Re: I Finally Figured It Out!!

[Guest guest]

~sigh~

~smile~

Stella

I Finally Figured It Out!!

I just figured out why I come across so many people who claim to have

been diagnosed with a mental disorder. If you go see a therapist because you

have a concern or an issue that you want to discuss....well....in order for

the

therapist to be paid by the insurance company, they HAVE TO come up with a

diagnosis from the DSM IV TR....Duh! So, if you're sad because your

grandmother

passed away....you are labeled depressed. If you are a little on edge

because you started a new job...you are labeled as having anxiety. I'm

starting to

get the picture now. Never thought about this before....go figure!

Gab

[Guest guest]

~sigh~

~smile~

Stella

I Finally Figured It Out!!

I just figured out why I come across so many people who claim to have

been diagnosed with a mental disorder. If you go see a therapist because you

have a concern or an issue that you want to discuss....well....in order for

the

therapist to be paid by the insurance company, they HAVE TO come up with a

diagnosis from the DSM IV TR....Duh! So, if you're sad because your

grandmother

passed away....you are labeled depressed. If you are a little on edge

because you started a new job...you are labeled as having anxiety. I'm

starting to

get the picture now. Never thought about this before....go figure!

Gab

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The Incredible Hoax and Horror of Modern Psychiatric Diagnosis:

http://www.psychdisorders.org/

I Finally Figured It Out!!

> I just figured out why I come across so many people who claim to

have

> been diagnosed with a mental disorder. If you go see a therapist because

you

> have a concern or an issue that you want to discuss....well....in order

for the

> therapist to be paid by the insurance company, they HAVE TO come up with a

> diagnosis from the DSM IV TR....Duh! So, if you're sad because your

grandmother

> passed away....you are labeled depressed. If you are a little on edge

> because you started a new job...you are labeled as having anxiety. I'm

starting to

> get the picture now. Never thought about this before....go figure!

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

Here's my background. I have three years of premed behind me. I took

all the chemistry, physics, biology, etc. courses needed for medical school

and was getting ready to take the MCAT when reality hit that I have an

extremely sensitive stomach and would pass out in medical school and never make

it!

So, I ended up majoring in science and getting a teaching certificate. I

taught for one year and resigned because I felt overwhelmed dealing with 30+

students at one time. I then decided that high school counseling would be a

good

fit for me as I would be seeing students on a one on one basis, with some

classroom guidance discussions, but it would not be dealing with 30+ students at

one

time for the entire day. I learned in school that high school counselors

mostly focus on scheduling classes and career development, which is not real

counseling......well, not as far as providing one on one therapy.....so I then

decided that I would much rather work in a clinical setting. I have a double

major....school counseling and community agency counseling....and have chose to

pursue a path in the clinical setting. I'm now an intern and will graduate in

December. So, in all honesty, I am very new to the field.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

Here's my background. I have three years of premed behind me. I took

all the chemistry, physics, biology, etc. courses needed for medical school

and was getting ready to take the MCAT when reality hit that I have an

extremely sensitive stomach and would pass out in medical school and never make

it!

So, I ended up majoring in science and getting a teaching certificate. I

taught for one year and resigned because I felt overwhelmed dealing with 30+

students at one time. I then decided that high school counseling would be a

good

fit for me as I would be seeing students on a one on one basis, with some

classroom guidance discussions, but it would not be dealing with 30+ students at

one

time for the entire day. I learned in school that high school counselors

mostly focus on scheduling classes and career development, which is not real

counseling......well, not as far as providing one on one therapy.....so I then

decided that I would much rather work in a clinical setting. I have a double

major....school counseling and community agency counseling....and have chose to

pursue a path in the clinical setting. I'm now an intern and will graduate in

December. So, in all honesty, I am very new to the field.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Ken,

