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Hi Kirk:

Sorry - your statement: " Homeopathic medicine comes to the same

conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough,

watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related

symptoms when consumed " renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of

homeopathy.

Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how

homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view

onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if

consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of

symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a

homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case,

onions or red onions).

Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential

remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed

to inspire a specific set of symptoms " when consumed IN EXCESS. "

Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol

have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms

match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may

have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of

" like cures like " comes from.

Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so

many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original

substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts.

Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the

preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires

the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable

amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy,

not chemistry.

That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on

the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated

with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through

repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic

researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may

perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation

or " healing crisis, " which will subside as the patient responds and

begins to heal.

Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync

with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its

path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to

heal itself.

Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals

and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal

state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them

not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas

(water from various locations), and many of them materials which we

have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would

be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies

already.

There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just

because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated

with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic

community would categorize that material as a toxic.

t

On Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:

> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the

> alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this

> group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions

> the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are

> harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,

> chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also

> avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent

> plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,

> these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.

> Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and

> spiritually.

>

> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered

> harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and

> scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is

> garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in

> Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health

> care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic

> also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the

> proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken

> Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: " garlic

> in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism

> bacteria. " Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman

> poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is " more harmful than hemlock. " (7)

>

> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are

> some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's

> system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications.

> This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect

> on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.

> Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes

> that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny

> nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)

> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge

> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

>

> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the

> cells of the body.

>

> • Bring a pot of water to boil.

> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large

> clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.

> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.

> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.

> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the

> mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a

> fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.

> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely

> remove the garlic from your body.

>

>

>

>

>

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actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although

scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water

retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the

body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former

homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter

University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any

evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some

selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those

that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One

of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.htmlLeading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1@...> wrote:From: Theresa

<tgeorge1@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AMHi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the

original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and

shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's

overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic

community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and >

spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more

harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to

completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------

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actually http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although

scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water

retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the

body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former

homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter

University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any

evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some

selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those

that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One

of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.htmlLeading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1@...> wrote:From: Theresa

<tgeorge1@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AMHi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the

original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and

shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's

overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic

community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and >

spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more

harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to

completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------

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Just to say you cannot just rubbish Homoeopathy you just have to try it

you cannot trial it in the same way that science goes about there trials,

You could have ten people with flu symptoms but they all could need a different remedy.

Homoeopaths have to work out which remedy fits the case.The best thing is that you can not poison anyone with homoeopathy it is save.

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: kirkmcloren@...Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:48:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy

actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

From: Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AM

Hi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------

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Just to say you cannot just rubbish Homoeopathy you just have to try it

you cannot trial it in the same way that science goes about there trials,

You could have ten people with flu symptoms but they all could need a different remedy.

Homoeopaths have to work out which remedy fits the case.The best thing is that you can not poison anyone with homoeopathy it is save.

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: kirkmcloren@...Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:48:44 -0700Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy

actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.htmlA typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

From: Theresa <tgeorge1twcny (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:02 AM

Hi Kirk:Sorry - your statement: "Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed" renders an inaccurate view of the opinion of homeopathy.Very interesting on the garlic, but your description of how homeopathic medicine views onions is wrong. Homeopathy does not view onions as a toxic substance but rather as a substance, which if consumed or exposed to in excess, will produce a specific set of symptoms; this very same symptom set can be cured by consuming a homeopathic preparation of the original substance (in this case, onions or red onions).Homoepathic medicine views almost any substance as a potential remedy. Homeopathic remedies use substances which have been observed to inspire a specific set of symptoms "when consumed IN EXCESS." Those very substances, when prepared according to homeopathic protocol have the ability to catalyze a healing when the patient's symptoms match exactly or closely the symptoms which the original substance may have catalyzed in TOXIC amounts. This is where the understanding of "like cures like" comes from.Additionally, when a homeopathic remedy is prepared, it is diluted so many times that, even in the lowest potencies, none of the original substance remains in even microscopically quantifiable amounts. Because of the succussing (vibrating and shaking) during the preparation and the repeated dilutions, the ultimate remedy acquires the PROPERTIES of the original material, yet retaining no measurable amount of its original chemistry, is non toxic and heals with energy, not chemistry.That is not to say that a remedy used too often cannot prove itself on the patient (proving is the process whereby the symptoms associated with a particular remedy manifest themselves in a subject through repeated exposure or ingestion and the process by which homeopathic researchers purposely determine what healing a specific remedy may perform). Nor is it to say that a remedy may not spur an aggravation or "healing crisis," which will subside as the patient responds and begins to heal.Remedies do not act chemically as drugs do; rather, they work in sync with the patient's overall whole and spur the body to recognize its path to cure; put simply, they open the door for the body whole to heal itself.Homeopathic remedies are prepared from thousands of plants, minerals and even exudates of diseases, some of them harmful in their normal state (like aconite (monkshood), phytolacca (poke)), and many of them not, for example, Apium Graveolens (celery), apple, a variety of aquas (water from various locations), and many of them materials which we have naturally in our bodies, but which if ingested in quantity would be toxic, like aurum, gold, present in micro quantities in our bodies already.There are over 70,000 remedies recognized and prepared today. Just because the homeopathic community recognizes the symptoms associated with an excess of any substance does not mean that the homeopathic community would categorize that material as a toxic.tOn Oct 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:> The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen, > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour, > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression. > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and > spiritually.>> Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than hemlock."(7)>> In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications. > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons. > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html>> Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the > cells of the body.>> • Bring a pot of water to boil.> • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to the > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely > remove the garlic from your body.>>>>> ------------------------------------

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Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.

