Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 That is great DB! Soda bothers mine, too. Now concerning the lemon juice/olive oil drink. I don't do that everyday. Should one have that EVERY day? Or is it only if you have attacks? At 06:05 AM 2/11/00 GMT, you wrote: >From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> > >Hi, > >When I first joined this list, November I think, I had had my second (in 2 >years) gall bladder attack which ended with me in the emergency room. No >blockage, no gallstones, just very thick sludge. Attacks seemed to happen >when i DIDN'T eat meat. > >Anyway, starting in November, i seemed to have almost daily dicsomfort. Dr. >said it was not dangerous, but only way to stop it would be to remove the >gall bladder. I got on this list, started drinking lemon juice and olive >oil conncoctions etc. > >Well, I think I have solved the problem. Last time i was in a lot of pain >was the day after xmas, although I was still having daily discomfort after >that. Chocolate seemed to make it worse, and naturally there is a lot of it >around after xmas. I totally stopped eating chocolate, and gave up soda, >and guess what....My side isn't bothering me, not even any of that faint > " awareness " . I had chocolate cake on my son's birthday, and the next >morning, sure enough, I had pain in my side. But at least i wasn't worried >about it, because I feel like i know what it is!! I am excited! > >I will continue to be a part of this list, because I think you offer helpful >information for general gall bladder and liver health. > >Thank you for all of the tips. I admire your perserverence in preserving >your gall bladders, when Drs. say they have to go. That's why I came here. > >Debra >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 If you get Dr. Cabot's book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " you'll come to see that having that mix every day will be of great benefit. Olive oil is just one of the many mentioned for providing you with the essential fatty acids your body needs to keep the liver in good tone, your LDL cholesterol down and to loose excess weight. Dale Da_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: McMullan gallstonesonelist Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:31 AM Subject: Re: update From: McMullan <mcfam12@...> That is great DB! Soda bothers mine, too. Now concerning the lemon juice/olive oil drink. I don't do that everyday. Should one have that EVERY day? Or is it only if you have attacks? At 06:05 AM 2/11/00 GMT, you wrote: >From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> > >Hi, > >When I first joined this list, November I think, I had had my second (in 2 >years) gall bladder attack which ended with me in the emergency room. No >blockage, no gallstones, just very thick sludge. Attacks seemed to happen >when i DIDN'T eat meat. > >Anyway, starting in November, i seemed to have almost daily dicsomfort. Dr. >said it was not dangerous, but only way to stop it would be to remove the >gall bladder. I got on this list, started drinking lemon juice and olive >oil conncoctions etc. > >Well, I think I have solved the problem. Last time i was in a lot of pain >was the day after xmas, although I was still having daily discomfort after >that. Chocolate seemed to make it worse, and naturally there is a lot of it >around after xmas. I totally stopped eating chocolate, and gave up soda, >and guess what....My side isn't bothering me, not even any of that faint > " awareness " . I had chocolate cake on my son's birthday, and the next >morning, sure enough, I had pain in my side. But at least i wasn't worried >about it, because I feel like i know what it is!! I am excited! > >I will continue to be a part of this list, because I think you offer helpful >information for general gall bladder and liver health. > >Thank you for all of the tips. I admire your perserverence in preserving >your gall bladders, when Drs. say they have to go. That's why I came here. > >Debra >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Lemon juice/olive oil....I just did it for about a week after the attack. Debra ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Thanks Dale. I ordered the book from Amazon. I actually got the Healthy Liver and Bowel book. Think that is the name. I am sure it will have the same info. Take care. At 07:56 AM 2/11/00 -0800, you wrote: >From: " " <> > > If you get Dr. Cabot's book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " you'll come to >see that having that mix every day will be of great benefit. Olive oil is >just one of the many mentioned for providing you with the essential fatty >acids your body needs to keep the liver in good tone, your LDL cholesterol >down and to loose excess weight. Dale >Da_@... > ----- Original Message ----- From: McMullan To: >gallstonesonelist Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:31 AM >Subject: Re: update >From: <mcfam12@...> > > >That is great DB! Soda bothers mine, too. > > I don't do that everyday. >Should one have that EVERY day? Or is it only if you have attacks? > > > > > > > > > >At 06:05 AM 2/11/00 GMT, you wrote: >><fairyflight@...