Re: Blood clotting with electricity

[Guest guest]

Use of the NEGATIVE electrode over a clot, dissolves clots,

that is, it liquefies them, especially in milliamp current ranges.

The clotting agent is no longer present and so it does not re-clot.

Clotting is possible under the POSITIVE electrode in the right

conditions. In a blood supply not moving enough, this is possible.

That is one reason for reversing polarity.

There is a greater tendency to do clot busting with the negative

electrode, than clot making, with the positive electrode.

This is why most people do not have a clotting issue with a reversing

polarity system.

This is also why one does not use microcurrent on a freshly operated

upon area, at least not at the higher levels.

If you closely watch Microcurrent healing a wound, you will note

a clear liquid, NOT clotting blood. This is the first stages of new tissue.

Microcurrent's main reason for healing is because of ATP production,

where the mitochondria are stimulated to produce More ATP

than usual. There is of course the germ killing ability but the big

player in wound healing is ATP production.

ATP production increases starting at 20 microamps and peaks

at about 650 microamps. It drops off over 1 milliamp or 1000

microamps.

Taking great care to reverse polarity in very important and

is the primary reason I use automatic polarity reversal timers.

Unless you have targeted a clot to make liquid, using the negative

electrode, which it will remain once so treated, because the clotting

factors are no longer active unless it is an active, fresh wound,

you should always reverse polarity.

Further, it is best to apply equal time for each polarity.

You may see clot busting using this method if you have a lab

rat.

In link

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/C/Clotting.html

Inserting here:

" When blood vessels are damaged, fibrils of collagen are exposed.

a.. von Willebrand factor links the collagen to platelets forming a plug

of platelets there.

b.. The bound platelets release ADP and thromboxane A2 which recruit and

activate still more platelets circulating in the blood.

c.. (This role of thromboxane accounts for the beneficial effect of low

doses of aspirin - a cyclooxygenase inhibitor - in avoiding heart attacks.)

"

d..

End inserting.

ADP is what is left of the cell fuel ATP (the T stands for Tri

and the D stands for DI) in the fuel cycle, when we have the

mitochondria uptake sucrose, in the process ATP is made by

picking up a component and adding that component to ADP.

So, the ADP to ATP conversion is quick and when energy is

taken off the ATP, it becomes ADP and the process loops over and over.

So, forcing ATP production with microcurrent uses up ADP.

Viewing the linked site, you can figure the rest out.

Mike

Blood clotting with electricity

> recently a person using godzilla had some serious blood clots

> develop, was hospitalized, and is now on blood thinning meds.

>

> this does not mean the device caused it. it means we should be wary

> of it. electricity tends to speed wound-healing, and part of this is

> probably the mild increasing of clotting ability.

>

> I will warn those who are susceptible to clots (and certainly not

> everyone is) to go easy and not overdo your researches here. I have

> no idea if the Beck 4 hertz device is any less of a stimulus to

> clotting. There is research now about a tiny wire used in the brain

> to clot hemorrages that would kill the person. electricity is used

> in this wire and it does speed clot-formation, so it therapeutic in

> that context.

>

> I know this may scare. It's not likely to be widespread, serious or

> anything like that, but it could be something we need to watch and to

> document.

>

> Has anyone out there been put on thinning meds for clotting, or had

> clots in connection with using the godzilla device, especially as a

> blood-electrification technique? Please post if so.

>

> tnx,

> bG

[Guest guest]

Maybe it would be wise to use aspirin when using the Godzilla as a preventative?

blessings, deb

Blood clotting with electricity

recently a person using godzilla had some serious blood clots

develop, was hospitalized, and is now on blood thinning meds.

[Guest guest]

I am so glad you posted this message...thank you. I have the Factor

Five Lieden Mutation, which is a problem with clotting. It was

inherited from my father's side of the family. I only have one copy,

thank the Lord, but that is scary enough. I didn't know I had it

until a few months ago when a member of my family called and told me

it might behoove me to have my blood tested and indeed, it turned out

to be positive. Since then my brother had the test and he too has it.

