Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I agree...killing too many heartworms at one time will clog the veins and arteries of the heart and other vital organs and possibly kill the animal like a blood clot would. Take this very slow. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. If anyone has a solution, please LMK. Best, Candace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Heartgard ® Chewables for Dogs (Brand) by Merial " Heartgard is used in the prevention of heartworm infections. It kills the immature form of the heartworm (Dirofilaria immitis). Heartgard contains ivermectin, which interferes with the parasite's nerve transmission, causing paralysis and death of the immature heartworms (larvae). " http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=23272 & cmpid=01cseg\ b & ref=3312 & subref=AA & CAWELAID=867503871 all golod, Duncan > > I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. > > If anyone has a solution, please LMK. > > Best, > Candace > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 --Thanks Duncan about heart guard is it prescribed or can WE get it otc? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 -Do u think vco would help prevent heartworms? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Leah, This will kill parasites in the intestines, I'm not sure about the blood stream or around the heart. Bob Re: Heartworms > Have you heard of/tried diatomaceous earth? Pretty sure I read this can > kill them, and it's good for them--actually good for people too, not only > for killing parasites but as a good source of silica, which is good for > eye, skin, nails & hair. > > --Leah > > >> >> I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in >> dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked >> up on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a >> heartworm negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard >> or plain ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but >> ivermectin has become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here >> don't even sell it anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional >> vet treatment and it's impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. >> >> If anyone has a solution, please LMK. >> >> Best, >> Candace >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Yeah, but watch it around little kids, they love to play in it. I bought the smallest amount I could find locally, a 25 lb bag. Put it in a container with a lid and my 2yo grandson got it open and spread all over the famlyroom floor. Good thing it is concrete not carpeted. LOL Sylvia On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Leah <wenandleah@...> wrote: > Have you heard of/tried diatomaceous earth? Pretty sure I read this can > kill them, and it's good for them--actually good for people too, not only > for killing parasites but as a good source of silica, which is good for eye, > skin, nails & hair. > > --Leah > > > > > > I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in > dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up > on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm > negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain > ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has > become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it > anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's > impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. > > > > If anyone has a solution, please LMK. > > > > Best, > > Candace > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 The easiest non-pesticide *treatment* and *preventative* for heartworms is salt and iodine. There is no cure! You can prevent massive microfilarial infestation of the blood and prevent mature worms growing in the heart but you can never totally *cure* this if the dog ever gets mosquito-bitten in any area where the mosquitoes are known to carry the infestation. The marketed " natural " treatments are based on the same things that are common anti-parasiticals for humans: arsenic or cyanide. Personally I prefer salt and iodine. By far the worst thing you can do to a dog, that weakens it and makes it vulnerable to the infestation, is to feed it grain based food. I live in an area where the problem originated, the southeast coast. It is impossible to prevent infection here but it is possible through diet to prevent maturity of worms in the heart and excess microfilaria in the bloodstream. If you take your dog to a vet here, they will ALWAYS find heartworms and will always want you to put the dog on their pesticides. Make no mistake, those pesticides will slowly debilitate your dog. You must make a choice between that and living with heartworms but keeping them under control. If a dog develops a chronic cough here, it's heartworms. The treatment is to restrain the dog, severely limit its activity and limit its food and water to that containing iodine and salt until it stops coughing and perks up. It's tricky business, takes many days, but I've done it several times. But it never stops. The real trick is to develop a schedule of it before they get mature worms. I don't have a dog now. It's nearly cruel to keep an outdoor dog here and I'm in no position right now to keep an indoor one. The last dog we had was a beagle. She loved to hunt but there's just too many mean critters in the woods here and she got attacked, injured, and got scared. I was keeping her heartworms under control for four years. I eventually gave her to my Mom who lives much further inland where the woods have more rabbits and fewer mean critters. They immediately took her to a vet who pronounced her with heartworms. Of course she did. They