Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

[Guest guest]

I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for children and this

was his response:

Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking about- ADD

and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be found in the

same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-polar,

depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a person has these

neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their families

desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be better done if

you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where you'll find

it.

As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially w/children daily)

I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are fairly easy to

diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate that like

depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians, gynecologists, GP's) are

diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric illness and Mental

Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle mechanic to tune up

a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the problem- it is

unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know what they are

talking about.

Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to believe

everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of 1000 are

mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the treatment for the others

who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope not.  Perhaps

some of these parents need to seek professional help themselves; while others

may need second opinions.

[Guest guest]

I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for children and this

was his response:

Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking about- ADD

and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be found in the

same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-polar,

depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a person has these

neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their families

desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be better done if

you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where you'll find

it.

As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially w/children daily)

I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are fairly easy to

diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate that like

depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians, gynecologists, GP's) are

diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric illness and Mental

Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle mechanic to tune up

a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the problem- it is

unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know what they are

talking about.

Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to believe

everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of 1000 are

mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the treatment for the others

who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope not.  Perhaps

some of these parents need to seek professional help themselves; while others

may need second opinions.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/02 7:10:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

stinky72001@... writes:

> Don't mean to insult you by insulting your friend but he has his head

> up his bank account. So what do you think?

>

He and I go round and round all the time on this issue. He and his wife want

us to visit them on Maui. I always tell them I don't want to go to an island

where he's drugged half the population!!! He's bought the whole rap of the

psych community. Thinks I'm the only one who had a bad reaction to Paxil. I

was actually shocked that he said not to believe everything I read on the

internet. Doesn't that sound familiar???

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/02 7:38:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

suzynakauchi@... writes:

>

I intend to tell him that the DSV-IV is a bunch of hogwash. As though

because some dx is in there, it's the absolute truth. He's a typical

psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is God.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/02 10:06:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

bluestar78@... writes:

> Can you access those files about the man being held against his will? Does

> your friend know about him?

I haven't heard about this. I'm sure my friend would think that he NEEDED to

be held against his will!!!

[Guest guest]

Trisha,

Don't mean to insult you by insulting your friend but he has his head

up his bank account. So what do you think?

stinky!

> I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for children

and this

> was his response:

>

> Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking

about- ADD

> and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be

found in the

> same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-

polar,

> depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

> scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a person

has these

> neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their

families

> desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be better

done if

> you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where

you'll find

> it.

> As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially

w/children daily)

> I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are fairly

easy to

> diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate that

like

> depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians, gynecologists,

GP's) are

> diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric illness

and Mental

> Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle mechanic

to tune up

> a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

> It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the

problem- it is

> unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know what

they are

> talking about.

> Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to believe

> everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of

1000 are

> mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the treatment for

the others

> who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope not. 

Perhaps

> some of these parents need to seek professional help themselves;

while others

> may need second opinions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trisha,

Don't mean to insult you by insulting your friend but he has his head

up his bank account. So what do you think?

stinky!

> I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for children

and this

> was his response:

>

> Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking

about- ADD

> and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be

found in the

> same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-

polar,

> depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

> scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a person

has these

> neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their

families

> desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be better

done if

> you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where

you'll find

> it.

> As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially

w/children daily)

> I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are fairly

easy to

> diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate that

like

> depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians, gynecologists,

GP's) are

> diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric illness

and Mental

> Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle mechanic

to tune up

> a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

> It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the

problem- it is

> unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know what

they are

> talking about.

> Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to believe

> everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of

1000 are

> mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the treatment for

the others

> who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope not. 

Perhaps

> some of these parents need to seek professional help themselves;

while others

> may need second opinions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trisha,

Don't mean to insult you by insulting your friend but he has his head

up his bank account. So what do you think?

stinky!

