Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Gab, this is the line that they gave me when my son had a complete psychotic raging episode from paxil. They said he was bipolar and needed Depakote. WELL, once he was off paxil(never took the Depakote) for 10 months he's absolutely fine.(withdrawal was hell!) Only in psychiatry is an adverse reaction to a drug treated as a disease, which, in their opinion requires more drugs. If a patient has a reaction to any other category of drugs, the offending drug is immediately discontinued. In psychiatry the dose is doubled or another drug is added. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Gab, this is the line that they gave me when my son had a complete psychotic raging episode from paxil. They said he was bipolar and needed Depakote. WELL, once he was off paxil(never took the Depakote) for 10 months he's absolutely fine.(withdrawal was hell!) Only in psychiatry is an adverse reaction to a drug treated as a disease, which, in their opinion requires more drugs. If a patient has a reaction to any other category of drugs, the offending drug is immediately discontinued. In psychiatry the dose is doubled or another drug is added. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Gab, this is the line that they gave me when my son had a complete psychotic raging episode from paxil. They said he was bipolar and needed Depakote. WELL, once he was off paxil(never took the Depakote) for 10 months he's absolutely fine.(withdrawal was hell!) Only in psychiatry is an adverse reaction to a drug treated as a disease, which, in their opinion requires more drugs. If a patient has a reaction to any other category of drugs, the offending drug is immediately discontinued. In psychiatry the dose is doubled or another drug is added. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Gab, this is the line that they gave me when my son had a complete psychotic raging episode from paxil. They said he was bipolar and needed Depakote. WELL, once he was off paxil(never took the Depakote) for 10 months he's absolutely fine.(withdrawal was hell!) Only in psychiatry is an adverse reaction to a drug treated as a disease, which, in their opinion requires more drugs. If a patient has a reaction to any other category of drugs, the offending drug is immediately discontinued. In psychiatry the dose is doubled or another drug is added. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Imbalance for dopamine?? They know just how much dopamine everyone should have in their brains at the various stages of brain development? Don't let them fool you, they have no idea what the proper " balance " should be. Did you know that the naturally occurring higher levels of dopamine in the brain is thought to be the reason older adolescents are impulsive and risk takers? Sure, lets stir up dopamine without really knowing what we're doing. Sounds smart.... The problem with the comment about bipolars not being on anti anxiety meds unless they are on medications for their bipolar is that too many doctors simply don't know what medications should be used for bipolar. Antidepressants are NOT first line bipolar medications but you can't convince most psychiatrists of that. I wonder what anti anxiety meds they're thinking of. Haven't heard of much help for anxiety, to be honest. Most of those drugs eventually cause more problems than they help too. (Did I tell you about my son taking 3 times his prescribed dose of Klonopin trying to settle down after an incident? The amount he took was not an overdose but was well within the normal range for the medication. He didn't sleep for 36 hours. When he finally woke up, the threw the Klonopin and the Celexa across the room, never to take either again. That's when he started to get better.) If patients knew that they may never get off the drugs they are given, not because they need the drugs but because their bodies adapt to having the drug in their system, they may be willing to work more on other treatments. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Imbalance for dopamine?? They know just how much dopamine everyone should have in their brains at the various stages of brain development? Don't let them fool you, they have no idea what the proper " balance " should be. Did you know that the naturally occurring higher levels of dopamine in the brain is thought to be the reason older adolescents are impulsive and risk takers? Sure, lets stir up dopamine without really knowing what we're doing. Sounds smart.... The problem with the comment about bipolars not being on anti anxiety meds unless they are on medications for their bipolar is that too many doctors simply don't know what medications should be used for bipolar. Antidepressants are NOT first line bipolar medications but you can't convince most psychiatrists of that. I wonder what anti anxiety meds they're thinking of. Haven't heard of much help for anxiety, to be honest. Most of those drugs eventually cause more problems than they help too. (Did I tell you about my son taking 3 times his prescribed dose of Klonopin trying to settle down after an incident? The amount he took was not an overdose but was well within the normal range for the medication. He didn't sleep for 36 hours. When he finally woke up, the threw the Klonopin and the Celexa across the room, never to take either again. That's when he started to get better.) If patients knew that they may never get off the drugs they are given, not because they need the drugs but because their bodies adapt to having the drug in their system, they may be willing to work more on other treatments. