Re: Breggin asks for $$$????

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Dear & Jan,

Did you try to e-mail Dr. Breggin. His address is on the web page. I tried

and actually did speak to him a little.

Suzy

>From: " joey75234 " <bobd1@...>

>Reply-SSRI medications

>SSRI medications

>Subject: Breggin asks for $$$????

>Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:14:31 -0000

>

>Hi all, some of you Jan from many months ago over at PROZOCAWARENESS,

>seems she is down to a veny small amount and has been having pretty

>bad withdrawals... not the issue here, the part that bothered me was

>her response from Dr Breggin and his people.... I did not like the

>wound of it...any one know about this sort of thing happening

>before????

>

>

>

>From: j j <fadedgrace2001@...>

>Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:10 pm

>Subject: Re: PROZACAWARENESS Hi Jan, update on Bob

>

>

>ADVERTISEMENT

>

>

>

>, Robin, and :

>

>Thanks for all your responses! I have been away for

>awhile, while trying to process this whole w/d thing.

>I am so close to being done, but I know that it will

>take longer to fully feel the effects of the

>Prozac.... have taken it for 5 + years, so I have

>enough in me to choke a horse...

>The head zaps thing was weird, never happened before.

>It was like my brain was slowly spun in my skull, and

>I was disoriented a bit. I got scared immediately,

>did not say anything to my fiance (I don't want to

>tell him of EVERY side effect - he'd probably think I

>was turining into a hypochondriac), and just went to

>bed afterwards. Did not get sick to my stomach or

>thirsty, but I did get a very pronounced feeling of

>sadness (the same as when I would begin a depressive

>episode). Went to sleep and woke up with no lasting

>effects. It has not happened since.

>I have not gone to the doctor about any of this,

>because I know what will happen there.. Have not seen

>my therapist in a long time, because i think i'm

>holding up pretty well, all things considered.

>However, I did write a short but concise letter to Dr

>Breggin with some questions about me being a bone

>marrow donor for my brother, and I did not get a

>response from him, but I got a packet in the mail from

>his office with a form to enroll me in some kind of

>'thing' that required me to send money. That was kind

>of dissappointing. I will check when I get home and

>post later to let you know what it was exactly. It

>was in support of 'the cause' and making people aware

>of the dangers of this kind of medication, but I did

>not get a note or anything, and it just looked to me

>like an opportunity to send them $$$$.

>

>

>?????

>

>Jan

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear & Jan,

Did you try to e-mail Dr. Breggin. His address is on the web page. I tried

and actually did speak to him a little.

Suzy

>From: " joey75234 " <bobd1@...>

>Reply-SSRI medications

>SSRI medications

>Subject: Breggin asks for $$$????

>Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:14:31 -0000

>

>Hi all, some of you Jan from many months ago over at PROZOCAWARENESS,

>seems she is down to a veny small amount and has been having pretty

>bad withdrawals... not the issue here, the part that bothered me was

>her response from Dr Breggin and his people.... I did not like the

>wound of it...any one know about this sort of thing happening

>before????

>

>

>

>From: j j <fadedgrace2001@...>

>Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:10 pm

>Subject: Re: PROZACAWARENESS Hi Jan, update on Bob

>

>

>ADVERTISEMENT

>

>

>

>, Robin, and :

>

>Thanks for all your responses! I have been away for

>awhile, while trying to process this whole w/d thing.

>I am so close to being done, but I know that it will

>take longer to fully feel the effects of the

>Prozac.... have taken it for 5 + years, so I have

>enough in me to choke a horse...

>The head zaps thing was weird, never happened before.

>It was like my brain was slowly spun in my skull, and

>I was disoriented a bit. I got scared immediately,

>did not say anything to my fiance (I don't want to

>tell him of EVERY side effect - he'd probably think I

>was turining into a hypochondriac), and just went to

>bed afterwards. Did not get sick to my stomach or

>thirsty, but I did get a very pronounced feeling of

>sadness (the same as when I would begin a depressive

>episode). Went to sleep and woke up with no lasting

>effects. It has not happened since.

>I have not gone to the doctor about any of this,

>because I know what will happen there.. Have not seen

>my therapist in a long time, because i think i'm

>holding up pretty well, all things considered.

