Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Hi All- Would those of you replying back on a message, PLEASE NOT RE-POST THE ENTIRE THREAD. This uses up un-necessary memory and space. Those of us on digest have to wade through the regurgitation of this materail and MORE IMPORTANTLY, my ISP has given us a new and " improved " update which seems to be cutting down the amount of memory available for any one e-mail. The result? I have not been able to read the last 10 messages in 2 of the last digests. Information I would have like to have had. I will deal with my ISP. BUT PLEASE, CUT THE THREAD DOWN TO THE LAST MESSAGE AND DON " T INCLUDE ANY WHOLE DIGESTS IN YOUR REPLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND COOPERATION!!! I Bless You and Bless You for the Goodness of God Which is at Work Within You, Zell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Thanks Donna B. I have Outlook Express. Appreciate the feed back in the morass of junk in this digest. I thought this was a post and help list for people interested in making soaps, lotions, etc. What a crock the last couple of days have been. Let's get back to the good stuff people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 In a message dated 6/10/01 4:17:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > Subject: OT: Butch's Advice > > , > > You are so full of crap that your eyes must be brown. If you were wise > you would realize just how stupid the below statement sounds - but also > how true to the form of your sick way of thinking. > > > Wow is this a soap making or SOAP BOX list -- for crying out loud, it takes > for ever to read through all this crap that has nothing to do with soap > making. Enough already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 In a message dated 1/12/02 7:44:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, writes: > Woody has a cracked hip, broken wrist, dislocated shoulder, abrasions, > bruises and the head injury God bless him! How old is Woody, ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 In a message dated 1/13/02 12:18:28 PM Central Standard Time, cindysue@... writes: > I have to say that one night at Mc's, this other guy was in there > eating dinner. He asked if we would sit with him. The conversation with > him always beings with " Do I know you, what is your name?. Oh, how do you > know me? (I tell him we met at the Buddy Walk in DC a few years ago). > Then I tell him that Eleanor, who is his friend (Ex director of ARC) is > also a friend of mine. Then he tells me how pretty Eleanor is (she is) and > that he'd like to marry her. I remind him that she is already married and > then he will ask if I am!! " After answering him, he will then talk to > . One of the girls at Mcs asked him if he was drinking a diet > coke. Guess he is a diabetic and she was watching out for him > > > > I have noticed that some " retarded " people have phenomenal memories and > others have very poor. Some individuals have recognized me when I haven't > seen them for several years and others have to be reintroduced every time. > Different problems of course. I just think it's an interesting point. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 > Woody has a cracked hip, broken wrist, dislocated shoulder, abrasions, > bruises and the head injury God bless him! How old is Woody, ? He is 50 or 51. Here is what was in the Washington Post (I removed what I had posted previously)today.. <snip> A Purcellville man who is mentally retarded remained in serious condition Friday at a Fairfax hospital after being hit by a pickup as he tried to cross Main Street on Thursday morning. Purcellville Police Chief Simpson said Vauehn is a fixture in town. He grew up in Purcellville, Simpson said, and has worked for about 20 years at the 7-Eleven where he made the coffee each morning. " They love him down there, " Simpson said. " Everybody knows Woody and talks to him. Because it's a small town, everybody kind of looks out for him. " Town officials said Vauehn lived with his parents until they died a few years ago. " We're certainly praying for him, " said Purcellville Mayor D. Marsh. <snip> There is another man who has MR and is a fixture in town. He's much more outgoing and friendly where Woody is more reserved. One day I was turning east and noticed this man trying to cross the street (same street..1/2 mile down the road from the accident). Westbound traffic was awful and no one was stopping to let him cross. I went down the road, turned to drop off a kid at the high school and came back to see if he was still there waiting. Yeap, he was....I stopped in the west bound lane and let him cross. While the town has a reputation for watching out for our adult disabled citizens, the reality is that most people don't know these adults because most of the citizens are either new or they could care less. I have to say that one night at Mc's, this other guy was in there eating dinner. He asked if we would sit with him. The conversation with him always beings with " Do I know you, what is your name?. Oh, how do you know me? (I tell him we met at the Buddy Walk in DC a few years ago). Then I tell him that Eleanor, who is his friend (Ex director of ARC) is also a friend of mine. Then he tells me how pretty Eleanor is (she is) and that he'd like to marry her. I remind him that she is already married and then he will ask if I am!! " After answering him, he will