Re: need help w/ pillow decision

[Guest guest]

I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or physical therapist

should recommend.? My physical therapist told me to sleep on a very flat pillow

and to try to sleep on my back.? Both have been a real challenge!

Best of luck on getting some relief,

Dianne

need help w/ pillow decision

Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

with my PCP.

I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

[Guest guest]

At 10:11 PM 8/21/2008, you wrote:

>Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

>told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

>arthritis.

Welcome to the group . I've had fusion surgery on my neck and

have chronic pain in my neck and scapula area of my right shoulder

among other areas. What works for me is a Bone shaped pillow. One

that is semi-rounded and fatter at the ends than the middle. This

allows me to rest my neck comfortably while it supports it on either

side. Mine is ancient kind of like Linus's blanket from Peanuts. My

Wife constantly threatens to throw it away, but nothing else works as

good for me. I also supplement it with a cold gel ice pack wrapped

it a light towel, generally on my shoulder blade, but sometimes on my

spine or neck. This helps alot. We have 9 in a little dorm fridge

freezer upstairs so I can keep changing the out at night as they warm

up. This is what works for me. Dave, Moderator, PA

[Guest guest]

Hi !

I am pretty new to the group as well. Just joined a couple weeks ago. Welcome! I

have learned a lot in the past few weeks just reading other people's posting.

This group has been wonderful and very informative. I agree with Dianne that

your PT should be the one to recommend the best pillow for you. I too have spent

A LOT of money on pillows over the years and like Dianne, have found a very flat

pillow to be the most comfortable.

 

I have been dealing with neck issues for a little over 3 years now (not nearly

as long as many others in this group). Started out with 2 bulging discs but only

got worse with PT and chiro care. Within a year they were both herniated and I

had surgery. I had the surgery 2 years ago and now I recently found out that I

have another 2 bulging discs above my fusion, degenerative disc disease in my

entire neck, and issues with C1 and C2. So basically my entire neck is messed

up. I am only 30 years old. Unfortunately, I did nothing wrong and could have

done nothing to prevent this. I have a very straight neck. No curvature

what-so-ever so this is inevitable for me..

 

We all have different stories, different issues but one thing in common... PAIN!

 

Good luck with your treatment plan!

 

From: dadams1959@... <dadams1959@...>

Subject: Re: need help w/ pillow decision

neck pain

Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:16 PM

I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or physical therapist

should recommend.? My physical therapist told me to sleep on a very flat pillow

and to try to sleep on my back.? Both have been a real challenge!

Best of luck on getting some relief,

Dianne

[PainInTheNeck- Back] need help w/ pillow decision

Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

back/shoulder/ neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

with my PCP.

I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

[Guest guest]

,

I was at an earlier age when my neck and back started acting up. I am 42 now

with two neck surgeries and a lumbar-sacral. Somewhere over the past few years

I have lost one inch of height, go figure and I am probably facing a few more

spinal surgeries. Are the surgeries better than a chiro doc? I don' really

know except the two professions will do what they can to keep you from the

other. With regards to my pain I have been taking morphine about 10 plus years

now. As far as arthritis goes, one is never to young to have it or get it. If

you ever want to talk further I would be more than happy to lend an ear. Also

one of my problems is numbness while using my hands and fingers abdeven typing

this my hands are numb. Someone please have mercy on me and put me out of my

misery. Just an empty request ppl!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

need help w/ pillow decision

Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

with my PCP.

I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

[Guest guest]

People of this group,

Has it ever occured to you that our docs, therapists and health technicians have

no damn idea what is wrong with us? They really don't knowb so they will start

talking all educated and speaking in a language many of us still do not

understand. Many just pass the buck and keep going. In other words these so

called professionals would rather keeps us ill and in pain so they keep getting

paid for continued and many times unnecessary doctors visits. Damn! I hope I

am making sense, am I?

R

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

need help w/ pillow decision

Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

with my PCP.

