these six points are to divide the people> > politically, socially, and economically; to weaken countries and> > create a one-world government. They testified that "all religion,> > all love of country and loyalty to sovereigns, were to be> > annihilated. .." Certainly there are other points that could be> > listed, but for the sake of generalization and attention constraints> > I will only list one other.> >> > 7) Massive Global Depopulation.> >> > I am sometimes bewildered at many of you in the forum that you still> > cannot put the obvious pieces of the Global Puzzle together despite> > having been spoon fed the information.> >> > It is all right there in front of you with very little effort to> > access it.> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jM6US0Qk5_

8> >> > Until you you do you will remain in a state blathering mumbles when> > it comes to your grasp of the geopolitical reality.> >> > New World Order:> > World Communism, Club of Rome Tells G20> > http://nwoobserver. wordpress. com/2009/ 08/29/new- world-order- i-> > world-communis m-club-of- rome-tells- g20/> >> > > > >> > > I am not naive. I believe there is much done in secrecy that is > not> > > to our benefit. But this group is starting to drive me just a > little> > > crazy with the wild stories of graves, coffins, dead soldiers, > chips> > > implanted in those who refuse the vaccine, blah, blah, blah. Is> > > there any

chance we could keep our posting to verifiable events? > Our> > > group's focus is to maintain freedom of choice and facilitation> > > of verifiable information to others who share our concern. If we> > > reach out beyond this immense issue too often, all that is real > and> > > should cause great concern gets lost in creepy stories of a> > > government plotting against us. Perhaps there is a group (no doubt> > there are many!) that are up to their necks in conspiracy theories> > > but our intent is not to regurgitate every rumor heard but to be> > > constructive in our approach to avoiding vaccinations. I get > most of> > > my best information from others in this group but I do not have > the> > > time to wade through epic length emails leading me to youtube >

videos> > > as its confirmation of fact. We need to focus here. This is a> > > critical time for our cause.> > >> > > Here is an idea that could be of use to the group. We need to > figure> > > out a way that we can duplicate many times over an authentic proof> > of> > > vaccination. There are not enough members in the medical community> > > to hand out actual cards but if someone in this group gets their> > hand> > > on one, let's see if we can find a way to duplicate it. I think > each> > > of us must know someone in their area that plans to get > vaccinated.> > > Sharing that proof with others could be very helpful. Just a> > > thought.> > >> > > Peace,> > > a> > >> >>

>> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a, but no thanks. I'd make more concrete plans to avoid

vaccines and guess most of the group will agree on this. Sorry, but

this idea from a just seems so naive I have to think its got no

credibility.

On the issue with conspiracy theory being discussed on the list, I

personally am able to go out and verify the facts and make informed

choice instead of listening to the corporate controlled main stream

media. It makes more sense that everyone know WHERE the forced vaccine

agenda is coming from and WHY and those naturally lead to discussions of

quarantine and martial law etc. Thats to be expected. Anyone who says

otherwise is suspect.

- Harish

prstein10 wrote:

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> I mean by " cards " -- whatever is being used to show proof of

> vaccination. It may be a sheet of paper or a small card. My sister

> will be getting vaccinated to keep her job as a healthcare worker.

> (No interest in listening to her big sister!) She lives in Wisconsin

> and I live in Minnesota but I will ask to see what she is given to

> show proof of vaccination. It would be easy enough to duplicate and

> use for myself if it becomes necessary. I would be willing to make

> copies for others to use.

>

[Guest guest]

The fuss isn't about the fed's "voluntary" rhetoric, but about numerous state contingency plans to indefnitely detain, seize property, set up roadblocks, etc, in case the governor decides to invoke these plans unilaterally and without any other input. Are you new to the list? Such plans are subject to change and may be found, ummm, well, google "state pandemic plans flu" - should be first list to come up. Montana, Illinois, others have such language, including the use of the military and other agencies to enforce them. You've heard about politics and passing the buck, right? Anyway, WHO declared the swine flu a level six pandemic months ago, the highest level, long before there were but a handful of cases. This obligates member countries to put such plans into place, not necessarily to carry them out,

however....

From: a Francia <albanuova2005@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 7:02:05 PMSubject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

I'm not American but I have found this site http://www.flu. gov/news/ blogs/vaccinevol untary.html

Flu Fact: H1N1 Flu Vaccination is VOLUNTARY

September 28, 2009

There is currently a petition circulating on a few internet sites protesting the federal government’s “mandatory†H1N1 vaccination program. Here’s a flu fact for you: the federal vaccination program for H1N1 flu is VOLUNTARY, just like the seasonal flu vaccination program. Top federal health officials highly recommend that people get vaccinated, and they stress that the vaccine is the best defense against the 2009 H1N1 flu. People with underlying health conditions like asthma or diabetes, health care workers, pregnant women, caregivers for infants under six months of age, and children and young adults from six months to 24 years of age are especially encouraged to participate in this vaccination program. The vaccine will be available to anyone who wants it, and the decision to get vaccinated is up to each individual.

Note: In a few local jurisdictions, vaccination is being required for health care workers. That is a local decision, not a federal one.

Why you think that the vaccination is mandatory?

Sorry for my english

Dany

[Guest guest]

The fuss isn't about the fed's "voluntary" rhetoric, but about numerous state contingency plans to indefnitely detain, seize property, set up roadblocks, etc, in case the governor decides to invoke these plans unilaterally and without any other input. Are you new to the list? Such plans are subject to change and may be found, ummm, well, google "state pandemic plans flu" - should be first list to come up. Montana, Illinois, others have such language, including the use of the military and other agencies to enforce them. You've heard about politics and passing the buck, right? Anyway, WHO declared the swine flu a level six pandemic months ago, the highest level, long before there were but a handful of cases. This obligates member countries to put such plans into place, not necessarily to carry them out,

however....

From: a Francia <albanuova2005@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 7:02:05 PMSubject: Re: STOP THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES / PROOF OF VACCINE

I'm not American but I have found this site http://www.flu. gov/news/ blogs/vaccinevol untary.html

Flu Fact: H1N1 Flu Vaccination is VOLUNTARY

September 28, 2009

There is currently a petition circulating on a few internet sites protesting the federal government’s “mandatory†H1N1 vaccination program. Here’s a flu fact for you: the federal vaccination program for H1N1 flu is VOLUNTARY, just like the seasonal flu vaccination program. Top federal health officials highly recommend that people get vaccinated, and they stress that the vaccine is the best defense against the 2009 H1N1 flu. People with underlying health conditions like asthma or diabetes, health care workers, pregnant women, caregivers for infants under six months of age, and children and young adults from six months to 24 years of age are especially encouraged to participate in this vaccination program. The vaccine will be available to anyone who wants it, and the decision to get vaccinated is up to each individual.

Note: In a few local jurisdictions, vaccination is being required for health care workers. That is a local decision, not a federal one.

Why you think that the vaccination is mandatory?

Sorry for my english

Dany