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 In a message dated 10/18/2005 12:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Gabdud@... writes: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Bravo for you Gab!!!!!! I give you 5 gold stars for how you stood up today! My sister in law, A child Psychologist, is also against the use of drugs! She has now started her own practice and is using therapy, nutrition and supplements and a few other things that she has attended seminars on(learned from Dr. Mercols'a site). Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 In a message dated 10/18/2005 12:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Gabdud@... writes: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Bravo for you Gab!!!!!! I give you 5 gold stars for how you stood up today! My sister in law, A child Psychologist, is also against the use of drugs! She has now started her own practice and is using therapy, nutrition and supplements and a few other things that she has attended seminars on(learned from Dr. Mercols'a site). Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 In a message dated 10/18/2005 12:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Gabdud@... writes: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Bravo for you Gab!!!!!! I give you 5 gold stars for how you stood up today! My sister in law, A child Psychologist, is also against the use of drugs! She has now started her own practice and is using therapy, nutrition and supplements and a few other things that she has attended seminars on(learned from Dr. Mercols'a site). Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 In a message dated 10/18/2005 12:04:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Gabdud@... writes: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Bravo for you Gab!!!!!! I give you 5 gold stars for how you stood up today! My sister in law, A child Psychologist, is also against the use of drugs! She has now started her own practice and is using therapy, nutrition and supplements and a few other things that she has attended seminars on(learned from Dr. Mercols'a site). Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 gab. it's me,pam, again. i'll let catharine and others respond re the nutritional stuff. it's kinda outta of my league. and bravo for you to bring this up at your meeting in front of your peers and teachers, and BTW with the Drug reps there[?]. the Dopamine imbalance thing is not new at all. The Dopamine theory was and still is the main theory cooked up to *explain* " and *treat* psychotic MI's, you now like Schiz.[like MOI] They drugs they gave[me] like Thorazine looked like they only affected the dopamine neurotransmitter system. And, since the patients seem to be less psychotic[ it zonks people] on Thorazine, the drug researchers *decided* that the patients were lacking in sufficient dopamine. I.E., the researchers made a giant and erroneous leap: " Thorazine, a dopamineric chemical[increases availability of the dopamine], makes schizs better[in the psychs POV} , so then the schizs must have a dopamine prob " . Thing is they never tested for it and don't have a test for it. It is and was a BOGUS theory. And a deadly one.After years of using the drugs, like Thorazine[ the drugs class called " neuroleptics " ] guess what happended? These " treated " schizs showed signs of NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS, real ones , like Tardive dyskenesia[i got it], akathesia[got this too]. The drugs caused these. Plus heart failures and other deadly repercussion SEE: Anatomy of an Epidemic: Psychiatric Drugs and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America, by Whitaker, Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, Volume 7, Number I: 23-35 Spring 2005. BTW, have yu heard of , read , Whitaker's book Mad in America?.. it is a extensive, thorough history of mental health treament in America, from 1600's to 2001. Very well documented, absolutley an impeccably researched book. Whitaker is a journalist who wnet into this believing in the Medical Model of MI. your univ. library no doubt has a copy, run go ,get it read it. honest, it covers lots of the things you bring to this list. -pam Gabdud@... wrote: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 gab. it's me,pam, again. i'll let catharine and others respond re the nutritional stuff. it's kinda outta of my league. and bravo for you to bring this up at your meeting in front of your peers and teachers, and BTW with the Drug reps there[?]. the Dopamine imbalance thing is not new at all. The Dopamine theory was and still is the main theory cooked up to *explain* " and *treat* psychotic MI's, you now like Schiz.[like MOI] They drugs they gave[me] like Thorazine looked like they only affected the dopamine neurotransmitter system. And, since the patients seem to be less psychotic[ it zonks people] on Thorazine, the drug researchers *decided* that the patients were lacking in sufficient dopamine. I.E., the researchers made a giant and erroneous leap: " Thorazine, a dopamineric chemical[increases availability of the dopamine], makes schizs better[in the psychs POV} , so then the schizs must have a dopamine prob " . Thing is they never tested for it and don't have a test for it. It is and was a BOGUS theory. And a deadly one.After years of using the drugs, like Thorazine[ the drugs class called " neuroleptics " ] guess what happended? These " treated " schizs showed signs of NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS, real ones , like Tardive dyskenesia[i got it], akathesia[got this too]. The drugs caused these. Plus heart failures and other deadly repercussion SEE: Anatomy of an Epidemic: Psychiatric Drugs