Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hi Kirk: Sorry - your statement: " Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed " renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy. Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions). Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms " when consumed IN EXCESS. " Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of " like cures like " comes from. Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry. That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or " healing crisis, " which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal. Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself. Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already. There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic. t On Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually. > > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: " garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria. " Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is " more harmful than hemlock. " (7) > > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8) > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body. > > • Bring a pot of water to boil. > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons. > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse. > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only. > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses. > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.htmlLeading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1@...> wrote:From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AMHi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.htmlLeading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1@...> wrote:From: Theresa <tgeorge1@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AMHi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Just to say you cannot just rubbish Homoeopathy you just have to try it you cannot trial it in the same way that science goes about there trials, You could have ten people with flu symptoms but they all could need a different remedy. Homoeopaths have to work out which remedy fits the case.The best thing is that you can not poison anyone with homoeopathy it is save. tricia no-forced-vaccination From: kirkmcloren@...Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:48:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com> wrote: From: Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AM Hi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Just to say you cannot just rubbish Homoeopathy you just have to try it you cannot trial it in the same way that science goes about there trials, You could have ten people with flu symptoms but they all could need a different remedy. Homoeopaths have to work out which remedy fits the case.The best thing is that you can not poison anyone with homoeopathy it is save. tricia no-forced-vaccination From: kirkmcloren@...Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:48:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com> wrote: From: Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AM Hi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you. I am a homeopath (previously an RN) Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36 http://www.homeopathic.com/store/product=1796 And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works' http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/by_category.jsp?id=11 Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science) http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract : Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229-34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobs@... BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. Sheri Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html said that. as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you. I am a homeopath (previously an RN) Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36 http://www.homeopathic.com/store/product=1796 And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works' http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/by_category.jsp?id=11 Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science) http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract : Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229-34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobs@... BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. Sheri Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html said that. as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Kirk: Then why did you use homeopathy to support your initial thesis today - that onions (and garlic) are harmful? For if you agree with this web page, you obviously think homeopathic medicine is fraudulent. And if you think homeopathy is fraudulent, you obviously don't believe in it. And if you don't believe in it, then why did you use your interpretation of it as an argument on which to base your postulate that onions are harmful? I don't have any problem with someone not seeing the benefit of homeopathy, but I think it's too convenient for you to use homeopathy as a basis of information from which draw support for a thesis when you don't believe in homeopathic science to begin with - - - - this is illogical. t On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > actually > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > said that. > > as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-agai\ n.html > A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one > trillion, trillion parts of water. > Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are > unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim > the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it > passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches > complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly > controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy > worked. > > 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to > demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment > continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore > those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on > flawed studies, he claimed. > > Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with > Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the > researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics > because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered > by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > and > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy > works > > > Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > > spiritually. > > > > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: " garlic > > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > > bacteria. " Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is " more harmful than > hemlock. " (7) > > > > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8) > > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge > > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > > > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > > cells of the body. > > > > • Bring a pot of water to boil. > > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons. > > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse. > > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only. > > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to > the > > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses. > > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > > remove the garlic from your body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Kirk: Then why did you use homeopathy to support your initial thesis today - that onions (and garlic) are harmful? For if you agree with this web page, you obviously think homeopathic medicine is fraudulent. And if you think homeopathy is fraudulent, you obviously