spent many hundreds on the dog for heartworms despite my admonition of how to control them. Then they let her run all the time and a coyote or a weasel got her. That's why you always have beagles in packs. Lone beagles get killed because their hunting and fighting instincts are bigger than their size. Kind of off the subject now... DaddyBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 daddybob, How much iodine and salt do you use? Thanks. Re: Heartworms > The easiest non-pesticide *treatment* and *preventative* for heartworms is > salt and iodine. There is no cure! You can prevent massive microfilarial > infestation of the blood and prevent mature worms growing in the heart but > you can never totally *cure* this if the dog ever gets mosquito-bitten in > any area where the mosquitoes are known to carry the infestation. > > The marketed " natural " treatments are based on the same things that are > common anti-parasiticals for humans: arsenic or cyanide. Personally I > prefer > salt and iodine. > > By far the worst thing you can do to a dog, that weakens it and makes it > vulnerable to the infestation, is to feed it grain based food. > > I live in an area where the problem originated, the southeast coast. It is > impossible to prevent infection here but it is possible through diet to > prevent maturity of worms in the heart and excess microfilaria in the > bloodstream. If you take your dog to a vet here, they will ALWAYS find > heartworms and will always want you to put the dog on their pesticides. > Make > no mistake, those pesticides will slowly debilitate your dog. You must > make > a choice between that and living with heartworms but keeping them under > control. > > If a dog develops a chronic cough here, it's heartworms. The treatment is > to > restrain the dog, severely limit its activity and limit its food and water > to that containing iodine and salt until it stops coughing and perks up. > It's tricky business, takes many days, but I've done it several times. But > it never stops. The real trick is to develop a schedule of it before they > get mature worms. > > I don't have a dog now. It's nearly cruel to keep an outdoor dog here and > I'm in no position right now to keep an indoor one. > > The last dog we had was a beagle. She loved to hunt but there's just too > many mean critters in the woods here and she got attacked, injured, and > got > scared. I was keeping her heartworms under control for four years. I > eventually gave her to my Mom who lives much further inland where the > woods > have more rabbits and fewer mean critters. They immediately took her to a > vet who pronounced her with heartworms. Of course she did. They spent many > hundreds on the dog for heartworms despite my admonition of how to control > them. Then they let her run all the time and a coyote or a weasel got her. > That's why you always have beagles in packs. Lone beagles get killed > because > their hunting and fighting instincts are bigger than their size. Kind of > off > the subject now... > > DaddyBob > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 How about black walnut / mugwort tinctures?... They are powerful anti-parisitics. d ________________________________ From: Bob Banever <bbanever@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 10:02:15 AM Subject: Re: Re: Heartworms daddybob, How much iodine and salt do you use? Thanks. Re: Heartworms > The easiest non-pesticide *treatment* and *preventative* for heartworms is > salt and iodine. There is no cure! You can prevent massive microfilarial > infestation of the blood and prevent mature worms growing in the heart but > you can never totally *cure* this if the dog ever gets mosquito-bitten in > any area where the mosquitoes are known to carry the infestation. > > The marketed " natural " treatments are based on the same things that are > common anti-parasiticals for humans: arsenic or cyanide. Personally I > prefer > salt and iodine. > > By far the worst thing you can do to a dog, that weakens it and makes it > vulnerable to the infestation, is to feed it grain based food. > > I live in an area where the problem originated, the southeast coast. It is > impossible to prevent infection here but it is possible through diet to > prevent maturity of worms in the heart and excess microfilaria in the > bloodstream. If you take your dog to a vet here, they will ALWAYS find > heartworms and will always want you to put the dog on their pesticides. > Make > no mistake, those pesticides will slowly debilitate your dog. You must > make > a choice between that and living with heartworms but keeping them under > control. > > If a dog develops a chronic cough here, it's heartworms. The treatment is > to > restrain the dog, severely limit its activity and limit its food and water > to that containing iodine and salt until it stops coughing and perks up. > It's tricky business, takes many days, but I've done it several times. But > it never stops. The real trick is to develop a schedule of it before they > get mature worms. > > I don't have a dog now. It's nearly cruel to keep an outdoor dog here and > I'm in no position right now to keep an indoor one. > > The last dog we had was a beagle. She loved to hunt but there's just too > many mean critters in the woods here and she got attacked, injured, and > got > scared. I was keeping her heartworms under control for four years. I > eventually gave her to my Mom who lives much further inland where the > woods > have more rabbits and fewer mean critters. They immediately took her to a > vet who pronounced her with heartworms. Of course she did. They spent many > hundreds on the dog for heartworms despite my admonition of how to control > them. Then they let her run all the time and a coyote or a weasel got her. > That's why you always have beagles in packs. Lone beagles get killed > because > their hunting and fighting instincts are bigger than their size. Kind of > off > the subject now... > > DaddyBob > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 ---Leah I considered de but while researching it came across some views both vco and de would not help as it is in the digestive tract not in the blood stream. good points however using myself as an example how did the three spots in my lungs diminish over 30% just by using vco? If it would work outside my digestive tract would it not also work in dogs? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 How much MSM would you give to 2 to 12 lb dogs? Sylvia On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:44 AM, <ransley@...> wrote: > I'll try to answer several questions with this reply... > > Dosages of salt and iodine- study up on the therapeutic doses of these for > humans and use similar weight related doses based on the dog's weight. For > salt- study up on brine therapy. Salt works better when in brine form. > Iodine- with everything I've learned, I'd use potassium iodide for this but > I'd watch the dog carefully for any signs of overdose. That's confusing > because treating for heartworms and filaria will always make the dog sick. > Like I said, this is tricky. You have to develop a feel for it and you'll > get no help from a standard vet for it. > > (green) Black Walnut hull treatments- that's arsenic. Treatments from > apricot pits are cyanide. > > I fed my dogs as much meat as possible and also used rice and lamb or rice > and chicken bagged foods. Corn and wheat are the grains to really avoid. > Rice may not be truly good for them - or you - but it's not as bad as corn > and wheat. > > Don't fool yourself about the quality or bio-availability of any meat > protein in any bagged food. If you have ever been involved in any aspect of > the feed producing biz you'd know why. After processing for human food, the > only meat left is what can't be cut-off in any way. The carcasses are sent > to a rendering plant where any remaining protein is cooked out rapidly > under > pressure, then that is trucked back to a feed mill. You would never > recognize it as meat. Also, " downer " animals usually are used for pet food. > Rendered meat is mostly organs and spinal cords. At least though, it > usually has gelatin, and that's good. > > Nevertheless, since we had very active dogs and a large family to play with > them, I was able to see with my own eyes the differences in bagged foods in > my dogs and there was not always as big of a relation to price as you might > think. Sometimes a generic brand came out on top, sometimes it was Purina, > but I never found the expensive pet store brands to be worth the money. At > least one expensive brand was mostly corn and wheat. That's worm food for > dogs. > > Since we ate a lot of meat and had four kids, our dogs got a lot of good > scraps. That was years ago though. The quality of grocery store meat has > gone down very badly since then. > > Grocery store meat is full of pesticides now. We think that an extended > family member recently accidentally killed a beloved but aging dog by > feeding her raw meat from the local el-cheapo grocery store. It was > probably > pesticides that did it. We have had experience in our own diet with the > effects of pesticide in grocery store meat. > > About DE- It's going to do absolutely nothing- directly- against > heartworms- > but- it may help indirectly. It's an excellent source of amorphous silica > which is the 3rd leg of a 3-legged stool needed to rebuild tissue (the > other > two are protein and full spectrum C and bioflavonoid). I've only recently > started using DE as a food- yes, a literal food- and the results have been > very good. It would seem to be just a good for a dog I think. Properly > nourished bodily tissue is more resistant to any pathogen. > > It's really tough to take proper care of a pet now without bankrupting > yourself. > > Oh yeah- VCO is REALLY GOOD FOR A DOG! I repeat again the story of Smokey > Joe, a black lab that stunk so bad that my kids wouldn't play with him- > until I fed him VCO and he stopped stinking. > > Last tip for now- MSM will expel dog's intestinal worms so fast that you'll > see them standing up in a stool, looking around, trying to figure out what > happened. > > DaddyBob > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 MSM is very difficult to get down a dog. I used to wrap it in hamburger and my golden would woof it down. The bottom line is as much as you can. >How much MSM would you give to 2 to 12 lb dogs? Sylvia< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I might be able to do that. I usually free feed and I am worried that if I just sprinkle it on their food - they just won't eat. LOL You can't overdose on MSM? Thanks, Sylvia On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Huuman <huuman60@...> wrote: > MSM is very difficult to get down a dog. I used to wrap it in hamburger > and my golden would woof it down. > > The bottom line is as much as you can. > > >How much MSM would you give to 2 to 12 lb dogs? Sylvia< > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 One chemist on the web described MSM as the least toxic chemical that he had ever measured... less toxic than water. So the warning is... don' give your dog too much water. >I might be able to do that. I usually free feed and I am worried that if I just sprinkle it on their food - they just won't eat. LOL You can't overdose on MSM? Thanks, Sylvia< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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