and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America, by Whitaker, Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, Volume 7, Number I: 23-35 Spring 2005. BTW, have yu heard of , read , Whitaker's book Mad in America?.. it is a extensive, thorough history of mental health treament in America, from 1600's to 2001. Very well documented, absolutley an impeccably researched book. Whitaker is a journalist who wnet into this believing in the Medical Model of MI. your univ. library no doubt has a copy, run go ,get it read it. honest, it covers lots of the things you bring to this list. -pam Gabdud@... wrote: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 gab. it's me,pam, again. i'll let catharine and others respond re the nutritional stuff. it's kinda outta of my league. and bravo for you to bring this up at your meeting in front of your peers and teachers, and BTW with the Drug reps there[?]. the Dopamine imbalance thing is not new at all. The Dopamine theory was and still is the main theory cooked up to *explain* " and *treat* psychotic MI's, you now like Schiz.[like MOI] They drugs they gave[me] like Thorazine looked like they only affected the dopamine neurotransmitter system. And, since the patients seem to be less psychotic[ it zonks people] on Thorazine, the drug researchers *decided* that the patients were lacking in sufficient dopamine. I.E., the researchers made a giant and erroneous leap: " Thorazine, a dopamineric chemical[increases availability of the dopamine], makes schizs better[in the psychs POV} , so then the schizs must have a dopamine prob " . Thing is they never tested for it and don't have a test for it. It is and was a BOGUS theory. And a deadly one.After years of using the drugs, like Thorazine[ the drugs class called " neuroleptics " ] guess what happended? These " treated " schizs showed signs of NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS, real ones , like Tardive dyskenesia[i got it], akathesia[got this too]. The drugs caused these. Plus heart failures and other deadly repercussion SEE: Anatomy of an Epidemic: Psychiatric Drugs and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America, by Whitaker, Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, Volume 7, Number I: 23-35 Spring 2005. BTW, have yu heard of , read , Whitaker's book Mad in America?.. it is a extensive, thorough history of mental health treament in America, from 1600's to 2001. Very well documented, absolutley an impeccably researched book. Whitaker is a journalist who wnet into this believing in the Medical Model of MI. your univ. library no doubt has a copy, run go ,get it read it. honest, it covers lots of the things you bring to this list. -pam Gabdud@... wrote: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 gab. it's me,pam, again. i'll let catharine and others respond re the nutritional stuff. it's kinda outta of my league. and bravo for you to bring this up at your meeting in front of your peers and teachers, and BTW with the Drug reps there[?]. the Dopamine imbalance thing is not new at all. The Dopamine theory was and still is the main theory cooked up to *explain* " and *treat* psychotic MI's, you now like Schiz.[like MOI] They drugs they gave[me] like Thorazine looked like they only affected the dopamine neurotransmitter system. And, since the patients seem to be less psychotic[ it zonks people] on Thorazine, the drug researchers *decided* that the patients were lacking in sufficient dopamine. I.E., the researchers made a giant and erroneous leap: " Thorazine, a dopamineric chemical[increases availability of the dopamine], makes schizs better[in the psychs POV} , so then the schizs must have a dopamine prob " . Thing is they never tested for it and don't have a test for it. It is and was a BOGUS theory. And a deadly one.After years of using the drugs, like Thorazine[ the drugs class called " neuroleptics " ] guess what happended? These " treated " schizs showed signs of NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS, real ones , like Tardive dyskenesia[i got it], akathesia[got this too]. The drugs caused these. Plus heart failures and other deadly repercussion SEE: Anatomy of an Epidemic: Psychiatric Drugs and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America, by Whitaker, Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, Volume 7, Number I: 23-35 Spring 2005. BTW, have yu heard of , read , Whitaker's book Mad in America?.. it is a extensive, thorough history of mental health treament in America, from 1600's to 2001. Very well documented, absolutley an impeccably researched book. Whitaker is a journalist who wnet into this believing in the Medical Model of MI. your univ. library no doubt has a copy, run go ,get it read it. honest, it covers lots of the things you bring to this list. -pam Gabdud@... wrote: I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with it....but this is what I was told. Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Gab, I'm glad you stood up for what's right. Thank you! I would say also that there are some who disagree so much that they might attack you. I know I have been attacked. The psychologist that came up with the original statistics on ritalin use was attacked anonymously and almost lost her job. Something happened behind closed doors and everything settled down but many are not so lucky. To explain the truth to people that have been basically commiting crimes against their patients can create a very strong backlash. It's a tough thing to swallow. Many people really do just want a quick fix and will be angry if you don't give it to them. to help them and treat them right you have to be armed with the truth to get them to go along. Be prepared for some to go looking elsewhere for that quick fix. It is their responsibility in the end, painful as that is. Breggin had to shock people to become a psychiatrist, I have heard he regrets it but felt he had to get inside the system to make any changes. Breggin has done great work since and many people that call for help know of him and have read his work. Please know your in a safe looking minefield. I would recommend checking out Dr. Breeding's website www.wildestcolts.com is one of the most decent men I have ever met. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 There is no such thing as a " set " " amount " of a neurotransmitter, in the brain, or any other part of the body. There is a constant flux of neurotransmitters, and constant interactions and co-actions among them. That's one very basic reason why these drugs are so destructive. Re: Dopamine is Next..... Imbalance for dopamine?? They know just how much dopamine everyone should have in their brains at the various stages of brain development? Don't let them fool you, they have no idea what the proper " balance " should be. Did you know that the naturally occurring higher levels of dopamine in the brain is thought to be the reason older adolescents are impulsive and risk takers? Sure, lets stir up dopamine without really knowing what we're doing. Sounds smart.... The problem with the comment about bipolars not being on anti anxiety meds unless they are on medications for their bipolar is that too many doctors simply don't know what medications should be used for bipolar. Antidepressants are NOT first line bipolar medications but you can't convince most psychiatrists of that. I wonder what anti anxiety meds they're thinking of. Haven't heard of much help for anxiety, to be honest. Most of those drugs eventually cause more problems than they help too. (Did I tell you about my son taking 3 times his prescribed dose of Klonopin trying to settle down after an incident? The amount he took was not an overdose but was well within the normal range for the medication. He didn't sleep for 36 hours. When he finally woke up, the threw the Klonopin and the Celexa across the room, never to take either again. That's when he started to get better.) If patients knew that they may never get off the drugs they are given, not because they need the drugs but because their bodies adapt to having the drug in their system, they may be willing to work more on other treatments. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 There is no such thing as a " set " " amount " of a neurotransmitter, in the brain, or any other part of the body. There is a constant flux of neurotransmitters, and constant interactions and co-actions among them. That's one very basic reason why these drugs are so destructive. Re: Dopamine is Next..... Imbalance for dopamine?? They know just how much dopamine everyone should have in their brains at the various stages of brain development? Don't let them fool you, they have no idea what the proper " balance " should be. Did you know that the naturally occurring higher levels of dopamine in the brain is thought to be the reason older adolescents are impulsive and risk takers? Sure, lets stir up dopamine without really knowing what we're doing. Sounds smart.... The problem with the comment about bipolars not being on anti anxiety meds unless they are on medications for their bipolar is that too many doctors simply don't know what medications should be used for bipolar. Antidepressants are NOT first line bipolar medications but you can't convince most psychiatrists of that. I wonder what anti anxiety meds they're thinking of. Haven't heard of much help for anxiety, to be honest. Most of those drugs eventually cause more problems than they help too. (Did I tell you about my son taking 3 times his prescribed dose of Klonopin trying to settle down after an incident? The amount he took was not an overdose but was well within the normal range for the medication. He didn't sleep for 36 hours. When he finally woke up, the threw the Klonopin and the Celexa across the room, never to take either again. That's when he started to get better.) If patients knew that they may never get off the drugs they are given, not because they need the drugs but because their bodies adapt to having the drug in their system, they may be willing to work more on other treatments. > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going to focus > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs to bring > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in Dopamine. > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they need to > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There are 14 chemicals > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have no doubt > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be produced to > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I agree with > it....but this is what I was told. > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about Abilify. > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of the > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " could be treated > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral therapy......and > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be treated the > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one to five > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most patients do not > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such a long > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to treat my > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and therapy. They > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients want instant > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel that I'm setting > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about using > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are being treated > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. With > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are also on > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today to say what I > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they would not agree > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I may be completely off base but as I understand what I've read (and I don't know for sure it was right) Serotonin amd Dopamine are intertwined in that when the level of one goes up the level of the other comes down. Based on this if there was any validity to the " chemical imbalance " claim and a person did have low serotonin and their dopamine was OK when the serotonin was increased the previously normal level of dopamine would now be low. If they are allowed to continue on this road of personality manipulation soon nobody will have any idea whether they are a human a chicken or a pig. Charlie > > > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going > to focus > > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs > to bring > > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in > Dopamine. > > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they > need to > > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There > are 14 chemicals > > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have > no doubt > > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be > produced to > > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I > agree with > > it....but this is what I was told. > > > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about > Abilify. > > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of > the > > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " > could be treated > > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral > therapy......and > > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be > treated the > > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one > to five > > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most > patients do not > > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such > a long > > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to > treat my > > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and > therapy. They > > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients > want instant > > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel > that I'm setting > > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about > using > > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are > being treated > > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. > With > > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are > also on > > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today > to say what I > > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they > would not agree > > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > > > Gab > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I may be completely off base but as I understand what I've read (and I don't know for sure it was right) Serotonin amd Dopamine are intertwined in that when the level of one goes up the level of the other comes down. Based on this if there was any validity to the " chemical imbalance " claim and a person did have low serotonin and their dopamine was OK when the serotonin was increased the previously normal level of dopamine would now be low. If they are allowed to continue on this road of personality manipulation soon nobody will have any idea whether they are a human a chicken or a pig. Charlie > > > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going > to focus > > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs > to bring > > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in > Dopamine. > > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they > need to > > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There > are 14 chemicals > > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have > no doubt > > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be > produced to > > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I > agree with > > it....but this is what I was told. > > > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about > Abilify. > > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of > the > > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " > could be treated > > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral > therapy......and > > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be > treated the > > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one > to five > > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most > patients do not > > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such > a long > > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to > treat my > > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and > therapy. They > > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients > want instant > > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel > that I'm setting > > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about > using > > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are > being treated > > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. > With > > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are > also on > > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today > to say what I > > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they > would not agree > > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > > > Gab > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 You are absolutely right. Dr. Breggin talked about that years ago in his " Talking Back to Prozac. " Mess with one neurotransmitter, and all the others, especially dopamine, are thrown into unnatural levels. I di not have a real clue, before I read that book, it really opened my eyes. I think I have read it at least 4 times since 1997, he covered the filthy scandal of these SSRI drugs from so many angles besides explaining how they affect the body and mind. The sections of that book describing the drug trials, approval process, and political entanglements involving Prozac's coming to the market blew my mind. I had always assumed the FDA was there to protect the public, and that was what it did. 14 drug protocols, and only two were able to show ANY positive results, small as those were, and the FDA itself had to chastise the administrators of the trials within those two protocols for not following their own rules! And this was the " evidence " used to approve Prozac and open the floodgates for all the poison clones, the Paxil, the Effexor, the Celexa, and all that followed. Yesterday, a woman removed the clothes from her three children, aged 6, 3 and 1, and threw them to their deaths from the pier in San Francisco. Wonder which SSRI she was on. Re: Dopamine is Next..... I may be completely off base but as I understand what I've read (and I don't know for sure it was right) Serotonin amd Dopamine are intertwined in that when the level of one goes up the level of the other comes down. Based on this if there was any validity to the " chemical imbalance " claim and a person did have low serotonin and their dopamine was OK when the serotonin was increased the previously normal level of dopamine would now be low. If they are allowed to continue on this road of personality manipulation soon nobody will have any idea whether they are a human a chicken or a pig. Charlie > > > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going > to focus > > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs > to bring > > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in > Dopamine. > > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they > need to > > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There > are 14 chemicals > > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have > no doubt > > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be > produced to > > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I > agree with > > it....but this is what I was told. > > > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about > Abilify. > > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of > the > > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " > could be treated > > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral > therapy......and > > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be > treated the > > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one > to five > > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most > patients do not > > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such > a long > > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to > treat my > > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and > therapy. They > > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients > want instant > > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel > that I'm setting > > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about > using > > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are > being treated > > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. > With > > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are > also on > > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today > to say what I > > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they > would not agree > > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > > > Gab > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 You are absolutely right. Dr. Breggin talked about that years ago in his " Talking Back to Prozac. " Mess with one neurotransmitter, and all the others, especially dopamine, are thrown into unnatural levels. I di not have a real clue, before I read that book, it really opened my eyes. I think I have read it at least 4 times since 1997, he covered the filthy scandal of these SSRI drugs from so many angles besides explaining how they affect the body and mind. The sections of that book describing the drug trials, approval process, and political entanglements involving Prozac's coming to the market blew my mind. I had always assumed the FDA was there to protect the public, and that was what it did. 14 drug protocols, and only two were able to show ANY positive results, small as those were, and the FDA itself had to chastise the administrators of the trials within those two protocols for not following their own rules! And this was the " evidence " used to approve Prozac and open the floodgates for all the poison clones, the Paxil, the Effexor, the Celexa, and all that followed. Yesterday, a woman removed the clothes from her three children, aged 6, 3 and 1, and threw them to their deaths from the pier in San Francisco. Wonder which SSRI she was on. Re: Dopamine is Next..... I may be completely off base but as I understand what I've read (and I don't know for sure it was right) Serotonin amd Dopamine are intertwined in that when the level of one goes up the level of the other comes down. Based on this if there