> I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for children

and this

> was his response:

>

> Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking

about- ADD

> and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be

found in the

> same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-

polar,

> depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

> scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a person

has these

> neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their

families

> desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be better

done if

> you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where

you'll find

> it.

> As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially

w/children daily)

> I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are fairly

easy to

> diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate that

like

> depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians, gynecologists,

GP's) are

> diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric illness

and Mental

> Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle mechanic

to tune up

> a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

> It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the

problem- it is

> unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know what

they are

> talking about.

> Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to believe

> everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of

1000 are

> mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the treatment for

the others

> who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope not. 

Perhaps

> some of these parents need to seek professional help themselves;

while others

> may need second opinions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trisha,

Don't mean to insult you by insulting your friend but he has his head

up his bank account. So what do you think?

stinky!

> I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for children

and this

> was his response:

>

> Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking

about- ADD

> and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be

found in the

> same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-

polar,

> depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

> scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a person

has these

> neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their

families

> desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be better

done if

> you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where

you'll find

> it.

> As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially

w/children daily)

> I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are fairly

easy to

> diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate that

like

> depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians, gynecologists,

GP's) are

> diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric illness

and Mental

> Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle mechanic

to tune up

> a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

> It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the

problem- it is

> unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know what

they are

> talking about.

> Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to believe

> everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of

1000 are

> mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the treatment for

the others

> who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope not. 

Perhaps

> some of these parents need to seek professional help themselves;

while others

> may need second opinions.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would be extremely interested in seeing his scientific proof.

Suzy

>From: glitterari@...

>Reply-SSRI medications

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>Subject: Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

>Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:04:52 EDT

>

>

>

" all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be found in the

>same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-polar,

>depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

>scientifically. "  

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[Guest guest]

I would be extremely interested in seeing his scientific proof.

Suzy

>From: glitterari@...

>Reply-SSRI medications

>SSRI medications

>Subject: Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

>Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:04:52 EDT

>

>

>

" all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be found in the

>same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-polar,

>depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

>scientifically. "  

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[Guest guest]

I would be extremely interested in seeing his scientific proof.

Suzy

>From: glitterari@...

>Reply-SSRI medications

>SSRI medications

>Subject: Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

>Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:04:52 EDT

>

>

>

" all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be found in the

>same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-polar,

>depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

>scientifically. "  

_________________________________________________________________

Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

[Guest guest]

I would be extremely interested in seeing his scientific proof.

Suzy

>From: glitterari@...

>Reply-SSRI medications

>SSRI medications

>Subject: Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

>Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:04:52 EDT

>

>

>

" all pschological and psychiatric disorders can be found in the

>same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders, including bi-polar,

>depression, etc. and for the most part all have been substantiated

>scientifically. "  

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Glitter,

Can you access those files about the man being held against his will? Does your

friend know about him? I've been diving into it most of the day today! If you

can't, he's given me permission to copy the files to send to the group.

Malinda

Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

In a message dated 5/3/02 7:38:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

suzynakauchi@... writes:

>

I intend to tell him that the DSV-IV is a bunch of hogwash. As though

because some dx is in there, it's the absolute truth. He's a typical

psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is God.

[Guest guest]

Ohhh...... ugh! I thought you were one who couldn't access them. Here's the

link! Really interesting........ but be prepared to be ticked off.

http://briefcase./shrinkbusters Dawn posted it earlier.

From: glitterari@...

SSRI medications

Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:11 PM

Subject: Re: Response from psychologist re drugging kids

In a message dated 5/3/02 10:06:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

bluestar78@... writes:

> Can you access those files about the man being held against his will? Does

> your friend know about him?

I haven't heard about this. I'm sure my friend would think that he NEEDED to

be held against his will!!!

[Guest guest]

Trisha,

One of my best friends is a psychologist and I have been sending her

printouts for months, particularly studies and info with real

documentation from professionals (thought that would appeal to her

more- HA!). I saw her a couple of weekends ago and my info has not

made a dent in her belief that these drugs help people. She says she

sees it every day - she works with underprivileged kids.

