RE: Focus on the whole picture of SSRI's

[Guest guest]

Dear Milorad,

Understand that the SSRI medication has hurt many people and that there are

always

other ways to get better. No one has the only solution. Since these drugs have

hurt people.The drug companies do lie about the research. and the FDA does

prevent their own doctor from showing he's reseach findings. It smells bad.

Being very depressed is no fun and we would all like a solution that would help.

But I feel the

public was tricked.

Also I know many people on this group that were harmed by these drugs when they

did need them.

It is a hard thing to talk about.

Best,

Jim

Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

While I am very pleased to see the suicide issue getting publicity,

the current focus being on that one issue alone may reduce the impact

of the whole picture regarding SSRI's

As I see it, to achieve real change we need to keep raising awareness

of all the defficencies of SSRI's, there prescription and marketing

1) Doctors increasely and regularly prescribe SSRI's-with limited

consultation time-without any physican tests-without highlighting

side effects-without adequate follow up- off label

2)When a person fails to respond or has side effects the usual Dr's

response is to raise the dose, and deny that side effects exsist

3)Doctors appear largely dependant on drug manufacturer alone for

their information on drug effectiveness -side effects etc.

4)Drug companies market these drugs aggressively and in my opinion

dishonestly, as witnessed by the statagies of -free samples - gifts

to doctors - consultancy fees - ghost written articles proporting to

be clinical infomation when it is advertising

5)Our regulators' (FDA,Medsafe etc) relationship with drug

manufacturers is, at least, questionable. In the case of SSRI's drugs

which at " best " are moderately effective- have serious side effects-

cause shocking withdrawal problems etc. They somehow become " wonder

drugs " when the reach the public. In theory they cure anything from a

headache to PMS to depression in all patients with no ill effects. If

that is our regulation system in action, I have trouble working out

how you could do a worse job.

I will continue to try and raise awareness here in New Zealand, where

Medsafe (our drug regulatory organisation) has taken a " heads in the

sand " stance.

[Guest guest]

Dear Milorad,

Understand that the SSRI medication has hurt many people and that there are

always

other ways to get better. No one has the only solution. Since these drugs have

hurt people.The drug companies do lie about the research. and the FDA does

prevent their own doctor from showing he's reseach findings. It smells bad.

Being very depressed is no fun and we would all like a solution that would help.

But I feel the

public was tricked.

Also I know many people on this group that were harmed by these drugs when they

did need them.

It is a hard thing to talk about.

Best,

Jim

Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

While I am very pleased to see the suicide issue getting publicity,

the current focus being on that one issue alone may reduce the impact

of the whole picture regarding SSRI's

As I see it, to achieve real change we need to keep raising awareness

of all the defficencies of SSRI's, there prescription and marketing

1) Doctors increasely and regularly prescribe SSRI's-with limited

consultation time-without any physican tests-without highlighting

side effects-without adequate follow up- off label

2)When a person fails to respond or has side effects the usual Dr's

response is to raise the dose, and deny that side effects exsist

3)Doctors appear largely dependant on drug manufacturer alone for

their information on drug effectiveness -side effects etc.

4)Drug companies market these drugs aggressively and in my opinion

dishonestly, as witnessed by the statagies of -free samples - gifts

to doctors - consultancy fees - ghost written articles proporting to

be clinical infomation when it is advertising

5)Our regulators' (FDA,Medsafe etc) relationship with drug

manufacturers is, at least, questionable. In the case of SSRI's drugs

which at " best " are moderately effective- have serious side effects-

cause shocking withdrawal problems etc. They somehow become " wonder

drugs " when the reach the public. In theory they cure anything from a

headache to PMS to depression in all patients with no ill effects. If

that is our regulation system in action, I have trouble working out

how you could do a worse job.

I will continue to try and raise awareness here in New Zealand, where

Medsafe (our drug regulatory organisation) has taken a " heads in the

sand " stance.

[Guest guest]

You really make me nervouse. All of you, who blame the SSRI medication. My

english is bad so I can't to say all I want.

We don't need them and, because that, you haven't right to judgement them.

Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

While I am very pleased to see the suicide issue getting publicity,

the current focus being on that one issue alone may reduce the impact

of the whole picture regarding SSRI's

As I see it, to achieve real change we need to keep raising awareness

of all the defficencies of SSRI's, there prescription and marketing

1) Doctors increasely and regularly prescribe SSRI's-with limited

consultation time-without any physican tests-without highlighting

side effects-without adequate follow up- off label

2)When a person fails to respond or has side effects the usual Dr's

response is to raise the dose, and deny that side effects exsist

3)Doctors appear largely dependant on drug manufacturer alone for

their information on drug effectiveness -side effects etc.