don't believe in it. And if you don't believe in it, then why did you use your interpretation of it as an argument on which to base your postulate that onions are harmful? I don't have any problem with someone not seeing the benefit of homeopathy, but I think it's too convenient for you to use homeopathy as a basis of information from which draw support for a thesis when you don't believe in homeopathic science to begin with - - - - this is illogical. t On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote: > actually > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > said that. > > as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-agai\ n.html > A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one > trillion, trillion parts of water. > Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are > unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim > the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it > passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches > complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly > controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy > worked. > > 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to > demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment > continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore > those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on > flawed studies, he claimed. > > Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with > Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the > researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics > because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered > by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > and > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy > works > > > Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > > > > > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > > spiritually. > > > > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: " garlic > > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > > bacteria. " Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is " more harmful than > hemlock. " (7) > > > > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8) > > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge > > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > > > > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > > cells of the body. > > > > • Bring a pot of water to boil. > > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons. > > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse. > > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only. > > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to > the > > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses. > > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > > remove the garlic from your body. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 It was part of the page. If I give a URL and then cherry pick I alter the authors content.That is misleading. I dont speak the world according to Kirk. I present what the author at the URL speaks. The prior points of the article are what attracted my attention.KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934>> > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the> > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this> > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions> > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are> > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,> > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also> > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent> > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,> > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.> > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and> > spiritually.> >> > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered> > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and> > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is> > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in> > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health> > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic> > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the> > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken> > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic> > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism> > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman> > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than > hemlock."(7)> >> > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are> > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's> > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications.> > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect> > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.> > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes> > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny> > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >> > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the> > cells of the body.> >> > • Bring a pot of water to boil.> > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large> > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to > the> > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a> > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely> > remove the garlic from your body.> >> >> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>> Links>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 It was part of the page. If I give a URL and then cherry pick I alter the authors content.That is misleading. I dont speak the world according to Kirk. I present what the author at the URL speaks. The prior points of the article are what attracted my attention.KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934>> > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the> > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this> > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions> > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are> > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,> > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also> > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent> > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,> > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.> > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and> > spiritually.> >> > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered> > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and> > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is> > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in> > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health> > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic> > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the> > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken> > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic> > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism> > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman> > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than > hemlock."(7)> >> > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are> > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's> > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications.> > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect> > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.> > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes> > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny> > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >> > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the> > cells of the body.> >> > • Bring a pot of water to boil.> > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large> > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to > the> > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a> > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely> > remove the garlic from your body.