I am a homeopath (previously an RN)

Books documenting research -

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/product=1796

And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/by_category.jsp?id=11

Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational

science)

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124

and

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract

: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003

Mar;22(3):229-34. Related Articles, Links

Click here to read

Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results

and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical

trials.

s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers

D.

Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington

School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA.

jjacobs@...

BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive

treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute

childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at

or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies

followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three

studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three

double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to

5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive

either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a

single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily

stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to

monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until

there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A

metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also

conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3

days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P =

0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of

approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these

studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the

duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes

be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical

power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral

rehydration for this illness.

Publication Types:

* Comparative Study

* Meta-Analysis

* Research Support, Non-U.S.

Gov't

PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering

an opinion.

Sheri

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

actually

http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

said that.

as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web

page:

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.html

A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains

a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help

fight the illness.

Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

worked.

'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.

Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

and

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove

homeopathy works

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.

I am a homeopath (previously an RN)

Books documenting research -

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/product=1796

And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/by_category.jsp?id=11

Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational

science)

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124

and

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract

: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003

Mar;22(3):229-34. Related Articles, Links

Click here to read

Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results

and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical

trials.

s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers

D.

Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington

School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA.

jjacobs@...

BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive

treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute

childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at

or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies

followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three

studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three

double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to

5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive

either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a

single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily

stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to

monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until

there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A

metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also

conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3

days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P =

0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of

approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these

studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the

duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes

be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical

power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral

rehydration for this illness.

Publication Types:

* Comparative Study

* Meta-Analysis

* Research Support, Non-U.S.

Gov't

PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering

an opinion.

Sheri

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian

Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

actually

http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

said that.

as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web

page:

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-again.html

A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains

a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help

fight the illness.

Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

worked.

'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.

Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

and

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove

homeopathy works

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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Kirk:

Then why did you use homeopathy to support your initial thesis today -

that onions (and garlic) are harmful?

For if you agree with this web page, you obviously think homeopathic

medicine is fraudulent. And if you think homeopathy is fraudulent,

you obviously don't believe in it. And if you don't believe in it,

then why did you use your interpretation of it as an argument on which

to base your postulate that onions are harmful?

I don't have any problem with someone not seeing the benefit of

homeopathy, but I think it's too convenient for you to use homeopathy

as a basis of information from which draw support for a thesis when

you don't believe in homeopathic science to begin with - - - - this is

illogical.

t

On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:

> actually

> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> said that.

>

> as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

>

>

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-agai\

n.html

> A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one

> trillion, trillion parts of water.

> Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are

> unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim

> the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it

> passes to the body to help fight the illness.

>

> Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

> complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

> controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

> worked.

>

> 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to

> demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

>

> However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

> continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

>

> Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

> those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on

> flawed studies, he claimed.

>

> Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

> Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

>

> 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

> researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

>

> 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

> because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

>

> One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered

> by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

>

>

>

> and

>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

> Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy

> works

>

>

> Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

>

>

>

> > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the

> > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this

> > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions

> > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are

> > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,

> > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also

> > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent

> > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,

> > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.

> > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and

> > spiritually.

> >

> > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered

> > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and

> > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is

> > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in

> > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health

> > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic

> > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the

> > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken

> > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: " garlic

> > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism

> > bacteria. " Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman

> > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is " more harmful than

> hemlock. " (7)

> >

> > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are

> > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's

> > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications.

> > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect

> > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.

> > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes

> > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny

> > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)

> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge

> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> >

> > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the

> > cells of the body.

> >

> > • Bring a pot of water to boil.

> > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large

> > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.

> > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.

> > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.

> > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to

> the

> > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a

> > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.

> > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely

> > remove the garlic from your body.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Kirk:

Then why did you use homeopathy to support your initial thesis today -

that onions (and garlic) are harmful?

For if you agree with this web page, you obviously think homeopathic

medicine is fraudulent. And if you think homeopathy is fraudulent,

you obviously don't believe in it. And if you don't believe in it,

then why did you use your interpretation of it as an argument on which

to base your postulate that onions are harmful?

I don't have any problem with someone not seeing the benefit of

homeopathy, but I think it's too convenient for you to use homeopathy

as a basis of information from which draw support for a thesis when

you don't believe in homeopathic science to begin with - - - - this is

illogical.

t

On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:

> actually

> http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> said that.

>

> as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

>

>

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/06/homeopathy-exposed-as-fraud-agai\

n.html

> A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one

> trillion, trillion parts of water.

> Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are

> unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim

> the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it

> passes to the body to help fight the illness.

>

> Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

> complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

> controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

> worked.

>

> 'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to

> demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

>

> However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

> continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

>

> Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

> those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on

> flawed studies, he claimed.