I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

[Guest guest]

Hey. i absolutely KNOW for a fact that my medical doctors do not KNOW

or do they understand what i have. I have a severe reverse curve and

THAT causes the problems. i was in the hospital for an odd ball

infection, so while i was there i was telling all the doctors about

my neck and what it does. They said " we dont know how to treat THAT "

they never ran across anything like my case. So there you have it. So

a chiro saved my life, and another lady had one almost KILL her. But

in my case. Hey if the guy was the only one who listened when i was

crawling on the floor. I'll stick with him. I had every FANCY test

imaginable. And it was a man who felt it with his hands. that found

it. Medical doctors think if it doesnt show up on the blood work,

there is no problem! LOLOL cindy

>

> People of this group,

>

> Has it ever occured to you that our docs, therapists and health

technicians have no damn idea what is wrong with us? They really

don't knowb so they will start talking all educated and speaking in a

language many of us still do not understand. Many just pass the buck

and keep going. In other words these so called professionals would

rather keeps us ill and in pain so they keep getting paid for

continued and many times unnecessary doctors visits. Damn! I hope I

am making sense, am I?

>

> R

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> need help w/ pillow decision

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

> back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

> It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

> type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

> in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

> with my PCP.

>

> I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

practicing

> yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

> getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

> 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

> what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

> advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AHHHH!!! You are sooo right!!!!! That is exactly how I feel right now!!!! Went

from my Orthopedist to a nerve specialist to a Neurosurgeon and now being

referred back to the nerve specialist!!!! So frustrating!! They may have an idea

about what is wrong with us but they don't have a clue what the perfect plan of

action is to fix us!!!

 

:)

 

From: raburtongdyr@... <raburtongdyr@...>

Subject: Re: need help w/ pillow decision

neck pain

Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 2:36 AM

People of this group,

Has it ever occured to you that our docs, therapists and health technicians have

no damn idea what is wrong with us? They really don't knowb so they will start

talking all educated and speaking in a language many of us still do not

understand. Many just pass the buck and keep going. In other words these so

called professionals would rather keeps us ill and in pain so they keep getting

paid for continued and many times unnecessary doctors visits. Damn! I hope I am

making sense, am I?

R

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

[PainInTheNeck- Back] need help w/ pillow decision

Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

back/shoulder/ neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

with my PCP.

I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

[Guest guest]

My experience has been very similar except I was referred from Neurosurgeon to

Pain Doctor. I guess I should be glad they dont want to do surgery- (I have

never had surgery), but I suffer from a lot of the same things that those with

surgery do, so I guess its just not a guarantee that surgery can relieve you.

I think the Docs just dont know how to cure, they have ideas and they practice

on us.

[PainInTheNeck- Back] need help w/ pillow decision

Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

back/shoulder/ neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

with my PCP.

I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

[Guest guest]

I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money and If they are

going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months. Never sleep on

your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different shoulder.

Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy along with

mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension in the neck is

usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in different

places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive strain

disorder.

Good luck

Quoting dadams1959@...:

> I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist told me

> to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.? Both

> have been a real challenge!

> Best of luck on getting some relief,

> Dianne

>

>

> need help w/ pillow decision

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in my

> back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical spine.

> It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

> type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

> in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow up

> with my PCP.

>

> I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started practicing

> yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

> getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

> 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me decide

> what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

> advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Group, It's me Debbie, just checking in quickly...I hope everyone

is hanging in there. I'm sorry I've been so M.I.A. lately, busy with

the storm in Florida and GEEEEZ! It's taking it's toll on me. This

post caught my attention because along with my fusion, four bad

herniated cervical discs, loss of curve, spinal stenosis, bone spurs,

nerve damage, I also arthritis too...these are just the cervical

problems.

I guess it must be different for every person, and perhaps the

doctors just really don't know what to tell us but I was told

specifically TO sleep on my back (and to use just one pillow also).

Maybe it's because I have lumbar herniations (degenerative ones) but

my pain is much worse in my neck (and lower back) if I try to sleep

on my side. Also told to stay away from chiro's too, but I just think

it's odd that the docs are telling us different things on this topic.

I do have to wake up at least a few times throughout the night to

move around a little bit or I will be all locked up in the AM...I

wonder though if there's a reason for the different " how to sleep "

question with cervical problems. I know I had a hard time getting

used to sleeping on my back when all of this started with me, but now

I can't sleep any other way. Just one of those 'Hmmm' things and

thought I'd add my two cents. BTW, I have one of the cervical support

tempurpedic pillows and several other types from soft to firm and I

have to switch them around depending on what works best at the moment.

Love and Hugs to all of you!