then talk to . One of the girls at Mcs asked him if he was drinking a diet coke. Guess he is a diabetic and she was watching out for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 I have noticed that some " retarded " people have phenomenal memories and others have very poor. Some individuals have recognized me when I haven't seen them for several years and others have to be reintroduced every time. Different problems of course. I just think it's an interesting point. Jessie has a phenomenal memory when it comes to places. I'm not sure about people....sometimes he generalizes (all gray haired men are called Popa and all black men are Jordan)...it can be embarassing at times. My daughter's future father in law is in his early 50's. He has gray hair and called him popa (very clearly). I nearly died. We were in a store once (a few years ago) and he saw a black man and called him . There is something to be said about speech that is not understood by others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2002 Report Share Posted January 13, 2002 has a phenomenal memory too about places and events.........just not reading and math! LOL. I am always amazed at what he remembers from years and years ago. Jackie, Mom to 14ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 thank you for voicing your anxieties. I too feel frustrated and outraged that we don't appear to have anyone lobbying for us. I must admit that whoever did take it on would be faced with an uphill battle because, as says, there is a huge and dangerous gap between government rhetoric and government behaviour. I think I've come to the end of the road with the CPHVA so if you're reading this please reply to 's questions asap because I'm also looking for alternative professional representation! The other worries that I have are about the state of blissful ignorance to all that's going on by many HVs. I've spoken to many in my area and none of them has any idea about the threat to their profession. What a smart tactic by whoever (mustn't be libellous!) I feel really sorry for the younger HVs, not only are they few in number but they are at serious risk of being socialized into a completely inappropriate medical model not because of the die-hards within the profession but because of the government. But then, if we recruited beyond nursing, there might be more awareness and resistance to what's going on .... Can you think of any other occupational group more willing to be *** on from a great height than nurses?!! Sorry to rant but I really have had enough! Gill Digest Number 885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 thank you for voicing your anxieties. I too feel frustrated and outraged that we don't appear to have anyone lobbying for us. I must admit that whoever did take it on would be faced with an uphill battle because, as says, there is a huge and dangerous gap between government rhetoric and government behaviour. I think I've come to the end of the road with the CPHVA so if you're reading this please reply to 's questions asap because I'm also looking for alternative professional representation! The other worries that I have are about the state of blissful ignorance to all that's going on by many HVs. I've spoken to many in my area and none of them has any idea about the threat to their profession. What a smart tactic by whoever (mustn't be libellous!) I feel really sorry for the younger HVs, not only are they few in number but they are at serious risk of being socialized into a completely inappropriate medical model not because of the die-hards within the profession but because of the government. But then, if we recruited beyond nursing, there might be more awareness and resistance to what's going on .... Can you think of any other occupational group more willing to be *** on from a great height than nurses?!! Sorry to rant but I really have had enough! Gill Digest Number 885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 No Gill, my experience in the commercial sector leads me to know that nurses are the most emotionally vulnerable group of professionals. Ruth Digest Number 885 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 Oh hear! Hear! Gill - well said julia -----Original Message-----From: Gill Newell [mailto:gill.newell@...]Sent: 21 March 2003 17:01 Subject: RE: Digest Number 885 thank you for voicing your anxieties. I too feel frustrated andoutraged that we don't appear to have anyone lobbying for us. I mustadmit that whoever did take it on would be faced with an uphill battlebecause, as says, there is a huge and dangerous gap betweengovernment rhetoric and government behaviour. I think I've come to theend of the road with the CPHVA so if you're reading this pleasereply to 's questions asap because I'm also looking for alternativeprofessional representation!The other worries that I have are about the state of blissful ignoranceto all that's going on by many HVs. I've spoken to many in my area andnone of them has any idea about the threat to their profession. What asmart tactic by whoever (mustn't be libellous!) I feel really sorry forthe younger HVs, not only are they few in number but they are at seriousrisk of being socialized into a completely inappropriate medical modelnot because of the die-hards within the profession but because of thegovernment. But then, if we recruited beyond nursing, there might bemore awareness and resistance to what's going