>

> Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

> Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

>

> 'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

> researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

>

> 'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

> because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

>

> One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered

> by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

>

>

>

> and

>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

> Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy

> works

>

>

> Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

>

>

>

> > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the

> > alliaceous family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this

> > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions

> > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are

> > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,

> > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also

> > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent

> > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,

> > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.

> > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and

> > spiritually.

> >

> > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered

> > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and

> > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is

> > garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in

> > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health

> > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic

> > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the

> > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken

> > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: " garlic

> > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism

> > bacteria. " Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman

> > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is " more harmful than

> hemlock. " (7)

> >

> > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are

> > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's

> > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical medications.

> > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect

> > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.

> > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes

> > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny

> > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)

> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge

> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> >

> > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the

> > cells of the body.

> >

> > • Bring a pot of water to boil.

> > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large

> > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.

> > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.

> > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.

> > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to

> the

> > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a

> > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.

> > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely

> > remove the garlic from your body.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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It was part of the page. If I give a URL and then cherry pick I alter the authors content.That is misleading. I dont speak the world according to Kirk. I present what the author at the URL speaks. The prior points of the article are what attracted my attention.KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934>> > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the> > alliaceous

family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this> > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions> > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are> > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,> > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also> > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent> > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,> > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.> > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and> > spiritually.> >> > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered> > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and> > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is> >

garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in> > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health> > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic> > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the> > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken> > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic> > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism> > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman> > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than > hemlock."(7)> >> > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are> > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's> > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical

medications.> > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect> > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.> > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes> > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny> > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >> > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the> > cells of the body.> >> >

• Bring a pot of water to boil.> > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large> > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to > the> > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a> > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely> > remove the garlic from your body.> >> >> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>>

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It was part of the page. If I give a URL and then cherry pick I alter the authors content.That is misleading. I dont speak the world according to Kirk. I present what the author at the URL speaks. The prior points of the article are what attracted my attention.KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934>> > The Taoists realized thousands of years ago that plants of the> > alliaceous

family were detrimental to humans.(3) They labeled this> > group of plants onions, garlic, leeks, chives and spring onions> > the 'five spicy-scented plants.' They noticed that onions are> > harmful to the lungs, garlic to the heart, leeks to the spleen,> > chives to the liver and spring onions to the kidneys. Hindus also> > avoid this group, which they have called the 'five pungent> > plants.'(4) As well as producing offensive breath and body odour,> > these plants induce aggravation, agitation, anxiety and aggression.> > Thus they are harmful physically, emotionally, mentally and> > spiritually.> >> > Even when garlic is used as food in Chinese culture it is considered> > harmful to the stomach, liver and eyes, and a cause of dizziness and> > scattered energy when consumed in immoderate amounts.(5) Nor is> >

garlic always seen as having entirely beneficial properties in> > Western cooking and medicine. It is widely accepted among health> > care professionals that, as well as killing harmful bacteria, garlic> > also destroys beneficial bacteria,(6) which are essential to the> > proper functioning of the digestive system. Furthermore, Ken> > Bergeron, in Professional Vegetarian Cooking, p. 16, writes: "garlic> > in the raw state can carry harmful (potentially fatal) botulism> > bacteria." Perhaps it is with an awareness of this that the Roman> > poet Horace wrote of garlic that it is "more harmful than > hemlock."(7)> >> > In the practice of Reiki, we have noticed that garlic and onions are> > some of the first toxic substances that are expelled from a person's> > system along with tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical

medications.> > This makes it apparent that alliaceous plants have a negative effect> > on the human body and should be avoided for health reasons.> > Homeopathic medicine comes to the same conclusion when it recognizes> > that red onion produces a dry cough, watery eyes, sneezing, runny> > nose and other familiar cold-related symptoms when consumed.(8)> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> > Reiki Empowerment Seminars: Taoist Knowledge> > http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html> >> > Ancient remedy to remove the negative effects of garlic oil from the> > cells of the body.> >> >

• Bring a pot of water to boil.> > • Take pot off the heat, then place in the pot of water a large> > clump of Parsley, add some sliced Lemons.> > • Cover and let ingredients sit for 15 minutes to infuse.> > • Drink the tea mixture and eat the parsley only.> > • The remedy begins the process to bring clarity and focus to > the> > mind as well as assisting the body's digestion process, to Give a> > fresh feeling within and enhance all of your senses.> > Without this tea remedy it can take up to 6 months to completely> > remove the garlic from your body.> >> >> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------>>

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There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince me is workable. Organic agents, maybe...

From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AMSubject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy

Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.I am a homeopath (previously an RN)Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science)http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124andhttp://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez?

db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobsigc (DOT) org BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were

analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized

homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.SheriSheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USAVaccines - http://www.nccn.

net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htmVaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/homeo. htmAt 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any

evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth

watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince me is workable. Organic agents, maybe...