I've had a small zapper and the one that runs on the computer but

have not used either of them yet...now I doubt that I will. Thank you

again for your post.

>

> recently a person using godzilla had some serious blood clots

> develop, was hospitalized, and is now on blood thinning meds.

>

> this does not mean the device caused it. it means we should be

wary

> of it. electricity tends to speed wound-healing, and part of this

is

> probably the mild increasing of clotting ability.

>

> I will warn those who are susceptible to clots (and certainly not

> everyone is) to go easy and not overdo your researches here. I

have

> no idea if the Beck 4 hertz device is any less of a stimulus to

> clotting. There is research now about a tiny wire used in the

brain

> to clot hemorrages that would kill the person. electricity is used

> in this wire and it does speed clot-formation, so it therapeutic in

> that context.

>

> I know this may scare. It's not likely to be widespread, serious or

> anything like that, but it could be something we need to watch and

to

> document.

>

> Has anyone out there been put on thinning meds for clotting, or had

> clots in connection with using the godzilla device, especially as a

> blood-electrification technique? Please post if so.

>

> tnx,

> bG

>

[Guest guest]

bG:

I had an incident that I don't know if related to this. 2 weeks ago, I

tried using a 4.5V battery and placed one sticky electrode on each of

my 2 wrists over the arteries. I did that for about 20 to 30 minutes

before switching the polarity for another 20 to 30 minutes. (That was

my 2nd try with the DC approach.) I did that for 2 days in a row.

Shortly after that (like within a day), I suddenly had " dizzy spells "

that comes for a minute or so before going away. The dizzy spells can

happen even when I was sleeping. In fact, the first night it happened,

the dizzy spells was so severe that I was awaken and can felt

everything turning for several times that night. The next morning, I

felt sick and wanted to throw up (but I didn't). The dizzy spell was

triggered when I turned my body during sleep. During the day time, it

would come and go, and usually when I bent down to pick up something.

The dizzy spell lasted about 10 to 14 days, and is now gradually

disappearing (but till now is still not completely gone). During that

time, I stopped all experimentation which including colloidal silver,

and the Beck protocol. After I got better, I resumed the Beck

protocol, but never tried the DC approach again.

I do not know the source of my dizzy spell. At one point, I suspected

the fruit I was eating, or even the silver rod that I used in my

colloidal silver (might have heavy metal impurities inside). However,

your mentioning of a blood clot really rings a bell here because I

know the symptom I experienced (feeling sick and dizziness) can be

caused by a lack of blood to the brain. (e.g. If one is anemic, one

experience dizziness when standing up from a squatting position, or

after a epileptic seizure, one wants to throw up, etc) So you might

have solved this mystery for me. And if that is the case, then there

is a real danger in using DC (at least for over a few minutes). As far

as I can see, the Beck protocol on the other hand did not cause any

bad side effects even after continue daily use of over 2 months. May

be I should just stick to the Beck protocol.

I think this is a serious matter. If anyone else experienced anything

like I did, please post them here. I really want to know.

>

> recently a person using godzilla had some serious blood clots

> develop, was hospitalized, and is now on blood thinning meds.

>

> this does not mean the device caused it. it means we should be wary

> of it. electricity tends to speed wound-healing, and part of this is

> probably the mild increasing of clotting ability.

>

> I will warn those who are susceptible to clots (and certainly not

> everyone is) to go easy and not overdo your researches here. I have

> no idea if the Beck 4 hertz device is any less of a stimulus to

> clotting. There is research now about a tiny wire used in the brain

> to clot hemorrages that would kill the person. electricity is used

> in this wire and it does speed clot-formation, so it therapeutic in

> that context.

>

> I know this may scare. It's not likely to be widespread, serious or

> anything like that, but it could be something we need to watch and to

> document.

>

> Has anyone out there been put on thinning meds for clotting, or had

> clots in connection with using the godzilla device, especially as a

> blood-electrification technique? Please post if so.

>

> tnx,

> bG

>

[Guest guest]

Hallo Mike,

Thanks for your helpful note.

