Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 In a message dated 11/13/00 6:57:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, cking001@... writes: << Perhaps a poll of Beck users would shed some lite >> I used mine for four months and I didn't experience any weight loss. Dotsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 I tried coffee and smoked some cannabis(pot) and there was no side effects whatsoever, I have avoided wine as it has helped the candida too much and I pretty well have abstained from caffeine xcept a few times, I have taken some vitamins and nothing happened either, so I don't find for me electroporation to be an issue.... > From: DotsieBoo@... > Reply-egroups > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:04:04 EST > egroups > Subject: electroporation > > In a message dated 11/12/00 6:57:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, > frankford@... writes: > > << If electroporification truely exists, wouldn't there be a HUGE market > for using these devices for the enhancement of recreational drug > use? >> > > It's funny that you should mention that because when I was first doing the > protocol, my husband and I would joke about needing only one cup of coffee > and the potential effect of having only one drink. I never had the nerve to > stray from the rules. I would like to get to the truth by taking a survey of > the list. Please tell us what you took while using the 4hz that was > forbidden and what reactions you had. I realize that not everyone is the > same but at least we can come to a general conclusion. Is it an > exaggeration? Jazzbeau, Chuck, ? > Dotsie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 Careful about " getting to the truth " Dotsie. I'm in the " big guy " class, so my experience with most things is " I need more, to notice. " A few meds taught me that that's not ALWAYS true though. So I usually suggest to start small and work up if you have reason to be cautious. I KNOW that Beck device electroportation has no bearing on MY present lifestyle though. Chuck I joined a health club last year, spent about 400 bucks. Haven't lost a pound. Apparently you have to show up. On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:04:04 EST, DotsieBoo@... wrote: > I would like to get to the truth by taking a survey of >the list. Please tell us what you took while using the 4hz that was >forbidden and what reactions you had. I realize that not everyone is the >same but at least we can come to a general conclusion. Is it an >exaggeration? Jazzbeau, Chuck, ? >Dotsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 Dotsie -> I haven't used a Beck Device yet, so I don't know? But, on paper & in theory, I would say the current is way to small to truely cause electroporation? Speaking of weight loss Chuck, has anyone heard of anyone other than Beck losing weight after using these devices? I haven't, that's why I was wondering. --------------- > Chuck > I joined a health club last year, spent about 400 bucks. > Haven't lost a pound. > Apparently you have to show up. > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:04:04 EST, DotsieBoo@a... wrote: > > > I would like to get to the truth by taking a survey of > >the list. Please tell us what you took while using the 4hz that was > >forbidden and what reactions you had. I realize that not everyone is the > >same but at least we can come to a general conclusion. Is it an > >exaggeration? Jazzbeau, Chuck, ? > >Dotsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 It's my understanding that the weight loss that Bob Beck sustained durring his " testing " period may have been due to his also fasting at that time. I dunno if the protocol or Beck device would do it or not. Perhaps a poll of Beck users would shed some lite (pun intended). It didn't do anything for me, but that's just me.... Chuck And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, for if you hit a man with a ploughshare, he'll know he's been hit! On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:32:08 -0000, " " <frankford@...> wrote: >Speaking of weight loss Chuck, has anyone heard of anyone other than >Beck losing weight after using these devices? I haven't, that's why >I was wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2000 Report Share Posted November 30, 2000 In a message dated 11/30/00 9:12:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, jazzbeau@... writes: << there is no electroporification and I can say that having done 95 hrs of BE and having tried doing some of those substances. >> Hi Dean, Thanks for that information. I'm sure that the risk of electroporation stops many people from doing the BE because they don't want to chance it. After 95 hours, have you noticed any improvements? Dotsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2000 Report Share Posted November 30, 2000 In my findings there is no electroporification at 4hz period, and it is a good idea to clean up your act when doing BE and refrain from say coffee and alcohol etc. but if you don't there is no electroporification and I can say that having done 95 hrs of BE and having tried doing some of those substances. Dean. > From: DotsieBoo@... > Reply-egroups > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:43:26 EST > egroups > Subject: Electroporation > > > What is the evidence that the high-absorption effect is not electroporation? > Austin, Technical Support Manager at Genetronics (an electroporation > device company), emailed me concerning the Black Box that " with the > (electrical) conditions used, there should be no electroporation effects. > Field strengths are not high enough. " J. C. Weaver of the Massacheusetts > Institute of Technology in