Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I have a dog I have rescued, that has been diagnosed with heartworms. The vet is providing medicine to be put on his skin. Will electricity kill these worms? They will kill him eventually. The traditional meds take 6 months to a year. Sometimes two years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 good question, DS the current can be sent into the heart pretty easily assuming you can attach electrodes to pulse points in front paws. It will follow the bloodstream into the heart and back out into the opposite paw. Another trick would be to electrify the water dish and provide a metal standing area for the paws to contact while drinking. Colloidal silver in the water could also be tried, but not sure how that could work. Possibly a combination of the meds and the electrical devices could work to be rid of them altogether.? bG > > I have a dog I have rescued, that has been diagnosed with heartworms. > The vet is providing medicine to be put on his skin. Will electricity kill these worms? They will kill him eventually. The traditional meds take 6 months to a year. Sometimes two years... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 This is not electric, but it certainly is extremely safe, natural and will kill heartworms. This is from a pet list I'm on, the original post and responses to questions asked: Been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. A friend uses the *cheap Beer* to worm her dogs.. And has for years.. I forget what the ratio is on The cheap beer.. As I do not use that. I started researching.. And not realizing THEN that what I was finding on The net would NOT stay there, I just copied the links and not the pages.. DUMB ME But I found in research papers for work ongoing in JAPAN.. They were testing The difference between Heart guard and Irish stout.. They were using guiness Black label stout. Now that is the difference.. The Glass bottles that are Black Label are Always imported from Ireland.. Those in cans or not the black label.. Are Brewed in the states and we have inferior hops.. Its a totally different variety of hops actually.. And we have lots more Pollution where our hops are grown, then where Guiness grows theirs.. (in an Sealed environment.. Pure air / water, and no pollution !! And the way they brew it over in Ireland is also better, slower, more hops And better water.. So that process is also important.. To use guiness its 1oz / 25lbs of dog. First month, you dose first of month and then 2 wks later, from then on.. Its just one dose every month. Unless you miss a month, then you start over Again. My friend that uses the cheap beer, yes she sees worms come out dead.. has never really had worms.. So I cant say that they killed what she Had.. But it Does prevent them.. And she also does not get heart worm. AND Even when exposed to the area that had it the heaviest 3 yrs ago.. And the Other dog with us that weekend.. Was on heartguard.. And DID get heartworm.. And did not.. Speaks volumes to me. As to getting rid of heartworm to those that test positive.. Have a vet tech Friend in Ohio.. She has used this to cure dogs that come in positive but Are too sick to take *traditional* meds to be rid of the heart worm.. That protocol is 1oz per 25lbs every 2 wks for 3 months.. A test to find out Where the dog stands.. If ONLY microfilea then the dog can go to once every Month as it will eventually kill off the microfilea.. IF however there are Still young worms in the body.. Then another 3 months of the protocol.. Usually at that end the dog is cured of the heartworm infestations.. And WELL and Healthy. The nicest thing about this is that .. The beer renders them sterile.. They Can not reproduce, it also stunts their growth, speeds their aging up.. AND They do not produce any toxin as they die.. Which is what happens when you Try to poison them.. They make the dog really sick and most times people Will stop the treatment to keep the dog alive.. And the heartworm lays Dormant and then comes back with vengence.. Only the black label imported (glass bottle) guiness stout.. Kills Heartworm.. The regular cheap beer wont.. Its been used successfully on 6 dogs in the past 3 yrs.. And the people were Very happy to get their dogs back.. The vet was not so happy, and he lost Money.. Oh well.. phine MorningStar & , Pyr, Mobility & MASD Native American in Massachusetts www.etsy.com/shop/JoMorningStar One ounce per 25 lbs of dog. I have a 12 lb cat, we measure out about 2.5 eye droppers full of stout. And Some of it comes back up.. The 6 lb cat gets half that. But she is a bit better about taking it. Because the physiology of cats is quite different then dogs, we do not give Them as much. Starting out.. First month, 2 doses 2 wks apart.. From then on, once per Month.. Unless you miss a dose, then you start all over again. Ive no idea about the CS but the stout has not had / caused any ill effects With other treatments, herbal or allopathic I've been going through my emails and this was also in there. A bit more info on the beer and worms. -------Original Message------- My friend that just uses the cheap beer, comes from a 4 generation breeding Kennels of Sheltie dogs.. They are soo sensitive to