Re: Has anyone else ever heard that Dr. Rima and the General are paid opposition?

[Guest guest]

Ralph Fucetola here.

Let me, as the co-trustee to Dr. Rima and Gen. Bert, state: we are not " paid

opposition " -- if we were, we wouldn't be begging for support all the time! We

are supported by many small donations by a small percentage of the people on the

Health Freedom USA emailing list.

The only practical way you can know if someone is " controlled opposition " is to

watch what they say and do. The prime warning signal is when someone backs off a

principled position because " the other side " might take offense.

Political, or educational, movements that are more concerned over what " the

other side " thinks than in clearly stating principled positions are controlled

opposition.

We have never done that and, in fact, I've been told by some " old hands " in the

" movement " that they were concerned that we are not being civil and would cause

" the other side " to become angry. Thus their behavior is controlled by the

desires of " the other side. "

On the other hand, real opposition speaks truth to power and does not offer

meaningless compromises.

A good case in point is a bit off topic for No Forced Vaccines, but is a clear

example.

On the issue of the fake " food safety " bills S. 510 and S.3767, we've remained

in total opposition, but have called upon Congress to amend US law by adopting

what we call the Food Freedom Amendment that would get Federal regulators off

the backs of local food production. That's principled opposition.

On the other hand, some farmer and rancher groups are supporting the Tester

Amendment that would offer a little bit of protection to some small farms, but

as a result of the definitions used, would apply to only a tiny fraction of the

family farms and community gardens. That proposal is an example of a " controlled

opposition " operation.

If you feel you need to rehash old charges and answers, you can read " The Truth

is Our Defense " - http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=1694

'Nough said.

Ralph

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> I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person has

mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight

against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to put

us on a list of trouble makers etc…

>

> Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever it

comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we the

people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but this is not re-hashing it's new to me and probably many others and

your response is exactly what I have been looking for. See I've held this

debate on my own face book page as I have quite the following on there and no

one really could figure it out. I was on Dr. Rima's side and will be reposting

this discussion on my fb page as well to help others realize this rumor is not

true. Because I have to admit I myself even though I didn't believe it held

back for a short period of time in signing your petitions till I did some

research and felt as though it was on the up and up.

I will read that article and post to my fb as well. We don't need anyone

humming and hawing over whether they should sign your petitions because of some

stupid rumour!

While I have your attention. Is it just me or did I read the other day that

Obama went behind our backs and signed us up for CODEX?! This can not be true.

I interviewed Clinton a few years back and he told me how he beat them in

the 60' and 90's and that we were safe for now from that nightmare and it was

only Europe that was in trouble. Well we have seen those idiots (Europeans)

slowly but surely fall for CODEX and now there are places in Spain and France

where they actually can't get 1000 mg of Vit. C from what I've heard anyway.

But I thought we in the US were safe! What is going on?

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> > I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person

has mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight

against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to put

us on a list of trouble makers etc…

> >

> > Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever

it comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we

the people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry but this is not re-hashing it's new to me and probably many others and

your response is exactly what I have been looking for. See I've held this

debate on my own face book page as I have quite the following on there and no

one really could figure it out. I was on Dr. Rima's side and will be reposting

this discussion on my fb page as well to help others realize this rumor is not

true. Because I have to admit I myself even though I didn't believe it held

back for a short period of time in signing your petitions till I did some

research and felt as though it was on the up and up.

I will read that article and post to my fb as well. We don't need anyone

humming and hawing over whether they should sign your petitions because of some

stupid rumour!

While I have your attention. Is it just me or did I read the other day that

Obama went behind our backs and signed us up for CODEX?! This can not be true.

I interviewed Clinton a few years back and he told me how he beat them in

the 60' and 90's and that we were safe for now from that nightmare and it was

only Europe that was in trouble. Well we have seen those idiots (Europeans)

slowly but surely fall for CODEX and now there are places in Spain and France

where they actually can't get 1000 mg of Vit. C from what I've heard anyway.

But I thought we in the US were safe! What is going on?

> >

> > I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person

has mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight

against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to put

us on a list of trouble makers etc…

> >

> > Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever

it comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we

the people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Greetings.