his report on electroporation published in the > Journal of Cellular Biochemistry (51:426-435 1993) reported " In the case of > isolated cells, mammalian cells experience electroporation for electric > fields of about E=1kv/cm (1000 volts with a distance of 1 centimeter between > electrodes) for short pulses. " The Black Box produces about 1.35 volts per > centimeter when the electrodes are placed on the same wrist. Another > electroporation device manufacturer, Cyto Pulse Sciences, stated on their > website (in the equipment tutorial) that red blood cells need 1430 volts per > centimeter for electroporation. To go to the Cyto Pulse web site click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2000 Report Share Posted November 30, 2000 Dotsie, oh yes, I am buoyed with my improvements and at 90 hrs just began magnetic pulsing and have been drinking Colloidal Silver as well. I realize with something like Systemic Candida I may have to go way beyond 90 hrs but I am happy to do so because I see the protocol is working and in the past I've gotten this far (w/o doing the BE and pulsing) and realize the battle has really only just begun. I presently feel that I'm further along this time and I'm encouraged to continue, I've got the kind of reinforcements that can take this to a new level. Beating this? I'm smarter now and might be happy for a stand off but maybe I can beat it but probabily will have to do BE on at least a maitenance level forever....Dean > From: DotsieBoo@... > Reply-egroups > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:36:07 EST > egroups > Subject: Re: Electroporation > > In a message dated 11/30/00 9:12:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jazzbeau@... writes: > > << there is no electroporification and I can say > that having done 95 hrs of BE and having tried doing some of those > substances. >> > > Hi Dean, > Thanks for that information. I'm sure that the risk of electroporation stops > many people from doing the BE because they don't want to chance it. After 95 > hours, have you noticed any improvements? > Dotsie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 For most of you doing the Beck protocols electroporation is a non issue. I do talk about electroportion on the Video or DVD from Sota. I think Russ did a great Job on the editing and the tape is very factual. It can help a lot and I suggest that you refer to the tapes often for clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the blood. I'msure these HIV users were on some serious medications.   Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs andvitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and vitamins. I'mperfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an effective methodso I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take herbs at the sametime.Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, like herbs and natural vitamins?   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Hi, I have been using the Beck protocol for 3 years now, pulser, silver, mag and also take vitamins & herbs daily. Never had any side effects whatsoever and feel fantastic. Good health. RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 RB,   Are you taking the vitamins and herbs while using the blood electrifier at the sametime ordo you take them before using it?   The people on the net, say take them after using the bloodelectrifier.    Does it matter?   What happens if I took a multivitamin 10 mintues before I used the blood electrifier?  What happens if I take the multivitamin 10 minutes after I have been using the electrifier for 1 hr? What happens if I take the multivitamin or herb while the blood electrifier is on, and I am using it simultaneously? I've been trying to see if there were any deaths related to this, but can't find anyon the web.   I'm assuming it must be safe or am I just too overly cautious?? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:01 AM, mail <probeoy@...> wrote:  Hi, I have been using the Beck protocol for 3 years now, pulser, silver, mag and also take vitamins & herbs daily. Never had any side effects whatsoever and feel fantastic. Good health. RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 We do not worry about electroporation and natural herbs and vitamins. The only concern is a potential multiplying of the potency of a drug or other toxic substance that may be hazardous should that drug or other toxic substance get multiplied in the body, if it is subject to electroporation. In the 15 years doing this, we have not had any cases of death or drug overdose by using the protocol, reported to us, or that we know of. If you are on drugs, check with your doctor about potential higher dosages. Our stance is do not mix Beck Protocol with drugs as we do not know the effects and we are not doctors. > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have been using the Beck protocol for 3 years now, pulser, silver, mag > > and also take vitamins & herbs daily. Never had any side effects whatsoever > > and feel fantastic. > > > > Good health. > > > > RB > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 How can you be sure of this? I have a case on file of a man taking chemo for Hep-C at same time heavily electrifying blood and got a full remission in 30 days. It could have been the drugs alone, since one in 4 will get full remission, or the electricity or both. I don't know, but we never saw any adverse reactions. When you are on meds, usually they suppress the germ to some extent. Stopping meds can introduce resistant germs then the meds no longer work should you have to go back to them. I am not saying I know best here, but if A kills germs and B kills germs and assuming the germ is lethal and A and B are not, then A and B would be a sensible combination to use against the germ. The toxins from drugs can be horrible, but the germs are no bargain, either. Till we find a repeatable solid solution, there's no sense throwing out what partially works from either side. bG > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > blood. I'm > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > and > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > vitamins. I'm > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > effective method > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > herbs at the sametime. > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > like herbs and natural > vitamins? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Further, of the people who " asked their doctor " not one doctor advised against using the electricity with the meds due to interraction. One said to stop it because he thought using it was wasting the patient's time. The attitude I usually hear is: " You may stand on your head and bow 3 times to Chicago for all I care...so long as you take your meds as prescribed " . bG > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > blood. I'm > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > and > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > vitamins. I'm > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > effective method > > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > like herbs and natural > > vitamins? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 I now take them before zapping. Prior I took them after zapping and made no difference whatsoever. As far as I am concerned it's safe. Further, we treated a family member overseas who suffered stage 4 intestine cancer and was on heavy medication. Because doctors refused to take her off the meds we went ahead with the Beck protocol and there were no side effects whatsoever, in fact, her recovery was just amazing. Best wishes, RB Hi,I have been using the Beck protocol for 3 years now, pulser, silver, mag and also take vitamins & herbs daily. Never had any side effects whatsoever and feel fantastic.Good health.RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Go slow and be careful! This is difficult to say to someone with a deadly disease, and I understand your fears, however, I have found my first case of zapping causing a problem with other drugs and fortunately it was me so I have all of the data and research to back it up. I was zapping while doing allergy shots with Singulair and I broke out into hives all over my body. I have been off Singulair and allergy shots for 4 weeks now and I still have daily eczema/hives all over my body. I can have minimal hives for days, but 4-6 hours after zapping my entire body will be one giant hive. I believe it is from the liver becoming overloaded with the die-off from zapping as the liver controls most allergies. This is not meant to scare anybody, but we must all enter these alternative protocols with our eyes wide open. There can be issues and we must pay much closer attention to what is happening in our own bodies while we experiment. Remember, we are all experimenters here and no body knows for certain what is going on. Every body is different and so too will your reactions be. However, please understand that I am the " Canary in the coal mine " and I usually get every side-effect from a medicine. My allergist has worked with over 10,000 patients and was rather baffled by my reaction. I usually use my zapper for 1-8 hours at a time and this is far longer than normal or recommended. But, prior to this I never had any issues with vitamins, herbs, drugs, etc. and I have been using a zapper for over 3 years now. This is a unique situation and the first documented case I have ever encountered with electroporation. Cheers,BradOn Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote:  ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Brad - 4-6 hrs of zapping? wow, is that even possible? I zap for 2 hrs and my wrist startsitching and I have red marks.  You must be a master zapper!  I broke out in hives early this year as well from using Tea Tree Oil. I've used it before many times on small little areas without problems, but ended using it to treat a bacteria infection I caught fromcosta rica over a large area of my back and arms. I had to go to the ER! First timeallergic reaction.  Hives are terrible! All over my body.... terrible.   You don't know itch until you got hives.On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...> wrote:  Go slow and be careful! This is difficult to say to someone with a deadly disease, and I understand your fears, however, I have found my first case of zapping causing a problem with other drugs and fortunately it was me so I have all of the data and research to back it up. I was zapping while doing allergy shots with Singulair and I broke out into hives all over my body. I have been off Singulair and allergy shots for 4 weeks now and I still have daily eczema/hives all over my body. I can have minimal hives for days, but 4-6 hours after zapping my entire body will be one giant hive. I believe it is from the liver becoming overloaded with the die-off from zapping as the liver controls most allergies. This is not meant to scare anybody, but we must all enter these alternative protocols with our eyes wide open. There can be issues and we must pay much closer attention to what is happening in our own bodies while we experiment. Remember, we are all experimenters here and no body knows for certain what is going on. Every body is different and so too will your reactions be. However, please understand that I am the " Canary in the coal mine " and I usually get every side-effect from a medicine. My allergist has worked with over 10,000 patients and was rather baffled by my reaction. I usually use my zapper for 1-8 hours at a time and this is far longer than normal or recommended. But, prior to this I never had any issues with vitamins, herbs, drugs, etc. and I have been using a zapper for over 3 years now. This is a unique situation and the first documented case I have ever encountered with electroporation. Cheers,BradOn Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote:  ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Thanks for the Report Brad, This is always good to report any Side effect to any Drug or Protocol. As everyone has different body Chemistry, I would think that each person will respond with some form of reaction good or bad. Now Brad since you have been Zappin for 3 years at that long rate (1-8 hours) have you noticed any other Side effect like Hair growth or Color change? Curious as I hate this Gray Hair Crap that comes un-invited! Ron Brad Andersen wrote:  Go slow and be careful! This is difficult to say to someone with a deadly disease, and I understand your fears, however, I have found my first case of zapping causing a problem with other drugs and fortunately it was me so I have all of the data and research to back it up. I was zapping while doing allergy shots with Singulair and I broke out into hives all over my body. I have been off Singulair and allergy shots for 4 weeks now and I still have daily eczema/hives all over my body. I can have minimal hives for days, but 4-6 hours after zapping my entire body will be one giant hive. I believe it is from the liver becoming overloaded with the die-off from zapping as the liver controls most allergies. This is not meant to scare anybody, but we must all enter these alternative protocols with our eyes wide open. There can be issues and we must pay much closer attention to what is happening in our own bodies while we experiment. Remember, we are all experimenters here and no body knows for certain what is going on. Every body is different and so too will your reactions be. However, please understand that I am the "Canary in the coal mine" and I usually get every side-effect from a medicine. My allergist has worked with over 10,000 patients and was rather baffled by my reaction. I usually use my zapper for 1-8 hours at a time and this is far longer than normal or recommended. But, prior to this I never had any issues with vitamins, herbs, drugs, etc. and I have been using a zapper for over 3 years now. This is a unique situation and the first documented case I have ever encountered with electroporation. Cheers, Brad On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Baby_grand <bobluhrsexchange (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote:  ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I"m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 OH do I know Hives! When I was 15 I had an Allergy that was so hard to pin point. I had even been referred to UCLA Medical for advanced testing. After 2500 different Scratch test they GAVE UP! They told me I would have to live with it! OMG, I thought this is the end! I would breakout with hives all over my entire Body. One time I started to break out at School & I walked home 3 miles because my face & hands was so swollen, my eyes almost swelled shut. My Hands and feet were so swollen by the time I got home they almost split. That always started out as an unbelievable, unbearable itch then turn to excruciating pain. I lived this way for 3 years then all of a sudden it was gone! Thank You Lord! Ron Chen wrote:  Brad - 4-6 hrs of zapping? wow, is that even possible? I zap for 2 hrs and my wrist starts itching and I have red marks.  You must be a master zapper!  I broke out in hives early this year as well from using Tea Tree Oil. I've used it before many times on small little areas without problems, but ended using it to treat a bacteria infection I caught from costa rica over a large area of my back and arms. I had to go to the ER! First time allergic reaction.  Hives are terrible! All over my body.... terrible.   You don't know itch until you got hives. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Brad Andersen <bradandersengmail> wrote:  Go slow and be careful! This is difficult to say to someone with a deadly disease, and I understand your fears, however, I have found my first case of zapping causing a problem with other drugs and fortunately it was me so I have all of the data and research to back it up. I was zapping while doing allergy shots with Singulair and I broke out into hives all over my body. I have been off Singulair and allergy shots for 4 weeks now and I still have daily eczema/hives all over my body. I can have minimal hives for days, but 4-6 hours after zapping my entire body will be one giant hive. I believe it is from the liver becoming overloaded with the die-off from zapping as the liver controls most allergies. This is not meant to scare anybody, but we must all enter these alternative protocols with our eyes wide open. There can be issues and we must pay much closer attention to what is happening in our own bodies while we experiment. Remember, we are all experimenters here and no body knows for certain what is going on. Every body is different and so too will your reactions be. However, please understand that I am the "Canary in the coal mine" and I usually get every side-effect from a medicine. My allergist has worked with over 10,000 patients and was rather baffled by my reaction. I usually use my zapper for 1-8 hours at a time and this is far longer than normal or recommended. But, prior to this I never had any issues with vitamins, herbs, drugs, etc. and I have been using a zapper for over 3 years now. This is a unique situation and the first documented case I have ever encountered with electroporation. Cheers, Brad On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Baby_grand <bobluhrsexchange (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote:  ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I"m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Hi, Sorry, no notice on hair growth or hair color change as I shave my head! Rogaine made me very light headed and I'd almost pass out - so I just shaved it all off about 8 years ago. I look much better now so I'm told.  