on .... Can you think ofany other occupational group more willing to be *** on from a greatheight than nurses?!!Sorry to rant but I really have had enough!Gill-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] Sent: 21 March 2003 12:33 Subject: Digest Number 885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. -----Original Message-----From: Noy [mailto:julianoy@...]Sent: 22 March 2003 14:38 Subject: RE: Digest Number 885 Oh hear! Hear! Gill - well said julia -----Original Message-----From: Gill Newell [mailto:gill.newell@...]Sent: 21 March 2003 17:01 Subject: RE: Digest Number 885 thank you for voicing your anxieties. I too feel frustrated andoutraged that we don't appear to have anyone lobbying for us. I mustadmit that whoever did take it on would be faced with an uphill battlebecause, as says, there is a huge and dangerous gap betweengovernment rhetoric and government behaviour. I think I've come to theend of the road with the CPHVA so if you're reading this pleasereply to 's questions asap because I'm also looking for alternativeprofessional representation!The other worries that I have are about the state of blissful ignoranceto all that's going on by many HVs. I've spoken to many in my area andnone of them has any idea about the threat to their profession. What asmart tactic by whoever (mustn't be libellous!) I feel really sorry forthe younger HVs, not only are they few in number but they are at seriousrisk of being socialized into a completely inappropriate medical modelnot because of the die-hards within the profession but because of thegovernment. But then, if we recruited beyond nursing, there might bemore awareness and resistance to what's going on .... Can you think ofany other occupational group more willing to be *** on from a greatheight than nurses?!!Sorry to rant but I really have had enough!Gill-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] Sent: 21 March 2003 12:33 Subject: Digest Number 885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2003 Report Share Posted March 22, 2003 I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. -----Original Message-----From: Noy [mailto:julianoy@...]Sent: 22 March 2003 14:38 Subject: RE: Digest Number 885 Oh hear! Hear! Gill - well said julia -----Original Message-----From: Gill Newell [mailto:gill.newell@...]Sent: 21 March 2003 17:01 Subject: RE: Digest Number 885 thank you for voicing your anxieties. I too feel frustrated andoutraged that we don't appear to have anyone lobbying for us. I mustadmit that whoever did take it on would be faced with an uphill battlebecause, as says, there is a huge and dangerous gap betweengovernment rhetoric and government behaviour. I think I've come to theend of the road with the CPHVA so if you're reading this pleasereply to 's questions asap because I'm also looking for alternativeprofessional representation!The other worries that I have are about the state of blissful ignoranceto all that's going on by many HVs. I've spoken to many in my area andnone of them has any idea about the threat to their profession. What asmart tactic by whoever (mustn't be libellous!) I feel really sorry forthe younger HVs, not only are they few in number but they are at seriousrisk of being socialized into a completely inappropriate medical modelnot because of the die-hards within the profession but because of thegovernment. But then, if we recruited beyond nursing, there might bemore awareness and resistance to what's going on .... Can you think ofany other occupational group more willing to be *** on from a greatheight than nurses?!!Sorry to rant but I really have had enough!Gill-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] Sent: 21 March 2003 12:33 Subject: Digest Number 885 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 your comment is all the more useful because you 'outside the situation' as you are not a health visitor, so perhaps see things more clearly for that. The reason we started Senate in the first place was because, having spent a couple of years being increasingly frustrated at the lack of positive action of any kind (from any of the unions) to support health visiting, we believed it would be more positive and productive if we did things for ourselves, rather than grumbling about what others failed to do. We do grumble more than I would like still (guilty, myself, of that!); but we do strive to achieve some measure of substitution, especially on the professional front, by supporting and exchanging information so that health visitors and school nurses are less disadvantaged than they would otherwise. However, as we all have full time 'day jobs' (often VERY full time) we have to be a bit realistic about what we can take on. There has been, in the past (don't know if it is still present), a defensiveness and hostility from CPHVA as an organisation, based on a belief that Senate was setting itself up as a trade union in opposition to CPHVA. That was never my intention, although my disappointment at CPHVA since it withdrew support from health visiting is widely known (ironically, I don't think the CPHVA recognises the grievous harm it has done to the profession, which increases both my sense of frustration and theirs at the perceived injustice at my comments!) Also, when it comes to pay negotiations, like Agenda for Change, there is a formal process in which the representative unions have to be involved. So, Senate can do a lot of