> >> >> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>> Links>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince me is workable. Organic agents, maybe... From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AMSubject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.I am a homeopath (previously an RN)Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science)http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124andhttp://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez? db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobsigc (DOT) org BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.SheriSheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USAVaccines - http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htmVaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/homeo. htmAt 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince me is workable. Organic agents, maybe... From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AMSubject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.I am a homeopath (previously an RN)Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science)http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124andhttp://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez? db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobsigc (DOT) org BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.SheriSheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USAVaccines - http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htmVaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/homeo. htmAt 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 >So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then .KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 actually http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html said that. as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. and http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 >So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then .KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934 actually http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html said that. as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. and http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\ -person-prove-homeopathy-works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\ person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria.Kirk Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria.Kirk Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure. A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy. Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused. It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate. Liz > > > > > >actually > >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html > >said that. > > > >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: > > > >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html > >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. > >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. > > > >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. > > > >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. > > > >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. > > > >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. > > > >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. > > > >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. > > > >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' > > > >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. > > > > > > > >and > >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html > > > > > >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works > > > > > >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 At 06:17 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince me is workable. Organic agents, maybe... I know of no homeopath who thinks that exposure to poisonous mercury (in a gross amount or in a remedy) protects against mercury poisoning) Mercurius is one of our remedies but used in very dilute doses where no molecule remains of mercury, in most cases. Mercury produces a certain set of toxic symptoms in a healthy person. If a person already has symptoms that look like mercury poisoning, the mercurius, the remedy may be one that helps to cure. But it may be another remedy too - depends on the whole symptom picture. You have to understand homeopathy A substance that will produce a certain set of symptoms in a healthy person will the the same substance in remedy form that will cure an ill person with a similar set of symptoms. The remedy is not given in a material dose but in a diluted and energized dose. I suppose someday they will discover that the energy of the substance is what is curing. People judge homeopathy on too little information and understanding. Kind of like judging Quantum Physics can't work or is dangerous from only reading cartoon in a paper one day. Sheri From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you. I am a homeopath (previously an RN) Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36 http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796 And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works' http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11 Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science) http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124 and http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez? db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract : Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobsigc (DOT) org BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. Sheri Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/homeo. htm At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html said that. as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 At 06:17 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince me is workable. Organic agents, maybe... I know of no homeopath who thinks that exposure to poisonous mercury (in a gross amount or in a remedy) protects against mercury poisoning) Mercurius is one of our remedies but used in very dilute doses where no molecule remains of mercury, in most cases. Mercury produces a certain set of toxic symptoms in a healthy person. If a person already has symptoms that look like mercury poisoning, the mercurius, the remedy may be one that helps to cure. But it may be another remedy too - depends on the whole symptom picture. You have to understand homeopathy A substance that will produce a certain set of symptoms in a healthy person will the the same substance in remedy form that will cure an ill person with a similar set of symptoms. The remedy is not given in a material dose but in a diluted and energized dose. I suppose someday they will discover that the energy of the substance is what is curing. People judge homeopathy on too little information and understanding. Kind of like judging Quantum Physics can't work or is dangerous from only reading cartoon in a paper one day. Sheri From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you. I am a homeopath (previously an RN) Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36 http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796 And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works' http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11 Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science) http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124 and http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez? db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract : Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobsigc (DOT) org BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. Sheri Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/homeo. htm At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html said that. as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page: http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water. Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness. Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked. 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added. However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said. Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed. Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo. 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said. 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.' One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching. and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 You don't know the whole history of this and the story. And its a similar story for the skeptics that harass all of us about vaccines being perfectly safe. Here is what happened - found this nice synopses and further details http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/surprise-homeopathy-cant-cure-aids-tb-or-malaria/ " Please do not insult our intelligence by mentioning any “prizes” put forth by the “amazing” Randi for anything. A Greek Homeopath named Vithoulkas spent 5 YEARS in “negotiations” with Randi to set up a test for Homeopathy. Vithoulkas catered to Randi’s every whim and requirement. Then, at a crucial moment in the final negotiations, Randi fell ill. OK, no big deal there…. Vithoulkas waited…and waited… until one day, to Vithoulkas’ amazement, it was reported on Randi’s web site that Vithoulkas had “broken off” the negotiations. Astounded, Vithoulkas contacted Randi and finally got through only to be told that all negotiations were discarded and that Vithoulkas would have to begin again!!! One can immediately imagine how this process could be extended indefinitely – for example, can the challenger “prove” that cosmic rays will not interfere with the results? The whole thing was, in my opinion, a beautiful publicity stunt and nothing more. Anyone who attaches any significance at all to Randi, his challenge or anything else related to him is participating in and prolonging a publicity stunt, in my opinion, and nothing more. " http://www.naturalnews.com/025627.html Randi Backs Out of Challenge with Homeopath Vithoulkas Saturday, February 14, 2009 (NaturalNews) A long tussle concerning the validity of Homeopathy between the world`s most famous homeopath and probably the world`s most well known `quackbuster` appears to have come to head in December 2008 after 5 years of to-ing and fro-ing. On the one side is Homeopath Vithoulkas, whose International Academy for Classical Homeopathy is based on the island of Alonissos in Greece. On the other is American magician and skeptic, Randi who heads what he calls The Randi Educational Foundation, based in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Vithoulkas and Randi are equally passionate in their diametrically opposed views and an easy meeting of minds was never very likely. For several years Randi has had one million dollars on offer to anyone that can demonstrate paranormal or supernatural powers or events. Understandably he has very strict criteria and rules to the challenge, and to date nobody has passed even the preliminary stages of the application process. Various psychics, astrologers, clairvoyants and dowsers have applied over the years. Also listed as failed applicants on his website are practitioners of arts that could redefine the meaning of the word esoteric, such as, `paranormal urination` and `internet sex dowsing` and someone called a `metal visionary`. Like all members of the skeptic fraternity, Randi is anti alternative medicine. He considers homeopathy to be bogus and classes it as supernatural because homeopaths use remedies diluted beyond Avogadro`s constant. These remedies therefore should not, according to conventional science, have any biological effect. Randi has been involved in a few attempts at debunking homeopathy over the years, and is one of it`s fiercest critics. A group of homeopaths led by the renowned Greek homeopath Vithoulkas began the process of attempting to win Randi`s one million dollars in 2003. Vithoulkas was largely responsible for the resurgence of interest in classical homeopathy in the 1970s and 1980s . He had been upset by what he considered to be badly constructed experiments previously carried out in the hope of demonstrating the validity of Homeopathy. One of these failed experiments, involving Randi, was broadcast on BBC television in 2003. It was one of the main impetuses behind Vithoulkas` decision to devote his 40 years of Homeopathic experience to putting the record straight. A team of skeptics was set up to represent Randi. This team, and the group of homeopaths led by Vithoulkas, started conducting preparatory work to the trial in 2003. A protocol was devised by a group of international scientists and the experiment was to take place in a hospital in Athens. The experiment involved homeopaths, under Vithoulkas` supervision, prescribing individualized remedies to a number of patients in a double blind fashion with half of the patients receiving placebo, and the other half a real remedy. All seemed to be going well when in August 2006, Vithoulkas received a signed agreement from Randi in which he stated that he was satisfied with the suggested protocol. He also waived the need for a preliminary test - the part of the process that had foiled every applicant up to that point. However Randi then delayed the start of the experiment owing to health problems and lack of sufficient funding. Apparently Randi was asked by Vithoulkas to assign a representative in his absence while funding was being sought but Randi refused to do so. He also told the homeopaths that he needed 6 months to recuperate from his unspecified health problems. This 6 month period, according to Vithoulkas, was critical. It coincided with the appointment of a new Mayor of Athens who installed a new chairman of the scientific committee and a new president of the hospital that was to be used for the experiment. Vithoulkas claims that Randi knew of theses impending changes and was looking for a way of getting out of the challenge. It certainly was the most rigorous and well organized attempt to win the one million dollars that had ever been attempted. The Homeopaths believe that Randi got cold feet for this reason. After a further 2 years of negotiating with the new authorities, the Homeopaths finally got the go ahead in Athens and started putting the final touches to the arrangements. In September 2008, a two day meeting was held in Greece between two of Randi`s representatives, plus Dr. Menachem Oberbaum, principal investigator of the experiment, and Vithoulkas. After this meeting the homeopaths thought everything was ready to go ahead but they were in for a rude surprise. In October 2008, one month after the meeting, they received the following communication from Randi: " Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What appears here is the current status. First, we require that Vithoulkas submit a regular, properly-filled-out application and submit it just as we require everyone to do. After that has been received, we`ll go ahead as with any regular applicant - with the arrangements, including the requirement for the preliminary stage " . This new turn of events understandably infuriated Vithoulkas after his 5 years of toil. To make matters worse, Randi, according to Vithoulkas, claimed on his website (www.randi.org) that the homeopaths had withdrawn from the experiment. This accusation is strenuously denied by Vithoulkas. It seems that all is not lost however (apart, maybe from $1,000,000). The experiment may still go ahead with the participation of skeptics Alec Gindis and Hrasko Gabor who were originally representing Randi. They apparently wish to see through to the end what has been a long drawn out process. Vithoulkas is also keen to persevere as he believes strongly that the right type of experiment can prove to the critics that Homeopathic remedies do have a biological effect. Watch this space. A