Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Charlie, You have a ton of great data in the powerpoint document. I've just started looking it over. On the side effects you could go on all day which may not be the best thing to do in that format. If you really wanted to list them all I will help you, or just the really nasty ones. One big thing that slows me down and also frightens me is the technical terms they use for some side effects like eye brow twitching gets turned into " supraciliary effusions " . What a great way to hide side effects eh? I did notice a typo (I think) in panel 11 " editation " looks like it should be " medication " and " andover " to " and over " . I like it! Jim I have updated the information portion of the site again any feedback or suggestions are more than welcome (Please) http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpenter/Video.html?1135356607513 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I don't want to nor do I think it possible to list all of the side effects. I just want this to be a tool to show the potential for harm and distruction of both the patient and their loved ones. For example I listed loss of inhibition because the limitations we live within are what make us who we are while Zaps are still just as real but will have less impact on the reader. I know powerpoint isn't necessarily the best choice but it's what I had and it can be bundled with powerpoint reader so if you have a computer and a cd drive you'll be able to view the information. We've all spent a lot of time doing research that the average person will not take the time to do unless they happen to get victimized by one of these drugs. I'm counting on feedback from people in the groups I'm in to make this as good as it can be. I'm not doing this for any sort of credit, I simply don't want anyone else to go through what we have gone through if I can help it. > > Charlie, > > You have a ton of great data in the powerpoint document. I've just started > looking it over. On the side effects you could go on all day which may not > be the best thing to do in that format. If you really wanted to list them > all I will help you, or just the really nasty ones. One big thing that slows > me down and also frightens me is the technical terms they use for some side > effects like eye brow twitching gets turned into " supraciliary effusions " . > What a great way to hide side effects eh? > > I did notice a typo (I think) in panel 11 " editation " looks like it should > be " medication " and " andover " to " and over " . > > I like it! > > Jim > > > I have updated the information portion of the site again any feedback > or suggestions are more than welcome (Please) > > http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpenter/Video.html?1135356607513 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Charlie: I have to agree with Jim (surprise!) but I wasn't going to say anything until I let my daughters and husband look over the copies of the slide that I made. Well, they looked them over last night and all three of them said the side effects part was way too technical. They think we should " dumb it down " so the average, uninformed person will recognize the terms. For instance, " akathisia " is not a term we use or hear. But " intolerable physical restlessness and agitation " is understandable. We want people who have experienced or know someone who has experienced these side effects to " click " and say " Wow, everything in here must be true. So-and-so had that side effect. " or " Now I understand that it is the drug - not my " illness " - that makes me feel this way. " Using correct, but uber-technical, terms is one of the ways the drug companies keep us too stupid to know they are killing us - it is no accident that the FDA allows them to use scientific terms to describe side effects - it's a matter of complying with the letter but not the spirit of the law. What might be cool would be to dumb down the definitions but create a link to a website that has the technical side effects listed, like www.antidepressantsfacts.com or maybe even the link to each drug's own side effects page. You could put a statement in that said something like " In an effort to help people understand all that is known about these drugs and their potentially dangerous, permanent and/or fatal side effects, scientific jargon has been translated into commonly used language. To read the full list of side effects and precautionary warnings about antidepressants, please visit: Antidepressants Facts: http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/antidepressants-ADF.htm or see official drug company side effects lists, FDA-mandated warnings and other disclaimers at their websites: Effexor XR: http://www.effexorxr.com/sideeffects.asp. Prozac: http://www.prozac.com/how_prozac/safety_facts.jsp?reqNavId=2.5 Wellbutrin: http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_wellbutrinXL.pdf etc, etc, etc. In communications class, I was taught that the first thing to do when planning a project is to determine your target audience(s) and method(s) of distribution. I think it would help if we talked about who we want to reach and how we are going to do it. Then maybe we can figure out the average " DQ " (dumbness quotient) and make sure we don't make their eyes glaze over with techno-talk. Most people haven't been avidly reading every piece of info about these drugs they can like we have. We are a bit odd, you know. The next DSM will probably list people like us as suffering from terminal cases of " anti-depressant side-effect disclosure obsessive disorder " - or ADSDOD. BTW, great work! Please accept my comments as they are meant - to help you create one kick a** CD - which you're well on your way to doing. Terry Jim <mofunnow@...> wrote: Charlie, You have a ton of great data in the powerpoint document. I've just started looking it over. On the side effects you could go on all day which may not be the best thing to do in that format. If you really wanted to list them all I will help you, or just the really nasty ones. One big thing that slows me down and also frightens me is the technical terms they use for some side effects like eye brow twitching gets turned into " supraciliary effusions " . What a great way to hide side effects eh? I did notice a typo (I think) in panel 11 " editation " looks like it should be " medication " and " andover " to " and over " . I like it! Jim I have updated the information portion of the site again any feedback or suggestions are more than welcome (Please) http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpenter/Video.html?1135356607513 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 Charlie: I have to agree with Jim (surprise!) but I wasn't going to say anything until I let my daughters and husband look over the copies of the slide that I made. Well, they looked them over last night and all three of them said the side effects part was way too technical. They think we