was any validity to the " chemical imbalance " claim and a person did have low serotonin and their dopamine was OK when the serotonin was increased the previously normal level of dopamine would now be low. If they are allowed to continue on this road of personality manipulation soon nobody will have any idea whether they are a human a chicken or a pig. Charlie > > > > I just learned today that mental health research is now going > to focus > > on the imbalance of Dopamine. They are going to start testing drugs > to bring > > balance to Dopamine for those who suffer from an imbalance in > Dopamine. > > Research has focused on Serotonin in the past and now they feel they > need to > > explore another chemical in the brain and produce new drugs. There > are 14 chemicals > > in the brain, at least that's what I learned in school, and I have > no doubt > > in time every single chemical will be researched and a drug will be > produced to > > balance them all. I'm stating what I heard today....not that I > agree with > > it....but this is what I was told. > > > > Also, we had a pharmaceutical rep in today informing us about > Abilify. > > We had about 30 therapists present at this meeting. At the end of > the > > meeting, I asked if anyone felt that " so called mental disorders " > could be treated > > with nutrition, exercise, vitamins, and cognitive behavioral > therapy......and > > no drugs! This is what their response was.....yes, they can be > treated the > > natural way. However, according to them, it takes an average of one > to five > > years to treat a patient the holistic way. They feel that most > patients do not > > have the drive, committment, nor mental strength to go through such > a long > > process. I told them that I was against using drugs and planned to > treat my > > patients by educating them on nutrition, exercise, vitamins and > therapy. They > > said.....Good Luck! According to the other therapists, patients > want instant > > relief from their symptoms, which drugs can give them. They feel > that I'm setting > > myself up to fail by going this route. I raised my concerns about > using > > drugs, and they said that suicide is mostly seen in patients who are > being treated > > for anxiety with drugs when they also have bipolar as a comorbidity. > With > > bipolar, anti-anxiety medication should NOT be used unless they are > also on > > medication for their mood disorder. It took a lot out of me today > to say what I > > said in front of all the therapists, but I did it. I knew they > would not agree > > with me, but I still let them know how I felt and why. > > > > Gab > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Thank you for all your kind words and support. I had a very bad week. One of our patients in detox committed suicide. I found him in his room. He hung himself. This was not due to SSRI meds as he was not on any medication. He was homeless when he came in to our facility and lost all hope. He was previously petitioned to the psychiatric ward, different facility, and told them he was suicidal when they released him to our facility. Why the released him to us is beyond me! Now he's dead and I'm the one who found him hanging. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Gab, Sorry to hear that. I wonder why the facility let him go? Jim Thank you for all your kind words and support. I had a very bad week. One of our patients in detox committed suicide. I found him in his room. He hung himself. This was not due to SSRI meds as he was not on any medication. He was homeless when he came in to our facility and lost all hope. He was previously petitioned to the psychiatric ward, different facility, and told them he was suicidal when they released him to our facility. Why the released him to us is beyond me! Now he's dead and I'm the one who found him hanging. Gab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Because he couldn't pay and they knew no one cared anyway. In cases where the person can't pay, they get the minimun amount of care and only keep them as long as they have to by law. > > Gab, > > Sorry to hear that. I wonder why the facility let him go? > > Jim > > > Thank you for all your kind words and support. I had a very bad week. > One of our patients in detox committed suicide. I found him in his room. > He > hung himself. This was not due to SSRI meds as he was not on any > medication. > He was homeless when he came in to our facility and lost all hope. He was > previously petitioned to the psychiatric ward, different facility, and told > them he was suicidal when they released him to our facility. Why the > released > him to us is beyond me! Now he's dead and I'm the one who found him > hanging. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Because he couldn't pay and they knew no one cared anyway. In cases where the person can't pay, they get the minimun amount of care and only keep them as long as they have to by law. > > Gab, > > Sorry to hear that. I wonder why the facility let him go? > > Jim > > > Thank you for all your kind words and support. I had a very bad week. > One of our patients in detox committed suicide. I found him in his room. > He > hung himself. This was not due to SSRI meds as he was not on any > medication. > He was homeless when he came in to our facility and lost all hope. He was > previously petitioned to the psychiatric ward, different facility, and told > them he was suicidal when they released him to our facility. Why the > released > him to us is beyond me! Now he's dead and I'm the one who found him > hanging. > > Gab > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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