complete account of the story can be found on Vithoulkas` website http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1973/lang,en/ At 06:38 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: >So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 You don't know the whole history of this and the story. And its a similar story for the skeptics that harass all of us about vaccines being perfectly safe. Here is what happened - found this nice synopses and further details http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/surprise-homeopathy-cant-cure-aids-tb-or-malaria/ " Please do not insult our intelligence by mentioning any “prizes” put forth by the “amazing” Randi for anything. A Greek Homeopath named Vithoulkas spent 5 YEARS in “negotiations” with Randi to set up a test for Homeopathy. Vithoulkas catered to Randi’s every whim and requirement. Then, at a crucial moment in the final negotiations, Randi fell ill. OK, no big deal there…. Vithoulkas waited…and waited… until one day, to Vithoulkas’ amazement, it was reported on Randi’s web site that Vithoulkas had “broken off” the negotiations. Astounded, Vithoulkas contacted Randi and finally got through only to be told that all negotiations were discarded and that Vithoulkas would have to begin again!!! One can immediately imagine how this process could be extended indefinitely – for example, can the challenger “prove” that cosmic rays will not interfere with the results? The whole thing was, in my opinion, a beautiful publicity stunt and nothing more. Anyone who attaches any significance at all to Randi, his challenge or anything else related to him is participating in and prolonging a publicity stunt, in my opinion, and nothing more. " http://www.naturalnews.com/025627.html Randi Backs Out of Challenge with Homeopath Vithoulkas Saturday, February 14, 2009 (NaturalNews) A long tussle concerning the validity of Homeopathy between the world`s most famous homeopath and probably the world`s most well known `quackbuster` appears to have come to head in December 2008 after 5 years of to-ing and fro-ing. On the one side is Homeopath Vithoulkas, whose International Academy for Classical Homeopathy is based on the island of Alonissos in Greece. On the other is American magician and skeptic, Randi who heads what he calls The Randi Educational Foundation, based in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Vithoulkas and Randi are equally passionate in their diametrically opposed views and an easy meeting of minds was never very likely. For several years Randi has had one million dollars on offer to anyone that can demonstrate paranormal or supernatural powers or events. Understandably he has very strict criteria and rules to the challenge, and to date nobody has passed even the preliminary stages of the application process. Various psychics, astrologers, clairvoyants and dowsers have applied over the years. Also listed as failed applicants on his website are practitioners of arts that could redefine the meaning of the word esoteric, such as, `paranormal urination` and `internet sex dowsing` and someone called a `metal visionary`. Like all members of the skeptic fraternity, Randi is anti alternative medicine. He considers homeopathy to be bogus and classes it as supernatural because homeopaths use remedies diluted beyond Avogadro`s constant. These remedies therefore should not, according to conventional science, have any biological effect. Randi has been involved in a few attempts at debunking homeopathy over the years, and is one of it`s fiercest critics. A group of homeopaths led by the renowned Greek homeopath Vithoulkas began the process of attempting to win Randi`s one million dollars in 2003. Vithoulkas was largely responsible for the resurgence of interest in classical homeopathy in the 1970s and 1980s . He had been upset by what he considered to be badly constructed experiments previously carried out in the hope of demonstrating the validity of Homeopathy. One of these failed experiments, involving Randi, was broadcast on BBC television in 2003. It was one of the main impetuses behind Vithoulkas` decision to devote his 40 years of Homeopathic experience to putting the record straight. A team of skeptics was set up to represent Randi. This team, and the group of homeopaths led by Vithoulkas, started conducting preparatory work to the trial in 2003. A protocol was devised by a group of international scientists and the experiment was to take place in a hospital in Athens. The experiment involved homeopaths, under Vithoulkas` supervision, prescribing individualized remedies to a number of patients in a double blind fashion with half of the patients receiving placebo, and the other half a real remedy. All seemed to be going well when in August 2006, Vithoulkas received a signed agreement from Randi in which he stated that he was satisfied with the suggested protocol. He also waived the need for a preliminary test - the part of the process that had foiled every applicant up to that point. However Randi then delayed the start of the experiment owing to health problems and lack of sufficient funding. Apparently Randi was asked by Vithoulkas to assign a representative in his absence while funding was being sought but Randi refused to do so. He also told the homeopaths that he needed 6 months to recuperate from his unspecified health problems. This 6 month period, according to Vithoulkas, was critical. It coincided with the appointment of a new Mayor of Athens who installed a new chairman of the scientific committee and a new president of the hospital that was to be used for the experiment. Vithoulkas claims that Randi knew of theses impending changes and was looking for a way of getting out of the challenge. It certainly was the most rigorous and well organized attempt to win the one million dollars that had ever been attempted. The Homeopaths believe that Randi got cold feet for this reason. After a further 2 years of negotiating with the new authorities, the Homeopaths finally got the go ahead in Athens and started putting the final touches to the arrangements. In September 2008, a two day meeting was held in Greece between two of Randi`s representatives, plus Dr. Menachem Oberbaum, principal investigator of the experiment, and Vithoulkas. After this meeting the homeopaths thought everything was ready to go ahead but they were in for a rude surprise. In October 2008, one month after the meeting, they received the following communication from Randi: " Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What appears here is the current status. First, we require that Vithoulkas submit a regular, properly-filled-out application and submit it just as we require everyone to do. After that has been received, we`ll go ahead as with any regular applicant - with the arrangements, including the requirement for the preliminary stage " . This new turn of events understandably infuriated Vithoulkas after his 5 years of toil. To make matters worse, Randi, according to Vithoulkas, claimed on his website (www.randi.org) that the homeopaths had withdrawn from the experiment. This accusation is strenuously denied by Vithoulkas. It seems that all is not lost however (apart, maybe from $1,000,000). The experiment may still go ahead with the participation of skeptics Alec Gindis and Hrasko Gabor who were originally representing Randi. They apparently wish to see through to the end what has been a long drawn out process. Vithoulkas is also keen to persevere as he believes strongly that the right type of experiment can prove to the critics that Homeopathic remedies do have a biological effect. Watch this space. A complete account of the story can be found on Vithoulkas` website http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1973/lang,en/ At 06:38 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote: >So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion. They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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