Debbie

>

>

> I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money and

If they are

> going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

Never sleep on

> your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

shoulder.

> Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

along with

> mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension in

the neck is

> usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

different

> places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

strain

> disorder.

>

> Good luck

>

> Quoting dadams1959@...:

>

> > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist told

me

> > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

Both

> > have been a real challenge!

> > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > Dianne

> >

> >

> > need help w/ pillow decision

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in

my

> > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

spine.

> > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

> > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

> > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow

up

> > with my PCP.

> >

> > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

practicing

> > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

> > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

> > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

decide

> > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

> > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Group, It's me Debbie, just checking in quickly...I hope everyone

is hanging in there. I'm sorry I've been so M.I.A. lately, busy with

the storm in Florida and GEEEEZ! It's taking it's toll on me. This

post caught my attention because along with my fusion, four bad

herniated cervical discs, loss of curve, spinal stenosis, bone spurs,

nerve damage, I also arthritis too...these are just the cervical

problems.

I guess it must be different for every person, and perhaps the

doctors just really don't know what to tell us but I was told

specifically TO sleep on my back (and to use just one pillow also).

Maybe it's because I have lumbar herniations (degenerative ones) but

my pain is much worse in my neck (and lower back) if I try to sleep

on my side. Also told to stay away from chiro's too, but I just think

it's odd that the docs are telling us different things on this topic.

I do have to wake up at least a few times throughout the night to

move around a little bit or I will be all locked up in the AM...I

wonder though if there's a reason for the different " how to sleep "

question with cervical problems. I know I had a hard time getting

used to sleeping on my back when all of this started with me, but now

I can't sleep any other way. Just one of those 'Hmmm' things and

thought I'd add my two cents. BTW, I have one of the cervical support

tempurpedic pillows and several other types from soft to firm and I

have to switch them around depending on what works best at the moment.

Love and Hugs to all of you!

Debbie

>

>

> I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money and

If they are

> going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

Never sleep on

> your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

shoulder.

> Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

along with

> mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension in

the neck is

> usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

different

> places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

strain

> disorder.

>

> Good luck

>

> Quoting dadams1959@...:

>

> > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist told

me

> > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

Both

> > have been a real challenge!

> > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > Dianne

> >

> >

> > need help w/ pillow decision

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in

my

> > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

spine.

> > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

> > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

> > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow

up

> > with my PCP.

> >

> > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

practicing

> > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

> > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

> > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

decide

> > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

> > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Group, It's me Debbie, just checking in quickly...I hope everyone

is hanging in there. I'm sorry I've been so M.I.A. lately, busy with

the storm in Florida and GEEEEZ! It's taking it's toll on me. This

post caught my attention because along with my fusion, four bad

herniated cervical discs, loss of curve, spinal stenosis, bone spurs,

nerve damage, I also arthritis too...these are just the cervical

problems.

I guess it must be different for every person, and perhaps the

doctors just really don't know what to tell us but I was told

specifically TO sleep on my back (and to use just one pillow also).

Maybe it's because I have lumbar herniations (degenerative ones) but

my pain is much worse in my neck (and lower back) if I try to sleep

on my side. Also told to stay away from chiro's too, but I just think

it's odd that the docs are telling us different things on this topic.

I do have to wake up at least a few times throughout the night to

move around a little bit or I will be all locked up in the AM...I

wonder though if there's a reason for the different " how to sleep "

question with cervical problems. I know I had a hard time getting

used to sleeping on my back when all of this started with me, but now

I can't sleep any other way. Just one of those 'Hmmm' things and

thought I'd add my two cents. BTW, I have one of the cervical support

tempurpedic pillows and several other types from soft to firm and I

have to switch them around depending on what works best at the moment.

Love and Hugs to all of you!

Debbie

>

>

> I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money and

If they are

> going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

Never sleep on

> your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

shoulder.

> Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

along with

> mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension in

the neck is

> usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

different

> places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

strain

> disorder.

>

> Good luck

>

> Quoting dadams1959@...:

>

> > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist told

me

> > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

Both

> > have been a real challenge!

> > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > Dianne

> >

> >

> > need help w/ pillow decision

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in

my

> > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

spine.

> > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

> > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

> > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow

up

> > with my PCP.