She feels as long as the drug is prescribed by a psychiatrist and

monitored properly, there is little danger as long as the patient

receives talk therapy in conjunct. with the antidepressant.

In fact, she is on prozac herself. she has been going through a major

psychological battle - discovered that her father molested her as a

child. Her whole family denies this so she is alienated from her

family, a very close family in the past. I don't know if she is

having false memories or what the heck is going on. She believes it.

My stepniece was just put on Ritalin and I am having the same

reaction from my family. My sister is on zoloft; her husband takes

xanax. I know you have a similar story with family. What the fork is

it with these people?

I guess everybody wakes up in their own time. My time is now. And

so is yours. I guess all we can do is love them anyway and pray that

they wise up before it's too late.

I just started reading a book: Manufacturing Victims by Dr. Tana

Dineen. It's about what the psychology industry is doing to people.

Pretty interesting stuff so far - I've skipped around and read a few

passages thru the book and so far, agree with most of what she has to

say.

Anyone ever hear of this book?

xo,

> In a message dated 5/3/02 7:10:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

> stinky72001@y... writes:

>

>

> > Don't mean to insult you by insulting your friend but he has his

head

> > up his bank account. So what do you think?

> >

> He and I go round and round all the time on this issue. He and his

wife want

> us to visit them on Maui. I always tell them I don't want to go to

an island

> where he's drugged half the population!!! He's bought the whole

rap of the

> psych community. Thinks I'm the only one who had a bad reaction to

Paxil. I

> was actually shocked that he said not to believe everything I read

on the

> internet. Doesn't that sound familiar???

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He's a typical psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is God.

This is exactly what Dr. Dineen says in her book. And more - big

business shaped the psychology business (lol, am I surprised!).

stinky

[Guest guest]

I was actually shocked that he said not to believe everything I read

on the internet. Doesn't that sound familiar???

well, I have to agree with that. there is much disinformation on the

internet too, so we do have to watch for that. But at least

the 'truth is out there'. Good luck in trying to find the truth in

the other news media.....

[Guest guest]

Glitter - ask your doctor-friend for some scientific proof that has

been done in an autopsy. I'd be so curious for him to prove

something that can't be proved!

I always ask for proof to the medical establishment and they can

NEVER produce anything.

Their pants are on fire! (liar, liar... pants on fire...)

Lynn

> > I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for

children

> and this

> > was his response:

> >

> > Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are

talking

> about- ADD

> > and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can

be

> found in the

> > same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders,

including bi-

> polar,

> > depression, etc. and for the most part all have been

substantiated

> > scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a

person

> has these

> > neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their

> families

> > desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be

better

> done if

> > you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where

> you'll find

> > it.

> > As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially

> w/children daily)

> > I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are

fairly

> easy to

> > diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate

that

> like

> > depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians,

gynecologists,

> GP's) are

> > diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric

illness

> and Mental

> > Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle

mechanic

> to tune up

> > a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

> > It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the

> problem- it is

> > unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know

what

> they are

> > talking about.

> > Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to

believe

> > everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of

> 1000 are

> > mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the

treatment for

> the others

> > who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope

not. 

> Perhaps

> > some of these parents need to seek professional help

themselves;

> while others

> > may need second opinions.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Glitter - ask your doctor-friend for some scientific proof that has

been done in an autopsy. I'd be so curious for him to prove

something that can't be proved!

I always ask for proof to the medical establishment and they can

NEVER produce anything.

Their pants are on fire! (liar, liar... pants on fire...)

Lynn

> > I sent me friend the petition about bogus psych dx's for

children

> and this

> > was his response:

> >

> > Nonsense!  Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are

talking

> about- ADD

> > and ADHD, as all pschological and psychiatric disorders can

be

> found in the

> > same diagnostic manuel as ALL of these same disorders,

including bi-

> polar,

> > depression, etc. and for the most part all have been

substantiated

> > scientifically.  In so far as ADD/ADHD we can surely prove a

person

> has these

> > neurological disorders without a doubt if the patient or their

> families

> > desire an MD to do an autopsy- of course this tends to be

better

> done if

> > you'r dead but if scientific proof is your thing- that's where

> you'll find

> > it.