From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AMSubject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy

Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.I am a homeopath (previously an RN)Books documenting research - http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational science)http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124andhttp://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez?

db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34. Related Articles, Links Click here to read Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical trials. s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers D. Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA. jjacobsigc (DOT) org BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three studies were

analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to 5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3 days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P = 0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these studies confirm that individualized

homeopathic treatment decreases the duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral rehydration for this illness. Publication Types: * Comparative Study * Meta-Analysis * Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.SheriSheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USAVaccines - http://www.nccn.

net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htmVaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwith in1.com/homeo. htmAt 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

actuallyhttp://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.htmlsaid that.as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any

evidence that homeopathy worked.'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth

watching.andhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy worksRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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>So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then .KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934

actually

http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html

said that.

as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web

page:

http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html

A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains

a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help

fight the illness.

Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

worked.

'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.

Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

and

http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove

homeopathy works

Read more:

http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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>So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering an opinion.They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then .KirkToday's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934

actually

http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html

said that.

as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web

page:

http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html

A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains

a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help

fight the illness.

Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

worked.

'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.

Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

and

http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove

homeopathy works

Read more:

http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury

poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case

including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move

a person toward overall cure.

A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.

Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any

molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of

similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.

It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate.

:) Liz

>

>  

> >

> >actually

> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> >said that.

> >

> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

> >

> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as-

fraud-again. html

> >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a

'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the

illness.

> >

> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary

medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed

to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.

> >

> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

> >

> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue

to claim there is hard proof, he said.

> >

> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those

that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he

claimed.

> >

> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor

Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

> >

> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a

Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

> >

> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because

the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

> >

> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

> >

> >

> >

> >and

>

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\

-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

> >

> >

> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

> >

> >

> >Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

>

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Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury

poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case

including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move

a person toward overall cure.

A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.

Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any

molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of

similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.

It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate.

:) Liz

>

>  

> >

> >actually

> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> >said that.

> >

> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

> >

> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as-

fraud-again. html

> >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a

'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the

illness.

> >

> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary

medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed

to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.

> >

> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

> >

> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue

to claim there is hard proof, he said.

> >

> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those

that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he

claimed.

> >

> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor

Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

> >

> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a

Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

> >

> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because

the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

> >

> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

> >

> >

> >

> >and

>

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\

-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

> >

> >

> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

> >

> >

> >Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

>

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Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury

poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case

including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move

a person toward overall cure.

A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.

Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any

molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of

similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.

It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate.

:) Liz

>

>  

> >

> >actually

> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> >said that.

> >

> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

> >

> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as-

fraud-again. html

> >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a

'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the

illness.

> >

> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary

medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed

to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.

> >

> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

> >

> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue

to claim there is hard proof, he said.

> >

> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those

that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he

claimed.

> >

> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor

Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

> >

> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a

Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

> >

> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because

the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

> >

> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

> >

> >

> >

> >and

>

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\

-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

> >

> >

> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

> >

> >

> >Read more:

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Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury

poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case

including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move

a person toward overall cure.

A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.

Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any

molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of

similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.

It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate.

:) Liz

>

>  

> >

> >actually

> >http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

> >said that.

> >

> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

> >

> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as-

fraud-again. html

> >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a

'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the

illness.

> >

> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary

medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed

to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.

> >

> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

> >

> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue

to claim there is hard proof, he said.

> >

> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those

that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he

claimed.

> >

> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor

Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

> >

> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a

Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

> >

> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because

the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

> >

> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

> >

> >

> >

> >and

>

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000\

-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

> >

> >

> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

> >

> >

> >Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-\

person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria.Kirk Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla,

Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM

Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure.

A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.

Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.

It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate.

:) Liz

>

>

> >

> >actually

> >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html

> >said that.

> >

> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

> >

> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html

> >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.

> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.

> >

> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.

> >

> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

> >

> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

> >

> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.

> >

> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

> >

> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

> >

> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

> >

> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

> >

> >

> >

> >and

> >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html

> >

> >

> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

> >

> >

> >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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But the alleged energetic imprint is not demonstrable, in fact if flies in the face of all we have learned about physics and chemistry. Water is highly mobile. Its polar structure is constantly in motion. The idea of energetic imprint is a construct - an attempt to find a causality in the physical world. Any physicist can explain why the theory is wrong. At least get a different theory, one that is not so demonstrably false. Imprints require enough stability to not destroy the imprint. Water fails in that criteria.Kirk Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventuallybuild a structure which has no relation to reality.Nikola Tesla,

Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934From: lightspirals <lightspirals@...>Subject: Re: onion/homeopathyno-forced-vaccination Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:23 AM

Alan - we do not use homeopathic mercury to '*protect* against mercury poisoning'. When someone is ill, no matter the cause(s), we take a full case including all medical, emotional & mental history and the match is made to move a person toward overall cure.

A mercury poisoning case may not need mercury the remedy, but another remedy.

Then, the remedy itself, should mercury be chosen, no longer contains any molecules of the metal...only it's energetic imprint, which by the law of similars would help resolve similar pathology that the crude substance caused.

It's these fundamental misunderstandings about homeopathy that are unfortunate.

:) Liz

>

>

> >

> >actually

> >http://www.reikiemp owermentseminars .com.au/assets/ taoist.html

> >said that.

> >

> >as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web page:

> >

> >http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy- exposed-as- fraud-again. html

> >A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion, trillion parts of water.

> >Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help fight the illness.

> >

> >Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy worked.

> >

> >'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

> >

> >However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

> >

> >Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed studies, he claimed.

