Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Rick, This is a great editorial. I wonder who owns the paper. Usually you follow the money you find the connections. In Texas we killed three parity bills in one action. There was this funny woman from the Texas Small Business Alliance Springer that went to a legislative public testimony and pulled out " disorders " in the DSM IV and had the place rolling in the aisles. The insurance lobby was there and man where they taking notes. Insurance companies are a good friends when it comes to mental health parity. I watched them, they were amazed that just reading from the DSM killed the bills. This woman pointed out that all of the disorders in the DSM would be covered. She said she would love to give her employees insurance but that she cannot afford it for them. She argued that mental health parity would actually hurt the insurance industry because it would increase the price of insurance and therefore more people and companies could not afford it and we would have more uninsured and less insurance sold. I'm not kidding when I say she killed the bills with one testimony. I personally think everyone should watch and study what she did as it was so amazingly effective. I have the link, you will need realplayer, there is a free version on their website, they hide it but it's there. http://www.house.state.tx.us/fx/av/committee78/30407e22.ram once it starts slide it forward to 1:10:10, Ms. Springer is wearing a red blouse. Jim Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and Sterling. The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the paper: rogeroglesby@.... Be sure to cc Reader Representative Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@.... -Rick The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity Hoeller, Editor Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain without health care insurance. It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or one-third more than the original estimate. But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are precisely NOT like other illnesses. The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such mental illness. People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat them against their will, no other doctors do this. And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their medications. Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at the thought that you are now going to die. The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is morally bankrupt at best. But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have been promising from time immemorial. Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the House and is now in the Senate. 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 I had heard this account from somebody else and now that I have watched the video it doesn't appear to be as funny as mentioned but does look like it was effective in preventing the DSM from being written into law. Jim Rick, This is a great editorial. I wonder who owns the paper. Usually you follow the money you find the connections. In Texas we killed three parity bills in one action. There was this funny woman from the Texas Small Business Alliance Springer that went to a legislative public testimony and pulled out " disorders " in the DSM IV and had the place rolling in the aisles. The insurance lobby was there and man where they taking notes. Insurance companies are a good friends when it comes to mental health parity. I watched them, they were amazed that just reading from the DSM killed the bills. This woman pointed out that all of the disorders in the DSM would be covered. She said she would love to give her employees insurance but that she cannot afford it for them. She argued that mental health parity would actually hurt the insurance industry because it would increase the price of insurance and therefore more people and companies could not afford it and we would have more uninsured and less insurance sold. I'm not kidding when I say she killed the bills with one testimony. I personally think everyone should watch and study what she did as it was so amazingly effective. I have the link, you will need realplayer, there is a free version on their website, they hide it but it's there. http://www.house.state.tx.us/fx/av/committee78/30407e22.ram once it starts slide it forward to 1:10:10, Ms. Springer is wearing a red blouse. Jim Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and Sterling. The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the paper: rogeroglesby@.... Be sure to cc Reader Representative Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@.... -Rick The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity Hoeller, Editor Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain without health care insurance. It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or one-third more than the original estimate. But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are precisely NOT like other illnesses. The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such mental illness. People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat them against their will, no other doctors do this. And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their medications. Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at the thought that you are now going to die. The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is morally bankrupt at best. But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have been promising from time immemorial. Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the House and is now in the Senate. 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Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Thanks for think Jim. I'll take a look at it and post it to my blog site. I've been meaning to do something just like what you said this woman did. The DSM is simply not a legitimate diagnostic manual. I believe that the Washington state parity legislation would exclude a few diagnoses, but that would make the other 600 or near diagnoses in the DSM fair game for the mental health industry to exploit. -Rick > I had heard this account from somebody else and now that I have watched the video > it doesn't appear to be as funny as mentioned but does look like it was effective > in preventing the DSM from being written into law. > > Jim > > > Rick, This is a great editorial. I wonder who owns the paper. Usually you follow the > money you find the connections. > > In Texas we killed three parity bills in one action. There was this funny woman from > the Texas Small Business Alliance Springer that went to a legislative public testimony and > pulled out " disorders " in the DSM IV and had the place rolling in the aisles. The insurance lobby > was there and man where they taking notes. Insurance companies are a good friends > when it comes to mental health parity. I watched them, they were amazed that just reading > from the DSM killed the bills. > > This woman pointed out that all of the disorders in the DSM would be covered. She said she > would love to give her employees insurance but that she cannot afford it for them. > > She argued that mental health parity would actually hurt the insurance industry because > it would increase the price of insurance and therefore more people and companies > could not afford it and we would have more uninsured and less insurance sold. > > I'm not kidding when I say she killed the bills with one testimony. I personally think > everyone should watch and study what she did as it was so amazingly effective. > > I have the link, you will need realplayer, there is a free version on their website, they hide it but > it's there. > > http://www.house.state.tx.us/fx/av/committee78/30407e22.ram > > once it starts slide it forward to 1:10:10, Ms. Springer is wearing a red blouse. > > Jim > Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Thanks for think Jim. I'll take a look at it and post it to my blog site. I've been meaning to do something just like what you said this woman did. The DSM is simply not a legitimate diagnostic manual. I believe that the Washington state parity legislation would exclude a few diagnoses, but that would make the other 600 or near diagnoses in the DSM fair game for the mental health industry to exploit. -Rick > I had heard this account from somebody else and now that I have watched the video > it doesn't appear to be as funny as mentioned but does look like it was effective > in preventing the DSM from being written into law. > > Jim > > > Rick, This is a great editorial. I wonder who owns the paper. Usually you follow the > money you find the connections. > > In Texas we killed three parity bills in one action. There was this funny woman from > the Texas Small Business Alliance Springer that went to a legislative public testimony and > pulled out " disorders " in the DSM IV and had the place rolling in the aisles. The insurance lobby > was there and man where they taking notes. Insurance companies are a good friends > when it comes to mental health parity. I watched them, they were amazed that just reading > from the DSM killed the bills. > > This woman pointed out that all of the disorders in the DSM would be covered. She said she > would love to give her employees insurance but that she cannot afford it for them. > > She argued that mental health parity would actually hurt the insurance industry because > it would increase the price of insurance and therefore more people and companies > could not afford it and we would have more uninsured and less insurance sold. > > I'm not kidding when I say she killed the bills with one testimony. I personally think > everyone should watch and study what she did as it was so amazingly effective. > > I have the link, you will need realplayer, there is a free version on their website, they hide it but > it's there. > > http://www.house.state.tx.us/fx/av/committee78/30407e22.ram > > once it starts slide it forward to 1:10:10, Ms. Springer is wearing a red blouse. > > Jim > Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Thanks for think Jim. I'll take a look at it and post it to my blog site. I've been meaning to do something just like what you said this woman did. The DSM is simply not a legitimate diagnostic manual. I believe that the Washington state parity legislation would exclude a few diagnoses, but that would make the other 600 or near diagnoses in the DSM fair game for the mental health industry to exploit. -Rick > I had heard this account from somebody else and now that I have watched the video > it doesn't appear to be as funny as mentioned but does look like it was effective > in preventing the DSM from being written into law. > > Jim > > > Rick, This is a great editorial. I wonder who owns the paper. Usually you follow the > money you find the connections. > > In Texas we killed three parity bills in one action. There was this funny woman from > the Texas Small Business Alliance Springer that went to a legislative public testimony and > pulled