the professional things that nobody else is doing, and do them on a shoestring; but we cannot negotiate pay. The pay negotiations will have a profound effect on the profession, though. best wishes Manning wrote: I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 your comment is all the more useful because you 'outside the situation' as you are not a health visitor, so perhaps see things more clearly for that. The reason we started Senate in the first place was because, having spent a couple of years being increasingly frustrated at the lack of positive action of any kind (from any of the unions) to support health visiting, we believed it would be more positive and productive if we did things for ourselves, rather than grumbling about what others failed to do. We do grumble more than I would like still (guilty, myself, of that!); but we do strive to achieve some measure of substitution, especially on the professional front, by supporting and exchanging information so that health visitors and school nurses are less disadvantaged than they would otherwise. However, as we all have full time 'day jobs' (often VERY full time) we have to be a bit realistic about what we can take on. There has been, in the past (don't know if it is still present), a defensiveness and hostility from CPHVA as an organisation, based on a belief that Senate was setting itself up as a trade union in opposition to CPHVA. That was never my intention, although my disappointment at CPHVA since it withdrew support from health visiting is widely known (ironically, I don't think the CPHVA recognises the grievous harm it has done to the profession, which increases both my sense of frustration and theirs at the perceived injustice at my comments!) Also, when it comes to pay negotiations, like Agenda for Change, there is a formal process in which the representative unions have to be involved. So, Senate can do a lot of the professional things that nobody else is doing, and do them on a shoestring; but we cannot negotiate pay. The pay negotiations will have a profound effect on the profession, though. best wishes Manning wrote: I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Keep it up SENATE I say! well done to you all for all the sterling work you have done and for still believing. -----Original Message-----From: Cowley [mailto:sarah@...]Sent: 23 March 2003 11:46 Subject: Re: Digest Number 885 your comment is all the more useful because you 'outside the situation' as you are not a health visitor, so perhaps see things more clearly for that. The reason we started Senate in the first place was because, having spent a couple of years being increasingly frustrated at the lack of positive action of any kind (from any of the unions) to support health visiting, we believed it would be more positive and productive if we did things for ourselves, rather than grumbling about what others failed to do. We do grumble more than I would like still (guilty, myself, of that!); but we do strive to achieve some measure of substitution, especially on the professional front, by supporting and exchanging information so that health visitors and school nurses are less disadvantaged than they would otherwise. However, as we all have full time 'day jobs' (often VERY full time) we have to be a bit realistic about what we can take on. There has been, in the past (don't know if it is still present), a defensiveness and hostility from CPHVA as an organisation, based on a belief that Senate was setting itself up as a trade union in opposition to CPHVA. That was never my intention, although my disappointment at CPHVA since it withdrew support from health visiting is widely known (ironically, I don't think the CPHVA recognises the grievous harm it has done to the profession, which increases both my sense of frustration and theirs at the perceived injustice at my comments!) Also, when it comes to pay negotiations, like Agenda for Change, there is a formal process in which the representative unions have to be involved. So, Senate can do a lot of the professional things that nobody else is doing, and do them on a shoestring; but we cannot negotiate pay. The pay negotiations will have a profound effect on the profession, though. best wishesManning wrote: I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 Keep it up SENATE I say! well done to you all for all the sterling work you have done and for still believing. -----Original Message-----From: Cowley [mailto:sarah@...]Sent: 23 March 2003 11:46 Subject: Re: Digest Number 885 your comment is all the more useful because you 'outside the situation' as you are not a health visitor, so perhaps see things more clearly for that. The reason we started Senate in the first place was because, having spent a couple of years being increasingly frustrated at the lack of positive action of any kind (from any of the unions) to support health visiting, we believed it would be more positive and productive if we did things for ourselves, rather than grumbling about what others failed to do. We do grumble more than I would like still (guilty, myself, of that!); but we do strive to achieve some measure of substitution, especially on the professional front, by supporting and exchanging information so that health visitors and school nurses are less disadvantaged than they would otherwise. However, as we all have full time 'day jobs' (often VERY full time) we have to be a bit realistic