Do you have advice on good numbers to use for the polarity reversal time min and

max

intervals?

Are there any indicators that I could observe in myself that would tell me to

avoid this type of

protocol? I'm thinking: what would tell me that I have fresh wounds inside

myself? Or a

tendency towards that? I suppose a tendency to bruise easily or having thin

easily wounded

skin? Varicose veins? Ulcers? Parasites?

OK,

Tony M

On 5 Dec 2007 at 4:10, Mike wrote about :

Subject : Re: Blood clotting wit

> Use of the NEGATIVE electrode over a clot, dissolves clots,

> that is, it liquefies them, especially in milliamp current ranges.

> The clotting agent is no longer present and so it does not re-clot.

>

> Clotting is possible under the POSITIVE electrode in the right

> conditions. In a blood supply not moving enough, this is possible.

> That is one reason for reversing polarity.

<big snip>

[Guest guest]

Recently I received a private email from Deb informing me of a

condition called Vertigo (which is a " disorder " in the inner ear

balancing mechanism) that can explain my experience. However, as I

told her, by calling it Vertigo does not really explain why my

condition suddenly appeared. Then I got to think more about it, and

realize that we might discover something that is significant.

I remembered that before my mother passed away, she too experienced

dizziness and was again told by her doctor that she had Vertigo.

However, thinking about it now, I realize that the " cause " of her

dizziness was because her brain at that time was starving of oxygen

due to her lack of red blood cells in her blood. (That condition was

revealed by a blood test.) Adding my recent experience and some others

that I witnessed in the past, I begin to see the possibility that what

commonly referred to as Vertigo could be a " sign " of lack of oxygen in

the brain, and NOT some malfunction of the inner ear balancing

mechanism. In order to provide more clues to this, I need to know the

following.

1. The person whom bG reported as having blood clots, how did he

discovered his condition?

2. To anyone else who have Vertigo or dizziness in the past or

currently, did you find any blood clots, or any other possible reason

why your brain may be starving of oxygen?

3. Did anyone else experienced dizziness after using the godzilla?

If I am right, then this is truly another unexpected discovery that

can help a lot of people.

As to the use of the godzilla, may be we need more feedbacks from

users in order to develop some safety guidelines. Can anyone provide

more research data on the use of such a device? (Can Mike provide more

info? He seems to be very knowledgeable in this area.)

> >

> > recently a person using godzilla had some serious blood clots

> > develop, was hospitalized, and is now on blood thinning meds.

> >

> > this does not mean the device caused it. it means we should be wary

> > of it. electricity tends to speed wound-healing, and part of this is

> > probably the mild increasing of clotting ability.

> >

> > I will warn those who are susceptible to clots (and certainly not

> > everyone is) to go easy and not overdo your researches here. I have

> > no idea if the Beck 4 hertz device is any less of a stimulus to

> > clotting. There is research now about a tiny wire used in the brain

> > to clot hemorrages that would kill the person. electricity is used

> > in this wire and it does speed clot-formation, so it therapeutic in

> > that context.

> >

> > I know this may scare. It's not likely to be widespread, serious or

> > anything like that, but it could be something we need to watch and to

> > document.

> >

> > Has anyone out there been put on thinning meds for clotting, or had

> > clots in connection with using the godzilla device, especially as a

> > blood-electrification technique? Please post if so.

> >

> > tnx,

> > bG

> >

>

[Guest guest]

--- In order to provide more clues to this, I need to know the

> following.

>

> 1. The person whom bG reported as having blood clots, how did he

> discovered his condition?

Was severely energy depleted, exhausted to faint. Works in a

hospital so got an exam, then admitted for several days' treatment.

This was serious, life-threatening situation.

Little is recalled about how much the godzilla was used prior. It

might have been used prior at night and they fell asleep with it on

their leg, trying to reduce osteomyelitis, which it actually did. It

removed it fully at that time. So a certain level of current would

have been needed to do that job.

Reversing direction might/might not matter as far as clots go. It

might be that you simply can't use a lot of current like that all at

once in one shot with no period of adjustment for the body.