out " disorders " in the DSM IV and had the place rolling in the aisles. The insurance lobby > was there and man where they taking notes. Insurance companies are a good friends > when it comes to mental health parity. I watched them, they were amazed that just reading > from the DSM killed the bills. > > This woman pointed out that all of the disorders in the DSM would be covered. She said she > would love to give her employees insurance but that she cannot afford it for them. > > She argued that mental health parity would actually hurt the insurance industry because > it would increase the price of insurance and therefore more people and companies > could not afford it and we would have more uninsured and less insurance sold. > > I'm not kidding when I say she killed the bills with one testimony. I personally think > everyone should watch and study what she did as it was so amazingly effective. > > I have the link, you will need realplayer, there is a free version on their website, they hide it but > it's there. > > http://www.house.state.tx.us/fx/av/committee78/30407e22.ram > > once it starts slide it forward to 1:10:10, Ms. Springer is wearing a red blouse. > > Jim > Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Thanks for think Jim. I'll take a look at it and post it to my blog site. I've been meaning to do something just like what you said this woman did. The DSM is simply not a legitimate diagnostic manual. I believe that the Washington state parity legislation would exclude a few diagnoses, but that would make the other 600 or near diagnoses in the DSM fair game for the mental health industry to exploit. -Rick > I had heard this account from somebody else and now that I have watched the video > it doesn't appear to be as funny as mentioned but does look like it was effective > in preventing the DSM from being written into law. > > Jim > > > Rick, This is a great editorial. I wonder who owns the paper. Usually you follow the > money you find the connections. > > In Texas we killed three parity bills in one action. There was this funny woman from > the Texas Small Business Alliance Springer that went to a legislative public testimony and > pulled out " disorders " in the DSM IV and had the place rolling in the aisles. The insurance lobby > was there and man where they taking notes. Insurance companies are a good friends > when it comes to mental health parity. I watched them, they were amazed that just reading > from the DSM killed the bills. > > This woman pointed out that all of the disorders in the DSM would be covered. She said she > would love to give her employees insurance but that she cannot afford it for them. > > She argued that mental health parity would actually hurt the insurance industry because > it would increase the price of insurance and therefore more people and companies > could not afford it and we would have more uninsured and less insurance sold. > > I'm not kidding when I say she killed the bills with one testimony. I personally think > everyone should watch and study what she did as it was so amazingly effective. > > I have the link, you will need realplayer, there is a free version on their website, they hide it but > it's there. > > http://www.house.state.tx.us/fx/av/committee78/30407e22.ram > > once it starts slide it forward to 1:10:10, Ms. Springer is wearing a red blouse. > > Jim > Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Rick, Yes after reviewing the video again it appears that just by showing the DSM as it is Ms. Springer was able to show that as you say, the DSM is not a legitimate manual. Jim Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Rick, Yes after reviewing the video again it appears that just by showing the DSM as it is Ms. Springer was able to show that as you say, the DSM is not a legitimate manual. Jim Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Rick, Yes after reviewing the video again it appears that just by showing the DSM as it is Ms. Springer was able to show that as you say, the DSM is not a legitimate manual. Jim Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Rick, Yes after reviewing the video again it appears that just by showing the DSM as it is Ms. Springer was able to show that as you say, the DSM is not a legitimate manual. Jim Censorship Of Views Critical Of Mental Health At Seattle P-I Alleged > > > Below is an editorial written by Seattle area psychology instructor > Hoeller opposing the mental health parity legislation now before > the Washington State Legislature. The editorial has been rejected for > publication by on the editorial page of the Seattle > Post-Intelligencer. Hoeller says he has been permanently banned from > publishing op-eds in the P-I. He says he was told this by the reader > representative at the P-I, Glenn Drosendahl. Hoeller believes the P-I > is in part buckling under pressure from the local branch of the > pharmaceutical funded parents organization NAMI and that the paper is > expressing its own pro-mental health editorial bias. Hoeller alleges > that the pressure campaign by NAMI to ban him from the editorial page > of the P-I came after he published an op-ed about Support Coalition > International's hunger strike back in August. This op-ed was rebutted > a few days latter by of NAMI and psychiatrist Ron Sterling. > Hoeller says the P-I has refused to publish his rebuttal of and > Sterling. > > The P-I's editorial bias on mental health parity has been expressed in > a February 3 P-I editorial in favor the mental health parity > legislation: " Bill