Re: Family relationships hurt by conflicting beliefs on vaccination

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,

Thanks SO much for your reply. What a story! It is just too bad that relationships have to be strained but perhaps it makes us all grow.

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,

Thanks SO much for your reply. What a story! It is just too bad that relationships have to be strained but perhaps it makes us all grow.

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Dear -

I so hear you - distance is not an unloving thing to do - it's

functional sometimes, and can give all perspective. There was a

period of time for me when being with my mother made me ill - it had

to do with abandonment issues as a young child. I had to ask her to

please not contact me for a few months. I told her that if it was

ok, I would like to be able to call her.

We left it at that, and over the course of a year, we were much more

able to be together, but I was also able to shield myself from the

onslaught of stuff that would come up for me when I was with her.

Our parents are so convinced vaccines are the answer. You can't

change that, but you have a right to sanity for yourself and your

family, and I don't think that to set that boundary is aggressive or

hurtful.

I wish you the best - and especially that you can focus lovingly and

joyfully on your family right now.

Take care,

Theresa

On Jun 25, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Godard wrote:

>

> I appreciate your response and all the support this group has

> shown! However, there is a line that was crossed when he threatened

> my husband to be fully responsible for any problems that should

> arise. He also makes me question if he thinks that my homebirth and

> decision to no longer vaccinate is putting the children at risk and

> they way he was talking was almost as if he may need to have

> someone step in (social services). I actually don't push my beliefs

> on him and in fact only discuss things casually and as they are

> brought up. I am disappointed that he feels the need to threaten my

> husband as well as completely disregard my decision making ability.

> He told me that he doesn't need to read anything or do any research

> or watch any informational DVD's that he won't change his opinion.

> I was fine with having a difference of opinion, believe me it's not

> the first time. The problem was with his threats and hostility

> toward me. I've thought and prayed on this a lot and I know he is

> not the only person out there that believes propaganda yet he

> thinks I am delusional and rebellious because I know there is

> manipulation, greed, and propaganda so others can get richer.

>

>

> I forgive him for what he has said and done to hurt me and my

> husband but I need for me and my dad to have some space so he and I

> can equally consider what has happened. Forcing a discussion on

> this too soon will cause further damage. Also, in all honesty, I

> expect him to apologize at least to my hubby and I need to feel

> like I can trust him that he doesn't think he needs to get anyone

> involved to investigate our " radical " decisions to not vaccinate or

> birth in a hospital.

>

>

> I know in this world we are all doing what we feel is right or

> comfortable. However, when we stop allowing people to belive what

> they believe and start throwing hostilities as someone just because

> of difference in philosophy or spiritual beliefs, then loss occurs.

> Loss of true spirit of openness and unity. We become divided and

> that is what seems to happen eventually when I talk about these

> types of things with people; they either don't mind or they hate

> it. Freedom. It's not a simple thing to discuss with people of

> differing opinion; especially with those who won't consider

> anything outside of their comfort zone.

>

>

> Envoyé avec .

> Une boite mail plus intelligente.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear -

I so hear you - distance is not an unloving thing to do - it's

functional sometimes, and can give all perspective. There was a

period of time for me when being with my mother made me ill - it had

to do with abandonment issues as a young child. I had to ask her to

please not contact me for a few months. I told her that if it was

ok, I would like to be able to call her.

We left it at that, and over the course of a year, we were much more

able to be together, but I was also able to shield myself from the

onslaught of stuff that would come up for me when I was with her.

Our parents are so convinced vaccines are the answer. You can't

change that, but you have a right to sanity for yourself and your

family, and I don't think that to set that boundary is aggressive or

hurtful.

I wish you the best - and especially that you can focus lovingly and

joyfully on your family right now.

Take care,

Theresa

On Jun 25, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Godard wrote:

>

> I appreciate your response and all the support this group has

> shown! However, there is a line that was crossed when he threatened

> my husband to be fully responsible for any problems that should

> arise. He also makes me question if he thinks that my homebirth and

> decision to no longer vaccinate is putting the children at risk and

> they way he was talking was almost as if he may need to have

> someone step in (social services). I actually don't push my beliefs

> on him and in fact only discuss things casually and as they are

> brought up. I am disappointed that he feels the need to threaten my

> husband as well as completely disregard my decision making ability.

> He told me that he doesn't need to read anything or do any research

> or watch any informational DVD's that he won't change his opinion.

> I was fine with having a difference of opinion, believe me it's not

> the first time. The problem was with his threats and hostility

> toward me. I've thought and prayed on this a lot and I know he is

> not the only person out there that believes propaganda yet he

> thinks I am delusional and rebellious because I know there is

> manipulation, greed, and propaganda so others can get richer.

