Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 not all of us buy into the water imprint idea - it is one possible explanation Homeopathy stands up without the water imprint theory Why don't you help us come up with a theory then that explains what we see happen before our eyes and has happened since Hahnemann developed homeopathy Sheri At 10:39 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria. Kirk Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality. Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...> Subject: Re: onion/homeopathy no-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > > http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > > http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 not all of us buy into the water imprint idea - it is one possible explanation Homeopathy stands up without the water imprint theory Why don't you help us come up with a theory then that explains what we see happen before our eyes and has happened since Hahnemann developed homeopathy Sheri At 10:39 AM 10/19/2009, you wrote: But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria. Kirk Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality. Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...> Subject: Re: onion/homeopathy no-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > > http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > > http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 For really interesting information about the relationship between the metaphysical and the physical, Deepok Chopra has some fabulous explanations (for those who want them). Read his book Quantum Healing. t On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if > flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and > chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly > in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt > to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain > why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that > is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to > not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria. > Kirk > > Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and > they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild > a structure which has no relation to reality. > Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 > > > > > From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...> > Subject: Re: onion/homeopathy > no-forced-vaccination > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM > > > Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against > mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we > take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history > and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. > A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but > another remedy. > Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer > contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, > which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology > that the crude substance caused. > It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are > unfortunate. > Liz > > > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web > page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- > exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one > trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are > unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim > the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it > passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches > complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly > controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy > worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to > demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the > treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but > ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely > on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with > Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the > researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and > physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is > delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading- > professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove > homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ > Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy - > works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 For really interesting information about the relationship between the metaphysical and the physical, Deepok Chopra has some fabulous explanations (for those who want them). Read his book Quantum Healing. t On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if > flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and > chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly > in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt > to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain > why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that > is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to > not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria. > Kirk > > Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and > they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild > a structure which has no relation to reality. > Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 > > > > > From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...> > Subject: Re: onion/homeopathy > no-forced-vaccination > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM > > > Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against > mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we > take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history > and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. > A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but > another remedy. > Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer > contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, > which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology > that the crude substance caused. > It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are > unfortunate. > Liz > > > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web > page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- > exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one > trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are > unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim > the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it > passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches > complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly > controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy > worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to > demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the > treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but > ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely > on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with > Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the > researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and > physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is > delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading- > professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove > homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ > Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy - > works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 the 10,000 pounds wasnt Randilink was in the first email I sentKirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 >So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 the 10,000 pounds wasnt Randilink was in the first email I sentKirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 >So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 OK I doubt if many of us care to prove it. It has been proven to ourselves and our patients. He that has ears, let him hear, such a thing There are always hoops to jump through to prove it to the skeptics and i personally, don't care to take the time I don't even waste my time trying to talk to skeptics about vaccine dangers. I spend my time teaching and sharing and doing the work of preventing injury to begin with and treating some who are injured after the fact. Part of why these people are out there challenging all is to distract us from our important work, in my opinion. There's enough evidence out there already if anyone truly cares http://www.anhcampaign.org/practitoners/homeopathy " Firstly there is no Cochrane Review that is positivenor is there ever likely to be given the hatred that most Cochrane-valued scientists and doctors have of homeopathy. The second option for the challenge is nigh on impossible to achieve as it would take longer than 12 months to successfully get a Cochrane Review, together with the necessary supporting randomised controlled