Thank you for the link to the web site. I read a little from it and

will read it in detail later today. I can tell you this much, what they say on

the web site is true! This is how we were taught to diagnose in school. We

had a two day seminar on the DSM IV. We were given different scenarios on

paper and were told to diagnose the patient. We teamed up with someone and came

up with a diagnosis from the DSM. When we reviewed our diagnosis in class, we

all came up with a different diagnosis. We were told that there is no right

or wrong answer and different therapists can see the same patient and come up

with different diagnosis. It just depends on our own style of diagnosing and

what we feel is the presenting problem. Now, here's the thing, why doesn't the

DSM IV have a diagnosis for someone who just has an issue or concern and

wants to talk to someone about how to best deal with the situation? A

non-mental

illness diagnosis. Just something to indicate that this person does not have

a mental illness but just has a difficult time with handling an issue, which

is not uncommon in life. Maybe a diagnosis like that needs to be developed and

added to the DSM IV.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Ken,

Thank you for the link to the web site. I read a little from it and

will read it in detail later today. I can tell you this much, what they say on

the web site is true! This is how we were taught to diagnose in school. We

had a two day seminar on the DSM IV. We were given different scenarios on

paper and were told to diagnose the patient. We teamed up with someone and came

up with a diagnosis from the DSM. When we reviewed our diagnosis in class, we

all came up with a different diagnosis. We were told that there is no right

or wrong answer and different therapists can see the same patient and come up

with different diagnosis. It just depends on our own style of diagnosing and

what we feel is the presenting problem. Now, here's the thing, why doesn't the

DSM IV have a diagnosis for someone who just has an issue or concern and

wants to talk to someone about how to best deal with the situation? A

non-mental

illness diagnosis. Just something to indicate that this person does not have

a mental illness but just has a difficult time with handling an issue, which

is not uncommon in life. Maybe a diagnosis like that needs to be developed and

added to the DSM IV.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Uh Gab,

How long have you been interested in mental health

issues?

Connie

[Guest guest]

Well, here's the bottom line. People do sometimes have a difficult

time dealing with situations that they face in life. Not everyone has good

coping skills. So, as a therapist, I hope to help people develop positive ways

to

deal with whatever they may face in life. That's all I'm trying to do,

nothing else.

Gab

[Guest guest]

I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing people, who

are not

there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but would like to

know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

Gab

[Guest guest]

I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing people, who

are not

there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but would like to

know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

Gab

[Guest guest]

I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing people, who

are not

there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but would like to

know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

Gab

[Guest guest]

I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing people, who

are not

there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but would like to

know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Stella.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Stella.

Gab

[Guest guest]

Yeah, maybe that diagnosis could be added to the DSM and you could even

invent others to add.

Then all you have to do is get the psychiatrists together to vote on it!

How's that sound? Just make sure that any diagnosis you come up with can be

" cured " by drugs. That way you'll be sure to get it into the DSM.

Here's a tip for you:

Dump your psych " education " . It's worthless.

Re: I Finally Figured It Out!!

> Ken,

>

> Thank you for the link to the web site. I read a little from it and

> will read it in detail later today. I can tell you this much, what they

say on

> the web site is true! This is how we were taught to diagnose in school.

We

> had a two day seminar on the DSM IV. We were given different scenarios on

> paper and were told to diagnose the patient. We teamed up with someone

and came

> up with a diagnosis from the DSM. When we reviewed our diagnosis in

class, we

> all came up with a different diagnosis. We were told that there is no

right

> or wrong answer and different therapists can see the same patient and come

up

> with different diagnosis. It just depends on our own style of diagnosing

and

> what we feel is the presenting problem. Now, here's the thing, why

doesn't the

> DSM IV have a diagnosis for someone who just has an issue or concern and

> wants to talk to someone about how to best deal with the situation? A

non-mental

> illness diagnosis. Just something to indicate that this person does not

have

> a mental illness but just has a difficult time with handling an issue,

which

> is not uncommon in life. Maybe a diagnosis like that needs to be

developed and

> added to the DSM IV.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gab.

there is no such thing as a " mental illness[MI]} " . MI is a fiction. you have

bought into a fictional world. Psychiatry/MH its a whole Delusional World

which works for those work in the field. It has generated and secured jobs

and very good money for millions of folks . i can see why you would not want to

see the delusion as a Delusion.

The DSM has always been full of made-up " mental illness " .

True medical illness have verifiable and reliable scientific studies to back

up the diagnosis. The DSM diagnoses do not.