>However, I did write a short but concise letter to Dr

>Breggin with some questions about me being a bone

>marrow donor for my brother, and I did not get a

>response from him, but I got a packet in the mail from

>his office with a form to enroll me in some kind of

>'thing' that required me to send money. That was kind

>of dissappointing. I will check when I get home and

>post later to let you know what it was exactly. It

>was in support of 'the cause' and making people aware

>of the dangers of this kind of medication, but I did

>not get a note or anything, and it just looked to me

>like an opportunity to send them $$$$.

>

>

>?????

>

>Jan

>

>

>

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yes she did email him I believe and all she got in the mail was a

packet asking for money

> Dear & Jan,

>

> Did you try to e-mail Dr. Breggin. His address is on the web

page. I tried

> and actually did speak to him a little.

>

> Suzy

>

>

> >From: " joey75234 " <bobd1@e...>

> >Reply-SSRI medications@y...

> >SSRI medications@y...

> >Subject: Breggin asks for $$$????

> >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:14:31 -0000

> >

> >Hi all, some of you Jan from many months ago over at

PROZOCAWARENESS,

> >seems she is down to a veny small amount and has been having pretty

> >bad withdrawals... not the issue here, the part that bothered me

was

> >her response from Dr Breggin and his people.... I did not like the

> >wound of it...any one know about this sort of thing happening

> >before????

> >

> >

> >

> >From: j j <fadedgrace2001@y...>

> >Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:10 pm

> >Subject: Re: PROZACAWARENESS Hi Jan, update on Bob

> >

> >

> >ADVERTISEMENT

> >

> >

> >

> >, Robin, and :

> >

> >Thanks for all your responses! I have been away for

> >awhile, while trying to process this whole w/d thing.

> >I am so close to being done, but I know that it will

> >take longer to fully feel the effects of the

> >Prozac.... have taken it for 5 + years, so I have

> >enough in me to choke a horse...

> >The head zaps thing was weird, never happened before.

> >It was like my brain was slowly spun in my skull, and

> >I was disoriented a bit. I got scared immediately,

> >did not say anything to my fiance (I don't want to

> >tell him of EVERY side effect - he'd probably think I

> >was turining into a hypochondriac), and just went to

> >bed afterwards. Did not get sick to my stomach or

> >thirsty, but I did get a very pronounced feeling of

> >sadness (the same as when I would begin a depressive

> >episode). Went to sleep and woke up with no lasting

> >effects. It has not happened since.

> >I have not gone to the doctor about any of this,

> >because I know what will happen there.. Have not seen

> >my therapist in a long time, because i think i'm

> >holding up pretty well, all things considered.

> >However, I did write a short but concise letter to Dr

> >Breggin with some questions about me being a bone

> >marrow donor for my brother, and I did not get a

> >response from him, but I got a packet in the mail from

> >his office with a form to enroll me in some kind of

> >'thing' that required me to send money. That was kind

> >of dissappointing. I will check when I get home and

> >post later to let you know what it was exactly. It

> >was in support of 'the cause' and making people aware

> >of the dangers of this kind of medication, but I did

> >not get a note or anything, and it just looked to me

> >like an opportunity to send them $$$$.

> >

> >

> >?????

> >

> >Jan

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

yes she did email him I believe and all she got in the mail was a

packet asking for money

> Dear & Jan,

>

> Did you try to e-mail Dr. Breggin. His address is on the web

page. I tried

> and actually did speak to him a little.

>

> Suzy

>

>

> >From: " joey75234 " <bobd1@e...>

> >Reply-SSRI medications@y...

> >SSRI medications@y...

> >Subject: Breggin asks for $$$????

> >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:14:31 -0000

> >

> >Hi all, some of you Jan from many months ago over at

PROZOCAWARENESS,

> >seems she is down to a veny small amount and has been having pretty

> >bad withdrawals... not the issue here, the part that bothered me

was

> >her response from Dr Breggin and his people.... I did not like the

> >wound of it...any one know about this sort of thing happening

> >before????