> >

> >Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

> >

> >'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

> >

> >'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

> >

> >One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

> >

> >

> >

> >and

> >http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html

> >

> >

> >Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove homeopathy works

> >

> >

> >Read more: http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1026966/ Leading-professo r-offers- 10-000-person- prove-homeopathy -works.html# ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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At 06:17 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote

exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against

mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince

me is workable. Organic agents, maybe...

I know of no homeopath who thinks that exposure to poisonous mercury (in

a gross amount or in a remedy) protects against mercury

poisoning)

Mercurius is one of our remedies but used in very dilute doses where no

molecule remains of mercury, in most cases.

Mercury produces a certain set of toxic symptoms in a healthy

person. If a person already has symptoms that look like mercury

poisoning, the mercurius, the remedy may be one that helps to cure.

But it may be another remedy too - depends on the whole symptom

picture.

You have to understand homeopathy

A substance that will produce a certain set of symptoms in a healthy

person will the the same substance in remedy form that will cure an ill

person with a similar set of symptoms.

The remedy is not given in a material dose but in a diluted and energized

dose. I suppose someday they will discover that the energy of the

substance is what is curing.

People judge homeopathy on too little information and

understanding. Kind of like judging Quantum Physics can't work or

is dangerous from only reading cartoon in a paper one day.

Sheri

From: Sheri Nakken

<vaccinedangers@...>

no-forced-vaccination

Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy

Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.

I am a homeopath (previously an RN)

Books documenting research -

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36

http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796

And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'

http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11

Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational

science)

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124

and

http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez?

db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract

: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34.

Related Articles, Links

Click here to read

Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results

and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical

trials.

s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers

D.

Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington

School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA.

jjacobsigc (DOT) org

BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive

treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute

childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at

or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies

followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three

studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three

double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to

5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive

either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a

single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily

stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to

monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until

there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A

metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also

conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3

days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P =

0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of

approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these

studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the

duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes

be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical

power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral

rehydration for this illness.

Publication Types:

* Comparative Study

* Meta-Analysis

* Research Support, Non-U.S.

Gov't

PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering

an opinion.

Sheri

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://www.nccn.

net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwith

in1.com/vaccine. htm

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwith

in1.com/homeo. htm

At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

actually

http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

said that.

as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web

page:

http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy-

exposed-as- fraud-again. html

A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains

a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help

fight the illness.

Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

worked.

'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.

Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

and

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove

homeopathy works

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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At 06:17 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

There may be something to homepathy, but when it's adherents promote

exposure to poisonous mercury as something that will protect against

mercury poisoning, I've been lost. That's something no one could convince

me is workable. Organic agents, maybe...

I know of no homeopath who thinks that exposure to poisonous mercury (in

a gross amount or in a remedy) protects against mercury

poisoning)

Mercurius is one of our remedies but used in very dilute doses where no

molecule remains of mercury, in most cases.

Mercury produces a certain set of toxic symptoms in a healthy

person. If a person already has symptoms that look like mercury

poisoning, the mercurius, the remedy may be one that helps to cure.

But it may be another remedy too - depends on the whole symptom

picture.

You have to understand homeopathy

A substance that will produce a certain set of symptoms in a healthy

person will the the same substance in remedy form that will cure an ill

person with a similar set of symptoms.

The remedy is not given in a material dose but in a diluted and energized

dose. I suppose someday they will discover that the energy of the

substance is what is curing.

People judge homeopathy on too little information and

understanding. Kind of like judging Quantum Physics can't work or

is dangerous from only reading cartoon in a paper one day.

Sheri

From: Sheri Nakken

<vaccinedangers@...>

no-forced-vaccination

Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 7:37:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: onion/homeopathy

Well, there are lots of us who don't agree with you.

I am a homeopath (previously an RN)

Books documenting research -

http://www.homeopathic.com/store/category=36

http://www.homeopat hic.com/store/ product=1796

And there is much research out there proving homeopathy 'works'

http://www.homeopat hic.com/articles /by_category. jsp?id=11

Homeopathy is an empirical science (differing from a rational

science)

http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,124

and

http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez?

db=PubMed & cmd=Retrieve & list_uids=12634583 & dopt=Abstract

: Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2003 Mar;22(3):229- 34.

Related Articles, Links

Click here to read

Homeopathy for childhood diarrhea: combined results

and metaanalysis from three randomized, controlled clinical

trials.

s J, Jonas WB, Jiménez-Pérez M, Crothers

D.

Department of Epidemiology, University of Washington

School of Public Health and Community Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA.

jjacobsigc (DOT) org

BACKGROUND: Previous studies have shown a positive

treatment effect of individualized homeopathic treatment for acute

childhood diarrhea, but sample sizes were small and results were just at

or near the level of statistical significance. Because all three studies

followed the same basic study design, the combined data from these three

studies were analyzed to obtain greater statistical power. METHODS: Three

double blind clinical trials of diarrhea in 242 children ages 6 months to

5 years were analyzed as 1 group. Children were randomized to receive

either an individualized homeopathic medicine or placebo to be taken as a

single dose after each unformed stool for 5 days. Parents recorded daily

stools on diary cards, and health workers made home visits daily to

monitor children. The duration of diarrhea was defined as the time until

there were less than 3 unformed stools per day for 2 consecutive days. A

metaanalysis of the effect-size difference of the three studies was also

conducted. RESULTS: Combined analysis shows a duration of diarrhea of 3.3

days in the homeopathy group compared with 4.1 in the placebo group (P =

0.008). The metaanalysis shows a consistent effect-size difference of

approximately 0.66 day (P = 0.008). CONCLUSIONS: The results from these

studies confirm that individualized homeopathic treatment decreases the

duration of acute childhood diarrhea and suggest that larger sample sizes

be used in future homeopathic research to ensure adequate statistical

power. Homeopathy should be considered for use as an adjunct to oral

rehydration for this illness.