would help mental health care " . What Hoeller > alleges he was told over the phone by Drosendahl and not in writing. I > will be calling and e-mailing the P-I to get a response from them on > this before I write a more lengthy piece and try to get it published > by this weekend. In the meantime, read Hoeller's rejected op-ed on the > mental health parity legislation below. Also, join me in asking P-I > Publisher Oglesby if in fact Hoeller's views are banned from his > paper, while views in line with the American Psychiatric Association > and NAMI are the official and unchallenged editorial position of the > paper: rogeroglesby@s... Be sure to cc Reader Representative > Glenn Rosendahl: glenndrosendahl@s... -Rick > > > The Bankruptcy Of Mental Health Insurance Parity > > Hoeller, Editor > Review of Existential Psychology & Psychiatry (Seattle, WA) > > The symptoms of our health insurance crisis are visible to everyone. > Health insurance costs have been increasing at rates into the > double-digits; employers have been shifting more of the insurance > costs onto employees and eliminating health insurance entirely for > retirees; private health insurance is unaffordable to individuals; > states have been decreasing Medicaid benefits, as well as limiting > health coverage for the poor; and 44 million Americans still remain > without health care insurance. > > It is hard to imagine how politicians could make this situation worse. > But they already have done so with the new Medicare prescription bill. > While this bill will provide only paltry drug coverage for most > seniors, it will guarantee megabillions for the drug companies, since > it forbids the government from negotiating lower volume prices. And > the cost, estimated only last Fall at $400 billion over 10 years, has > already been recalculated as reaching at least $550 billion, or > one-third more than the original estimate. > > But there is another idea on the political horizon that will surely > damage our health insurance crisis even more than this costly Medicare > prescription bill: mental health insurance parity. Mental health > providers and lay groups, including many who receive financial support > from the drug companies, have been pushing to have government mandate > equal health insurance for diagnosis and treatment of mental illness. > > Their argument goes like this: Since mental illnesses are real > illnesses " just like any other, " their treatment should be covered by > health insurance just as much as other physical diseases. > > But there are two significant ways in which mental illnesses are > precisely NOT like other illnesses. > > The first is that mental illnesses are not illnesses at all. Mental > health supporters have yet to produce a scintilla of scientific > evidence that ANY mental illness is in fact biologically caused. > Psychiatrists have not in fact conclusively proven that any mental > illness is in fact a chemical imbalance of the brain (the latest in a > long line of psychiatric theories). Not surprisingly, psychiatrists > have also not produced a single physical test that can detect any such > mental illness. > > People who have been diagnosed with a mental illness have either not > been physically tested or their physical tests have shown they are in > fact healthy according to every bodily test known to modern medicine. > > The second problem is that psychiatrists are the only medical doctors > whose practice rests on the use of force on unwilling " patients. " > While psychiatrists regularly hospitalize mental patients and treat > them against their will, no other doctors do this. > > And the use of force in psychiatry has been increasing, not > decreasing. More people are involuntarily committed now than 50 years > ago, and many released patients are forced to take psychiatric drugs > for years on end. Our own King County Mental Health Court routinely > issues orders that force released citizens to take medications or risk > losing their freedom. Indeed, our own civil commitment laws were > expanded in the 1990s beyond simply " dangerous to self and others, " to > allow for the re-hospitalization of ex-patients who stop taking their > medications. > > Mental health supporters argue that mandating mental health coverage > will result in little increase in insurance costs. Such an argument > boggles the mind when you realize that they are mandating that > insurance pay for billions of dollars of treatments they do not now > cover. Either insurers will have to increase fees, or else they will > have to cut coverage for regular physical diseases. > > We may end up with health insurance that will not pay for the > chemotherapy that might cure your terminal cancer, but it will pay for > the antidepressants which they claim will alleviate your depression at > the thought that you are now going to die. > > The idea that health insurance should pay for involuntary treatment is > morally bankrupt at best. > > But putting into practice the idea that you can get mental health > coverage without any increase in insurance is a modern version of the > " you can get something for nothing " mentality that politicians have > been promising from time immemorial. > > Our own state's mental health insurance parity bill has passed the > House and is now in the Senate. Passage of this bill is sure to > bankrupt our health care system and erode the civil rights of every > Washington state resident > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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