> >

> >

> >

> >From: j j <fadedgrace2001@y...>

> >Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 1:10 pm

> >Subject: Re: PROZACAWARENESS Hi Jan, update on Bob

> >

> >

> >ADVERTISEMENT

> >

> >

> >

> >, Robin, and :

> >

> >Thanks for all your responses! I have been away for

> >awhile, while trying to process this whole w/d thing.

> >I am so close to being done, but I know that it will

> >take longer to fully feel the effects of the

> >Prozac.... have taken it for 5 + years, so I have

> >enough in me to choke a horse...

> >The head zaps thing was weird, never happened before.

> >It was like my brain was slowly spun in my skull, and

> >I was disoriented a bit. I got scared immediately,

> >did not say anything to my fiance (I don't want to

> >tell him of EVERY side effect - he'd probably think I

> >was turining into a hypochondriac), and just went to

> >bed afterwards. Did not get sick to my stomach or

> >thirsty, but I did get a very pronounced feeling of

> >sadness (the same as when I would begin a depressive

> >episode). Went to sleep and woke up with no lasting

> >effects. It has not happened since.

> >I have not gone to the doctor about any of this,

> >because I know what will happen there.. Have not seen

> >my therapist in a long time, because i think i'm

> >holding up pretty well, all things considered.

> >However, I did write a short but concise letter to Dr

> >Breggin with some questions about me being a bone

> >marrow donor for my brother, and I did not get a

> >response from him, but I got a packet in the mail from

> >his office with a form to enroll me in some kind of

> >'thing' that required me to send money. That was kind

> >of dissappointing. I will check when I get home and

> >post later to let you know what it was exactly. It

> >was in support of 'the cause' and making people aware

> >of the dangers of this kind of medication, but I did

> >not get a note or anything, and it just looked to me

> >like an opportunity to send them $$$$.

> >

> >

> >?????

> >

> >Jan

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:

> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

[Guest guest]

> Hi all, some of you Jan from many months ago over at

PROZOCAWARENESS,

> seems she is down to a veny small amount and has been having pretty

> bad withdrawals... not the issue here, the part that bothered me was

> her response from Dr Breggin and his people.... I did not like the

> wound of it...any one know about this sort of thing happening

> before????

>

Gang,

So hard for me to watch as y'all go through what I've discovered over

the past 3+ years. When I dug for the truth post drug reaction back

in '98, it was practically to China. After my reaction to the

Wellbutrin, I came across the god-man, Breggin ~ talked to him and was

told I must " prove " my case ~ get the Summary Basis of Approval for

the drug, Medwatch reports, etc. Our group has since had contact with

him with our scientific findings. I will not denigrate the man here,

nor go into details, but, what I have found in this man is yet another

cookie cut out of the very many whom I have contacted who are doing

quite well as authors and very, very well paid experts in legal

battles. My question? What makes them any different than those on the

other side they are fighting? To me, many of them are doing nothing

more than participating in a political power struggle, i.e., as in who

wins in the upper echelon prestige department. It's all about the

money, any way you look at it...Take the bucks away and you tell me ~

any of these guys offer their services pro bono? Downer? Yup. True?

You tell me...

Collissa~

[Guest guest]

> Hi all, some of you Jan from many months ago over at

PROZOCAWARENESS,

> seems she is down to a veny small amount and has been having pretty

> bad withdrawals... not the issue here, the part that bothered me was

> her response from Dr Breggin and his people.... I did not like the

> wound of it...any one know about this sort of thing happening

> before????

>

Gang,

So hard for me to watch as y'all go through what I've discovered over

the past 3+ years. When I dug for the truth post drug reaction back

in '98, it was practically to China. After my reaction to the

Wellbutrin, I came across the god-man, Breggin ~ talked to him and was

told I must " prove " my case ~ get the Summary Basis of Approval for

the drug, Medwatch reports, etc. Our group has since had contact with

him with our scientific findings. I will not denigrate the man here,

nor go into details, but, what I have found in this man is yet another

cookie cut out of the very many whom I have contacted who are doing

quite well as authors and very, very well paid experts in legal

battles. My question? What makes them any different than those on the

other side they are fighting? To me, many of them are doing nothing

more than participating in a political power struggle, i.e., as in who

wins in the upper echelon prestige department. It's all about the

money, any way you look at it...Take the bucks away and you tell me ~

any of these guys offer their services pro bono? Downer? Yup. True?