I don't know a lot about this, obviously. Rather than investing in

reversing devices, get a simple timer and wire it into yours so that

you don't run it forever.

Sponges are now being use instead of the older " cloth " . Cloth was

not as good a conductor, but it dried out where sponges stay wet much

much longer. So that safety factor in cloth has been lost.

bG

[Guest guest]

Hello Tony,

About the polarity reversal, for typical usage 5 minutes

is a good maximum time unless you are working with pico amp

systems, then ~ 11.35 minutes, but that is a special case.

There are about 20 users on this board using that special case, so staying

with 5 minutes is fine for average usage.

The minimum time or " fast pulse rate " is something more of an issue.

I don't agree with the reasons Beck selected the frequency of ~4 Hz, simply

because it was half of the Schuman cavity frequency (the resonant distance

between Earth and the ionosphere in which lightning pulses ring on a global

scale, typical 7.8 Hz. over the last many decades).

Though it's a natural part of the Earth's natural electrical noise averaging

~ 8 million pulses a day, there is, nor ever was, a good logical reason

for this selection based on the cavity.

No lack of respect intended, he was a good man, just not always logical in

all arenas.

We now know taking medicine is not effected by electricity sessions, no

adverse events ever reported here of any basis, for example. Grapefruit,

yes, electricity, no.

The central issue of minimum pulse or reversal time is the faster you go,

the less time to charge the tissue fully and for those interested in blood

zapping, the charge is removed nearly as fast as you put it on.

Overall, likely the best is the 30 second auto reversing unit V puts out

there. Your bets are covered that way.

There was a report recently of dizzy effects noticed a day after 20 or 30

minute non-switching polarity but it did not sound like clotting issues to

me. First, clotting would be noticed a lot sooner,

second the supply was 4.5 volts wrist to wrist on small stick on electrodes.

That means the current would be so low, well, I just don't see it.

Sounded more like an inner ear issue to me, that lasted ~ 2 weeks. Though it

would have been a good idea to reverse more often.

If you keep the current levels down to sensible ones, you should be O.K..

Body is a smart machine, knows what to do.

About ulcers and parasites, well, stay away from the tax collector, they all

three seem to go together!

Really, microelectricity is a friendly force and when used with polarity

reversing and common sense, there are tens of thousands of hours

using it and very rare, if any, confirmed problems.

There is more risk crossing a street.

Be Well,

Mike

Re: Blood clotting with electricity

> Hallo Mike,

>

> Thanks for your helpful note.

>

> Do you have advice on good numbers to use for the polarity reversal time

> min and max

> intervals?

>

> Are there any indicators that I could observe in myself that would tell me

> to avoid this type of

> protocol? I'm thinking: what would tell me that I have fresh wounds inside

> myself? Or a

> tendency towards that? I suppose a tendency to bruise easily or having

> thin easily wounded

> skin? Varicose veins? Ulcers? Parasites?

>

> OK,

> Tony M

>

>

> On 5 Dec 2007 at 4:10, Mike wrote about :

> Subject : Re: Blood clotting wit

>

>> Use of the NEGATIVE electrode over a clot, dissolves clots,

>> that is, it liquefies them, especially in milliamp current ranges.

>> The clotting agent is no longer present and so it does not re-clot.

>>

>> Clotting is possible under the POSITIVE electrode in the right

>> conditions. In a blood supply not moving enough, this is possible.

>> That is one reason for reversing polarity.

> <big snip>

[Guest guest]

,

As I mentioned when I replied to Tony Late Thursday night

and into early Friday with first a direct email and then today in

a group email, I indicated that I thought you had an inner ear problem.

Let me gather some logical reasons for this:

First, you were using 4.5 volts and tiny stick on electrodes. I use

wide area, as in many, many square inches when treating and more

current & voltage for clot busting, which is easier than clot making.

It looks to me that your system lacks the power to do any harm as

you described you thought it had. Not reversing polarity for that

long, well really you should have read up on this important item

but you now know.