about what we can take on. There has been, in the past (don't know if it is still present), a defensiveness and hostility from CPHVA as an organisation, based on a belief that Senate was setting itself up as a trade union in opposition to CPHVA. That was never my intention, although my disappointment at CPHVA since it withdrew support from health visiting is widely known (ironically, I don't think the CPHVA recognises the grievous harm it has done to the profession, which increases both my sense of frustration and theirs at the perceived injustice at my comments!) Also, when it comes to pay negotiations, like Agenda for Change, there is a formal process in which the representative unions have to be involved. So, Senate can do a lot of the professional things that nobody else is doing, and do them on a shoestring; but we cannot negotiate pay. The pay negotiations will have a profound effect on the profession, though. best wishesManning wrote: I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 and I feel that I have been silent for a while but be sure I have been following all the conversations and hope soon to be able to report a very positive development . HOwever for now I share 's frustration with CPHVA and belief that UKPHA may well be a better place to be and charity to work with than CPHVA. UKPHA does now have a "special interest group for social pharmacy" which - in my thinking - will lead to a re-birth of genuine Public Health ( the application of the social model of health in Primary Care) . Lets keep peddling ! Malcolm RE: Digest Number 885 Keep it up SENATE I say! well done to you all for all the sterling work you have done and for still believing. -----Original Message-----From: Cowley [mailto:sarah@...]Sent: 23 March 2003 11:46 Subject: Re: Digest Number 885 your comment is all the more useful because you 'outside the situation' as you are not a health visitor, so perhaps see things more clearly for that. The reason we started Senate in the first place was because, having spent a couple of years being increasingly frustrated at the lack of positive action of any kind (from any of the unions) to support health visiting, we believed it would be more positive and productive if we did things for ourselves, rather than grumbling about what others failed to do. We do grumble more than I would like still (guilty, myself, of that!); but we do strive to achieve some measure of substitution, especially on the professional front, by supporting and exchanging information so that health visitors and school nurses are less disadvantaged than they would otherwise. However, as we all have full time 'day jobs' (often VERY full time) we have to be a bit realistic about what we can take on. There has been, in the past (don't know if it is still present), a defensiveness and hostility from CPHVA as an organisation, based on a belief that Senate was setting itself up as a trade union in opposition to CPHVA. That was never my intention, although my disappointment at CPHVA since it withdrew support from health visiting is widely known (ironically, I don't think the CPHVA recognises the grievous harm it has done to the profession, which increases both my sense of frustration and theirs at the perceived injustice at my comments!) Also, when it comes to pay negotiations, like Agenda for Change, there is a formal process in which the representative unions have to be involved. So, Senate can do a lot of the professional things that nobody else is doing, and do them on a shoestring; but we cannot negotiate pay. The pay negotiations will have a profound effect on the profession, though. best wishesManning wrote: I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 Indeed. -----Original Message-----From: M.Rigler [mailto:M.Rigler@...]Sent: 25 March 2003 19:41 Subject: Re: Digest Number 885 and I feel that I have been silent for a while but be sure I have been following all the conversations and hope soon to be able to report a very positive development . HOwever for now I share 's frustration with CPHVA and belief that UKPHA may well be a better place to be and charity to work with than CPHVA. UKPHA does now have a "special interest group for social pharmacy" which - in my thinking - will lead to a re-birth of genuine Public Health ( the application of the social model of health in Primary Care) . Lets keep peddling ! Malcolm RE: Digest Number 885 Keep it up SENATE I say! well done to you all for all the sterling work you have done and for still believing. -----Original Message-----From: Cowley [mailto:sarah@...]Sent: 23 March 2003 11:46 Subject: Re: Digest Number 885 your comment is all the more useful because you 'outside the situation' as you are not a health visitor, so perhaps see things more clearly for that. The reason we started Senate in the first place was because, having spent a couple of years being increasingly frustrated at the lack of positive action of any kind (from any of the unions) to support health visiting, we believed it would be more positive and productive if we did things for ourselves, rather than grumbling about what others failed to do. We do grumble more than I would like still (guilty, myself, of that!); but we do strive to achieve some measure of substitution, especially on the professional front, by supporting and exchanging information so that health visitors and school nurses are less disadvantaged than they would otherwise. However, as