You tell me...

Collissa~

[Guest guest]

Dear Colissa,

You said:

<<Our group has since had contact with

him with our scientific findings. I will not denigrate the man here,

nor go into details, but, what I have found in this man is yet another

cookie cut out of the very many whom I have contacted who are doing

quite well as authors and very, very well paid experts in legal

battles. My question? What makes them any different than those on the

other side they are fighting? To me, many of them are doing nothing

more than participating in a political power struggle, i.e., as in who

wins in the upper echelon prestige department. It's all about the

money, any way you look at it...Take the bucks away and you tell me ~

any of these guys offer their services pro bono? Downer? Yup. True?

You tell me...>>

I think that sometimes people don't realize

how much time, knowledge, and energy others give away.

At what point do people have a right to be paid for their time?

People with far less knowledge get paid for their time.

Some people work at Burger King. They work for eight

hours and get paid for eight hours. Others do work

that requires they do more work in order to be good at their

work. They often work well over eight hours a day.

As none of us know just how much others give, how

can we judge them for what they don't give?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

> Dear Colissa,

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> <<Our group has since had contact with

> him with our scientific findings. I will not denigrate the man here,

> nor go into details, but, what I have found in this man is yet

another

> cookie cut out of the very many whom I have contacted who are doing

> quite well as authors and very, very well paid experts in legal

> battles. My question? What makes them any different than those on

the

> other side they are fighting? To me, many of them are doing nothing

> more than participating in a political power struggle, i.e., as in

who

> wins in the upper echelon prestige department. It's all about the

> money, any way you look at it...Take the bucks away and you tell me

~

> any of these guys offer their services pro bono? Downer? Yup. True?

> You tell me...>>

>

>

> I think that sometimes people don't realize

> how much time, knowledge, and energy others give away.

> At what point do people have a right to be paid for their time?

> People with far less knowledge get paid for their time.

> Some people work at Burger King. They work for eight

> hours and get paid for eight hours. Others do work

> that requires they do more work in order to be good at their

> work. They often work well over eight hours a day.

> As none of us know just how much others give, how

> can we judge them for what they don't give?

>

> Regards,

>

Your point is very well taken, . I am only speaking from my

own experience with the man and others. It is my own frustration

speaking here, as I see things from a different viewpoint, i.e., when

does giving just for the sake of giving become the " payoff? " I don't

in any way propose that those who have given much to learn and speak

out not be compensated within reason...I just see those who are in

need of real help, who have no money, who are left out of the loop

and it frustrates and angers me ~ my sore spot.

....A mother works well over eight hours a day in order to be good in

her work ~ and yet her contributions are rarely monetarily

rewarded...Always depends on what side of the elephant one is looking

at, eh?

Best~

Collissa

[Guest guest]

In 1997 when I was in the throes of Paxil withdrawal, I contacted the Breggins and was in quite an E-mail fest with Ginger over the next year as I was formulating the plot of my book. they sent me literally REAMS of research on these drugs, FedEx'd them, too. They were both very supportive, and I offered to do whatever work I could for them, for free, just for all the valuable information they sent me, but alas, I was too sick to do anything for years post-Paxil. I personally know of a lot of people he helped for free, but I'm sure he does try to get paid when and where he can and what's wrong with that??? But yes, I do agree, that he is a major player in the "game" but that doesn't make him an incubus.

[Guest guest]

In 1997 when I was in the throes of Paxil withdrawal, I contacted the Breggins and was in quite an E-mail fest with Ginger over the next year as I was formulating the plot of my book. they sent me literally REAMS of research on these drugs, FedEx'd them, too. They were both very supportive, and I offered to do whatever work I could for them, for free, just for all the valuable information they sent me, but alas, I was too sick to do anything for years post-Paxil. I personally know of a lot of people he helped for free, but I'm sure he does try to get paid when and where he can and what's wrong with that??? But yes, I do agree, that he is a major player in the "game" but that doesn't make him an incubus.