> >> >>Hi, >> >>When I first joined this list, November I think, I had had my second >(in 2 >> No >> Attacks seemed to happen >>when i DIDN'T eat meat. >> >> Dr. >>said it was not dangerous, but only way to stop it would be to remove the >> I got on this list, started drinking lemon juice and olive >>oil conncoctions etc. >> >> Last time i was in a lot of pain >>was the day after xmas, although I was still having daily discomfort after >> Chocolate seemed to make it worse, and naturally there is a lot of it >> I totally stopped eating chocolate, and gave up soda, >>and guess what....My side isn't bothering me, not even any of that >faint >> I had chocolate cake on my son's birthday, and the next >> But at least i wasn't worried >> I am excited! >> >>I will continue to be a part of this list, because I think you offer >helpful >>information for general gall bladder and liver health. >> >> I admire your perserverence in preserving >> That's why I came here. >> >>Debra >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 In a message dated 7/8/00 8:08:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bgles2@... writes: << Hi! A great big welcome to all new members. My son will be 10 mos on Mon. He was DX with plagio/tort in Jan. Vince has been in helmet/PT since then. He has PT 2x a week. We are still attempting crawling but no luck. He gets himself into all fours but prefers to army crawl. In these last few days, he has figured out how to pull himself up in his crib. The same night, he almost broke his teeth. Vince hasn't figured out that he has to hang on!! He was in his crib and tipped sideways landing with his arms sticking out between the rails. I thought the teeth were gone when I spotted blood. Well, they are there. He just managed to bite off a bit of his upper lip. I am sure this won't be the last time I see blood. [unable to display image]Now, any time he is confined, he stands. Here we go!! The few times he does crawl, I am hearing a popping noise. I mention it to PT and she feels we should go back to ped if it continues. Didn' t some of your kids have this problem? If so, what was done for it? His PT from EI thinks it's his hip. I am not sure because it feels like his knee. Enough for now!! Have a good weekend. Belinda(Indiana) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 Belinda: Hip displaysia is associated with plagio. in some cases. Check with your ped. kendra bgles2@... wrote: Hi! A great big welcome to all new members. My son will be 10 mos on Mon. He was DX with plagio/tort in Jan. Vince has been in helmet/PT since then. He has PT 2x a week. We are still attempting crawling but no luck. He gets himself into all fours but prefers to army crawl. In these last few days, he has figured out how to pull himself up in his crib. The same night, he almost broke his teeth. Vince hasn't figured out that he has to hang on!! He was in his crib and tipped sideways landing with his arms sticking out between the rails. I thought the teeth were gone when I spotted blood. Well, they are there. He just managed to bite off a bit of his upper lip. I am sure this won't be the last time I see blood. [unable to display image]Now, any time he is confined, he stands. Here we go!! The few times he does crawl, I am hearing a popping noise. I mention it to PT and she feels we should go back to ped if it continues. Didn' t some of your kids have this problem? If so, what was done for it? His PT from EI thinks it's his hip. I am not sure because it feels like his knee. Enough for now!! Have a good weekend. Belinda(Indiana) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 In a message dated 7/8/00 10:08:12 PM Central Daylight Time, bgles2@... writes: << His PT from EI thinks it's his hip. I am not sure because it feels like his knee. Enough for now!! Have a good weekend. Belinda(Indiana) >> I remember reading that hip displasia can be found with torticollis. Tammy & 12/8/99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 In a message dated 7/8/00 9:02:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: << Hip displaysia is associated with plagio. in some cases >> Are there more symptoms other than hip popping?? If this is the problem, would he still be able to stand?? Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2000 Report Share Posted July 11, 2000 Belinda: Yes, he would still be able to stand. Your doctor will know the proper "moves" to check for further clues. Don't worry too much. Kendra bgles2@... wrote: In a message dated 7/8/00 9:02:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kbgarv@... writes: << Hip displaysia is associated with plagio. in some cases >> Are there more symptoms other than hip popping?? If this is the problem, would he still be able to stand?? Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 Best of wishes Debra; I know you've lamented over this for quite some time now and I would have to agree with your decision. Some gallbladders just will not perform as you would hope they would, but at least you know you've tried something else before having to give-in to the surgery. I too know of other's that have had their gallbladder taken out and have been doing just fine for years now. I also know of others that have had them taken out and still suffer with pains much the same as they were before having the gallbladder taken out. If you look at Dusan's website you'll see some really bad off gallbladders there. The other night I was watching The Learning Channel and they showed a LAPAROSCOPIC CHOLECYSTECTOMY. They even showed the stones when the gallbladder was opened up. They looked like some of my smaller stones I've passed, compared to some larger ones. It really was quite an interesting and impressive procedure to watch especially when they were working at getting the gallbladder through the abdominal hole they'd made. It did take a little wiggling to do so. Again, best wishes DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: D B gallstonesegroups Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: update Well, although all liver enzymes were normal during my lasr attack, the newest ultrasound shows lots of sludge, and 2 stones. I haven't talked to the doctor yet (tomorrow) but I think he will probably tell me to have it out. At his point, I am so tired and afraid of the pain, that I think I am ready to do it.I was in pain again last night. So hot, could not get cool, even lying with the window wide