we all have full time 'day jobs' (often VERY full time) we have to be a bit realistic about what we can take on. There has been, in the past (don't know if it is still present), a defensiveness and hostility from CPHVA as an organisation, based on a belief that Senate was setting itself up as a trade union in opposition to CPHVA. That was never my intention, although my disappointment at CPHVA since it withdrew support from health visiting is widely known (ironically, I don't think the CPHVA recognises the grievous harm it has done to the profession, which increases both my sense of frustration and theirs at the perceived injustice at my comments!) Also, when it comes to pay negotiations, like Agenda for Change, there is a formal process in which the representative unions have to be involved. So, Senate can do a lot of the professional things that nobody else is doing, and do them on a shoestring; but we cannot negotiate pay. The pay negotiations will have a profound effect on the profession, though. best wishesManning wrote: I've got to say it folks...but there may be the official body..but there does not have to be only that. Surely, it must be totally justifiable for an 'unofficial' independent organisation to exist to which 'real' people could feel they belonged in terms of core values..could not Senate be such an organisation. I know that PriMHE serves this function for many primary care professionals with a self-confessed interest in mental health and well-being; we also have core values. Useful +ve and collaborative action often occurs soon after people have become frsutrated together.. the thoughts and actions that could follow next will be interesting to witness. I share your frustration with the rhetoric-reality gap..it is quite the most difficult and vexing issue for me in the vol sector, about New Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2003 Report Share Posted March 27, 2003 Dear Gill Here's a few spare ********'s for you....as you all know, my view is, for the most part, that formal bodies go on restructuring and sell themselves out sooner or later..people don't. There is a great danger that organisations lose touch with their front-line members and their enthusiasms and frustrations..which is why, probably, the future in terms of robustness and getting things done at practical level, is precisely this sort of forum..which could give itself a physical presence..is it time to have a meeting of SENATE. Neither is this type of networking a tupperware party..it can inform, enthuse, listen, debate, ....I am convinced that empire building and Gothic architecture are now much more under siege by many many people who have simply had enough of the right rhetoric and a dismal reality. Chris. Re: Digest Number 885 No Gill, my experience in the commercial sector leads me to know that nurses are the most emotionally vulnerable group of professionals. Ruth Digest Number 885 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 I am also a member of the Delta Society. I have two certified dogs that visit facilities. I have seen the benefits that Animal Assisted Therapy can make and it amazes me. The website and email address, as well as the phone number, listed here are correct for Delta Society but they have recently moved. Their new physical address is 875 124th Ave NE Suite 101, Bellevue, WA 98005-2531. Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:52:11 -0400 From: " PeachStatePam " <figment@...<mailto:figment@...>> Subject: Introduction to Alternative Therapy Methods for Mental Health Care Introduction to Alternative Therapy Methods Animal Assisted Therapies Working with an animal (or animals) under the guidance of a health care professional may benefit some people with mental illness by facilitating positive changes, such as increased empathy and enhanced socialization skills. Animals can be used as part of group therapy programs to encourage communication and increase the ability to focus. Developing self-esteem and reducing loneliness and anxiety are just some potential benefits of individual-animal therapy. g.. The Delta Society 580 Naches Avenue SW, Suite 101 Renton, WA 98055-2297 Telephone: 425-226-7357 Fax: 425-235-1076 E-mail: info@...<mailto:info@...> www.deltasociety.org<http://www.deltasociety.org/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 , coming out of lurk mode here, it's been such a busy summer! I just had to give a second to your Delta endorsement. I, too, have been a member of Delta Society since 1995. I am now working with my second dog under the Delta program. I've always said that I got to stand back and witness my dog and God performing miracles. We've worked in so many different venues. I have three top favorites, although each visit is special. We work primarily in a physical rehabilitation center, with people who have had brain injuries or strokes. There was a 17-year old boy who was adored by everyone. He had a wonderful personality, did lots of volunteer work in the community, and was also the captain of the high school football team. While on spring break in Florida, he developed meningitis that evolved into encephalitis. He was in a coma that doctors and medicine couldn't bring him out of for almost four months. One of the therapists thought to call us in, and my Flat Coated Retriever, Sally, got up on his bed and snuggled with him. She kissed his face, neck, arms and hands. God was there, working