trials, through approved and published! " We are talking about promotion for his book See more at http://www.anhcampaign.org/practitoners/homeopathy and http://www.anhcampaign.org/files/090320LRMJACMNewFundamentalism2008%5B2%5D.pdf I have also shared much more info on research. If someone doesn't want to find out the truth for themselves then I don't have time to waste on it. Same thing happens for me when someone asks me to prove that vaccines are dangerous to them. I may share some info if someone is just starting and truly interested and tell them where to look for further information But mostly, I tell them to do their own research on the issue On to prevention of injury and healing of those who are injured Sheri Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 OK I doubt if many of us care to prove it. It has been proven to ourselves and our patients. He that has ears, let him hear, such a thing There are always hoops to jump through to prove it to the skeptics and i personally, don't care to take the time I don't even waste my time trying to talk to skeptics about vaccine dangers. I spend my time teaching and sharing and doing the work of preventing injury to begin with and treating some who are injured after the fact. Part of why these people are out there challenging all is to distract us from our important work, in my opinion. There's enough evidence out there already if anyone truly cares http://www.anhcampaign.org/practitoners/homeopathy " Firstly there is no Cochrane Review that is positivenor is there ever likely to be given the hatred that most Cochrane-valued scientists and doctors have of homeopathy. The second option for the challenge is nigh on impossible to achieve as it would take longer than 12 months to successfully get a Cochrane Review, together with the necessary supporting randomised controlled trials, through approved and published! " We are talking about promotion for his book See more at http://www.anhcampaign.org/practitoners/homeopathy and http://www.anhcampaign.org/files/090320LRMJACMNewFundamentalism2008%5B2%5D.pdf I have also shared much more info on research. If someone doesn't want to find out the truth for themselves then I don't have time to waste on it. Same thing happens for me when someone asks me to prove that vaccines are dangerous to them. I may share some info if someone is just starting and truly interested and tell them where to look for further information But mostly, I tell them to do their own research on the issue On to prevention of injury and healing of those who are injured Sheri Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm quite sure that you're right. The idea hasn't been properly conveyed to me, and my understanding of the overall approach isn't very good. I'll stand by my assertion, however, that nobody, at least not in this day and age, needs a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of - we've all had plenty of those already. But, I am NOT taking aim at homepathy in general, which I believe has all the merits its proponents claim. I'll learn more as I go along. From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:23:07 AMSubject: Re: onion/homeopathy Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz> > > >> >actually> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >said that.> >> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:> >> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.> >> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.> >> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.> >> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.> >> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.> >> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.> >> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.> >> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'> >> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.> >> >> >> >and> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > >> >> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works> >> >> >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm quite sure that you're right. The idea hasn't been properly conveyed to me, and my understanding of the overall approach isn't very good. I'll stand by my assertion, however, that nobody, at least not in this day and age, needs a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of - we've all had plenty of those already. But, I am NOT taking aim at homepathy in general, which I believe has all the merits its proponents claim. I'll learn more as I go along. From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:23:07 AMSubject: Re: onion/homeopathy Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz> > > >> >actually> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >said that.> >> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:> >> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.> >> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.> >> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.> >> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.> >> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.> >> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.> >> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.> >> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'> >> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.> >> >> >> >and> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > >> >> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works> >> >> >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 At 05:34 PM 10/19/2009, you wrote: I'm quite sure that you're right. The idea hasn't been properly conveyed to me, and my understanding of the overall approach isn't very good. I'll stand by my assertion, however, that nobody, at least not in this day and age, needs a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of - we've all had plenty of those already. But, I am NOT taking aim at homepathy in general, which I believe has all the merits its proponents claim. I'll learn more as I go along. It isn't a dose of mercury in the way that you think Sheri From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...> no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:23:07 AM Subject: Re: onion/homeopathy Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 At 05:34 PM 10/19/2009, you wrote: I'm quite sure that you're right. The idea hasn't been properly conveyed to me, and my understanding of the overall approach isn't very good. I'll stand by my assertion, however, that nobody, at least not in this day and age, needs a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of - we've all had plenty of those already. But, I am NOT taking aim at homepathy in general, which I believe has all the merits its proponents claim. I'll learn more as I go along. It isn't a dose of mercury in the way that you think Sheri From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...> no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:23:07 AM Subject: Re: onion/homeopathy Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yes, and I said 'energetic imprint'...without getting too esoteric here it's a way to state impression/essence/energy that is being reached and utilized. Water was not mentioned although water does record information on many levels and is a good medium for light/energy. Liz > > > > > > > > > > > > > >actually > > > ><http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/a > > ssets/taoist.html>http://www.reikiemp > > owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > > >said that. > > > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > > > ><http://bayourenaiss>http://bayourenaiss > > anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an > > ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so > > diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the > > original substance, homeopaths claim the water > > retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, > > which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself > > who now researches complementary medicine at > > Exeter University - said 200 strictly > > controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the > > evidence you fail to demonstrate strong > > evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, > > supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support > > the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or > > misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book > > Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said > > homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be > > effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes > > in chemistry and physics because the laws of > > science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy > > I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in > > the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > ><http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026 > > 966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html>http://ww\ w.dailymai > > l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo > > r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first > > person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > > > > >Read more: > > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX>http://www.dailymai > > l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo > > r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yes, and I said 'energetic imprint'...without getting too esoteric here it's a way to state impression/essence/energy that is being reached and utilized. Water was not mentioned although water does record information on many levels and is a good medium for light/energy. Liz > > > > > > > > > > > > > >actually > > > ><http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/a > > ssets/taoist.html>http://www.reikiemp > > owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > > >said that. > > > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > > > ><http://bayourenaiss>http://bayourenaiss > > anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an > > ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so > > diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the > > original substance, homeopaths claim the water > > retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, > > which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself > > who now researches complementary medicine at > > Exeter University - said 200 strictly > > controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the > > evidence you fail to demonstrate strong > > evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, > > supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support > > the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or > > misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book > > Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said > > homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be > > effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes > > in chemistry and physics because the laws of > > science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy > > I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in > > the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > ><http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026 > > 966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html>http://ww\ w.dailymai > > l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo > > r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first > > person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > > > > >Read more: > > <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX>http://www.dailymai > > l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo > > r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Ok, I give up! Some things take time... From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 6:13:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy At 05:34 PM 10/19/2009, you wrote: I'm quite sure that you're right. The idea hasn't been properly conveyed to me, and my understanding of the overall approach isn't very good. I'll stand by my assertion, however, that nobody, at least not in this day and age, needs a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of - we've all had plenty of those already. But, I am NOT taking aim at homepathy in general, which I believe has all the merits its proponents claim. I'll learn more as I go along. It isn't a dose of mercury in the way that you thinkSheri From: lightspirals <lightspirals>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:23:07 AMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: onion/homeopathy Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz> > > >> >actually> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >said that.> >> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:> >> >http://bayourenaiss/ anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.> >> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.> >> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.> >> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.> >> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.> >> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.> >> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.> >> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'> >> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.> >> >> >> >and> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > >> >> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works> >> >> >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Ok, I give up! Some things take time... From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 6:13:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy At 05:34 PM 10/19/2009, you wrote: I'm quite sure that you're right. The idea hasn't been properly conveyed to me, and my understanding of the overall approach isn't very good. I'll stand by my assertion, however, that nobody, at least not in this day and age, needs a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of - we've all had plenty of those already. But, I am NOT taking aim at homepathy in general, which I believe has all the merits its proponents claim. I'll learn more as I go along. It isn't a dose of mercury in the way that you thinkSheri From: lightspirals <lightspirals>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Mon, October 19, 2009 3:23:07 AMSubject: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: onion/homeopathy Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz> > > >> >actually> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >said that.> >> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:> >> >http://bayourenaiss/ anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.> >> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.> >> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.> >> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.> >> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.> >> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.> >> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.> >> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'> >> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.> >> >> >> >and> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > >> >> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works> >> >> >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning...there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning...there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Check out these articles for info on water has memory. Just a few.... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3817-icy-claim-that-water-has-memory.HTML http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory http://www.naturalnews.com/022289.HTML I think these, and others like them, say the truth of what homeopathic practitioners have shown all along. And their remedies work because of this "memory." -- Re: onion/homeopathy You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning...there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Check out these articles for info on water has memory. Just a few.... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3817-icy-claim-that-water-has-memory.HTML http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory http://www.naturalnews.com/022289.HTML I think these, and others like them, say the truth of what homeopathic practitioners have shown all along. And their remedies work because of this "memory." -- Re: onion/homeopathy You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning...there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Then refute the logic of this:"I drank a homeopathic remedy. I urinated and flushed. Soon the remedy will spread throughout the world, becoming ever more powerful as it becomes more diluted." - Gorski, MDThen you quote a chemist who using thermoluminesence postulates a memory - you selectively ignore Chaplin from London's South Bank University, an expert on water and hydrogen bonding, is not so sure. "Rey's rationale for water memory seems most unlikely," he says. "Most hydrogen bonding in liquid water rearranges when it freezes."and even more significantly overlook the fact that your chemist was surprised. He is surprised because he is operating where his knowledge doesnt allow him to accurately predict what will happen. Not his expertise in other words.I was employed as an engineer determining radiation hardness and susceptibility and I know that the isotopes that make up a molecule affect more than bonding energy.You are seeing what you look for and disregarding the rest. Besides, Gorski summed the logical fallacy quite well. Sea water is the ultimate all purpose cure homeopathically - isnt it?KirkFrom: Pat Austin <iamhvnbnd@...>Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathyTo: no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 10:26 AM Check out these articles for info on water has memory. Just a few.... http://www.newscien tist.com/ article/dn3817- icy-claim- that-water- has-memory. HTML http://en.Wikipedia .org/wiki/ Water_memory http://www.naturaln ews.com/022289. HTML I think these, and others like them, say the truth of what homeopathic practitioners have shown all along. And their remedies work because of this "memory." -- [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: onion/homeopathy You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning... there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Then refute the logic of this:"I drank a homeopathic remedy. I urinated and flushed. Soon the remedy will spread throughout the world, becoming ever more powerful as it becomes more diluted." - Gorski, MDThen you quote a chemist who using thermoluminesence postulates a memory - you selectively ignore Chaplin from London's South Bank University, an expert on water and hydrogen bonding, is not so sure. "Rey's rationale for water memory seems most unlikely," he says. "Most hydrogen bonding in liquid water rearranges when it freezes."and even more significantly overlook the fact that your chemist was surprised. He is surprised because he is operating where his knowledge doesnt allow him to accurately predict what will happen. Not his expertise in other words.I was employed as an engineer determining radiation hardness and susceptibility and I know that the isotopes that make up a molecule affect more than bonding energy.You are seeing what you look for and disregarding the rest. Besides, Gorski summed the logical fallacy quite well. Sea water is the ultimate all purpose cure homeopathically - isnt it?KirkFrom: Pat Austin <iamhvnbnd@...>Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathyTo: no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 10:26 AM Check out these articles for info on water has memory. Just a few.... http://www.newscien tist.com/ article/dn3817- icy-claim- that-water- has-memory. HTML http://en.Wikipedia .org/wiki/ Water_memory http://www.naturaln ews.com/022289. HTML I think these, and others like them, say the truth of what homeopathic practitioners have shown all along. And their remedies work because of this "memory." -- [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: onion/homeopathy You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning... there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 you win all the cures of homeopathy for infants, animals and adults are placebo effect ya know - not all can be explained at our present level of knowledge (which is pretty dang low) I know it works, my patients know it works and huge numbers of people use it and have been cured of some pretty awful things There is no way to satisfactorily explain this to skeptics at this point in time, sorry to say Sheri At 11:58 AM 10/20/2009, you wrote: Then refute the logic of this: " I drank a homeopathic remedy. I urinated and flushed. Soon the remedy will spread throughout the world, becoming ever more powerful as it becomes more diluted. " - Gorski, MD Then you quote a chemist who using thermoluminesence postulates a memory - you selectively ignore Chaplin from London's South Bank University, an expert on water and hydrogen bonding, is not so sure. " Rey's rationale for water memory seems most unlikely, " he says. " Most hydrogen bonding in liquid water rearranges when it freezes. " and even more significantly overlook the fact that your chemist was surprised. He is surprised because he is operating where his knowledge doesnt allow him to accurately predict what will happen. Not his expertise in other words. I was employed as an engineer determining radiation hardness and susceptibility and I know that the isotopes that make up a molecule affect more than bonding energy. You are seeing what you look for and disregarding the rest. Besides, Gorski summed the logical fallacy quite well. Sea water is the ultimate all purpose cure homeopathically - isnt it? Kirk From: Pat Austin <iamhvnbnd@...> Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy no-forced-vaccination Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 10:26 AM Check out these articles for info on water has memory. Just a few.... http://www.newscien tist.com/ article/dn3817- icy-claim- that-water- has-memory. HTML http://en.Wikipedia ..org/wiki/ Water_memory http://www.naturaln ews.com/022289. HTML I think these, and others like them, say the truth of what homeopathic practitioners have shown all along. And their remedies work because of this " memory. " -- [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: onion/homeopathy You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'. And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning... there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs. Liz > > > > > > > > > >actually > > > http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > >said that. > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > > http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Well, I've learned what a lot of people haven't, that there's a lot more to be learned... From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 1:48:24 AMSubject: Re: onion/homeopathy You'll do well to do some reading on it Alan. Don't give up....it's just a whole different way at looking at substances in general. It's not a dose of mercury for the body to make an imprint of....it is a dose of the energetic nature (imprint) of mercury. There is no toxic crude substance used...all that is diluted away in a homeopathic remedy. It stimulates a healing process energetically, which in turn is capable of healing any level of a person. This is a natural law of nature regarding a poison or pathological state a person is in being able to be cured by the energy of a substance shown to exhibit similar symptoms. We get that information from trials called 'provings'.And again, mercury is not necessarily used for mercury poisoning... there are many remedies possible in that case. In-depth, caring time in consultation reveals what each individual needs.Liz > > > > > > >> > >actually> > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars ..com.au/assets/ taoist.html> > >said that.> > >> > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:> > >> > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.> > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.> > >> > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.> > >> > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.> > >> > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.> > >> > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.> > >> > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.> > >> > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.> > >> > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'> > >> > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.> > >> > >> > >> > >and> > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > >> > >> > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works> > >> > >> > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Ok Kirk you're beating it to death. 1. An ingested homeopathic remedy is not urinated out the body. It's ENERGY is absorbed by the PERSON it is meant for. IT IS NOT A VITAMIN. 2. Even if some somehow left the body in urine, and was flushed, it then joins the sewer system...full of chemicals, coffee, pharmaceuticals, etc. etc. all which would nullify said poor little remedy...study homeopathy to understand why. 3. Who cares if MARTIN IS NOT SURE. Homeopathy is 2nd most used health care modality in the world because MOST OF THE WORLD IS SURE. 4. What was your actual point about isotopes affecting more than bonding energy? 5. Were you exposed to radiation while employed as an engineer? 6. Seawater...homeopathy does not work in 'all purpose cures', it is INDIVIDUALIZED to each person. Keep trying....Kent did and ended up becoming one of homeopathy's strongest advocates. That's when not deflecting the obvious and basic facts discovered. Liz > > > > > > > > > > > > > >actually > > > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > > > >said that. > > > > > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > > > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > > > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > > > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > > > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > > > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > > > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > > > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > > > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > > > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > > > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > > > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > > > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > > > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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