open, and I'm in New Hampshire! Threw up this morning. I've got 3 kids whom I homeschool, and I need to not have this interfering with mylife like it is.I don't want to invalidate your experiences, but everyone I know who has had their gallbladder out is doing great. I know one woman who waited a year, and who said that her only regret was waiting so long. My fiances brother had his out last week, and feels better than he has in years.So, I think my plan is to forget my fear of anesthesia, and go for it.Debra_________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.Collected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 Thanks Dale. I do not want to wait so long that they cannot get it out laproscopically. I have heard of this happening, and I know rrecovery time is much longer for the other surgery. Debra _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 I always had a spinal block and there you can hear what goes one around you. I do not like to be asleep, or get sick afterwards from the solution the inject you with. I don't know if they do this for gallbladder surgery, but you can ask if there are alternatives. Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 I have been under general and had no problems. It will be ok. They do it everyday. If you are an otherwise healthy individual, there should be no problem. Just a question though: if the gallbladder is a useless organ, why does a sac form after removal to perform it's job? - Good luck! laura ---- Original Message ----- From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: Update > OK, here's the latest. I went to see a surgeon today. He showed me the > stones on the ultrasound photos, and the thickening wall. He gave me a > quick anatomy lesson, mossst of which I knew. What I didn't realize is that > 99% of the bile that is secreted by the liver totally bypasses the > gallbladder. He told me that mmmals have gallbladders for the purpose of > helping them digest raw meat, and that back before woman discovered fire > (ok, he actually said man) the gallbladder was very useful. > > He said that the majority of the gallbladder removals he does are > emergencies, from when people have waited too long, and sometimes damage has > been done to other organs (liver,pancreas) as well. He showed me the > pictures form my ultrasound of three years ago, and my gallbladder is > definitely in worse shape than it was then. He said he would much rather > get people in when they were in my condition, than when they had to have > emergency surgery. > > He told me that since my liver enzymes were normal a few weeks ago during an > attack, that my bile duct was probably clear, about an 8% chance of stones > in the duct. He said that unlike most surgeons he knows, he injects dye > into the duct during the procedure to make sure there are no stones in > there, so it takes about 2 hours. He said I will more than likely be able > to have laproscopic surgery, although he can't know absolutely until he > looks at it. > > SO, I am scheduled for surgery next Tuesday. 12/5. At this point I just > want to get it over with. I am not afraid of the surgery, or the pain > afterward (which won't be any worse than the pain I've been in), but I have > not gotten over my fear of anesthesia. If any of you have had any > experience with general anesthesia for anything, I could sure use some > reassurance. I only fear it because I am a single mother. If it weren't > for my kids, I would not be afraid of anything. I have to be here for them. > > I'll keep you posted. > > Debra > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2000 Report Share Posted November 28, 2000 Debra - On the meat and cooking point - cooking may reduce the fat content overall but will harden the remaining fat - in short, the point that the gallbladder is uneccessary without eating raw meat is bunk. The gallbladder might not be totally necessary for survival but without it the liver is at much greater risk without a dramatic change in diet (particularly given that your present diet got you to this point). I don't know whether you should take the operation but in any case I hope you will look long and hard at your diet and make changes. I know some people may be more susceptible to stones but the diet is still the decider. Best wishes, K > OK, here's the latest. I went to see a surgeon today. He showed me the > stones on the ultrasound photos, and the thickening wall. He gave me a > quick anatomy lesson, mossst of which I knew. What I didn't realize is that > 99% of the bile that is secreted by the liver totally bypasses the > gallbladder. He told me that mmmals have gallbladders for the purpose of > helping them digest raw meat, and that back before woman discovered fire > (ok, he actually said man) the gallbladder was very useful. > > He said that the majority of the gallbladder removals he does are > emergencies, from when people have waited too long, and sometimes damage has > been done to other organs (liver,pancreas) as well. He showed me the > pictures form my ultrasound of three years ago, and my gallbladder is > definitely in worse shape than it was then. He said he would much rather > get people in when they were in my condition, than when they had to have > emergency surgery. > > He told me that since my liver enzymes were normal a few weeks ago during an > attack, that my bile duct was probably clear, about an 8% chance of stones > in the duct. He said that unlike most surgeons he knows, he injects dye > into the duct during the procedure to make sure there are no stones in > there, so it takes about 2 hours. He said I will more than likely be able > to have laproscopic surgery, although he can't know absolutely until he > looks at it. > > SO, I am scheduled for surgery next Tuesday. 