But even then, I don't think you had enough power to clot up, not

even a bit. With the wrist to wrist resistance being high, plus the

small size of the stick on electrodes, plus only 4.5 volts, plus

usually with stick on electrodes no water is used, you are

talking a really tiny current there.

You made references that whenever you moved or twisted, you

got dizzy, as well as sudden moves.

That all strongly points to inner ear problems.

Also the time delay of a day after using the electricity, that

is a long time for a clot to get noticed. Clots are not usually

sensitive to head or twisting motion, even 2 weeks?

No, I really think inner ear and then, in trying to reason out what

was happening, some anxiety feeding into the situation.

Adding this together with that need to know we all have, you

rationalized it was the microcurrent.

Regards,

Mike

Re: Blood clotting with electricity

> Recently I received a private email from Deb informing me of a

> condition called Vertigo (which is a " disorder " in the inner ear

> balancing mechanism) that can explain my experience. However, as I

> told her, by calling it Vertigo does not really explain why my

> condition suddenly appeared. Then I got to think more about it, and

> realize that we might discover something that is significant.

>

> I remembered that before my mother passed away, she too experienced

> dizziness and was again told by her doctor that she had Vertigo.

> However, thinking about it now, I realize that the " cause " of her

> dizziness was because her brain at that time was starving of oxygen

> due to her lack of red blood cells in her blood. (That condition was

> revealed by a blood test.) Adding my recent experience and some others

> that I witnessed in the past, I begin to see the possibility that what

> commonly referred to as Vertigo could be a " sign " of lack of oxygen in

> the brain, and NOT some malfunction of the inner ear balancing

> mechanism. In order to provide more clues to this, I need to know the

> following.

>

> 1. The person whom bG reported as having blood clots, how did he

> discovered his condition?

> 2. To anyone else who have Vertigo or dizziness in the past or

> currently, did you find any blood clots, or any other possible reason

> why your brain may be starving of oxygen?

> 3. Did anyone else experienced dizziness after using the godzilla?

>

> If I am right, then this is truly another unexpected discovery that

> can help a lot of people.

>

> As to the use of the godzilla, may be we need more feedbacks from

> users in order to develop some safety guidelines. Can anyone provide

> more research data on the use of such a device? (Can Mike provide more

> info? He seems to be very knowledgeable in this area.)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> bG:

>>

>> I had an incident that I don't know if related to this. 2 weeks ago, I

>> tried using a 4.5V battery and placed one sticky electrode on each of

>> my 2 wrists over the arteries. I did that for about 20 to 30 minutes

>> before switching the polarity for another 20 to 30 minutes. (That was

>> my 2nd try with the DC approach.) I did that for 2 days in a row.

>> Shortly after that (like within a day), I suddenly had " dizzy spells "

>> that comes for a minute or so before going away. The dizzy spells can

>> happen even when I was sleeping. In fact, the first night it happened,

>> the dizzy spells was so severe that I was awaken and can felt

>> everything turning for several times that night. The next morning, I

>> felt sick and wanted to throw up (but I didn't). The dizzy spell was

>> triggered when I turned my body during sleep. During the day time, it

>> would come and go, and usually when I bent down to pick up something.

>> The dizzy spell lasted about 10 to 14 days, and is now gradually

>> disappearing (but till now is still not completely gone). During that

>> time, I stopped all experimentation which including colloidal silver,

>> and the Beck protocol. After I got better, I resumed the Beck

>> protocol, but never tried the DC approach again.

>>

>> I do not know the source of my dizzy spell. At one point, I suspected

>> the fruit I was eating, or even the silver rod that I used in my

>> colloidal silver (might have heavy metal impurities inside). However,

>> your mentioning of a blood clot really rings a bell here because I

>> know the symptom I experienced (feeling sick and dizziness) can be

>> caused by a lack of blood to the brain. (e.g. If one is anemic, one

>> experience dizziness when standing up from a squatting position, or

>> after a epileptic seizure, one wants to throw up, etc) So you might

>> have solved this mystery for me. And if that is the case, then there

>> is a real danger in using DC (at least for over a few minutes). As far

>> as I can see, the Beck protocol on the other hand did not cause any

>> bad side effects even after continue daily use of over 2 months. May

>> be I should just stick to the Beck protocol.