Publication Types:

* Comparative Study

* Meta-Analysis

* Research Support, Non-U.S.

Gov't

PMID: 12634583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from offering

an opinion.

Sheri

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines -

http://www.nccn.

net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwith

in1.com/vaccine. htm

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy

Online/email courses - next classes start October 28 & 29

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwith

in1.com/homeo. htm

At 09:48 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

actually

http://www.reikiempowermentseminars.com.au/assets/taoist.html

said that.

as for my personal opinion re homeopathy I agree with this web

page:

http://bayourenaiss anceman.blogspot .com/2008/ 06/homeopathy-

exposed-as- fraud-again. html

A typical remedy could have one part of an ingredient to one trillion,

trillion parts of water.

Although scientists argue the 'cures' are so diluted they are unlikely to

contain any of the original substance, homeopaths claim the water retains

a 'memory' of the active ingredient, which it passes to the body to help

fight the illness.

Professor Ernst - a former homeopath himself who now researches

complementary medicine at Exeter University - said 200 strictly

controlled trials had failed to find any evidence that homeopathy

worked.

'If you do a systematic look at all the evidence you fail to demonstrate

strong evidence in favour of homeopathy,' he added.

However, despite the lack of evidence, supporters of the treatment

continue to claim there is hard proof, he said.

Some selectively pick studies that support the treatment, but ignore

those that don't, or misquote the findings of trials, or rely on flawed

studies, he claimed.

Dr Simon Singh, who co-authored the book Trick or Treatment with

Professor Ernst, said homeopathy only worked as a placebo.

'If homeopathy could be proven to be effective it might earn the

researcher a Nobel Prize in Medicine,' he said.

'He or she would also deserve Nobel prizes in chemistry and physics

because the laws of science would need to be re-written.'

One of the best debunkings of homeopathy I've ever seen is delivered by

Randi in the video clip below. It's worth watching.

and

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html

Leading professor offers £10,000 to first person to prove

homeopathy works

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026966/Leading-professor-offers-10-000-person-prove-homeopathy-works.html#ixzz0UJ5RUepX

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You don't know the whole history of this and the story.

And its a similar story for the skeptics that harass all of us about

vaccines being perfectly safe.

Here is what happened - found this nice synopses and further

details

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/surprise-homeopathy-cant-cure-aids-tb-or-malaria/

" Please do not insult our intelligence by mentioning any

“prizes” put forth by the “amazing” Randi for anything. A Greek Homeopath

named Vithoulkas spent 5 YEARS in “negotiations” with Randi to set up a

test for Homeopathy. Vithoulkas catered to Randi’s every whim and

requirement. Then, at a crucial moment in the final negotiations, Randi

fell ill. OK, no big deal there…. Vithoulkas waited…and waited… until one

day, to Vithoulkas’ amazement, it was reported on Randi’s web site that

Vithoulkas had “broken off” the negotiations. Astounded, Vithoulkas

contacted Randi and finally got through only to be told that all

negotiations were discarded and that Vithoulkas would have to begin

again!!!

One can immediately imagine how this process could be extended

indefinitely – for example, can the challenger “prove” that cosmic rays

will not interfere with the results?

The whole thing was, in my opinion, a beautiful publicity stunt and

nothing more. Anyone who attaches any significance at all to Randi, his

challenge or anything else related to him is participating in and

prolonging a publicity stunt, in my opinion, and nothing

more. "

http://www.naturalnews.com/025627.html

Randi Backs Out of Challenge with Homeopath Vithoulkas

Saturday, February 14, 2009

(NaturalNews) A long tussle concerning the validity of Homeopathy between

the world`s most famous homeopath and probably the world`s most well

known `quackbuster` appears to have come to head in December 2008 after 5

years of to-ing and fro-ing. On the one side is Homeopath

Vithoulkas, whose International Academy for Classical Homeopathy is based

on the island of Alonissos in Greece. On the other is American magician

and skeptic, Randi who heads what he calls The Randi

Educational Foundation, based in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Vithoulkas and

Randi are equally passionate in their diametrically opposed views and an

easy meeting of minds was never very likely.

For several years Randi has had one million dollars on offer to

anyone that can demonstrate paranormal or supernatural powers or events.

Understandably he has very strict criteria and rules to the challenge,

and to date nobody has passed even the preliminary stages of the

application process. Various psychics, astrologers, clairvoyants and

dowsers have applied over the years. Also listed as failed applicants on

his website are practitioners of arts that could redefine the meaning of

the word esoteric, such as, `paranormal urination` and `internet sex

dowsing` and someone called a `metal visionary`.