Hours of zapping are doable if you have a clean system, I am a huge fan of liver cleansing (Hulda Method). I get the itchy wrist rash when I am too acidic, so I drink 1/4 tsp of baking soda in water 1-3 times a day. This along with calcium will also help greatly with any non-bacterial areas that require small amounts of tea tree oil. If I get light headed it is because I am too alkaline and I drink a soda. pH strips are always good to have on hand. Cheers,BradOn Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Ron <rw@...> wrote:  OH do I know Hives! When I was 15 I had an Allergy that was so hard to pin point. I had even been referred to UCLA Medical for advanced testing. After 2500 different Scratch test they GAVE UP! They told me I would have to live with it! OMG, I thought this is the end! I would breakout with hives all over my entire Body. One time I started to break out at School & I walked home 3 miles because my face & hands was so swollen, my eyes almost swelled shut. My Hands and feet were so swollen by the time I got home they almost split. That always started out as an unbelievable, unbearable itch then turn to excruciating pain. I lived this way for 3 years then all of a sudden it was gone! Thank You Lord! Ron Chen wrote:  Brad - 4-6 hrs of zapping? wow, is that even possible? I zap for 2 hrs and my wrist starts itching and I have red marks.  You must be a master zapper!  I broke out in hives early this year as well from using Tea Tree Oil. I've used it before many times on small little areas without problems, but ended using it to treat a bacteria infection I caught from costa rica over a large area of my back and arms. I had to go to the ER! First time allergic reaction.  Hives are terrible! All over my body.... terrible.   You don't know itch until you got hives. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...> wrote:  Go slow and be careful! This is difficult to say to someone with a deadly disease, and I understand your fears, however, I have found my first case of zapping causing a problem with other drugs and fortunately it was me so I have all of the data and research to back it up. I was zapping while doing allergy shots with Singulair and I broke out into hives all over my body. I have been off Singulair and allergy shots for 4 weeks now and I still have daily eczema/hives all over my body. I can have minimal hives for days, but 4-6 hours after zapping my entire body will be one giant hive. I believe it is from the liver becoming overloaded with the die-off from zapping as the liver controls most allergies. This is not meant to scare anybody, but we must all enter these alternative protocols with our eyes wide open. There can be issues and we must pay much closer attention to what is happening in our own bodies while we experiment. Remember, we are all experimenters here and no body knows for certain what is going on. Every body is different and so too will your reactions be. However, please understand that I am the " Canary in the coal mine " and I usually get every side-effect from a medicine. My allergist has worked with over 10,000 patients and was rather baffled by my reaction. I usually use my zapper for 1-8 hours at a time and this is far longer than normal or recommended. But, prior to this I never had any issues with vitamins, herbs, drugs, etc. and I have been using a zapper for over 3 years now. This is a unique situation and the first documented case I have ever encountered with electroporation. Cheers, Brad On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote:  ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 not to worry, Brad. the rules keep shifting, always more relaxed, don't solve things that will put you onto the wrong side of history. Just look at what's changed: 1. hair cutting unnecessary, so long as groomed, ah forget it 2. shirts can be worn if faded 3. shirts can be frayed 4. shirts can be torn 5. pants can be all faded, fraye, torn 6. belts, are you serious? 7. shaving is for sissies! hoohah 8. 5 or even 6 o'clock shadow is IN 9. groomed hair is out, clashes with stuble 10. hair now unecessary, bald is fine 11. tattoos are ok, throw in piercings 12. for some reason, whitened teeth keep hanging around.. 13. For some really strange reason, above rules don't seem to apply to Trump what's next I really wanna know what comes next in this series.. bG > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using > >>> electrification of the > >>> > > > blood. I'm > >>> > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV > >>> people? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm > >>> taking herbs > >>> > > > and > >>> > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs > >>> and > >>> > > > vitamins. I'm > >>> > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer > >>> cells as an > >>> > > > effective method > >>> > > > so I " m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it > >>> and take > >>> > > > herbs at the sametime. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is > >>> natural, > >>> > > > like herbs and natural > >>> > > > vitamins? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Thanks Brad, Well I can't Do that! If I shave My head, I will need to start a new Job! Log Splitting! My head comes to a point like a wedge so if I loose my hair, I will be one Funny looking DUDE! Ron On 4/17/2010 9:10 AM, Brad Andersen wrote:  Hi,  Sorry, no notice on hair growth or hair color change as I shave my head! Rogaine made me very light headed and I'd almost pass out - so I just shaved it all off about 8 years ago. I look much better now so I'm told.  Hours of zapping are doable if you have a clean system, I am a huge fan of liver cleansing (Hulda Method). I get the itchy wrist rash when I am too acidic, so I drink 1/4 tsp of baking soda in water 1-3 times a day. This along with calcium will also help greatly with any non-bacterial areas that require small amounts of tea tree oil. If I get light headed it is because I am too alkaline and I drink a soda. pH strips are always good to have on hand. Cheers, Brad On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Ron <rwtotalvue> wrote:  OH do I know Hives! When I was 15 I had an Allergy that was so hard to pin point. I had even been referred to UCLA Medical for advanced testing. After 2500 different Scratch test they GAVE UP! They told me I would have to live with it! OMG, I thought this is the end! I would breakout with hives all over my entire Body. One time I started to break out at School & I walked home 3 miles because my face & hands was so swollen, my eyes almost swelled shut. My Hands and feet were so swollen by the time I got home they almost split. That always started out as an unbelievable, unbearable itch then turn to excruciating pain. I lived this way for 3 years then all of a sudden it was gone! Thank You Lord! Ron Chen wrote:  Brad - 4-6 hrs of zapping? wow, is that even possible? I zap for 2 hrs and my wrist starts itching and I have red marks.  You must be a master zapper!  I broke out in hives early this year as well from using Tea Tree Oil. I've used it before many times on small little areas without problems, but ended using it to treat a bacteria infection I caught from costa rica over a large area of my back and arms. I had to go to the ER! First time allergic reaction.  Hives are terrible! All over my body.... terrible.   You don't know itch until you got hives. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Brad Andersen <bradandersengmail> wrote:  Go slow and be careful! This is difficult to say to someone with a deadly disease, and I understand your fears, however, I have found my first case of zapping causing a problem with other drugs and fortunately it was me so I have all of the data and research to back it up. I was zapping while doing allergy shots with Singulair and I broke out into hives all over my body. I have been off Singulair and allergy shots for 4 weeks now and I still have daily eczema/hives all over my body. I can have minimal hives for days, but 4-6 hours after zapping my entire body will be one giant hive. I believe it is from the liver becoming overloaded with the die-off from zapping as the liver controls most allergies. This is not meant to scare anybody, but we must all enter these alternative protocols with our eyes wide open. There can be issues and we must pay much closer attention to what is happening in our own bodies while we experiment. Remember, we are all experimenters here and no body knows for certain what is going on. Every body is different and so too will your reactions be. However, please understand that I am the "Canary in the coal mine" and I usually get every side-effect from a medicine. My allergist has worked with over 10,000 patients and was rather baffled by my reaction. I usually use my zapper for 1-8 hours at a time and this is far longer than normal or recommended. But, prior to this I never had any issues with vitamins, herbs, drugs, etc. and I have been using a zapper for over 3 years now. This is a unique situation and the first documented case I have ever encountered with electroporation. Cheers, Brad On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Baby_grand <bobluhrsexchange (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote:  ...one more thing, if electricity has unknown effects then it's wise to proceed slowly and carefully, don't just plunge with it. do it before taking the next dose so levels in blood are lowest, never after taking a dose. And overall realize you are into an investigational technique without much proof and very little guidance, so you have to rely on your own intelligence. Once this stuff is widely accepted, rules will have been formed about what interracts and what does not. bG > > > > > > Beck says 2 HIV users died from electroporation using electrification of the > > > blood. I'm > > > sure these HIV users were on some serious medications. > > > > > > Are there any other people that have died from this, non-HIV people? > > > > > > I want to know because I haven't been using his device when I'm taking herbs > > > and > > > vitamins, but I want to use his device and continue to take herbs and > > > vitamins. I'm > > > perfectly healthy, but got an HPV bug that I'm trying to eradicate. > > > > > > I've read research using electroporation to get meds to cancer cells as an > > > effective method > > > so I"m wondering if it is okay for healthy individuals to use it and take > > > herbs at the sametime. > > > > > > Wouldn't this be beneficial if most of the stuff I am taking is natural, > > > like herbs and natural > > > vitamins? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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