What can we do ? But the act must be ratified in your State, my state rejected the Patriot act so too did my county. yet where I live is bad enough any way. However, due to changing times I recommend people visit this website ; http://www.ofthefield.com we are so duped and kept in the dark that many folks may die unnecessarily someday perhaps.

Randy

From: Ralph Fucetola <dr.laibow@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 8:04:05 PMSubject: Re: Has anyone else ever heard that Dr. Rima and the General are paid opposition?

Ralph Fucetola here. Let me, as the co-trustee to Dr. Rima and Gen. Bert, state: we are not "paid opposition" -- if we were, we wouldn't be begging for support all the time! We are supported by many small donations by a small percentage of the people on the Health Freedom USA emailing list.The only practical way you can know if someone is "controlled opposition" is to watch what they say and do. The prime warning signal is when someone backs off a principled position because "the other side" might take offense.Political, or educational, movements that are more concerned over what "the other side" thinks than in clearly stating principled positions are controlled opposition.We have never done that and, in fact, I've been told by some "old hands" in the "movement" that they were concerned that we are not being civil and would cause "the other side" to become angry. Thus their behavior is controlled by the desires of "the

other side."On the other hand, real opposition speaks truth to power and does not offer meaningless compromises.A good case in point is a bit off topic for No Forced Vaccines, but is a clear example.On the issue of the fake "food safety" bills S. 510 and S.3767, we've remained in total opposition, but have called upon Congress to amend US law by adopting what we call the Food Freedom Amendment that would get Federal regulators off the backs of local food production. That's principled opposition.On the other hand, some farmer and rancher groups are supporting the Tester Amendment that would offer a little bit of protection to some small farms, but as a result of the definitions used, would apply to only a tiny fraction of the family farms and community gardens. That proposal is an example of a "controlled opposition" operation.If you feel you need to rehash old charges and answers, you can read "The Truth is Our

Defense" - http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=1694'Nough said.Ralph>> I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person has mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to put us on a list of trouble makers etc…> > Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever it comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we the people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?>

[Guest guest]

They had already established psychological profiles on each of us before we left public education. So why worry ? I will gaurantee you that it was understood long ago that I had a 95% chance to be rebellious against "official expansion" of governemnt. So in a way we, each of us have been on some kind of list.

Randy

From: gijacklin <gijacklin@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 2:19:07 PMSubject: Has anyone else ever heard that Dr. Rima and the General are paid opposition?

I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person has mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to put us on a list of trouble makers etc…Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever it comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we the people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?

[Guest guest]

I still want to know A) if it's true Obama signed us up for CODEX and If so

how come this message board did not tell us?

> >

> > I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person

has mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight

against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to put

us on a list of trouble makers etc…

> >

> > Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever

it comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we

the people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2010/09/obamas_executive_order_13544_and_codex_ali

mentarius.html

Ingrid

I still want to know A) if it's true Obama signed us up for CODEX and If

so how come this message board did not tell us?

> >

> > I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one

person has mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the

good fight against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our

information to put us on a list of trouble makers etc…

> >

> > Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when

ever it comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone

for we the people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with

this?

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Correctamundo, Randy.

Ann

On Sun Sep 26th, 2010 7:11 AM MDT Randy Cable wrote:

>They had already established psychological profiles on each of us before we

left

>public education. So why worry ? I will gaurantee you that it was understood

>long ago that I had a 95% chance to be rebellious against " official expansion "

>of governemnt. So in a way we, each of us have been on some kind of list.

>

>Randy

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>From: gijacklin <gijacklin@...>

>no-forced-vaccination

>Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 2:19:07 PM

>Subject: Has anyone else ever heard that Dr. Rima and

>the General are paid opposition?

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>I've had discussions on my facebook about this cause more than one person has

>mentioned they are paid opposition. That they use fighting the good fight

>against CODEX and Vaccinations etc… as a cover to get all our information to

put

>us on a list of trouble makers etc…

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>Personally I can not believe this and have argued on their behalf when ever it

>comes up. I believe they and Mike are doing more than anyone for we the

>people. I just wanted to know if anyone else has dealt with this?

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