Like all members of the skeptic fraternity, Randi is anti alternative

medicine. He considers homeopathy to be bogus and classes it as

supernatural because homeopaths use remedies diluted beyond Avogadro`s

constant. These remedies therefore should not, according to conventional

science, have any biological effect. Randi has been involved in a few

attempts at debunking homeopathy over the years, and is one of it`s

fiercest critics.

A group of homeopaths led by the renowned Greek homeopath

Vithoulkas began the process of attempting to win Randi`s one million

dollars in 2003. Vithoulkas was largely responsible for the resurgence of

interest in classical homeopathy in the 1970s and 1980s . He had been

upset by what he considered to be badly constructed experiments

previously carried out in the hope of demonstrating the validity of

Homeopathy. One of these failed experiments, involving Randi, was

broadcast on BBC television in 2003. It was one of the main impetuses

behind Vithoulkas` decision to devote his 40 years of Homeopathic

experience to putting the record straight.

A team of skeptics was set up to represent Randi. This team, and the

group of homeopaths led by Vithoulkas, started conducting

preparatory work to the trial in 2003. A protocol was devised by a group

of international scientists and the experiment was to take place in a

hospital in Athens. The experiment involved homeopaths, under Vithoulkas`

supervision, prescribing individualized remedies to a number of patients

in a double blind fashion with half of the patients receiving placebo,

and the other half a real remedy.

All seemed to be going well when in August 2006, Vithoulkas received a

signed agreement from Randi in which he stated that he was satisfied with

the suggested protocol. He also waived the need for a preliminary test -

the part of the process that had foiled every applicant up to that point.

However Randi then delayed the start of the experiment owing to health

problems and lack of sufficient funding. Apparently Randi was asked by

Vithoulkas to assign a representative in his absence while funding was

being sought but Randi refused to do so. He also told the homeopaths that

he needed 6 months to recuperate from his unspecified health

problems.

This 6 month period, according to Vithoulkas, was critical. It coincided

with the appointment of a new Mayor of Athens who installed a new

chairman of the scientific committee and a new president of the hospital

that was to be used for the experiment. Vithoulkas claims that Randi knew

of theses impending changes and was looking for a way of getting out of

the challenge. It certainly was the most rigorous and well organized

attempt to win the one million dollars that had ever been attempted. The

Homeopaths believe that Randi got cold feet for this reason.

After a further 2 years of negotiating with the new authorities, the

Homeopaths finally got the go ahead in Athens and started putting the

final touches to the arrangements. In September 2008, a two day meeting

was held in Greece between two of Randi`s representatives, plus Dr.

Menachem Oberbaum, principal investigator of the experiment, and

Vithoulkas.

After this meeting the homeopaths thought everything was ready to go

ahead but they were in for a rude surprise. In October 2008, one month

after the meeting, they received the following communication from

Randi:

" Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What

appears here is the current status. First, we require that

Vithoulkas submit a regular, properly-filled-out application and submit

it just as we require everyone to do. After that has been received, we`ll

go ahead as with any regular applicant - with the arrangements, including

the requirement for the preliminary stage " .

This new turn of events understandably infuriated Vithoulkas after his 5

years of toil. To make matters worse, Randi, according to Vithoulkas,

claimed on his website (www.randi.org)

that the homeopaths had withdrawn from the experiment. This accusation is

strenuously denied by Vithoulkas.

It seems that all is not lost however (apart, maybe from $1,000,000). The

experiment may still go ahead with the participation of skeptics Alec

Gindis and Hrasko Gabor who were originally representing Randi. They

apparently wish to see through to the end what has been a long drawn out

process. Vithoulkas is also keen to persevere as he believes strongly

that the right type of experiment can prove to the critics that

Homeopathic remedies do have a biological effect.

Watch this space.

A complete account of the story can be found on Vithoulkas`

website

http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1973/lang,en/

At 06:38 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

>So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from

offering an opinion.

They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then .

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You don't know the whole history of this and the story.

And its a similar story for the skeptics that harass all of us about

vaccines being perfectly safe.

Here is what happened - found this nice synopses and further

details

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/surprise-homeopathy-cant-cure-aids-tb-or-malaria/

" Please do not insult our intelligence by mentioning any

“prizes” put forth by the “amazing” Randi for anything. A Greek Homeopath

named Vithoulkas spent 5 YEARS in “negotiations” with Randi to set up a

test for Homeopathy. Vithoulkas catered to Randi’s every whim and

requirement. Then, at a crucial moment in the final negotiations, Randi

fell ill. OK, no big deal there…. Vithoulkas waited…and waited… until one

day, to Vithoulkas’ amazement, it was reported on Randi’s web site that

Vithoulkas had “broken off” the negotiations. Astounded, Vithoulkas

contacted Randi and finally got through only to be told that all

negotiations were discarded and that Vithoulkas would have to begin

again!!!

One can immediately imagine how this process could be extended

indefinitely – for example, can the challenger “prove” that cosmic rays

will not interfere with the results?