Have you read a work on the subject of DSM?, " Making Us Crazy " is one.

She has been on the DSM writing comittee.

a Kaplan is trying to get Congressional hearings on the DSM.

-pam

Gabdud@... wrote:

Ken,

Thank you for the link to the web site. I read a little from it and

will read it in detail later today. I can tell you this much, what they say on

the web site is true! This is how we were taught to diagnose in school. We

had a two day seminar on the DSM IV. We were given different scenarios on

paper and were told to diagnose the patient. We teamed up with someone and came

up with a diagnosis from the DSM. When we reviewed our diagnosis in class, we

all came up with a different diagnosis. We were told that there is no right

or wrong answer and different therapists can see the same patient and come up

with different diagnosis. It just depends on our own style of diagnosing and

what we feel is the presenting problem. Now, here's the thing, why doesn't the

DSM IV have a diagnosis for someone who just has an issue or concern and

wants to talk to someone about how to best deal with the situation? A

non-mental

illness diagnosis. Just something to indicate that this person does not have

a mental illness but just has a difficult time with handling an issue, which

is not uncommon in life. Maybe a diagnosis like that needs to be developed and

added to the DSM IV.

Gab

[Guest guest]

I would recommend this book

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201441926/103-9611822-0010269?v=glance & n=28315\

5 & s=books & v=glance

I took his class this summer.... he is a real neat guy and is book is very

informative

Stella

Re: I Finally Figured It Out!!

Well, here's the bottom line. People do sometimes have a difficult

time dealing with situations that they face in life. Not everyone has good

coping skills. So, as a therapist, I hope to help people develop positive

ways to

deal with whatever they may face in life. That's all I'm trying to do,

nothing else.

Gab

[Guest guest]

And that is an honorable thing to do, helping people deal with life.

But not having the skills to deal with life does not make one " ill " .

However, having a malfunctioning brain is having a disorder of some

sort be it brain damage, genetic or a reaction to a toxin (including

presciption medications). Neither condition warrants throwing some

SSRI with unknown pharmacology at it like confetti at a parade.

>

> Well, here's the bottom line. People do sometimes have a

difficult

> time dealing with situations that they face in life. Not everyone

has good

> coping skills. So, as a therapist, I hope to help people develop

positive ways to

> deal with whatever they may face in life. That's all I'm trying to

do,

> nothing else.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And that is an honorable thing to do, helping people deal with life.

But not having the skills to deal with life does not make one " ill " .

However, having a malfunctioning brain is having a disorder of some

sort be it brain damage, genetic or a reaction to a toxin (including

presciption medications). Neither condition warrants throwing some

SSRI with unknown pharmacology at it like confetti at a parade.

>

> Well, here's the bottom line. People do sometimes have a

difficult

> time dealing with situations that they face in life. Not everyone

has good

> coping skills. So, as a therapist, I hope to help people develop

positive ways to

> deal with whatever they may face in life. That's all I'm trying to

do,

> nothing else.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The senses are controlled by the temporal lobe of the brain. People

who see, hear, smell, taste things that aren't there are having a

malfunction of the temporal lobe.

>

> I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

> schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing

people, who are not

> there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but

would like to

> know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The senses are controlled by the temporal lobe of the brain. People

who see, hear, smell, taste things that aren't there are having a

malfunction of the temporal lobe.

>

> I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

> schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing

people, who are not

> there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but

would like to

> know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The senses are controlled by the temporal lobe of the brain. People

who see, hear, smell, taste things that aren't there are having a

malfunction of the temporal lobe.

>

> I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

> schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing

people, who are not

> there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but

would like to

> know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The senses are controlled by the temporal lobe of the brain. People

who see, hear, smell, taste things that aren't there are having a

malfunction of the temporal lobe.

>

> I agree Sara. However, I'm still trying to figure out where

> schizophrenia comes from and how people exhibiting signs of seeing

people, who are not

> there, can be helped. I'm not saying drugs are the answer, but

would like to

> know what the answer is. I'm confused on this one.

>

> Gab

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not surprised to hear that, Connie. I'm finding out that there is

a lot of ugliness in life in general.

Gab