4)Drug companies market these drugs aggressively and in my opinion

dishonestly, as witnessed by the statagies of -free samples - gifts

to doctors - consultancy fees - ghost written articles proporting to

be clinical infomation when it is advertising

5)Our regulators' (FDA,Medsafe etc) relationship with drug

manufacturers is, at least, questionable. In the case of SSRI's drugs

which at " best " are moderately effective- have serious side effects-

cause shocking withdrawal problems etc. They somehow become " wonder

drugs " when the reach the public. In theory they cure anything from a

headache to PMS to depression in all patients with no ill effects. If

that is our regulation system in action, I have trouble working out

how you could do a worse job.

I will continue to try and raise awareness here in New Zealand, where

Medsafe (our drug regulatory organisation) has taken a " heads in the

sand " stance.

[Guest guest]

OK. but in my example this medication are so successful. I takking Prozac

(fluoxetine), and before him, I tried (little successful) seroxat and paxil.

I takking him for OCD, not for depresion.

You must give the chance people who are sick. They must make decision, not

you.

I think that for that devil sick (ocd) the medication can help pretty much.

Especially in beginning stadium.

And, off course, only medication isn't enough.

I affraid that many people never confess that they are responsible for their

condition and because that, they guilti span on medication.

Best regards

Re: Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

Dear Milorad,

Understand that the SSRI medication has hurt many people and that there are

always

other ways to get better. No one has the only solution. Since these drugs

have hurt people.The drug companies do lie about the research. and the FDA

does prevent their own doctor from showing he's reseach findings. It smells

bad.

Being very depressed is no fun and we would all like a solution that would

help. But I feel the

public was tricked.

Also I know many people on this group that were harmed by these drugs when

they did need them.

It is a hard thing to talk about.

Best,

Jim

[Guest guest]

OK. but in my example this medication are so successful. I takking Prozac

(fluoxetine), and before him, I tried (little successful) seroxat and paxil.

I takking him for OCD, not for depresion.

You must give the chance people who are sick. They must make decision, not

you.

I think that for that devil sick (ocd) the medication can help pretty much.

Especially in beginning stadium.

And, off course, only medication isn't enough.

I affraid that many people never confess that they are responsible for their

condition and because that, they guilti span on medication.

Best regards

Re: Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

Dear Milorad,

Understand that the SSRI medication has hurt many people and that there are

always

other ways to get better. No one has the only solution. Since these drugs

have hurt people.The drug companies do lie about the research. and the FDA

does prevent their own doctor from showing he's reseach findings. It smells

bad.

Being very depressed is no fun and we would all like a solution that would

help. But I feel the

public was tricked.

Also I know many people on this group that were harmed by these drugs when

they did need them.

It is a hard thing to talk about.

Best,

Jim

[Guest guest]

Milorad,

Thank you for talking with me. You are correct that it is for everyone to make

their

own choice. Some of these people on the group might need to take more

responsibility

for thier lives and the drugs.

I like this group and all their yelling. We have learned many things in the last

few months.

The drug companies (GSK in England) lied about the side effects and did not

publish studies that showed

the bad reactions of the drugs. If one company did it, I bet they all do.

The drugs are worse for a person than the placebo in unpublished studies funded

by the drug companies.

The drug companies have never promoted tests for allergies, thyroid troubles,

heavy metal poisoning etc. that

can cause depression and other psychiatric disorders.

There is always a real problem with the body for someone to be depressed. These

drugs fix the symptom but

not the real reasons that people hurt. There is no proof that the drugs work

like the drug companies say.

The drugs do make most people feel better, but some people react so badly on the

drugs they kill themselves.

People who kill themselves on these drugs are called " depressed " and so the

drugs were never blamed.

If you are in the USA, go to www.alternativementalhealth.com and find a real

doctor to find out what is really

going on so you don't have to have a " life-long illness " .

Best,

Jim

Re: Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

Dear Milorad,

Understand that the SSRI medication has hurt many people and that there are

always

other ways to get better. No one has the only solution. Since these drugs

have hurt people.The drug companies do lie about the research. and the FDA

does prevent their own doctor from showing he's reseach findings. It smells

bad.

Being very depressed is no fun and we would all like a solution that would

help. But I feel the

public was tricked.