> > As I work with these disorders (and many others, especially

> w/children daily)

> > I can assure you that they exist.  Neurolgical disorders are

fairly

> easy to

> > diagnosis using proper assessment tools.  It is unfortunate

that

> like

> > depression too many unqualified MD's (pediatricians,

gynecologists,

> GP's) are

> > diagnosing, treating and prescribing meds for Psychiatric

illness

> and Mental

> > Disorders.  This would be almost like going to a bicycle

mechanic

> to tune up

> > a Ferrari; or better seeing a policeman to treat menopause.

> > It is not the labeling and " drugging " of our kids that is the

> problem- it is

> > unqualified people treating them and acting as if they know

what

> they are

> > talking about.

> > Trish- don't buy into this crap- you are too intelligent to

believe

> > everything you read/hear/see on the internet, etc.  If 1 out of

> 1000 are

> > mistreated, or even 1 of 100 does this mean stop the

treatment for

> the others

> > who are treated properly at are being greatly helped?  I hope

not. 

> Perhaps

> > some of these parents need to seek professional help

themselves;

> while others

> > may need second opinions.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is ALL theory... there are NO tests that measure anything in the

brain or blood... it's like sending the man to the moon - very

" exciting " to spend trillions of dollars on nothingness...

> In a message dated 5/3/02 7:38:06 PM Mountain Daylight

Time,

> suzynakauchi@h... writes:

>

>

> >

>

> I intend to tell him that the DSV-IV is a bunch of hogwash. As

though

> because some dx is in there, it's the absolute truth. He's a

typical

> psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is God.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is ALL theory... there are NO tests that measure anything in the

brain or blood... it's like sending the man to the moon - very

" exciting " to spend trillions of dollars on nothingness...

> In a message dated 5/3/02 7:38:06 PM Mountain Daylight

Time,

> suzynakauchi@h... writes:

>

>

> >

>

> I intend to tell him that the DSV-IV is a bunch of hogwash. As

though

> because some dx is in there, it's the absolute truth. He's a

typical

> psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is God.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did I mention that my sister is a Clinical Psychologist and her

husband an MD? They look at me as if I'm the one who's in the

dark... when it is them... I am up against a major wall with my

family - all worshiping the eternal father-figure Doctor.

> He's a typical psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is

God.

>

>

> This is exactly what Dr. Dineen says in her book. And more -

big

> business shaped the psychology business (lol, am I

surprised!).

> stinky

[Guest guest]

Did I mention that my sister is a Clinical Psychologist and her

husband an MD? They look at me as if I'm the one who's in the

dark... when it is them... I am up against a major wall with my

family - all worshiping the eternal father-figure Doctor.

> He's a typical psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is

God.

>

>

> This is exactly what Dr. Dineen says in her book. And more -

big

> business shaped the psychology business (lol, am I

surprised!).

> stinky

[Guest guest]

> > He's a typical psychologist; thinks the psychiatric community is

> God.

> >

> >

> > This is exactly what Dr. Dineen says in her book. And more -

> big

> > business shaped the psychology business (lol, am I

> surprised!).

> > stinky

I know what you mean because my daughter in law in a LPN and my daughter is an

RN. Although they don't disagree with me about antidepressants, they many times

roll their eyes or basically argue with me when I try to make a point. They will

say that only specialists know what they are doing. I just think they don't want

to believe what we know and sometimes it takes a while for all of it to soak

into their brains. They are brainwashed, so to speak and they believe that they

are helping people and that is probably where they get their selfesteem from, I

am not sure. I am sure many of them don't want to think that they may be hurting

people.