12/5. At this point I just > want to get it over with. I am not afraid of the surgery, or the pain > afterward (which won't be any worse than the pain I've been in), but I have > not gotten over my fear of anesthesia. If any of you have had any > experience with general anesthesia for anything, I could sure use some > reassurance. I only fear it because I am a single mother. If it weren't > for my kids, I would not be afraid of anything. I have to be here for them. > > I'll keep you posted. > > Debra > ______________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2000 Report Share Posted November 29, 2000 <<but you can ask if there are alternatives.<< My surgeon said no. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2000 Report Share Posted November 29, 2000 <<Just a question though: if the gallbladder is a useless organ, why does a sac form after removal to perform it's job?<< Never heard this from anyone. I never said it was " useless " , just said that we could live without it. Obviously, it still performs a function. I was just surprised to learn that the majority of the bile never even goes into the gallbladder. The bile that does back up there becomes more concentrated to help digest really fatty foods, which I hope to continue avoiding anyway. I think that my cat (an avid mouser) would be in a lot more trouble withut his gallbladder than mine will be. I talked to a guy I met today who an intern at the hospital I'm going to. He said the guy I am going to has a good reputation as a surgeon, even though he may not be too personable. He said he has never seen a surgeon inject dye into the bile duct during the procedure to check for stones, but he said this is probably a good thing to do, since he has heard of people still being in pain from having stones in the duct. I also called a friend of mine who is a recovery room nurse, and he said he is working on Tuesday, and will take care of me, so at least there will be a friendly face there. I am still so scared though. I can't believe what a chicked I am. As a single mom, it is just so hard to think of putting myself in ANY kind of risk, even though I know I'm at more risk driving my car. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2000 Report Share Posted November 29, 2000 Hi Debra! I have never " gone under " , but I know several people who have (my dad for quad bypass; mom for breast cancer surgery; and 90 year old grandmother for colon surgery...just to name a FEW) - and they are all fine even under those serious conditions. I know you know that tons of people have gone through this, but I just wanted to let you know about that in case it helps. I TOTALLY understand your worries. If I remember correctly, you and I have been having the same types of experiences with no stones (?) I'm glad for you that you are getting it taken care of. I am not a single mom, but I am a first time mom of a one year old and I find it so difficult to care for him when I am in pain...which seems to be most of the time. I went to a gastro. a few weeks ago and he was a total jerk, so I am going to another one on Dec. 7. I am hoping that he will be able to give me some answers for why I am in so much pain. And if it comes to the point of having my gallbladder out, I will do that because this is unbearable...and I would rather have it out than suffer the consequences that I have seen in some people who keep a bad gallbladder too long. I will be praying for you and your surgery and hope to hear how it goes as soon as you are up to par again...I know several people that have had their gallbladders removed and they were all feeling great within a few days. In fact, one lady I know kept hers for a year before having to get it out and she said she didn't realize how sick she really was until she had it out. I'm sure with a proper diet you'll feel great too! - ----- Original Message ----- From: D B <fairyflight@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Update > <<Just a question though: if the gallbladder is a useless organ, why does a > sac form after removal to perform it's job?<< > > Never heard this from anyone. > > I never said it was " useless " , just said that we could live without it. > Obviously, it still performs a function. I was just surprised to learn that > the majority of the bile never even goes into the gallbladder. The bile > that does back up there becomes more concentrated to help digest really > fatty foods, which I hope to continue avoiding anyway. I think that my cat > (an avid mouser) would be in a lot more trouble withut his gallbladder than > mine will be. > > I talked to a guy I met today who an intern at the hospital I'm going to. > He said the guy I am going to has a good reputation as a surgeon, even > though he may not be too personable. He said he has never seen a surgeon > inject dye into the bile duct during the procedure to check for stones, but > he said this is probably a good thing to do, since he has heard of people > still being in pain from having stones in the duct. > > I also called a friend of mine who is a recovery room nurse, and he said he > is working on Tuesday, and will take care of me, so at least there will be a > friendly face there. I am still so scared though. I can't believe what a > chicked I am. As a single mom, it is just so hard to think of putting > myself in ANY kind of risk, even though I know I'm at more risk driving my > car. > > Debra > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2000 Report Share Posted November 29, 2000 Thanks for the reassuring words. I know that I am being majorly neurotic here. >>. In fact, one lady I know kept hers for a year before having to get it out and she said she didn't realize how sick she really was until she had it out.