things, but this beer Treatment is easy on them. I took that as a good sign also. My friend now raises poms, and pyrs.. And still uses this, although when she Has taken in rescue's that were just loaded with all kinds of worms.. She Bought and used the Black Label Stout. She really liked the results on Them, told me that they just started pooping multitudes of dead worms in Their stools. Within a few hours.. Some of her rescue's came in with hook, Whip, tape, and one had strongyles (I know it as blood worm disease in Horses). I have been trying to get ahold of my friend that uses the cheap beer, but She is in the process of a move, so not often available. I will keep trying Though. Ive used the stout recipe on , a Great Pyrenees, and as they are very Sensitive dogs , low metabolism, She has never shown any signs of being Drunk.. She weighs 122lbs so she gets 5 oz of the beer. I'm native American, and that much makes ME drunk.. So I was really watching For that in , but have never seen it happen, not even the first Time. The Doberman's in the household LOVE IT.. Cause its a bit sweeter then most Beers are. They will lap it up without it being flat also.. But then they Are *food mongers*. Grin We have a rescue from my friend, up here to be trained for mobility service Dog work, he spent 7 months with my Friend, and she gave him the cheap Beer.. He likes the taste of That better then the Stout, but when its Explained to him that this is what WE use.. He will consume it soaked into His kibble ( is the only one on raw diet, as she just can NOT process Any kibble) (a note from me--she keeps saying Stout, but the correct Guinness is not called Stout, or called Black Label. It's actually called Draught. When I first read this I went down and found Guinness Extra Stout. Bought it and got home, read the label, and it's actually from Canada. Wrong kind. Went back and found the correct one from Ireland. It HAS a black label, but doesn't say that. It is called Draught. That's the one you want--) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Oh, sorry about the last post about the beer for heartworms, instead of the Godzilla. I'd have sent it privately but didn't realize it was on this list--thought it was a different list. Samala, -------Original Message------- good question, DS the current can be sent into the heart pretty easily assuming you can attach electrodes to pulse points in front paws. It will follow the bloodstream into the heart and back out into the opposite paw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Hi, , this is certainly ok, glad you posted it here. 1. It is not for a human so there's no medical advice problems here (I would estimate). 2. You have contributed a lot to the group and have some privileges here. Anyway you have a great idea there. Reading it made me want to try the Bottled Guiness just for heck of it. I'd like to know I do not have any heartworms just in case! bG > > Oh, sorry about the last post about the beer for heartworms, instead of the > Godzilla. I'd have sent it privately but didn't realize it was on this > list--thought it was a different list. > > Samala, > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > good question, DS > > the current can be sent into the heart pretty easily assuming you can attach > electrodes to pulse points in front paws. It will follow the bloodstream > into the heart and back out into the opposite paw. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Interesting information. And the message implies the beer kills all parasites? If so, it would get to places that one would not know to put the Godzilla. Very interesting. Wonder if it would work well on other animals?From: <gaiacita@...>Subject: Re: Heartworms Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 8:07 PM This is not electric, but it certainly is extremely safe, natural and will kill heartworms. This is from a pet list I'm on, the original post and responses to questions asked: Been using the beer for wormer for about 4.5 yrs.. A friend uses the *cheap Beer* to worm her dogs.. And has for years.. I forget what the ratio is on The cheap beer.. As I do not use that. I started researching. . And not realizing THEN that what I was finding on The net would NOT stay there, I just copied the links and not the pages.. DUMB ME But I found in research papers for work ongoing in JAPAN.. They were testing The difference between Heart guard and Irish stout.. They were using guiness Black label stout. Now that is the difference.. The Glass bottles that are Black Label are Always imported from Ireland.. Those in cans or not the black label.. Are Brewed in the states and we have inferior hops.. Its a totally different variety of hops actually.. And we have lots more Pollution where our hops are grown, then where Guiness grows theirs.. (in an Sealed environment. . Pure air / water, and no pollution !! And the way they brew it over in Ireland is also better, slower, more hops And better water.. So that process is also important.. To use guiness its 1oz / 25lbs of dog. First month, you dose first of month and then 2 wks later, from then on.. Its just one dose every month. Unless you miss a month, then you start over Again. My friend that uses the cheap