>

>

> I forgive him for what he has said and done to hurt me and my

> husband but I need for me and my dad to have some space so he and I

> can equally consider what has happened. Forcing a discussion on

> this too soon will cause further damage. Also, in all honesty, I

> expect him to apologize at least to my hubby and I need to feel

> like I can trust him that he doesn't think he needs to get anyone

> involved to investigate our " radical " decisions to not vaccinate or

> birth in a hospital.

>

>

> I know in this world we are all doing what we feel is right or

> comfortable. However, when we stop allowing people to belive what

> they believe and start throwing hostilities as someone just because

> of difference in philosophy or spiritual beliefs, then loss occurs.

> Loss of true spirit of openness and unity. We become divided and

> that is what seems to happen eventually when I talk about these

> types of things with people; they either don't mind or they hate

> it. Freedom. It's not a simple thing to discuss with people of

> differing opinion; especially with those who won't consider

> anything outside of their comfort zone.

>

>

> Envoyé avec .

> Une boite mail plus intelligente.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bravo, . I believe you've a remarkable grasp of your situation. As the saying goes; "Hang in there," and "Stand firm!" ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Family relationships hurt by conflicting beliefs on vaccination

I appreciate your response and all the support this group has shown! However, there is a line that was crossed when he threatened my husband to be fully responsible for any problems that should arise. He also makes me question if he thinks that my homebirth and decision to no longer vaccinate is putting the children at risk and they way he was talking was almost as if he may need to have someone step in (social services). I actually don't push my beliefs on him and in fact only discuss things casually and as they are brought up. I am disappointed that he feels the need to threaten my husband as well as completely disregard my decision making ability. He told me that he doesn't need to read anything or do any research or watch any informational DVD's that he won't change his opinion. I was fine with having a difference of opinion, believe me it's not the first time. The problem was with his threats and hostility toward me. I've thought and prayed on this a lot and I know he is not the only person out there that believes propaganda yet he thinks I am delusional and rebellious because I know there is manipulation, greed, and propaganda so others can get richer.

I forgive him for what he has said and done to hurt me and my husband but I need for me and my dad to have some space so he and I can equally consider what has happened. Forcing a discussion on this too soon will cause further damage. Also, in all honesty, I expect him to apologize at least to my hubby and I need to feel like I can trust him that he doesn't think he needs to get anyone involved to investigate our "radical" decisions to not vaccinate or birth in a hospital.

I know in this world we are all doing what we feel is right or comfortable. However, when we stop allowing people to belive what they believe and start throwing hostilities as someone just because of difference in philosophy or spiritual beliefs, then loss occurs. Loss of true spirit of openness and unity. We become divided and that is what seems to happen eventually when I talk about these types of things with people; they either don't mind or they hate it. Freedom. It's not a simple thing to discuss with people of differing opinion; especially with those who won't consider anything outside of their comfort zone.

Envoyé avec .Une boite mail plus intelligente.

[Guest guest]

,

You are very right on. I believe in family, and the

disintergration of family has been hard on many. I did have to back

off, from all family, and some siblings that though I have tried

several times to revisit emotionally, I finally got it through my

head we are little more than " womb mates " .

Peace-Love-Oneness

Dona In no-forced-vaccination , " godardam "

<godardam@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I just knew that this was the place to share my agony. For the past

> few months my dad has been very negative regarding my decision to

> stop vaccination. Granted he works for the military and believes

that

> those in authority usually know best. Although, sometimes he would

> agree with me that it's probably not good he still thinks it is bad

> to not vaccinate...he said, " good luck with that " . Now today, was a

> huge fight, the fight of all fights that I guess I expected to

come.

>

> I mentioned to him that me and hubby decided to homebirth our

second

> child with a CPM and that a great hospital is just down the road

with

> OBs on hand in case of a need to transfer. He lost it and said I

was

> taking a huge risk and that childbirth is the closest to death I'll

> ever be!~ I couldn't believe my ears. And just minutes ago he was

> telling me about how to boil the perfect hard-boiled egg and how he

> researched tips on that. Yet, he doesn't think to research

> vaccination dangers or the natural birth process and has the gaul

to

> say something like that to me, ignorantly. He told me I was

becoming

> rebellious and dangerous and that he supposed I wasn't going to

> vaccinate the second child, to which I responded " no " . It was as

> though he was just disgusted and mad at me and told me if anything

> happened to me during the homebirth he would hold my spouse

> personally responsible! I mean come on!

>

> Finally he told me that we were crazy and going too far with our

life

> changes, which most have to do with drawing closer in our walk of

> faith and love with the Lord and less to do with pleasing the

world.

> When he told me it was like I was jumping out of an airplane with

no

> parachute and that I was just becoming rebellious and being

paranoid

> and anti-establishment, I just told him to wake up; most of the

> medical industry in the US is a big business making lots of profit

> and quality is sliding fast. Then I said, that if this is how he

> feels I don't want to see him anymore.