<< I have heard stories like this too. My fiances mother, who is now 84, was tired all of the time, just generally didn't feel good, and had stopped doing some of the tings she enjoyed, including gardening. She just chalked it up to old age. She had her gallbladder out (I think she was in her early seventies) and could not believe how much better she felt. She took up gardening again, and is still doing so. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2000 Report Share Posted November 29, 2000 Debra don't worry, it will be just fine. We all know of people who had it done, i do. And they all say how much better they are feeling now. Will keep you in thought and prayers. Take care Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 There is a great temptation to see an operation as a one time solution - the easy option, if you will - but it is a drastic measure. Besides the possibilities of 'complications' and fatal infection, in truth the result is that even greater care will be required in diet afterwards, otherwise the liver could be next and in this case you can't just 'have it out'. K > Thanks for the reassuring words. I know that I am being majorly neurotic > here. > > >>. In > fact, one lady I know kept hers for a year before having to get it out and > she said she didn't realize how sick she really was until she had it out.<< > > I have heard stories like this too. My fiances mother, who is now 84, was > tired all of the time, just generally didn't feel good, and had stopped > doing some of the tings she enjoyed, including gardening. She just chalked > it up to old age. She had her gallbladder out (I think she was in her early > seventies) and could not believe how much better she felt. She took up > gardening again, and is still doing so. > > Debra > ______________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 One also feels a lot better after a few cleanses too. K > Thanks for the reassuring words. I know that I am being majorly neurotic > here. > > >>. In > fact, one lady I know kept hers for a year before having to get it out and > she said she didn't realize how sick she really was until she had it out.<< > > I have heard stories like this too. My fiances mother, who is now 84, was > tired all of the time, just generally didn't feel good, and had stopped > doing some of the tings she enjoyed, including gardening. She just chalked > it up to old age. She had her gallbladder out (I think she was in her early > seventies) and could not believe how much better she felt. She took up > gardening again, and is still doing so. > > Debra > ______________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 Have you considered that this 'ultimate symptomatic relief' may not even be targeting the right organ? Perhaps the pain is actually from elsewhere. K > <<Just a question though: if the gallbladder is a useless organ, why does a > sac form after removal to perform it's job?<< > > Never heard this from anyone. > > I never said it was " useless " , just said that we could live without it. > Obviously, it still performs a function. I was just surprised to learn that > the majority of the bile never even goes into the gallbladder. The bile > that does back up there becomes more concentrated to help digest really > fatty foods, which I hope to continue avoiding anyway. I think that my cat > (an avid mouser) would be in a lot more trouble withut his gallbladder than > mine will be. > > I talked to a guy I met today who an intern at the hospital I'm going to. > He said the guy I am going to has a good reputation as a surgeon, even > though he may not be too personable. He said he has never seen a surgeon > inject dye into the bile duct during the procedure to check for stones, but > he said this is probably a good thing to do, since he has heard of people > still being in pain from having stones in the duct. > > I also called a friend of mine who is a recovery room nurse, and he said he > is working on Tuesday, and will take care of me, so at least there will be a > friendly face there. I am still so scared though. I can't believe what a > chicked I am. As a single mom, it is just so hard to think of putting > myself in ANY kind of risk, even though I know I'm at more risk driving my > car. > > Debra > ______________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 Try asking Bush or Gore the same question. K > <<but you can ask if there are alternatives.<< > > My surgeon said no. > > Debra > > ______________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2000 Report Share Posted December 4, 2000 >>Have you considered that this 'ultimate symptomatic relief' may not even be targeting the right organ? Perhaps the pain is actually from elsewhere. I've seen the ultrasound from three years ago, and the latest one. I can see the stones. The gallbladder wall is also thickening. Naturally, now that I'm doing this, I have felt fine for the last two weeks. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2000 Report Share Posted December 4, 2000 >>Besides the possibilities of 'complications' and fatal infection, in truth the result is that even greater care will be required in diet afterwards, otherwise the liver could be next and in this case you can't just 'have it out'.<< There is a much greater risk of having a stone caught in the common bile duct, leading to serious liver damage or pancreatitus, or of having a stone caught in the cystic duct, and ending up with a gagrenous gallbladder. My surgeon said that unfortunately, the majority of gallbladder removals he does are emergency operations on people who have waited too long, and often damage to other organs has already been done. Thanks for you reassuring words during this time of stress. (Sarcasm intentional.) Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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