> >

> > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

practicing

> > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

> > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

> > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

decide

> > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

> > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Group, It's me Debbie, just checking in quickly...I hope everyone

is hanging in there. I'm sorry I've been so M.I.A. lately, busy with

the storm in Florida and GEEEEZ! It's taking it's toll on me. This

post caught my attention because along with my fusion, four bad

herniated cervical discs, loss of curve, spinal stenosis, bone spurs,

nerve damage, I also arthritis too...these are just the cervical

problems.

I guess it must be different for every person, and perhaps the

doctors just really don't know what to tell us but I was told

specifically TO sleep on my back (and to use just one pillow also).

Maybe it's because I have lumbar herniations (degenerative ones) but

my pain is much worse in my neck (and lower back) if I try to sleep

on my side. Also told to stay away from chiro's too, but I just think

it's odd that the docs are telling us different things on this topic.

I do have to wake up at least a few times throughout the night to

move around a little bit or I will be all locked up in the AM...I

wonder though if there's a reason for the different " how to sleep "

question with cervical problems. I know I had a hard time getting

used to sleeping on my back when all of this started with me, but now

I can't sleep any other way. Just one of those 'Hmmm' things and

thought I'd add my two cents. BTW, I have one of the cervical support

tempurpedic pillows and several other types from soft to firm and I

have to switch them around depending on what works best at the moment.

Love and Hugs to all of you!

Debbie

>

>

> I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money and

If they are

> going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

Never sleep on

> your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

shoulder.

> Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

along with

> mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension in

the neck is

> usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

different

> places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

strain

> disorder.

>

> Good luck

>

> Quoting dadams1959@...:

>

> > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist told

me

> > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

Both

> > have been a real challenge!

> > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > Dianne

> >

> >

> > need help w/ pillow decision

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms in

my

> > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

spine.

> > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a different

> > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd done

> > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should follow

up

> > with my PCP.

> >

> > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

practicing

> > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is just

> > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen. I'm

> > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

decide

> > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have any

> > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

although it may be different for other people.

Does anyone recommend a pillow/cushion to use in the car as driving

is agony for me and with 3 kids to chauffeur around I do a lot of it.

I had looked at one at relax the back and it looked pretty good and

was about $125.

Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment. In the

last week and a half my lower back pain has incresed to a 7 ish each

day and need to have an mri which I am putting off as can tell the

same disk has had a meltdown from where the pain is, its now as bad

ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry for myself as at

41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

pills to help and be in lah lah land. From what I have heard and read

on fusions its just a slippery slope to more pain and surgeries so I

don't know.

[Guest guest]

Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

although it may be different for other people.

Does anyone recommend a pillow/cushion to use in the car as driving

is agony for me and with 3 kids to chauffeur around I do a lot of it.

I had looked at one at relax the back and it looked pretty good and

was about $125.

Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment. In the

last week and a half my lower back pain has incresed to a 7 ish each

day and need to have an mri which I am putting off as can tell the

same disk has had a meltdown from where the pain is, its now as bad

ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry for myself as at

41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

pills to help and be in lah lah land. From what I have heard and read

on fusions its just a slippery slope to more pain and surgeries so I

don't know.

[Guest guest]

Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

although it may be different for other people.

Does anyone recommend a pillow/cushion to use in the car as driving

is agony for me and with 3 kids to chauffeur around I do a lot of it.

I had looked at one at relax the back and it looked pretty good and

was about $125.

Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment. In the

last week and a half my lower back pain has incresed to a 7 ish each

day and need to have an mri which I am putting off as can tell the

same disk has had a meltdown from where the pain is, its now as bad

ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry for myself as at

41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

pills to help and be in lah lah land. From what I have heard and read

on fusions its just a slippery slope to more pain and surgeries so I

don't know.

[Guest guest]

Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

although it may be different for other people.

Does anyone recommend a pillow/cushion to use in the car as driving

is agony for me and with 3 kids to chauffeur around I do a lot of it.

I had looked at one at relax the back and it looked pretty good and

was about $125.

Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment. In the

last week and a half my lower back pain has incresed to a 7 ish each

day and need to have an mri which I am putting off as can tell the

same disk has had a meltdown from where the pain is, its now as bad

ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry for myself as at

41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

pills to help and be in lah lah land. From what I have heard and read

on fusions its just a slippery slope to more pain and surgeries so I

don't know.