>

> So, how many of you have experienced these types of clashes over

your

> decisions to do what you feel is right? I know that the right thing

> is sometimes harder to do because of resistance by others. However,

I

> no longer trust my dad and am not sure what he'll do since he was

> insinuating that I am putting the kids and my health at risk; it

> makes me thing he'd be willing to call social services or

something.

> Although I am providing a loving and healthy evironment for my

> family, I just no longer feel I can trust him nor do I want to have

a

> relationship with someone who would rather I risk my children's

> health for conformity. I thought this would be the only place I can

> share this story with and imagine that at least one more of you

have

> relationships strained because of this type of scenario too.

>

> Thanks for being there!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- EXCELLENT offering!!In no-forced-

vaccination , " godardam " <godardam@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I just knew that this was the place to share my agony. For the past

> few months my dad has been very negative regarding my decision to

> stop vaccination. Granted he works for the military and believes

that

> those in authority usually know best. Although, sometimes he would

> agree with me that it's probably not good he still thinks it is bad

> to not vaccinate...he said, " good luck with that " . Now today, was a

> huge fight, the fight of all fights that I guess I expected to

come.

>

> I mentioned to him that me and hubby decided to homebirth our

second

> child with a CPM and that a great hospital is just down the road

with

> OBs on hand in case of a need to transfer. He lost it and said I

was

> taking a huge risk and that childbirth is the closest to death I'll

> ever be!~ I couldn't believe my ears. And just minutes ago he was

> telling me about how to boil the perfect hard-boiled egg and how he

> researched tips on that. Yet, he doesn't think to research

> vaccination dangers or the natural birth process and has the gaul

to

> say something like that to me, ignorantly. He told me I was

becoming

> rebellious and dangerous and that he supposed I wasn't going to

> vaccinate the second child, to which I responded " no " . It was as

> though he was just disgusted and mad at me and told me if anything

> happened to me during the homebirth he would hold my spouse

> personally responsible! I mean come on!

>

> Finally he told me that we were crazy and going too far with our

life

> changes, which most have to do with drawing closer in our walk of

> faith and love with the Lord and less to do with pleasing the

world.

> When he told me it was like I was jumping out of an airplane with

no

> parachute and that I was just becoming rebellious and being

paranoid

> and anti-establishment, I just told him to wake up; most of the

> medical industry in the US is a big business making lots of profit

> and quality is sliding fast. Then I said, that if this is how he

> feels I don't want to see him anymore.

>

> So, how many of you have experienced these types of clashes over

your

> decisions to do what you feel is right? I know that the right thing

> is sometimes harder to do because of resistance by others. However,

I

> no longer trust my dad and am not sure what he'll do since he was

> insinuating that I am putting the kids and my health at risk; it

> makes me thing he'd be willing to call social services or

something.

> Although I am providing a loving and healthy evironment for my

> family, I just no longer feel I can trust him nor do I want to have

a

> relationship with someone who would rather I risk my children's

> health for conformity. I thought this would be the only place I can

> share this story with and imagine that at least one more of you

have

> relationships strained because of this type of scenario too.

>

> Thanks for being there!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- EXCELLENT offering!!In no-forced-

vaccination , " godardam " <godardam@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I just knew that this was the place to share my agony. For the past

> few months my dad has been very negative regarding my decision to

> stop vaccination. Granted he works for the military and believes

that

> those in authority usually know best. Although, sometimes he would

> agree with me that it's probably not good he still thinks it is bad

> to not vaccinate...he said, " good luck with that " . Now today, was a

> huge fight, the fight of all fights that I guess I expected to

come.

>

> I mentioned to him that me and hubby decided to homebirth our

second

> child with a CPM and that a great hospital is just down the road

with

> OBs on hand in case of a need to transfer. He lost it and said I

was

> taking a huge risk and that childbirth is the closest to death I'll

> ever be!~ I couldn't believe my ears. And just minutes ago he was

> telling me about how to boil the perfect hard-boiled egg and how he

> researched tips on that. Yet, he doesn't think to research

> vaccination dangers or the natural birth process and has the gaul

to

> say something like that to me, ignorantly. He told me I was

becoming

> rebellious and dangerous and that he supposed I wasn't going to

> vaccinate the second child, to which I responded " no " . It was as

> though he was just disgusted and mad at me and told me if anything

> happened to me during the homebirth he would hold my spouse

> personally responsible! I mean come on!

>

> Finally he told me that we were crazy and going too far with our

life

> changes, which most have to do with drawing closer in our walk of

> faith and love with the Lord and less to do with pleasing the

world.

> When he told me it was like I was jumping out of an airplane with

no

> parachute and that I was just becoming rebellious and being

paranoid

> and anti-establishment, I just told him to wake up; most of the

> medical industry in the US is a big business making lots of profit

> and quality is sliding fast. Then I said, that if this is how he

> feels I don't want to see him anymore.