>>

>> I think this is a serious matter. If anyone else experienced anything

>> like I did, please post them here. I really want to know.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

About 7 years ago I had your exact symptoms. I awoke in bed one night

dizzy and turned (mistake). I found that I had to lower myself on my

back to avoid being dizzy and not turn. That pretty much kept me from

becoming dizzy. Also I found that you didn't look up a airplanes

either. After about 5 days or so it went away never to return. This

was before the Godzilla days and I don't remember using the Beck

device back then either but it might be possible. I had talked to

people with similar symptoms (theirs lasted much longer).

As for cell oxygenation look at omega 6/omega 3 balance (Essential

Fatty Acids) and Google Professor Peskin.

> > >

> > > recently a person using godzilla had some serious blood clots

> > > develop, was hospitalized, and is now on blood thinning meds.

> > >

> > > this does not mean the device caused it. it means we should be

wary

> > > of it. electricity tends to speed wound-healing, and part of

this is

> > > probably the mild increasing of clotting ability.

> > >

> > > I will warn those who are susceptible to clots (and certainly not

> > > everyone is) to go easy and not overdo your researches here. I

have

> > > no idea if the Beck 4 hertz device is any less of a stimulus to

> > > clotting. There is research now about a tiny wire used in the

brain

> > > to clot hemorrages that would kill the person. electricity is used

> > > in this wire and it does speed clot-formation, so it therapeutic in

> > > that context.

> > >

> > > I know this may scare. It's not likely to be widespread, serious or

> > > anything like that, but it could be something we need to watch

and to

> > > document.

> > >

> > > Has anyone out there been put on thinning meds for clotting, or had

> > > clots in connection with using the godzilla device, especially as a

> > > blood-electrification technique? Please post if so.

> > >

> > > tnx,

> > > bG

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BG,

So further questions, considering the time of year,

very low humidity and dry heating systems, I have had

de-hydration in the past and never saw it coming.

Energy depleted, exhausted, bad sleep, not thinking right,

not noticing room mate, a heat freak at the time, always

turning up electric heat, forced air driven. Humidity unit

in ducts not working.

All I know was I was " broken " when they hauled me into

the hospital, hung IV drip and I got better really fast.

Couple of days later I was fine and re-hydrated.

The first thing I did was fix that humidity killing

system, the second was give the room mate the option

of use more blankets and back off the electric heat setting.

In those conditions, you don't see low body water sneaking up

as day after day you loose more.

Then blood is getting thick, body not working right, even

filter systems not working right.

Just something to think about, how many of us monitor

the dryness of our air or count the liquid we give up to

dry air? At that point, I never thought about it, now I watch it.

Been there, done that.

Mike

Re: Blood clotting with electricity

> --- In order to provide more clues to this, I need to know the

>> following.

>>

>> 1. The person whom bG reported as having blood clots, how did he

>> discovered his condition?

>

> Was severely energy depleted, exhausted to faint. Works in a

> hospital so got an exam, then admitted for several days' treatment.

> This was serious, life-threatening situation.

>

> Little is recalled about how much the godzilla was used prior. It

> might have been used prior at night and they fell asleep with it on

> their leg, trying to reduce osteomyelitis, which it actually did. It

> removed it fully at that time. So a certain level of current would

> have been needed to do that job.

>

> Reversing direction might/might not matter as far as clots go. It

> might be that you simply can't use a lot of current like that all at

> once in one shot with no period of adjustment for the body.

>

> I don't know a lot about this, obviously. Rather than investing in

> reversing devices, get a simple timer and wire it into yours so that

> you don't run it forever.

>

> Sponges are now being use instead of the older " cloth " . Cloth was

> not as good a conductor, but it dried out where sponges stay wet much

> much longer. So that safety factor in cloth has been lost.

>

> bG