The whole thing was, in my opinion, a beautiful publicity stunt and

nothing more. Anyone who attaches any significance at all to Randi, his

challenge or anything else related to him is participating in and

prolonging a publicity stunt, in my opinion, and nothing

more. "

http://www.naturalnews.com/025627.html

Randi Backs Out of Challenge with Homeopath Vithoulkas

Saturday, February 14, 2009

(NaturalNews) A long tussle concerning the validity of Homeopathy between

the world`s most famous homeopath and probably the world`s most well

known `quackbuster` appears to have come to head in December 2008 after 5

years of to-ing and fro-ing. On the one side is Homeopath

Vithoulkas, whose International Academy for Classical Homeopathy is based

on the island of Alonissos in Greece. On the other is American magician

and skeptic, Randi who heads what he calls The Randi

Educational Foundation, based in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Vithoulkas and

Randi are equally passionate in their diametrically opposed views and an

easy meeting of minds was never very likely.

For several years Randi has had one million dollars on offer to

anyone that can demonstrate paranormal or supernatural powers or events.

Understandably he has very strict criteria and rules to the challenge,

and to date nobody has passed even the preliminary stages of the

application process. Various psychics, astrologers, clairvoyants and

dowsers have applied over the years. Also listed as failed applicants on

his website are practitioners of arts that could redefine the meaning of

the word esoteric, such as, `paranormal urination` and `internet sex

dowsing` and someone called a `metal visionary`.

Like all members of the skeptic fraternity, Randi is anti alternative

medicine. He considers homeopathy to be bogus and classes it as

supernatural because homeopaths use remedies diluted beyond Avogadro`s

constant. These remedies therefore should not, according to conventional

science, have any biological effect. Randi has been involved in a few

attempts at debunking homeopathy over the years, and is one of it`s

fiercest critics.

A group of homeopaths led by the renowned Greek homeopath

Vithoulkas began the process of attempting to win Randi`s one million

dollars in 2003. Vithoulkas was largely responsible for the resurgence of

interest in classical homeopathy in the 1970s and 1980s . He had been

upset by what he considered to be badly constructed experiments

previously carried out in the hope of demonstrating the validity of

Homeopathy. One of these failed experiments, involving Randi, was

broadcast on BBC television in 2003. It was one of the main impetuses

behind Vithoulkas` decision to devote his 40 years of Homeopathic

experience to putting the record straight.

A team of skeptics was set up to represent Randi. This team, and the

group of homeopaths led by Vithoulkas, started conducting

preparatory work to the trial in 2003. A protocol was devised by a group

of international scientists and the experiment was to take place in a

hospital in Athens. The experiment involved homeopaths, under Vithoulkas`

supervision, prescribing individualized remedies to a number of patients

in a double blind fashion with half of the patients receiving placebo,

and the other half a real remedy.

All seemed to be going well when in August 2006, Vithoulkas received a

signed agreement from Randi in which he stated that he was satisfied with

the suggested protocol. He also waived the need for a preliminary test -

the part of the process that had foiled every applicant up to that point.

However Randi then delayed the start of the experiment owing to health

problems and lack of sufficient funding. Apparently Randi was asked by

Vithoulkas to assign a representative in his absence while funding was

being sought but Randi refused to do so. He also told the homeopaths that

he needed 6 months to recuperate from his unspecified health

problems.

This 6 month period, according to Vithoulkas, was critical. It coincided

with the appointment of a new Mayor of Athens who installed a new

chairman of the scientific committee and a new president of the hospital

that was to be used for the experiment. Vithoulkas claims that Randi knew

of theses impending changes and was looking for a way of getting out of

the challenge. It certainly was the most rigorous and well organized

attempt to win the one million dollars that had ever been attempted. The

Homeopaths believe that Randi got cold feet for this reason.

After a further 2 years of negotiating with the new authorities, the

Homeopaths finally got the go ahead in Athens and started putting the

final touches to the arrangements. In September 2008, a two day meeting

was held in Greece between two of Randi`s representatives, plus Dr.

Menachem Oberbaum, principal investigator of the experiment, and

Vithoulkas.

After this meeting the homeopaths thought everything was ready to go

ahead but they were in for a rude surprise. In October 2008, one month

after the meeting, they received the following communication from

Randi:

" Forget all previous correspondence exchanged on the subject. What

appears here is the current status. First, we require that

Vithoulkas submit a regular, properly-filled-out application and submit

it just as we require everyone to do. After that has been received, we`ll

go ahead as with any regular applicant - with the arrangements, including

the requirement for the preliminary stage " .

This new turn of events understandably infuriated Vithoulkas after his 5

years of toil. To make matters worse, Randi, according to Vithoulkas,

claimed on his website (www.randi.org)

that the homeopaths had withdrawn from the experiment. This accusation is

strenuously denied by Vithoulkas.

It seems that all is not lost however (apart, maybe from $1,000,000). The

experiment may still go ahead with the participation of skeptics Alec

Gindis and Hrasko Gabor who were originally representing Randi. They

apparently wish to see through to the end what has been a long drawn out

process. Vithoulkas is also keen to persevere as he believes strongly

that the right type of experiment can prove to the critics that

Homeopathic remedies do have a biological effect.

Watch this space.

A complete account of the story can be found on Vithoulkas`

website

http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/1973/lang,en/

At 06:38 PM 10/18/2009, you wrote:

>So until you have educated yourself you may want to refrain from

offering an opinion.

They should go for the 10,000 pound prize then .

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