[Guest guest]

Hey i was wondering where you have been. and you know it never dawned

on me you were in florida. i guess i do know that!LOL hang in

there.i'll cross my fingers that the suns comes out. cindy

> >

> >

> > I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money

and

> If they are

> > going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

> Never sleep on

> > your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

> shoulder.

> > Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

> along with

> > mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension

in

> the neck is

> > usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

> different

> > places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

> strain

> > disorder.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Quoting dadams1959@:

> >

> > > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist

told

> me

> > > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

> Both

> > > have been a real challenge!

> > > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > > Dianne

> > >

> > >

> > > need help w/ pillow decision

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms

in

> my

> > > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

> spine.

> > > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a

different

> > > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd

done

> > > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should

follow

> up

> > > with my PCP.

> > >

> > > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

> practicing

> > > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is

just

> > > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen.

I'm

> > > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

> decide

> > > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have

any

> > > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey i was wondering where you have been. and you know it never dawned

on me you were in florida. i guess i do know that!LOL hang in

there.i'll cross my fingers that the suns comes out. cindy

> >

> >

> > I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money

and

> If they are

> > going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

> Never sleep on

> > your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

> shoulder.

> > Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

> along with

> > mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension

in

> the neck is

> > usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

> different

> > places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

> strain

> > disorder.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Quoting dadams1959@:

> >

> > > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist

told

> me

> > > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

> Both

> > > have been a real challenge!

> > > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > > Dianne

> > >

> > >

> > > need help w/ pillow decision

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms

in

> my

> > > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

> spine.

> > > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a

different

> > > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd

done

> > > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should

follow

> up

> > > with my PCP.

> > >

> > > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

> practicing

> > > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is

just

> > > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen.

I'm

> > > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

> decide

> > > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have

any

> > > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey i was wondering where you have been. and you know it never dawned

on me you were in florida. i guess i do know that!LOL hang in

there.i'll cross my fingers that the suns comes out. cindy

> >

> >

> > I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money

and

> If they are

> > going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

> Never sleep on

> > your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

> shoulder.

> > Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

> along with

> > mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension

in

> the neck is

> > usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

> different

> > places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

> strain

> > disorder.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Quoting dadams1959@:

> >

> > > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist

told

> me

> > > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

> Both

> > > have been a real challenge!

> > > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > > Dianne

> > >

> > >

> > > need help w/ pillow decision

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms

in

> my

> > > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

> spine.

> > > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a

different

> > > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd

done

> > > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should

follow

> up

> > > with my PCP.

> > >

> > > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

> practicing

> > > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is

just

> > > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen.

I'm

> > > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

> decide

> > > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have

any

> > > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey i was wondering where you have been. and you know it never dawned

on me you were in florida. i guess i do know that!LOL hang in

there.i'll cross my fingers that the suns comes out. cindy

> >

> >

> > I would stay away from Chiro Quacks. They just want your money

and

> If they are

> > going to work usually it works within a few weeks not months.

> Never sleep on

> > your back. Shoulder and switch at night if you can to different

> shoulder.

> > Stretching mildly at first and working your way up is best remedy

> along with

> > mild exercise concentrating on posture more than speed. Tension

in

> the neck is

> > usually caused by stress and like everyone puts there stress in

> different

> > places. Need to learn to relax otherwise you get RSD Repetitive

> strain

> > disorder.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > Quoting dadams1959@:

> >

> > > I don't know what's right for you and possibly your doctor or

> > > physical therapist should recommend.? My physical therapist

told

> me

> > > to sleep on a very flat pillow and to try to sleep on my back.?

> Both

> > > have been a real challenge!

> > > Best of luck on getting some relief,

> > > Dianne

> > >

> > >

> > > need help w/ pillow decision

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi everyone. My name is . I'm new to the group. I was just

> > > told on tuesday that I have 2 disks with minor degeneration and

> > > arthritis. I've had a couple of really horrible muscle spasms

in

> my

> > > back/shoulder/neck on the left side for the past 6 months. Since

> > > college (about 10 years) i have had what I thought was muscle

> > > tension in my neck and headaches. Last weekend I woke up really

> > > early in the morning with a really sharp pain in my cervical

> spine.