Also I know many people on this group that were harmed by these drugs when

they did need them.

It is a hard thing to talk about.

Best,

Jim

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[Guest guest]

Milorad,

Thank you for talking with me. You are correct that it is for everyone to make

their

own choice. Some of these people on the group might need to take more

responsibility

for thier lives and the drugs.

I like this group and all their yelling. We have learned many things in the last

few months.

The drug companies (GSK in England) lied about the side effects and did not

publish studies that showed

the bad reactions of the drugs. If one company did it, I bet they all do.

The drugs are worse for a person than the placebo in unpublished studies funded

by the drug companies.

The drug companies have never promoted tests for allergies, thyroid troubles,

heavy metal poisoning etc. that

can cause depression and other psychiatric disorders.

There is always a real problem with the body for someone to be depressed. These

drugs fix the symptom but

not the real reasons that people hurt. There is no proof that the drugs work

like the drug companies say.

The drugs do make most people feel better, but some people react so badly on the

drugs they kill themselves.

People who kill themselves on these drugs are called " depressed " and so the

drugs were never blamed.

If you are in the USA, go to www.alternativementalhealth.com and find a real

doctor to find out what is really

going on so you don't have to have a " life-long illness " .

Best,

Jim

Re: Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

Dear Milorad,

Understand that the SSRI medication has hurt many people and that there are

always

other ways to get better. No one has the only solution. Since these drugs

have hurt people.The drug companies do lie about the research. and the FDA

does prevent their own doctor from showing he's reseach findings. It smells

bad.

Being very depressed is no fun and we would all like a solution that would

help. But I feel the

public was tricked.

Also I know many people on this group that were harmed by these drugs when

they did need them.

It is a hard thing to talk about.

Best,

Jim

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[Guest guest]

People must make INFORMED decisions about taking medication. The

potential side effects must be known so that the doctor, the patient

and the people close to the patient will be able to identify problems

if and when they appear. As it is, most doctors cannot identify a bad

reaction to these medications. Also the potential for becoming

habituated must be discussed before the patient starts the medication.

As it is, most people are simply told that these medications are

" safe and effective " . That may be true for some people but it is very

much NOT true for too many others.

>

>

> OK. but in my example this medication are so successful. I takking

Prozac

> (fluoxetine), and before him, I tried (little successful) seroxat

and paxil.

> I takking him for OCD, not for depresion.

> You must give the chance people who are sick. They must make

decision, not

> you.

> I think that for that devil sick (ocd) the medication can help

pretty much.

> Especially in beginning stadium.

> And, off course, only medication isn't enough.

> I affraid that many people never confess that they are responsible

for their

> condition and because that, they guilti span on medication.

>

> Best regards

[Guest guest]

Hello people

In last few days I had lot of business-job to do and haven't time to read

e-mail.

In my case, the work's is the best things for lightening OCD simptoms.

I understand you and your's reason, BUT you MUST hear and other side.

Positive side.

The doctor's lightly prescribing SSR'I medication and that's are wrong. More

then wrong.

I really think that.

But in cases when the diagnose is good and precise, the SSR'I medication can

make big progress.

The risk exist but, I affraid, persons with hard

OCD simptoms especially, doesn't have other way to get down OCD.

But for people, who have depresion diagnosed, I think

that's medication (not only SSR'I) are the last option. Last, last option.

Best regard's

Milorad

Re: Focus on the " whole picture " of SSRI's

Milorad,

Thank you for talking with me. You are correct that it is for everyone to

make their

own choice. Some of these people on the group might need to take more

responsibility

for thier lives and the drugs.

I like this group and all their yelling. We have learned many things in the

last few months.

The drug companies (GSK in England) lied about the side effects and did not

publish studies that showed

the bad reactions of the drugs. If one company did it, I bet they all do.

The drugs are worse for a person than the placebo in unpublished studies

funded by the drug companies.

The drug companies have never promoted tests for allergies, thyroid

troubles, heavy metal poisoning etc. that

can cause depression and other psychiatric disorders.

There is always a real problem with the body for someone to be depressed.

These drugs fix the symptom but

not the real reasons that people hurt. There is no proof that the drugs work

like the drug companies say.

The drugs do make most people feel better, but some people react so badly on

the drugs they kill themselves.

People who kill themselves on these drugs are called " depressed " and so the

drugs were never blamed.

If you are in the USA, go to www.alternativementalhealth.com and find a real

doctor to find out what is really

going on so you don't have to have a " life-long illness " .

Best,

Jim