beer, yes she sees worms come out dead.. has never really had worms.. So I cant say that they killed what she Had.. But it Does prevent them.. And she also does not get heart worm. AND Even when exposed to the area that had it the heaviest 3 yrs ago.. And the Other dog with us that weekend.. Was on heartguard.. And DID get heartworm.. And did not.. Speaks volumes to me. As to getting rid of heartworm to those that test positive.. Have a vet tech Friend in Ohio.. She has used this to cure dogs that come in positive but Are too sick to take *traditional* meds to be rid of the heart worm.. That protocol is 1oz per 25lbs every 2 wks for 3 months.. A test to find out Where the dog stands.. If ONLY microfilea then the dog can go to once every Month as it will eventually kill off the microfilea.. IF however there are Still young worms in the body.. Then another 3 months of the protocol.. Usually at that end the dog is cured of the heartworm infestations. . And WELL and Healthy. The nicest thing about this is that .. The beer renders them sterile.. They Can not reproduce, it also stunts their growth, speeds their aging up.. AND They do not produce any toxin as they die.. Which is what happens when you Try to poison them.. They make the dog really sick and most times people Will stop the treatment to keep the dog alive.. And the heartworm lays Dormant and then comes back with vengence.. Only the black label imported (glass bottle) guiness stout.. Kills Heartworm.. The regular cheap beer wont.. Its been used successfully on 6 dogs in the past 3 yrs.. And the people were Very happy to get their dogs back.. The vet was not so happy, and he lost Money.. Oh well.. phine MorningStar & , Pyr, Mobility & MASD Native American in Massachusetts www.etsy.com/ shop/JoMorningSt ar One ounce per 25 lbs of dog. I have a 12 lb cat, we measure out about 2.5 eye droppers full of stout. And Some of it comes back up.. The 6 lb cat gets half that. But she is a bit better about taking it. Because the physiology of cats is quite different then dogs, we do not give Them as much. Starting out.. First month, 2 doses 2 wks apart.. From then on, once per Month.. Unless you miss a dose, then you start all over again. Ive no idea about the CS but the stout has not had / caused any ill effects With other treatments, herbal or allopathic I've been going through my emails and this was also in there. A bit more info on the beer and worms. -------Original Message----- -- My friend that just uses the cheap beer, comes from a 4 generation breeding Kennels of Sheltie dogs.. They are soo sensitive to things, but this beer Treatment is easy on them. I took that as a good sign also. My friend now raises poms, and pyrs.. And still uses this, although when she Has taken in rescue's that were just loaded with all kinds of worms.. She Bought and used the Black Label Stout. She really liked the results on Them, told me that they just started pooping multitudes of dead worms in Their stools. Within a few hours.. Some of her rescue's came in with hook, Whip, tape, and one had strongyles (I know it as blood worm disease in Horses). I have been trying to get ahold of my friend that uses the cheap beer, but She is in the process of a move, so not often available. I will keep trying Though. Ive used the stout recipe on , a Great Pyrenees, and as they are very Sensitive dogs , low metabolism, She has never shown any signs of being Drunk.. She weighs 122lbs so she gets 5 oz of the beer. I'm native American, and that much makes ME drunk.. So I was really watching For that in , but have never seen it happen, not even the first Time. The Doberman's in the household LOVE IT.. Cause its a bit sweeter then most Beers are. They will lap it up without it being flat also.. But then they Are *food mongers*. Grin We have a rescue from my friend, up here to be trained for mobility service Dog work, he spent 7 months with my Friend, and she gave him the cheap Beer.. He likes the taste of That better then the Stout, but when its Explained to him that this is what WE use.. He will consume it soaked into His kibble ( is the only one on raw diet, as she just can NOT process Any kibble) (a note from me--she keeps saying Stout, but the correct Guinness is not called Stout, or called Black Label. It's actually called Draught. When I first read this I went down and found Guinness Extra Stout. Bought it and got home, read the label, and it's actually from Canada. Wrong kind. Went back and found the correct one from Ireland. It HAS a black label, but doesn't say that. It is called Draught. That's the one you want--) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 , With only 1 ounce of Guiness per 25 pound of dog, that must leave a lot left in the bottle. Do you keep it until the next dose in two weeks, or just drink it yourself (in case you have worms, of course)? Real Irish Guiness must be pretty expensive, and it would be a shame to have it go flat waiting for two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Sounds delicious, I'll have to find some. Hmmm, I wonder how well it works for parasites in people...? Stay well, From: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@...> Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 11:18:58 AMSubject: Re: Heartworms , With only 1 ounce of Guiness per 25 pound of dog, that must leave a lot left in the bottle. Do you keep it until the next dose in two weeks, or just drink it yourself (in case you have worms, of course)? Real Irish Guiness must be pretty expensive, and it would be a shame to have it go flat waiting for two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I do not know if electricity will kill the heart worms. BUT, Heartworms if killed off to fast, with electricity may in turn kill the dog, by clogging valves in the heart, with dead worms, they must be killed slowly over a long period so as to not kill the dog. In most cases with worms, the toxic medication will kill the adult worms, but not the babies. So your intention should be to continue to kill the adults until there are no more adults to have babies. stay vertical, david On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, day.sutton <day.sutton@...> wrote:  I have a dog I have rescued, that has been diagnosed with heartworms. The vet is providing medicine to be put on his skin. Will electricity kill these worms? They will kill him eventually. The traditional meds take 6 months to a year. Sometimes two years... -- Obama Healthcare, Remember In November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Yes, you can keep an opened bottle a month in the fridge, because it doesn't matter if it goes flat. The carbonation has nothing to do with it killing parastites--it's the hops. Just be sure to put some sort of seal back on the bottle, and keep it in the fridge so it doesn't spoil. I think it's expensive for beer, but then I don't drink beer, so don't really have a handle on cost of other beers. But this 6 pack cost $9 or $10, I forget. But--since the dose is only once a month, and my 3 dogs wind up getting just one bottle between them, the first month is 2 bottles and then there are enough left for 4 months. Not expensive at all when looking at it that way. Or, if you only have one dog, you can always drink the rest. Samala, -------Original Message------- With only 1 ounce of Guiness per 25 pound of dog, that must leave a lot left in the bottle. Do you keep it until the next dose in two weeks, or just drink it yourself (in case you have worms, of course)? Real Irish Guiness must be pretty expensive, and it would be a shame to have it go flat waiting for two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Heck, it's as good excuse as any to down a nice cold one. Samala, -------Original Message------- Anyway you have a great idea there. Reading it made me want to try the Bottled Guiness just for heck of it. I'd like to know I do not have any heartworms just in case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 bG, Colloidal silver will not work for heart worms... CS kills only single celled organisms and I believe these parasites are multi-cellular. What will probably work is low dose MMS... perhaps only one drop then activated with a food acid such as lemon juice or citric acid. I have read that MMS can cause hemolytic anemia in large doses, so I'd be careful to use a very dilute form. Bob Re: Heartworms > good question, DS > > the current can be sent into the heart pretty easily assuming you can > attach electrodes to pulse points in front paws. It will follow the > bloodstream into the heart and back out into the opposite paw. > > Another trick would be to electrify the water dish and provide a metal > standing area for the paws to contact while drinking. > > Colloidal silver in the water could also be tried, but not sure how that > could work. > > Possibly a combination of the meds and the electrical devices could work > to be rid of them altogether.? > bG > > >> >> I have a dog I have rescued, that has been diagnosed with heartworms. >> The vet is providing medicine to be put on his skin. Will electricity >> kill these worms? They will kill him eventually. The traditional meds >> take 6 months to a year. Sometimes two years... >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > FAQ (frequently asked questions)Please check the following before asking > questions that have already been answered. Our recorded answers are > likely to be better. > > HOW-T0 in PHOTOS menu group webpage. > SPECIFIC methods and TEST RESULTS in FILES menu group webpage > > At this point, our experiment is not a treatment substitute, so do not > abandon your normal medical care, or fail to seek competent medical > treatment from licensed practitioners. We are completely non-commercial. > By joining this group you agree to hold this group, including the > moderator, harmless for real or apparent mishaps or any damages stemming > from application (or misapplication) of the information. Results 8 years > of people using this are in our menu/files section. No serious side > effects have yet been reported, worst being mildly irriated skin from > overuse. But please use the information at your own risk. Our designs > aren't FDA approved or UL listed. TENS units delivering higher voltages > than our designs could ever deliver are already approved by FDA. > Best of luck, Baby_grand (bob luhrs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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