should " dumb it down " so the average, uninformed person will recognize the terms. For instance, " akathisia " is not a term we use or hear. But " intolerable physical restlessness and agitation " is understandable. We want people who have experienced or know someone who has experienced these side effects to " click " and say " Wow, everything in here must be true. So-and-so had that side effect. " or " Now I understand that it is the drug - not my " illness " - that makes me feel this way. " Using correct, but uber-technical, terms is one of the ways the drug companies keep us too stupid to know they are killing us - it is no accident that the FDA allows them to use scientific terms to describe side effects - it's a matter of complying with the letter but not the spirit of the law. What might be cool would be to dumb down the definitions but create a link to a website that has the technical side effects listed, like www.antidepressantsfacts.com or maybe even the link to each drug's own side effects page. You could put a statement in that said something like " In an effort to help people understand all that is known about these drugs and their potentially dangerous, permanent and/or fatal side effects, scientific jargon has been translated into commonly used language. To read the full list of side effects and precautionary warnings about antidepressants, please visit: Antidepressants Facts: http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/antidepressants-ADF.htm or see official drug company side effects lists, FDA-mandated warnings and other disclaimers at their websites: Effexor XR: http://www.effexorxr.com/sideeffects.asp. Prozac: http://www.prozac.com/how_prozac/safety_facts.jsp?reqNavId=2.5 Wellbutrin: http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_wellbutrinXL.pdf etc, etc, etc. In communications class, I was taught that the first thing to do when planning a project is to determine your target audience(s) and method(s) of distribution. I think it would help if we talked about who we want to reach and how we are going to do it. Then maybe we can figure out the average " DQ " (dumbness quotient) and make sure we don't make their eyes glaze over with techno-talk. Most people haven't been avidly reading every piece of info about these drugs they can like we have. We are a bit odd, you know. The next DSM will probably list people like us as suffering from terminal cases of " anti-depressant side-effect disclosure obsessive disorder " - or ADSDOD. BTW, great work! Please accept my comments as they are meant - to help you create one kick a** CD - which you're well on your way to doing. Terry Jim <mofunnow@...> wrote: Charlie, You have a ton of great data in the powerpoint document. I've just started looking it over. On the side effects you could go on all day which may not be the best thing to do in that format. If you really wanted to list them all I will help you, or just the really nasty ones. One big thing that slows me down and also frightens me is the technical terms they use for some side effects like eye brow twitching gets turned into " supraciliary effusions " . What a great way to hide side effects eh? I did notice a typo (I think) in panel 11 " editation " looks like it should be " medication " and " andover " to " and over " . I like it! Jim I have updated the information portion of the site again any feedback or suggestions are more than welcome (Please) http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpenter/Video.html?1135356607513 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 It's painful work to define all the terms but some of them are very startling all by themselves. I can't remember some of what I have looked up but there is some nasty stuff hidden in those technical terms. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 It's painful work to define all the terms but some of them are very startling all by themselves. I can't remember some of what I have looked up but there is some nasty stuff hidden in those technical terms. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I think you're exactly right about the technical stuff, I do want to keep what I have if I can but maybe include a definition before the technical stuff begins. For example akathesia (restless leg syndrome) should have a definition before going into the proof. I don't want people to be dependent on the internet in order for them to be informed. I did take your comments as they were intended, as I said before it's only through the input of others that this will reach it's full potential. Thanks a bunch Charlie > Charlie, > > You have a ton of great data in the powerpoint document. I've just started > looking it over. On the side effects you could go on all day which may not > be the best thing to do in that format. If you really wanted to list them > all I will help you, or just the really nasty ones. One big thing that slows > me down and also frightens me is the technical terms they use for some side > effects like eye brow twitching gets turned into " supraciliary effusions " . > What a great way to hide side effects eh? > > I did notice a typo (I think) in panel 11 " editation " looks like it should > be " medication " and " andover " to " and over " . > > I like it! > > Jim > > > I have updated the information portion of the site again any feedback > or suggestions are more than welcome (Please) > > http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpenter/Video.html?1135356607513 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 I think you're exactly right about the technical stuff, I do want to keep what I have if I can but maybe include a definition before the technical stuff begins. For example akathesia (restless leg syndrome) should have a definition before going into the proof. I don't want people to be dependent on the internet in order for them to be informed. I did take your comments as they were intended, as I said before it's only through the input of others that this will reach it's full potential. Thanks a bunch Charlie > Charlie, > > You have a ton of great data in the powerpoint document. I've just started > looking it over. On the side effects you could go on all day which may not > be the best thing to do in that format. If you really wanted to list them > all I will help you, or just the really nasty ones. One big thing that slows > me down and also frightens me is the technical terms they use for some side > effects like eye brow twitching gets turned into " supraciliary effusions " . > What a great way to hide side effects eh? > > I did notice a typo (I think) in panel 11 " editation " looks like it should > be " medication " and " andover " to " and over " . > > I like it! > > Jim > > > I have updated the information portion of the site again any feedback > or suggestions are more than welcome (Please) > > http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpenter/Video.html?1135356607513 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.