Re: Detained psych patients have no protection under men...

[Guest guest]

> How do you know that people punch people just to be

> locked up? Do they have to be mentally ill in order

> for this to happen?

There was a family who I grew up near, their uncle

had been in and out of prison for years. He was in his

40's when I remember him. He was on probation and got

into a fight with a bus driver. It says on the news he

just could not live outside prison as he did not have

the skills. He asked the Judge to lock him up. Not

long after that there was a change in the Glasgow

jails to help people adjust before probation. It had

to be around the late 60's early 70's.

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[Guest guest]

Gab,

You would give up so easily?!, with all those strong

character traits.

john

--- Gabdud@... wrote:

> Every situation is different. I'm referring to

> being homeless when you

> have no education, family, support, friends, skills,

> etc. When you feel

> hopeless. If I were homeless in that situation, I

> would rather be dead.

>

> Gab

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gab,

You would give up so easily?!, with all those strong

character traits.

john

--- Gabdud@... wrote:

> Every situation is different. I'm referring to

> being homeless when you

> have no education, family, support, friends, skills,

> etc. When you feel

> hopeless. If I were homeless in that situation, I

> would rather be dead.

>

> Gab

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe in the concept of suffering & personal spiritual growth

Gab.

I'll never give up

>

> Yeah, I would give up that easily. Actually, I'm at the

point of giving

> up right now. I won't even comment on the jail suicide watch

because I also

> work (run the scared straight program) from our local county

jail. If I would

> blow the whistle on what's going on in the jail, then I would just

be called

> a lier again. So, my mouth is sealed. You're right, I'm an

idiot, a loser, a

> moron, and whatever else you all want to call me. My hands are

tossed in the

> air and I give up. I'm not going to question anything anymore.

Put on a

> smile, do my job, and get my paycheck. I'm through!

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe in the concept of suffering & personal spiritual growth

Gab.

I'll never give up

>

> Yeah, I would give up that easily. Actually, I'm at the

point of giving

> up right now. I won't even comment on the jail suicide watch

because I also

> work (run the scared straight program) from our local county

jail. If I would

> blow the whistle on what's going on in the jail, then I would just

be called

> a lier again. So, my mouth is sealed. You're right, I'm an

idiot, a loser, a

> moron, and whatever else you all want to call me. My hands are

tossed in the

> air and I give up. I'm not going to question anything anymore.

Put on a

> smile, do my job, and get my paycheck. I'm through!

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Doesn't everyone have the right to make this decision for themselves?

This is how you feel about it and that's great. For you. I've been

homeless also as well as having really difficult times regarding

other necessities as well as having 2 children to try and care for

through the process. It was horrible beyond compare. But those times

are now over for me and I have a pretty easy-going, easy life. It's

the same life I had when I got started on the psychotropic drug trip.

But I also came out of that. The way I differ from you is, you seem

to be pretty glad that you managed to live through it, and if I were

given the choice of going through what I did to get to where I am

now, I would say emphatically, NO. I would not do it. Being alive now

and having a good life still does not make what I had to go through

to get here worth it. Life just isn't that precious to me. I'm glad

it is to you, but you shouldn't expect it to be to everyone else.

There's no doubt that when a person gets to that jumping off place

that their lives usually can and will improve. But practically

anything would be an improvement at that point. Does that make life

worth living? To some yes, but to others maybe not.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I'm with you on this one! You managed an animal shelter? I

> have been

> > doing animal rescue for the past eight years and understand where

> you are

> > coming from. I specialize in Pit Bull rescue. I also feel that

> there are worse

> > things that can happen than death. I personally would rather be

> dead than

> > homeless. I believe that medical assisted suicide is legal in

the

> state of Oregon.

> >

> >

> > Gab

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Doesn't everyone have the right to make this decision for themselves?

This is how you feel about it and that's great. For you. I've been

homeless also as well as having really difficult times regarding

other necessities as well as having 2 children to try and care for

through the process. It was horrible beyond compare. But those times

are now over for me and I have a pretty easy-going, easy life. It's

the same life I had when I got started on the psychotropic drug trip.

But I also came out of that. The way I differ from you is, you seem

to be pretty glad that you managed to live through it, and if I were

given the choice of going through what I did to get to where I am

now, I would say emphatically, NO. I would not do it. Being alive now

and having a good life still does not make what I had to go through

to get here worth it. Life just isn't that precious to me. I'm glad

it is to you, but you shouldn't expect it to be to everyone else.

There's no doubt that when a person gets to that jumping off place

that their lives usually can and will improve. But practically

anything would be an improvement at that point. Does that make life

worth living? To some yes, but to others maybe not.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I'm with you on this one! You managed an animal shelter? I

> have been

> > doing animal rescue for the past eight years and understand where

> you are

> > coming from. I specialize in Pit Bull rescue. I also feel that

> there are worse

> > things that can happen than death. I personally would rather be

> dead than

> > homeless. I believe that medical assisted suicide is legal in

the

> state of Oregon.

> >

> >

> > Gab

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It seems this person has made her choice and it is hers to make.

Either she lives with Mom and cats or she doesn't live. If this is

the only 2 choices she gives herself, she must not want any others.

It's her decision.

>

> I'm glad to hear that you are a strong person. How did you do

it? How

> did you go from having nothing to getting where you at now? I

believe it's

> inner strenght. So, what do you do with a person who does not have

your frame

> of mind? Okay, this is my best friend.....She's 33 years old and

lives with

> her mom in a wealthy community. She hates school and refuses to go

to school.

> She holds a job making minimum wage and cannot support herself and

is forced

> to live with her mom. She said she has given up hope on being

independent.

> Her mother wants her out of the house. She has 60 cats that she

keeps in her

> bedroom and spends the little money she has caring for the cats.

Her father is

> a self made millionnaire and has offered to buy her a boarding

kennel if she

> goes back to school to get a business degree so she will know how

to operate a

> small business. She does not want to take him up on this offer

because she

> hates school. She has no self esteem, drive, nor ambition. What

do you do with

> a person like this? She has also said that if her mom ever kicks

her out,

> which she has threatened to do, and she ends up losing her cats as

a result of

> having no place for them to go, then she will kill herself.

However, she is

> doing absolutely nothing to improve her situation. I don't get it,

do you?

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems this person has made her choice and it is hers to make.

Either she lives with Mom and cats or she doesn't live. If this is

the only 2 choices she gives herself, she must not want any others.

It's her decision.

>

> I'm glad to hear that you are a strong person. How did you do

it? How

> did you go from having nothing to getting where you at now? I

believe it's

> inner strenght. So, what do you do with a person who does not have

your frame

> of mind? Okay, this is my best friend.....She's 33 years old and

lives with

> her mom in a wealthy community. She hates school and refuses to go

to school.

> She holds a job making minimum wage and cannot support herself and

is forced

> to live with her mom. She said she has given up hope on being

independent.

> Her mother wants her out of the house. She has 60 cats that she

keeps in her

> bedroom and spends the little money she has caring for the cats.

Her father is

> a self made millionnaire and has offered to buy her a boarding

kennel if she

> goes back to school to get a business degree so she will know how

to operate a

> small business. She does not want to take him up on this offer

because she

> hates school. She has no self esteem, drive, nor ambition. What

do you do with

> a person like this? She has also said that if her mom ever kicks

her out,

> which she has threatened to do, and she ends up losing her cats as

a result of

> having no place for them to go, then she will kill herself.

However, she is

> doing absolutely nothing to improve her situation. I don't get it,

do you?

>

> Gab

>

>

>