Re: I Finally Figured It Out!!

October 16, 2005

I'm not surprised to hear that, Connie. I'm finding out that there is

a lot of ugliness in life in general.

Gab

October 16, 2005

>> So, in all honesty, I am very new to the field.

I see. You have a lot to learn outside the class room

Gab. And you will learn that there is a very ugly and

dark side to this new world you are entering.

Glitter's book is pretty interesting and exposes some

very dark and ugly secrets.

Connie

October 16, 2005

>> So, in all honesty, I am very new to the field.

I see. You have a lot to learn outside the class room

Gab. And you will learn that there is a very ugly and

dark side to this new world you are entering.

Glitter's book is pretty interesting and exposes some

very dark and ugly secrets.

Connie

October 17, 2005

I agree completely with Pam. thank you Pam!

One thing that throws people is that it's obvious that people are right

there in fromt of you being sad, upset or nervous etc. Those things are real

but listing the symptoms and assigning a name to them to use bogus

treatments are completely false.

That was something that confused me at first. If someone close dies and your

sad that's NORMAL, not some BS psychiatric disease that needs snake oil.

Jim

Gab.

there is no such thing as a " mental illness[MI]} " . MI is a fiction. you

have bought into a fictional world. Psychiatry/MH its a whole Delusional

World which works for those work in the field. It has generated and

secured jobs and very good money for millions of folks . i can see why you

would not want to see the delusion as a Delusion.

The DSM has always been full of made-up " mental illness " .

True medical illness have verifiable and reliable scientific studies to

back up the diagnosis. The DSM diagnoses do not.

Have you read a work on the subject of DSM?, " Making Us Crazy " is

one.

She has been on the DSM writing comittee.

a Kaplan is trying to get Congressional hearings on the DSM.

-pam

Gabdud@... wrote:

Ken,

Thank you for the link to the web site. I read a little from it and

will read it in detail later today. I can tell you this much, what they say

on

the web site is true! This is how we were taught to diagnose in school. We

had a two day seminar on the DSM IV. We were given different scenarios on

paper and were told to diagnose the patient. We teamed up with someone and

came

up with a diagnosis from the DSM. When we reviewed our diagnosis in class,

we

all came up with a different diagnosis. We were told that there is no right

or wrong answer and different therapists can see the same patient and come

up

with different diagnosis. It just depends on our own style of diagnosing

and

what we feel is the presenting problem. Now, here's the thing, why doesn't

the

DSM IV have a diagnosis for someone who just has an issue or concern and

wants to talk to someone about how to best deal with the situation? A

non-mental

illness diagnosis. Just something to indicate that this person does not

have

a mental illness but just has a difficult time with handling an issue, which

is not uncommon in life. Maybe a diagnosis like that needs to be developed

and

added to the DSM IV.

Gab

October 17, 2005

I agree completely with Pam. thank you Pam!

One thing that throws people is that it's obvious that people are right

there in fromt of you being sad, upset or nervous etc. Those things are real

but listing the symptoms and assigning a name to them to use bogus

treatments are completely false.

That was something that confused me at first. If someone close dies and your

sad that's NORMAL, not some BS psychiatric disease that needs snake oil.

Jim

Gab.

there is no such thing as a " mental illness[MI]} " . MI is a fiction. you

have bought into a fictional world. Psychiatry/MH its a whole Delusional

World which works for those work in the field. It has generated and

secured jobs and very good money for millions of folks . i can see why you

would not want to see the delusion as a Delusion.

The DSM has always been full of made-up " mental illness " .

True medical illness have verifiable and reliable scientific studies to

back up the diagnosis. The DSM diagnoses do not.

Have you read a work on the subject of DSM?, " Making Us Crazy " is

one.

She has been on the DSM writing comittee.

a Kaplan is trying to get Congressional hearings on the DSM.

-pam

Gabdud@... wrote:

Ken,

Thank you for the link to the web site. I read a little from it and

will read it in detail later today. I can tell you this much, what they say

on

the web site is true! This is how we were taught to diagnose in school. We

had a two day seminar on the DSM IV. We were given different scenarios on

paper and were told to diagnose the patient. We teamed up with someone and

came

up with a diagnosis from the DSM. When we reviewed our diagnosis in class,

we

all came up with a different diagnosis. We were told that there is no right

or wrong answer and different therapists can see the same patient and come

up

with different diagnosis. It just depends on our own style of diagnosing

and

what we feel is the presenting problem. Now, here's the thing, why doesn't

the

DSM IV have a diagnosis for someone who just has an issue or concern and

wants to talk to someone about how to best deal with the situation? A

non-mental

illness diagnosis. Just something to indicate that this person does not

have

a mental illness but just has a difficult time with handling an issue, which

is not uncommon in life. Maybe a diagnosis like that needs to be developed

and

added to the DSM IV.

Gab

October 17, 2005

Gab,

Could this woman be dealing with drug withdrawal psychosis? I think it's

very likely. Also I like the way many Native American peoples traditionally

dealt with their people that wold be labeled schizophrenic. They respected

them and left them alone as much as possible. I know that is way more

effective than getting treated by a psychiatrist. No seclusion rooms, side

effects, drug induced insanity and to top it off a much better chance of

recovery. It's actually statistically proven that the " mentally ill " are not

violent. It's only these drug induced insanities that are popping up all

over AFTER SEEING A PSYCHIATRIST and getting a psych drug.

These drugs are creating the image that people who talk with imaginary

people are soooo dangerous. well they are potentially dangerous if they are

coming off a psych drug but most likely just need to be left alone.

If a two year old woke up in an adult body God help him. First temper

tantrum and he would be tasered, dragged in front of a judge and get court

ordered dopped to the gills.

Check this article out. I personally think this article is one of the

greatest pieces of journalism I have read in years. Mentions two World

Health Organization studies that showed people that are left alone and with

family (or anyone that loves and nurtures them) recover and many times fully

recover. Psychiatrists say there is no cure......

http://www.vedantam.com/culture-and-mind-series-2005.html

Best part still online at Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062601091.\

html

Jim

I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing people,

who are not

there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but would like

to

know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

Gab

October 17, 2005