>

> So, how many of you have experienced these types of clashes over

your

> decisions to do what you feel is right? I know that the right thing

> is sometimes harder to do because of resistance by others. However,

I

> no longer trust my dad and am not sure what he'll do since he was

> insinuating that I am putting the kids and my health at risk; it

> makes me thing he'd be willing to call social services or

something.

> Although I am providing a loving and healthy evironment for my

> family, I just no longer feel I can trust him nor do I want to have

a

> relationship with someone who would rather I risk my children's

> health for conformity. I thought this would be the only place I can

> share this story with and imagine that at least one more of you

have

> relationships strained because of this type of scenario too.

>

> Thanks for being there!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just like to support what you are going through you have a great husband supporting you,

united we stand divided we fall.

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: putney1963@...Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:39:01 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Family relationships hurt by conflicting beliefs on vaccination

Bravo, . I believe you've a remarkable grasp of your situation. As the saying goes; "Hang in there," and "Stand firm!" ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Family relationships hurt by conflicting beliefs on vaccination

I appreciate your response and all the support this group has shown! However, there is a line that was crossed when he threatened my husband to be fully responsible for any problems that should arise. He also makes me question if he thinks that my homebirth and decision to no longer vaccinate is putting the children at risk and they way he was talking was almost as if he may need to have someone step in (social services). I actually don't push my beliefs on him and in fact only discuss things casually and as they are brought up. I am disappointed that he feels the need to threaten my husband as well as completely disregard my decision making ability. He told me that he doesn't need to read anything or do any research or watch any informational DVD's that he won't change his opinion. I was fine with having a difference of opinion, believe me it's not the first time. The problem was with his threats and hostility toward me. I've thought and prayed on this a lot and I know he is not the only person out there that believes propaganda yet he thinks I am delusional and rebellious because I know there is manipulation, greed, and propaganda so others can get richer.

I forgive him for what he has said and done to hurt me and my husband but I need for me and my dad to have some space so he and I can equally consider what has happened. Forcing a discussion on this too soon will cause further damage. Also, in all honesty, I expect him to apologize at least to my hubby and I need to feel like I can trust him that he doesn't think he needs to get anyone involved to investigate our "radical" decisions to not vaccinate or birth in a hospital.

I know in this world we are all doing what we feel is right or comfortable. However, when we stop allowing people to belive what they believe and start throwing hostilities as someone just because of difference in philosophy or spiritual beliefs, then loss occurs. Loss of true spirit of openness and unity. We become divided and that is what seems to happen eventually when I talk about these types of things with people; they either don't mind or they hate it. Freedom. It's not a simple thing to discuss with people of differing opinion; especially with those who won't consider anything outside of their comfort zone.

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Just like to support what you are going through you have a great husband supporting you,

united we stand divided we fall.

tricia

no-forced-vaccination From: putney1963@...Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:39:01 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Family relationships hurt by conflicting beliefs on vaccination

Bravo, . I believe you've a remarkable grasp of your situation. As the saying goes; "Hang in there," and "Stand firm!" ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Family relationships hurt by conflicting beliefs on vaccination

I appreciate your response and all the support this group has shown! However, there is a line that was crossed when he threatened my husband to be fully responsible for any problems that should arise. He also makes me question if he thinks that my homebirth and decision to no longer vaccinate is putting the children at risk and they way he was talking was almost as if he may need to have someone step in (social services). I actually don't push my beliefs on him and in fact only discuss things casually and as they are brought up. I am disappointed that he feels the need to threaten my husband as well as completely disregard my decision making ability. He told me that he doesn't need to read anything or do any research or watch any informational DVD's that he won't change his opinion. I was fine with having a difference of opinion, believe me it's not the first time. The problem was with his threats and hostility toward me. I've thought and prayed on this a lot and I know he is not the only person out there that believes propaganda yet he thinks I am delusional and rebellious because I know there is manipulation, greed, and propaganda so others can get richer.

I forgive him for what he has said and done to hurt me and my husband but I need for me and my dad to have some space so he and I can equally consider what has happened. Forcing a discussion on this too soon will cause further damage. Also, in all honesty, I expect him to apologize at least to my hubby and I need to feel like I can trust him that he doesn't think he needs to get anyone involved to investigate our "radical" decisions to not vaccinate or birth in a hospital.

I know in this world we are all doing what we feel is right or comfortable. However, when we stop allowing people to belive what they believe and start throwing hostilities as someone just because of difference in philosophy or spiritual beliefs, then loss occurs. Loss of true spirit of openness and unity. We become divided and that is what seems to happen eventually when I talk about these types of things with people; they either don't mind or they hate it. Freedom. It's not a simple thing to discuss with people of differing opinion; especially with those who won't consider anything outside of their comfort zone.

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