> > > It always used to be just stiff muscles, so when I had a

different

> > > type of pain I got really nervous that the shoulder stand I'd

done

> > > in yoga class on saturday had caused me to herniate a disk or

> > > something. So I went in to see an urgent care MD and he ordered

> > > xrays. He called me with the results and told me I should

follow

> up

> > > with my PCP.

> > >

> > > I've been seeing a chiropracter since january with about 80%

> > > improvement (until this weekend). I've spent a lot of money on a

> > > latex pillow that was supposed to help my neck. I started

> practicing

> > > yoga for strenghtening my muscles and improving my posture. I've

> > > done everything I've read about or been told, yet my neck is

just

> > > getting worse. I have no idea what has caused this to happen.

I'm

> > > 29, so it's a little early for arthritis. I'm getting worried. I

> > > need to try to stop this. So, I'm hoping someone can help me

> decide

> > > what type of cervical pillow I should get. I don't want to spend

> > > the money to get something that doesn't work. Does anyone have

any

> > > advice on pillows? I'm trying to decide between the arc4life

> > > traction pillow and the tricore pillow.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:

>Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

>although it may be different for other people.

>

>

>

>Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

>and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment.

>its now as bad ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry

>for myself as at

>41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

>anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

>the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

>pills to help and be in lah lah land.

I've been on increasing amount of pain medications constantly for the

past 8 years now. I occasionally drive and feel in total control.

Everyone has their own reactions and tolerances, but I never feel in

La La Land with my pills, unless I take several types at the same

time. But Just taking Vicoden alone doesn't phase me. But over 8

years I've built up a big tolerance.

A true pain level of 7 is pretty bad. Surgery may be your only option

but I would get all the opinions your insurance will allow, and see

if they offer any non-invasive treatment. Perhaps even bedrest with

traction to releive pressure on the disk. Dave

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:

>Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

>although it may be different for other people.

>

>

>

>Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

>and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment.

>its now as bad ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry

>for myself as at

>41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

>anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

>the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

>pills to help and be in lah lah land.

I've been on increasing amount of pain medications constantly for the

past 8 years now. I occasionally drive and feel in total control.

Everyone has their own reactions and tolerances, but I never feel in

La La Land with my pills, unless I take several types at the same

time. But Just taking Vicoden alone doesn't phase me. But over 8

years I've built up a big tolerance.

A true pain level of 7 is pretty bad. Surgery may be your only option

but I would get all the opinions your insurance will allow, and see

if they offer any non-invasive treatment. Perhaps even bedrest with

traction to releive pressure on the disk. Dave

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:

>Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

>although it may be different for other people.

>

>

>

>Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

>and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment.

>its now as bad ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry

>for myself as at

>41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

>anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

>the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

>pills to help and be in lah lah land.

I've been on increasing amount of pain medications constantly for the

past 8 years now. I occasionally drive and feel in total control.

Everyone has their own reactions and tolerances, but I never feel in

La La Land with my pills, unless I take several types at the same

time. But Just taking Vicoden alone doesn't phase me. But over 8

years I've built up a big tolerance.

A true pain level of 7 is pretty bad. Surgery may be your only option

but I would get all the opinions your insurance will allow, and see

if they offer any non-invasive treatment. Perhaps even bedrest with

traction to releive pressure on the disk. Dave

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 AM 8/24/2008, you wrote:

>Personally from my experience I will never go back to a chiro

>although it may be different for other people.

>

>

>

>Dave, you had put in one of your messages to try and avoid surgery

>and fusion at any cost, that is where I am at the moment.

>its now as bad ad before my 1st surgery. Can't help feeling sorry

>for myself as at

>41 is this pain all I have to look forward to. I can't really take

>anything in the day as have to drive and look after the kids so be

>the end of the day am mean which I do not like or I could take the

>pills to help and be in lah lah land.

I've been on increasing amount of pain medications constantly for the

past 8 years now. I occasionally drive and feel in total control.

Everyone has their own reactions and tolerances, but I never feel in

La La Land with my pills, unless I take several types at the same

time. But Just taking Vicoden alone doesn't phase me. But over 8

years I've built up a big tolerance.

A true pain level of 7 is pretty bad. Surgery may be your only option

but I would get all the opinions your insurance will allow, and see

if they offer any non-invasive treatment. Perhaps even bedrest with

traction to releive pressure on the disk. Dave