Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 i can't say what you should do, but for myself: i never did a biopsy. VA wanted to, but i stalled. later found that they can be totally misleading, even when several samples are taken during the same procedure... it seems fibrosis isn't always evenly distributed. read from two different people who had biopsies before surgery (gall bladder i think it was for both)... one, severl procedures over a few weeks, and the other 3 samples the same session within days before surgery... and both turned out to have very advanced fibrosis/cirrhosis when opened up and viewed. so, while on average biopsy might be a good indicator it can sometimes be totally misleading... hit or miss. there's always the possibility that the needle hits cancer and cancer cells can in the process escape into the system and metastasize leading to big trouble. slim but possible. it happens with prostate biopsies not all that infrequently where cancers are common in older guys but if left alone can take forever to grow if they're not an agressive type which is more rare. there are other options for checking the condition of the liver coming into use that are non-invasive and pretty accurate. i'd only have a biopsy if for some reason i was going to do tx and it was a mandatory part of it (VA: beggars can't be choosers, our way or the highway) and an alternative like sonogram isn't available. i've had hep since probably early 70's AFAIK. > RE: ache and muscle pains > > bob,did you do biopsy? how long have you had hep and if im > not doing treatment should i still do a biopsy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 i can't say what you should do, but for myself: i never did a biopsy. VA wanted to, but i stalled. later found that they can be totally misleading, even when several samples are taken during the same procedure... it seems fibrosis isn't always evenly distributed. read from two different people who had biopsies before surgery (gall bladder i think it was for both)... one, severl procedures over a few weeks, and the other 3 samples the same session within days before surgery... and both turned out to have very advanced fibrosis/cirrhosis when opened up and viewed. so, while on average biopsy might be a good indicator it can sometimes be totally misleading... hit or miss. there's always the possibility that the needle hits cancer and cancer cells can in the process escape into the system and metastasize leading to big trouble. slim but possible. it happens with prostate biopsies not all that infrequently where cancers are common in older guys but if left alone can take forever to grow if they're not an agressive type which is more rare. there are other options for checking the condition of the liver coming into use that are non-invasive and pretty accurate. i'd only have a biopsy if for some reason i was going to do tx and it was a mandatory part of it (VA: beggars can't be choosers, our way or the highway) and an alternative like sonogram isn't available. i've had hep since probably early 70's AFAIK. > RE: ache and muscle pains > > bob,did you do biopsy? how long have you had hep and if im > not doing treatment should i still do a biopsy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 i can't say what you should do, but for myself: i never did a biopsy. VA wanted to, but i stalled. later found that they can be totally misleading, even when several samples are taken during the same procedure... it seems fibrosis isn't always evenly distributed. read from two different people who had biopsies before surgery (gall bladder i think it was for both)... one, severl procedures over a few weeks, and the other 3 samples the same session within days before surgery... and both turned out to have very advanced fibrosis/cirrhosis when opened up and viewed. so, while on average biopsy might be a good indicator it can sometimes be totally misleading... hit or miss. there's always the possibility that the needle hits cancer and cancer cells can in the process escape into the system and metastasize leading to big trouble. slim but possible. it happens with prostate biopsies not all that infrequently where cancers are common in older guys but if left alone can take forever to grow if they're not an agressive type which is more rare. there are other options for checking the condition of the liver coming into use that are non-invasive and pretty accurate. i'd only have a biopsy if for some reason i was going to do tx and it was a mandatory part of it (VA: beggars can't be choosers, our way or the highway) and an alternative like sonogram isn't available. i've had hep since probably early 70's AFAIK. > RE: ache and muscle pains > > bob,did you do biopsy? how long have you had hep and if im > not doing treatment should i still do a biopsy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 i can't say what you should do, but for myself: i never did a biopsy. VA wanted to, but i stalled. later found that they can be totally misleading, even when several samples are taken during the same procedure... it seems fibrosis isn't always evenly distributed. read from two different people who had biopsies before surgery (gall bladder i think it was for both)... one, severl procedures over a few weeks, and the other 3 samples the same session within days before surgery... and both turned out to have very advanced fibrosis/cirrhosis when opened up and viewed. so, while on average biopsy might be a good indicator it can sometimes be totally misleading... hit or miss. there's always the possibility that the needle hits cancer and cancer cells can in the process escape into the system and metastasize leading to big trouble. slim but possible. it happens with prostate biopsies not all that infrequently where cancers are common in older guys but if left alone can take forever to grow if they're not an agressive type which is more rare. there are other options for checking the condition of the liver coming into use that are non-invasive and pretty accurate. i'd only have a biopsy if for some reason i was going to do tx and it was a mandatory part of it (VA: beggars can't be choosers, our way or the highway) and an alternative like sonogram isn't available. i've had hep since probably early 70's AFAIK. > RE: ache and muscle pains > > bob,did you do biopsy? how long have you had hep and if im > not doing treatment should i still do a biopsy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 lol,i just called the clinic that did my viral load and the nurse insisted that a biopsy is thee only accurate way to see wat the liver is doing im confused,lol   i told her about a fibroscan/blood test and she said its not as accurrate as a biopsy,so i guess it is up to my confused self she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow look about my skin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 lol,i just called the clinic that did my viral load and the nurse insisted that a biopsy is thee only accurate way to see wat the liver is doing im confused,lol   i told her about a fibroscan/blood test and she said its not as accurrate as a biopsy,so i guess it is up to my confused self she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow look about my skin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 lol,i just called the clinic that did my viral load and the nurse insisted that a biopsy is thee only accurate way to see wat the liver is doing im confused,lol   i told her about a fibroscan/blood test and she said its not as accurrate as a biopsy,so i guess it is up to my confused self she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow look about my skin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 lol,i just called the clinic that did my viral load and the nurse insisted that a biopsy is thee only accurate way to see wat the liver is doing im confused,lol   i told her about a fibroscan/blood test and she said its not as accurrate as a biopsy,so i guess it is up to my confused self she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow look about my skin? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 > -----Original Message----- she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if > i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow > look about my skin? ...i would think so, but don't know for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 > -----Original Message----- she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if > i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow > look about my skin? ...i would think so, but don't know for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 > -----Original Message----- she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if > i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow > look about my skin? ...i would think so, but don't know for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 > -----Original Message----- she said,if you have stage 4 wouldnt you want to know,if > i was in stage 4 wouldnt i have many symptoms and a yellow > look about my skin? ...i would think so, but don't know for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 ya i went throught the treat meant  ________________________________ From: Kearney <fkearney95@...> Hepatitis C Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:07:04 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains Dear Deb the treatment dam near killed me (interferon.) but it's your choice.if you have any more questions about interferon or pegintron E-mail me ________________________________ From: deborah brown <heaven_scent_in_55@...> Hepatitis C Cc: heaven_scent_in_55@... Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:48:08 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains hi there frank...  i'm a new hepper myself,i just found out i have it little over a month ago. how long do you think youve had it and did you do treatment? was it successful? i dont believe treatment gets rid of this virus,i think it just drops the viral load so loaw that it appears to be gone.i wont be doing the treatment right now/i dont want to ever do it!!! im still doing my own investigating here. i heard that they were yesting gratefruit juice in 06 but they said it would have to be an injection,not sure watever happen there but im drinking gratefruit juice,huge glass aday on ice,no sugar added!!! try drinking water with lemon to help clean your liver. are you seeing a doctor and wat have they told you so far? wat was your viral load?  you can send mail right to me if youd like  heaven_scent_ in_55 (DOT) com From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 ya i went throught the treat meant  ________________________________ From: Kearney <fkearney95@...> Hepatitis C Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:07:04 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains Dear Deb the treatment dam near killed me (interferon.) but it's your choice.if you have any more questions about interferon or pegintron E-mail me ________________________________ From: deborah brown <heaven_scent_in_55@...> Hepatitis C Cc: heaven_scent_in_55@... Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 7:48:08 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains hi there frank...  i'm a new hepper myself,i just found out i have it little over a month ago. how long do you think youve had it and did you do treatment? was it successful? i dont believe treatment gets rid of this virus,i think it just drops the viral load so loaw that it appears to be gone.i wont be doing the treatment right now/i dont want to ever do it!!! im still doing my own investigating here. i heard that they were yesting gratefruit juice in 06 but they said it would have to be an injection,not sure watever happen there but im drinking gratefruit juice,huge glass aday on ice,no sugar added!!! try drinking water with lemon to help clean your liver. are you seeing a doctor and wat have they told you so far? wat was your viral load?  you can send mail right to me if youd like  heaven_scent_ in_55 (DOT) com From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 no deborah it mad me wors ________________________________ From: deborah brown <heaven_scent_in_55@...> Hepatitis C Cc: heaven_scent_in_55@... Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:58:15 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 no deborah it mad me wors ________________________________ From: deborah brown <heaven_scent_in_55@...> Hepatitis C Cc: heaven_scent_in_55@... Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:58:15 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 deborah if you can call me i will tell you all about the treatmeant i under went 727-565-3799 ________________________________ From: deborah brown <heaven_scent_in_55@...> Hepatitis C Cc: heaven_scent_in_55@... Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:58:15 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 deborah if you can call me i will tell you all about the treatmeant i under went 727-565-3799 ________________________________ From: deborah brown <heaven_scent_in_55@...> Hepatitis C Cc: heaven_scent_in_55@... Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 12:58:15 AM Subject: Re: ache and muscle pains how long did u do treatment? did it work? From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 hey,if you have time on your hands,check out MY YEARBOOK its like myspace,or do you have a myspace? there fun! From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 hey,if you have time on your hands,check out MY YEARBOOK its like myspace,or do you have a myspace? there fun! From: Boggs <boggsjulie43> Subject: ache and muscle pains Hepatitis Csupportgr oupgroups (DOT) com Cc: boggsjulie43 Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:48 PM I wonder what is safe for the ache and pain in the muscle and joins. that won't hurt your liver.I am a smoker of both.of course i need my ciggeretts.I don't understand what is good for you to eat or not. my age is 42yrs.I'm still very new to the group. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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