through Sally. The boy woke up and was totally alert within 1/2 an hour. I was very professional and detatched while this was going on, even though the doctors, nurses and therapists were all in tears. But I sobbed my guts out all the way home, and for days afterwards. Sally fell asleep in the crate in the back of the car and slept nonstop for the next 2 days. The boy was left with a lot of impairment when he left rehab, and I offered to make home visits with Sally to see if we could improve his condition, but his father refused, saying he didn't want a " dirty animal " in his home. The second case was a young man in his early 20's who came into rehab really as a hospice patient. I didn't really know about the opportunistic illnesses connected to AIDS at the time. This boy was drop-dead model gorgeous. When I first met him I couldn't see anything wrong with him. As months went on, he kept failing, and I was told he had something called town Canyon Virus. It usually affects deer and other animals, but not humans unless they are AIDS compromised. I've since lost a cousin to the same thing. I hadn't seen him in a while, but we learned not to ask questions, because of patient confidentiality. We went to do a room visit with a 12-year old boy with MD. Sally was such an obedient sweetie, but as we walked into the room, she broke loose from me and ran and jumped on the bed of the patient on the other end of the room. She cuddled up to him and just kissed him and kissed him. I was horrified that she did this, but there was a rehab worker at his bedside who assured me that this was just what this young man needed at this time. He was unrecognizable to me, his face was distorted, and he was contorted into the fetal position. I looked around his end of the room, and saw picture after picture of beautiful Golden Retrievers. The therapist told me who he was - this beautiful young man I had lost touch with! He died the next day. The last was a 13-year old boy in a behavior disorder class in a junior high school. I had only agreed to participate in this program because the woman who ran it volunteered for my program at the rehab center, and it was payback. I hated these kids, but for Sally, the wilder, the better! One boy was very incorrigible and abusive. He took an immediate liking to Sally, but I thought, " Oh, shit, he's going to hurt my dog! " I was really mean to him and told him that if he did anything to hurt my dog I would make him pay. I provided him with plenty of treats, and gave him a whole lot of direction about training a dog to obey him because it wanted to please him. Sally provided lots of loving slurps. In September, I had no hope for this boy. By December, I could see the good in him. By the end of January, he disappeared and I knew not to ask any questions, confidentiality issues again. On one of the last days of school that we visited, as we were leaving, I heard a boy yell out, " Sally! " For only the second time, she broke loose from me and charged down the hallway to cover a boy with kisses. It was my BD brat! He told me that he had been totally mainstreamed into classes, and it was all because of Sally. He went on to write me a very nice letter over the summer, that I cherish to this day. Sometimes we do things we don't really want to do, and have very good results. So here's what ties this all together - each of these boys was named Bob or Bobby. I lost the Late Great Sally way too early at age 7. But my new guy and late bloomer is named Bobby in honor of these three great people that I've been blessed with knowing. I don't expect that he will ever bring the blessings to my life that Sally and God did, but that's ok. He may just be here to honor them. Thank you if you've been with me so far. If it hadn't happened to me, I would think it was a load of crap. Delta dogs are very special dogs. How many people think their dogs can do this type of a job, and are willing to spend the time volunteering with them? Yet of all the dogs that are tested, only 20% of them pass the test! There's something so truly unique about these animals - it's not only dogs, but cats, Guinea pigs, horses, you name it - and there's a place for all of God's creatures. Ok, I'll shut up now! If Hep C takes me tomorrow, I've led a great life! Marilyn (who isn't planning on going anywhere!) Re: Digest Number 885 I am also a member of the Delta Society. I have two certified dogs that visit facilities. I have seen the benefits that Animal Assisted Therapy can make and it amazes me. The website and email address, as well as the phone number, listed here are correct for Delta Society but they have recently moved. Their new physical address is 875 124th Ave NE Suite 101, Bellevue, WA 98005-2531. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Marilyn, What an inspiring story you've shared. You are truly blessed. Thank you, Suzy > , coming out of lurk mode here, it's been such a busy summer! I just had to give a second to your Delta endorsement. > > I, too, have been a member of Delta Society since 1995. I am now working with my second dog under the Delta program. I've always said that I got to stand back and witness my dog and God performing miracles. We've worked in so many different venues. > > I have three top favorites, although each visit is special. We work primarily in a physical rehabilitation center, with people who have had brain injuries or strokes. There was a 17-year old boy who was adored by everyone. He had a wonderful personality, did lots of volunteer work in the community, and was also the captain of the high school football team. While on spring break in Florida, he developed meningitis that evolved into encephalitis. He was in a coma that doctors and medicine couldn't bring him out of for almost four months. One of the therapists thought to call us in, and my Flat Coated Retriever, Sally, got up on his bed and snuggled with him. She kissed his face, neck, arms and hands. God was there, working through Sally. The boy woke up and was totally alert within 1/2 an hour. I was very professional and detatched while this was going on, even though the doctors, nurses and therapists were all in tears. But I sobbed my guts out all the way home, and for days afterwards. Sally fell asleep in the crate in the back of the car and slept nonstop for the next 2 days. The boy was left with a lot of impairment when he left rehab, and I offered to make home visits with Sally to see if we could improve his condition, but his father refused, saying he didn't want a " dirty animal " in his home. > > The second case was a young man in his early 20's who came into rehab really as a hospice patient. I didn't really know about the opportunistic illnesses connected to AIDS at the time. This boy was drop-dead model gorgeous. When I first met him I couldn't see anything wrong with him. As months went on, he kept failing, and I was told he had something called town Canyon Virus. It usually affects deer and other animals, but not humans unless they are AIDS compromised. I've since lost a cousin to the same thing. I hadn't seen him in a while, but we learned not to ask questions, because of patient confidentiality. We went to do a room visit with a 12- year old boy with MD. Sally was such an obedient sweetie, but as we walked into the room, she broke loose from me and ran and jumped on the bed of the patient on the other end of the room. She cuddled up to him and just kissed him and kissed him. I was horrified that she did this, but there was a rehab worker at his bedside who assured me that this was just what this young man needed at this time. He was unrecognizable to me, his face was distorted, and he was contorted into the fetal position. I looked around his end of the room, and saw picture after picture of beautiful Golden Retrievers. The therapist told me who he was - this beautiful young man I had lost touch with! He died the next day. > > The last was a 13-year old boy in a behavior disorder class in a junior high school. I had only agreed to participate in this program because the woman who ran it volunteered for my program at the rehab center, and it was payback. I hated these kids, but for Sally, the wilder, the better! One boy was very incorrigible and abusive. He took an immediate liking to Sally, but I thought, " Oh, shit, he's going to hurt my dog! " I was really mean to him and told him that if he did anything to hurt my dog I would make him pay. I provided him with plenty of treats, and gave him a whole lot of direction about training a dog to obey him because it wanted to please him. Sally provided lots of loving slurps. > > In September, I had no hope for this boy. By December, I could see the good in him. By the end of January, he disappeared and I knew not to ask any questions, confidentiality issues again. On one of the last days of school that we visited, as we were leaving, I heard a boy yell out, " Sally! " For only the second time, she broke loose from me and charged down the hallway to cover a boy with kisses. It was my BD brat! He told me that he had been totally mainstreamed into classes, and it was all because of Sally. He went on to write me a very nice letter over the summer, that I cherish to this day. Sometimes we do things we don't really want to do, and have very good results. > > So here's what ties this all together - each of these boys was named Bob or Bobby. I lost the Late Great Sally way too early at age 7. But my new guy and late bloomer is named Bobby in honor of these three great people that I've been blessed with knowing. I don't expect that he will ever bring the blessings to my life that Sally and God did, but that's ok. He may just be here to honor them. > > Thank you if you've been with me so far. If it hadn't happened to me, I would think it was a load of crap. Delta dogs are very special dogs. How many people think their dogs can do this type of a job, and are willing to spend the time volunteering with them? Yet of all the dogs that are tested, only 20% of them pass the test! There's something so truly unique about these animals - it's not only dogs, but cats, Guinea pigs, horses, you name it - and there's a place for all of God's creatures. > > Ok, I'll shut up now! If Hep C takes me tomorrow, I've led a great life! > > Marilyn (who isn't planning on going anywhere!) > Re: Digest Number 885 > > > I am also a member of the Delta Society. I have two certified dogs that visit facilities. I have seen the benefits that Animal Assisted Therapy can make and it amazes me. > The website and email address, as well as the phone number, listed here are correct for Delta Society but they have recently moved. Their new physical address is 875 124th Ave NE Suite 101, Bellevue, WA 98005-2531. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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